1 1 2 3 4 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 5 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 6 RECONVENED MEETING 7 APRIL 23, 2009, 12:43 P.M. 8 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS CENTER 9 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 __________________________________________________ REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR 23 DODSON REPORTING & ASSOCIATES 435 NORTH WALKER, SUITE 102 24 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA 73102 (405) 235-1828 ~ (405) 235-1266 (FAX) 25 dcri@coxinet.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Wallace Coffey, Chairman Ronald RedElk, Vice-Chairman 5 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer Lanny Asepermy, Committeeman #2 6 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 7 LEGAL COUNSEL: 8 William Norman, James Burson Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 9 10 FINLEY & COOK: 11 Linda O'Neal Becky Carter 12 Lisa Parks 13 14 15 16 * * * * * * 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 2 PAGE 3 Meeting reconvened at 12:43 p.m. 5 4 Finley & Cook. 5 5 Discussion of summer school funds. 13 6 Explanation of indirect costs. 30 7 Certification of nominees. 67 8 Resolution Number 53-09/Modahwah Land 70 Acquisition moved to May meeting. 9 Discussion of use of shills. 71 10 Funding request by Julianna Brannum for 77 11 "LaDonna Harris: Indian 101" documentary. 12 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 97 68-09/Transportation/Apply Stimulus Monies 13 from (ARRA) to be used as said in resolution. 14 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 97 69-09/Approving GITCA with IRS. 15 Motion passed to approve request from 107 16 Alicia Pewewardy in the amount of $500. 17 Motion passed to move Detective O'Brien 115 into the Dodd residence, Detective Wood 18 into the Clark residence, and that they pay a rental fee of $100 a month, that they be 19 responsible for all utilities and maintenance of the houses. 20 Denver Abbott, request for minor trust fund, 119 21 to appear before the business Committee at next meeting. 22 Motion passed to approve $10,000 for 126 23 "LaDonna Harris: INDIAN 101" project, with the option to double this amount in 2010 budget 24 to $20,000, for a total of $30,000 for Julianna Brannum. 25 4 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continued) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to approve Chairman's 130 travel to testify before HHS. 4 Meeting concluded at 4:11 p.m. 130 5 Reporter's Certificate. 131 6 Secretary/Treasurer's Certificate. 132 7 8 9 10 * * * * * * 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 (Meeting reconvened at 12:43 p.m.) 2 MS. PARKS: Okay. I'll start with 3 this. The first part of the report is the same as 4 the way you're used to seeing it. Behind Tab 1 is 5 the summary of the general fund expenditures, your 6 gaming funds, tax supplement, and the 20 percent 7 fund. I'll go ahead and hit the high points of 8 those departments that are over budget 9 significantly. 10 And before we start there, I have not 11 adjusted for the 30 percent reduction in this 12 report, because I just received those figures on 13 Friday, I believe it was. No, it was just a day 14 or two ago, I'm sorry, not Friday. It was just 15 within a day or two I received those figures, so 16 those are not reflected in this report. But next 17 month, the budgets in this column here will be 18 adjusted downward by 30 percent, so that will 19 adjust your percentage column here accordingly. 20 We've already discussed -- 21 MR. ASEPERMY: We're going to have -- 22 instead of having seven next month, we'll probably 23 have at least triple overspent or a shortfall, 24 whatever it's called. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We hope not, 6 1 because -- 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, we'll see. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We hope not, 4 because they know they have this and they know 5 they have to make this adjustment. It will depend 6 on how each director is handling it, but they're 7 advised that this balance, that they have to 8 divide it by the months that are left and attempt 9 to spend just at that level for each of the 10 months. So hopefully they're managing it that 11 way. We will see. 12 MS. PARKS: We've already talked a 13 little bit about complex operations, so I won't go 14 any further into that one. The next one I would 15 point out is capital improvements. But, again, 16 you've done a lot of building around the complex, 17 and that accounts for a lot of additional 18 expense. Also, I'm aware that there are a lot of 19 departments that have done renovations, and that 20 comes out of the capital improvement budget. That 21 accounts for additional costs there that they're 22 incurring. 23 The Comanche College and CIVA, those 24 are really not over budget, I believe. They 25 sometimes do their monthly draws on a quarterly 7 1 basis, so it shifts the percentage a little bit, 2 but those are not over budget in any way. It's 3 just the expenses have shifted based on the time 4 frame. 5 On the next page, legal fees. But 6 there again you've had some additional expenses 7 incurred that could not be helped. 8 Does anybody have any questions on 9 the general fund? 10 MR. ASEPERMY: We have 82 accounts, 11 just for your information. 12 MS. PARKS: Yes, that's right. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: And seven are from 55 14 percent over to 289 percent over. How are we 15 going to fix this? How are we going to fix this 16 complex operations, Robert? 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I hate to say 18 it, but what happens is, when we look towards the 19 latter part of the fiscal year, you know, August, 20 September, we start moving like we did last year. 21 We look at the cash within deposit, or on deposit, 22 and then we look at some of the balances that may 23 be in some of these programs, and we just halt. 24 That's what we do. 25 Because if we're to cover -- you 8 1 know, we have to cover this. At the same time, 2 I'd like to think that in the balance of this 3 fiscal year, we really stop some of the 4 expenditure and we try to move expenditure -- and 5 the sadness is, we don't have accounts where we 6 can always -- 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I know where 8 there's $90,000 that won't be spent, and that's on 9 the Business Committee. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, see, that 11 kind of money, then, is reserved. If we do indeed 12 have it reserved as a balance, cash, you know, we 13 have to have the cash in the bank. And if we have 14 it at that end, then, yes, those reserves cover 15 those. That's what they've done in the past. 16 They cover the debt. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: And the annual audit 18 has been paid for, and there's approximately 19 $28,000 that won't be used on that. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we haven't 21 finished the audit. 2008 is underway and we have 22 bills forthcoming on that. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: You know, I'm kind of 24 concerned about the funeral home burial 25 assistance. Is that the bereavement? 9 1 MS. PARKS: Yes. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: I mean, we can't 4 predict how many people are going to die, and we 5 can't predict how many spouses, brothers, sisters 6 or children are involved. So that's going to run 7 over. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it's very 9 possible. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: And legal fees, it's 11 like we said at General Council the other day, we 12 don't know what's going to happen next. 13 MR. COFFEY: Well, we do know on this 14 one, second page from the bottom, five up, where 15 it says tribal grants. I don't know if we have a 16 grant writer, but there's money available for us 17 to do it if we want do it by contract or employ 18 somebody. This is also where we can match grants. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's a good 20 point. Because, you know, we've directed the 21 former TA to get -- so I visited with the TA, the 22 new one, just this past week saying we've got to 23 move on this. Well, he has some person in mind. 24 And I said, well, if you do, I'd like you to 25 propose it to the -- or keep the CBC informed. So 10 1 he has someone that he feels -- and the person of 2 interest is one that's going to just be paid out 3 of each, you know, successful contract, not -- 4 we're not going to put him on employment, as an 5 employee. He will be a contractor based on each 6 of the grants. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: You know, one thing 8 that we didn't do on this year's budget, or next 9 year's budget that's on this year's budget, we 10 didn't budget anything for TERO, and I think 11 that's an important office. It's just nonexistent 12 now. It had an $8,600 budget, but, you know, we 13 didn't even put it on next year's budget. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, we didn't. 15 MS. PARKS: That budget that you see 16 there in this worksheet is made up only of the 17 fees that have been collected this fiscal year. 18 It did not have an operating budget. 19 MR. COFFEY: And it probably won't, 20 because you attach or you charge fees for any 21 construction that's coming within your TERO. And 22 even on ourselves; is that correct? We charge 23 ourselves? Like for the expansion of the building 24 there, do we charge whoever we issue a contract to 25 that they have to pay the TERO fees? 11 1 MS. PARKS: I'm not sure about that. 2 MR. COFFEY: Do you know, Jim? 3 MS. CARTER: I'm not sure. I think 4 it's depending on the TERO director, which is now 5 Will, is my understanding, as to whether he does 6 or doesn't. 7 MR. COFFEY: Do we charge TERO fees 8 for any construction project? 9 MR. BURSON: It's my understanding 10 that you have an ordinance that says that. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We can. We can do 12 that. 13 MR. BURSON: Now, whether or not that 14 has been in force and done, I don't know. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, it has not been 16 effected, to my knowledge. 17 MR. BURSON: A lot of that building 18 that is happening, like your youth shelter, your 19 fire station, et cetera, it all could have been 20 applied to those contracts. 21 MR. COFFEY: We need somebody in 22 there to do that, though. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And Will, I think 24 the TA sort of gave him that role. So we'll have 25 to see whether it's functional. 12 1 MR. COFFEY: I don't think it is. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't either, 3 because I think some of these are so distinct. 4 MR. COFFEY: A lot of those would be 5 on the bridge contracts that he's been 6 responsible. 7 MS. CARTER: I was going to say, I 8 think I have seen it on the roads and bridge 9 contracts, the receipts I've seen, but I'm not 10 sure about the actual brick and mortar 11 constructions. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: When I speak that 13 way, I think Will has been very good about TERO, 14 because he worked with the former person there on 15 putting it in those contracts, transportation, 16 roads and bridges, all that. He has done that. 17 But when it comes to capital investments, youth 18 shelter and all that, no. But I think what we 19 should -- my suggestion to us is we should charge 20 the TA, you know, to be one that guides to see in 21 these contracts that that TERO is employed, given 22 that we don't have the budget next year. 23 MR. COFFEY: Well, we can do it now 24 because you have, what, $6,000 in that -- 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We can do something 13 1 with TERO now. But, I mean, next year I'm 2 thinking about. 3 MR. COFFEY: About having a person? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah. 5 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, I agree. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So it might be 7 something that's not a full-time at this moment, 8 but it's -- 9 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. It could be part- 10 time working towards full time. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If you wanted me 12 to, I could sure visit with the TA on that. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I want to bring 14 something up to all of y'all, is that Delores 15 Twohatchet met with Robert. I was supposed to 16 have been there Tuesday. And from what I 17 understand, for summer school students, how many 18 was total? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think there's 25 20 and 10. I believe it's 25 seniors, I believe, and 21 10 juniors. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: And how many 23 sophomores and freshmen? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I think the 25 total was 137. 14 1 MR. ASEPERMY: We have 137 students 2 here that have applied for summer school. Their 3 scholarship is $1,500. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If they carry a 5 full load. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Six hours. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They carry six 8 hours. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Now, how many are 10 juniors and seniors? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Thirty-five. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: So there's about 102 13 of our students, which equates to about $153,000 14 to award on scholarships, but she doesn't have the 15 money. Okay. Now, we've got $90,000 of CBC 16 money, we got 198,000 of grant money, we got 17 86,000 of Emergency Management money, and we got 18 $93,000 constitution. We have $468,839. I would 19 surely hate to see 102 of our students not be 20 funded for summer school. And the cost is going 21 to be about $153,000. What I'm suggesting to you, 22 Robert, is with these four programs that I just 23 looked briefly through, surely -- well, I know 24 what you told me. I know what you told me. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You'll have to look 15 1 at the debt, too. See, we're in the hole. 2 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Well, just on 3 that one line right there. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you know what? 5 The way I look it at it is just like this: Where 6 is our -- those kids -- some how, some way there's 7 got to be a way. It's going to cost -- and I'll 8 give you an example. My daughter is taking six 9 hours. Her tuition fees and expenses is going to 10 be a little over $900. Even if you awarded them 11 $1,000, it would probably cover most of their 12 expenses. There's got to be a way we can do this, 13 Robert. 14 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yeah, I didn't 15 understand how they're getting 1,500 for six hours 16 anyway. That seems like it's pretty high. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's the full 18 semester when you carry about 12 -- 19 MR. ASEPERMY: No, the full semester 20 is 2,500. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, I'm saying 22 hours, credit hours. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: That's half of your -- 24 you know, that's full time for summer school. Six 25 hours is full time. 16 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: A lot of them don't 2 do that. They take -- 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Even if you cut it in 4 half to $1,250 even to 1,000. 5 MS. PARKS: Lanny, right now, without 6 budget reduction of 30 percent, they have, as of 7 March 31st -- 8 MR. ASEPERMY: What page are you on? 9 MS. PARKS: Page 1, Tab 1. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Higher Ed? 11 MS. PARKS: Yes. They have 1.63 12 million remaining in the budget. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you got to 14 remember, we got the fall semester coming up, too. 15 MS. PARKS: But in the fall semester, 16 the new budget would take effect. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: No, they use this 18 budget right here. 19 MR. COFFEY: They have to give -- 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Remember, Wallace, 21 when we were having a problem getting their money 22 in time and they had to wait? Now they got it 23 fixed where it's already there. 24 MS. PARKS: Right, but they do have 25 BIA funding for fall scholarships. 17 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And you can't mix 2 with some things. You know, if you get a Pell 3 Grant. There's particulars to each of the 4 scholarships, depending on what the student is 5 receiving, whether it's BIA or whether it has to 6 be, you know, Comanche Nation moneys. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I'm asking you 8 right now, before the summer school session 9 starts, if there's any way possible, not just 10 those upper classmen, not just those 35, but the 11 other 102, even if it's $1,000 instead of the 12 1,500, or even if it's $750, something, so they 13 can go ahead -- because it's going to throw a lot 14 of them off course. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Not necessarily. 16 It definitely could throw off the juniors and 17 seniors off course. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: That's already going 19 to be taken care of. What about the other 102? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I see what 21 you're saying, but sometimes we don't have it all. 22 MR. COFFEY: A lot of times the 23 colleges, you know, they penalize the students if 24 they're not able to make their payments when 25 school starts. And so that's why in August and 18 1 September, the first of the school year, a big 2 lump of this money is going to go to those 3 colleges, and that's why we can't utilize these 4 moneys, because we don't know where we're at until 5 the fall semester. 6 There was a time, like Cameron 7 College, we tried to give them the okay to buy 8 books. And if we have to give them money for 9 their book purchase, then we can do that. But no 10 matter what you work out with the university, they 11 want their money, and they've got reasons for it. 12 They've got their budgets and stuff to take care 13 of, too. So our students were really complaining 14 to us year after year after year because the 15 colleges weren't getting their moneys on time. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, see, right 17 now, when you look at -- 18 MR. COFFEY: What would be the total 19 budget requested for summer school? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: If you add the whole 21 shooting match, $205,500. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What she had, when 23 you look at the fall that they have to project, 24 and some of the -- well, when we sat down and 25 looked at the budget with the adjustment, you 19 1 know, you've got to make a 30 percent adjustment 2 of her budget, she had approximately -- I think it 3 was a little above -- maybe it was 99 -- yeah, it 4 was less than 100. About 99,000 available for 5 summer school. Okay? When she made this 6 adjustment, one thing she said is, we have to help 7 some of the students -- this is Delores now. I'm 8 sorry, excuse me, I'll speak for her. She said we 9 have to make some allowance for books for the fall 10 semester. 11 MR. COFFEY: That's what we talked 12 about. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So I said you 14 better keep some of that, then, if that's true. 15 You better keep some of this money available for 16 books in the fall semester. So that's what she's 17 done now. When the budget went out, she could 18 finance the juniors and seniors. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: She financed every one 20 of them at 99,000. If you say -- if you did all 21 137 students, that would be an award of about 22 $722. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But, see, they 24 don't do that. They already have the message to 25 the student that you get -- if you take six hours, 20 1 it's $1,500. That's the expectation of the 2 student. The student already expects that. And 3 the college does, Cameron. If they're at 4 Cameron -- 5 MR. ASEPERMY: If that's the 6 expectation of the students, what about the 102 7 students that had the expectation of getting 8 nothing? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They all know, 10 Delores told me, this is not new. Each year they 11 have this. They apply hopeful there's money. 12 There's no guarantee they get money. They know 13 that. The students know that in the summer -- 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, all I know, 15 Higher Education, they get a whole bunch of dang 16 money and we have a whole bunch of students. 17 $42.4 million. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You're talking the 19 college, this one? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, at the college. 21 That's over $4.2 million we're putting on 22 education at the college. Hell, they shouldn't 23 even be around, but that's another issue. We pay 24 them $108,000 -- 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Do you have a 21 1 comment, Lisa? 2 MS. CARTER: I do. Our concern is, 3 at the firm, they get their BIA scholarship 4 money. They just now, like in the last 60 days, 5 finished spending their grant that expired, I 6 believe, in 2007. So our concern as an outsider, 7 and we've talked to Delores, is are we not -- are 8 they truly not eligible for these BIA scholarship 9 funds that are going unspent at approximately -- 10 what's that figure? Off the top of my head, I 11 believe they receive about half a million dollars 12 a year. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, about half a 14 million. 15 MS. CARTER: It keeps piling up, and 16 it's a concern, certainly that I share, that that 17 money's -- you know, it gets spent over time. But 18 now they've -- and the girls also converted your 19 Higher Education mechanism from a grant, which 20 means you can hang onto that money till you spend 21 it, to a contract, which means you can't do that 22 any longer. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, you can't 24 carry. 25 MS. CARTER: It's a three-year 22 1 contract that expires December 31st, 2010. So I 2 certainly have concerns that that BIA money is not 3 being spent. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Becky, you brought 5 that up to me before. I don't know if Lisa has, 6 too. And I approached her about that. I said 7 we've got to expend this or we're going to lose 8 it. And she says we are. She says it's -- I 9 don't know if that's -- 10 I get concerned about that, because 11 one thing I know -- I shouldn't be talking like 12 this. But I know the director herself allows her 13 staff person who's been in there, you know, she 14 allows that staff person to handle this 15 accounting, handle this -- well, when I sat down 16 with them on this, I sat down with the students, I 17 was very puzzled by her accounting. I think the 18 director was as well. 19 What we could do, given what you're 20 saying, we could go back and look at this with 21 Delores. Now, Delores is not available until 22 Monday, but we can look at it, because I've raised 23 a question about the BIA money, because you both 24 told me that. I said it's sitting here. She 25 said, no, it's all expended, it will be expended. 23 1 That's what they told me. They're thinking -- 2 maybe they're thinking fall or something. I don't 3 know what they're thinking. 4 MS. CARTER: Let me raise something 5 else. One of my other staff members has conveyed 6 to me that Delores has, I'm not sure, two or three 7 staff members that each handle a piece of the pie 8 in the education department. And as you know, we 9 put -- twice a month we put budgets out on a 10 portal, a private Internet, for you to go look at 11 your budget, the actual, and the actual 12 expenditures. 13 Well, until possibly recently, I 14 don't know if it got signed, Delores wasn't 15 allowing those individuals to see the portal to 16 monitor their expenditures. So, in other words, 17 they're operating -- they're flying blind. They 18 don't really know how much money they have left if 19 she's not conveying that information to them. So 20 I know that Karen met with Delores to have her 21 sign an approval letter to get them portal access, 22 I just don't know if it's been executed yet. 23 MS. PARKS: It has. Just went in the 24 past week or two, so -- 25 MS. CARTER: So they've spent six 24 1 months of this fiscal year not knowing where they 2 stood. And if you look on page 18, under tab 4, 3 they have about 240,000 that could go for Higher 4 Ed for the fall semester. Usually they don't do 5 much for summer school, but certainly this could 6 be used for fall semester. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, they're 8 telling me the budget and you have to take the 30 9 percent off of it. When I sat down with Delores 10 and her staff the other day, some of her staff, 11 you're correct, they didn't know some things. So 12 I had to sit down and we tried to go tracking 13 through everything. Because I picked up on that, 14 you know. 15 They're doing some obligations in 16 their areas of expenditure, but they don't know -- 17 access the portal. So I think that is a 18 predicament. But, again, what Delores told me, 19 because she sat with these figures. She said this 20 is the figures, these are the figures. We went 21 through the figures. And, you know, that's -- I 22 think the question is on the BIA money. 23 MS. CARTER: We are still working 24 with individual directors and staff members to 25 change the mindset down here in the fact that in 25 1 the past, the grants and contracts were allowed to 2 stay open until they were spent. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Expend the Tribal 4 money first and then expend the grants. 5 MS. CARTER: Right. It's like 6 they're hoarding their federal dollars, and 7 they're spending the CNG money because they know 8 they lose it. The mindset should be flipped, 9 because the grants and contracts -- 10 MR. ASEPERMY: They were directed to 11 spend the BIA money first a year ago, even before 12 you got on board, the committee. They were given 13 a memorandum: Your federal funding moneys go 14 first, then you go into your Tribal money. 15 All right. I just want a solution to 16 this. Robert, would you recommend -- well, I 17 think it's important. We're talking about 102 18 Comanches. 19 Do you think it would be beneficial 20 if you, and I'd like to be involved with this, 21 too, and Delores and one of the staff members from 22 Finley & Cook meet and go over this to see -- 23 apparently you're already picking up on it. It 24 may be the management of that money in Higher 25 Education isn't up to snuff. 26 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I don't even 2 want to totally say that, but I think it goes back 3 to some mindset, even though you're saying there's 4 a memorandum on the BIA moneys. But, yes, I think 5 we're open to that. The other person I think we 6 should add to that is the Tribal Administrator. 7 The TA must sit there because the Tribal 8 Administrator supervises Delores. I'm not her 9 supervisor. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: What kind of schedule 11 and who would be the one? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Karen. Was 13 Karen -- 14 MS. CARTER: I'll be there and Karen. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: And when would you 16 like to do this, Robert? 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'd like to do it 18 Monday. I would like to do it quick, because the 19 students are having to let the college know now. 20 It has to be done now. It can't be late. It has 21 to be done now. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: So why don't we do it 23 on Tuesday? That way you can notify the TA and he 24 might have something, and then that will give you 25 an extra day to -- and can we do it Tuesday at 10 27 1 o'clock, Becky? 2 MS. CARTER: That's fine. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think of your 4 hours. 5 MS. CARTER: I appreciate that. But 6 don't think of me first, because we can be here 7 whenever. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Higher Education, 9 Secretary/Treasurer, TA. 10 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Is that BIA money 11 reflected anywhere in the statements here? 12 MS. CARTER: Tab 4 on page 18. 13 That's what I was looking at. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: And Becky at 10 15 o'clock at the Higher Education, right, at the 16 Higher Education office? You know what? I'd 17 rather do something for our young people. You 18 know, Darrell, you know, the Comanches helped you 19 with your education. 20 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yep. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: It was a big help. 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yep. They didn't 23 let us have it during the summer, I don't 24 believe. I think I did grants. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: It will expedite their 28 1 educational process. 2 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Sure. It's a 3 good thing whenever you've got it. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Who did you put 5 down there? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: I put down you, 7 Willie, Becky and me. You want to go? 8 MR. REDELK: I'll be there if I'm not 9 tied up. 10 MS. PARKS: Behind tab 2 there's a 11 summary report of all the federal funds that are 12 active right now, this fiscal year. And that 13 grant that we were just discussing is on there. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: What page are we on, 15 Lisa? 16 MS. PARKS: Tab 2. There are only a 17 couple that I would point out here. Food 18 distribution, about halfway down, shows that it's 19 100 percent spent. There's six months to go on 20 that grant. Now, they do get their funding 21 quarterly. There's a modification sent quarterly, 22 but at halfway through the year, they were 23 overspent by $513 before the next quarterly 24 modification came, which did come during the first 25 week of April. But I bring this to your attention 29 1 because last year they were significantly 2 overspent on this award, and that had to be 3 shifted to the general fund. 4 MR. COFFEY: Do we do any from the 5 casinos on food distribution? 6 MS. PARKS: No. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Nothing. All federal 8 moneys. 9 MR. COFFEY: A big portion of that is 10 salary, too. 11 MS. PARKS: Yes, it is. There are 12 also a couple of Workforce programs, the Native 13 Employment Works, and then the very last one, the 14 WIA. Those both end in June, and one is 33 15 percent spent and one is 41 percent spent. Being 16 that there's three months left, they should be 17 about 75 percent. And Karen is meeting with that 18 program director today to make sure that she's 19 allocating her expenditures correctly on the right 20 funds to make sure she spends those -- like we 21 were just saying, spend those federal dollars 22 first before she spends her gaming funds. 23 MR. COFFEY: And you're talking about 24 Native Employment Works and Workforce Investment? 25 MS. PARKS: Yes. 30 1 MR. ASEPERMY: We really can't put a 2 fiscal year requirement on this federal side, 3 because some of them start in January, some of 4 them start in July. 5 MS. PARKS: Yes, all end at different 6 times, and the detail on that information is 7 behind tab 4. The date, start and end dates are 8 listed on each one of those. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: That was my next 10 question, where could I find that. 11 MS. PARKS: The detail behind the 12 gaming programs is behind tab 3 and the detail 13 behind the federal program is behind tab 4. And 14 then tab 5 has your indirect cost expenditures. 15 That was all I had. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Go over, would 17 you -- I want all of them to have some perspective 18 on direct costs. Would you go over that a 19 little? 20 MS. PARKS: On direct versus 21 indirect? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Excuse me, 23 indirect. 24 MS. PARKS: On what they are or on 25 what's coming out? 31 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I'd like 2 everyone to understand what it is. 3 MS. PARKS: Indirect cost, I call it 4 overhead. Sometimes I call it paying the light 5 bill. It's anything that covers a wide variety of 6 programs that you can't easily allocate directly 7 to one program, like accounting, because 8 accounting benefits all of your programs, not just 9 one in particular. Human resources takes care of 10 all of the programs, not just one. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Procurement? 12 MS. PARKS: Procurement. IT might 13 be an example. If several programs are housed in 14 one building, the utilities might be an indirect 15 cost. Unless there were a way to allocate it, you 16 might allocate that to the programs and it would 17 be a direct cost, because you could allocate it by 18 the square footage that they take up. 19 MS. CARTER: But I don't recommend 20 that. But that's what the Tribe's doing right 21 now. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know, but you 23 don't recommend it. 24 MS. PARKS: That's why I call it 25 paying the light bill. 32 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why I want 2 you to bring it out, because there are some things 3 we need to -- 4 MS. CARTER: There's several things 5 that, when the time's right, we probably need to 6 have a workforce group to talk about what else 7 could go in the indirect cost pool that hasn't 8 been mandated in the past. For example, your 9 utilities can go in there. It's just easier if 10 everyone pays their fair share to the pool, rather 11 than allocating it on square feet. 12 That's -- your insurance isn't always 13 one in there for property. The Tribe sometimes is 14 being charged a complex op, if I was to go 15 research that. Those are two nice big examples 16 that I don't believe are happening right now. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: On page 4, Becky or 18 Lisa, either one, where it says general -- PIO. 19 When you talk about indirect costs, are any of 20 those items that are listed considered indirect 21 costs? On page 4 of tab 3. And I just happened 22 to pull up PIO on page 4 where it says salary, 23 wages, salaries, FICA, et cetera, et cetera. Are 24 any of those items what we call indirect costs? 25 MS. CARTER: Certainly the salaries 33 1 for those people that you put in the indirect cost 2 pool and their benefits could go there, and 3 maintenance could go there. In the past, at one 4 of my former employers, the public information 5 office was actually -- the whole budget was in the 6 pool, or at least 50 percent. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, the last line on 8 this particular program is indirect costs expense 9 being $9,600. 10 MS. CARTER: That's their share to 11 the pool to pay for accounting. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: So they are paying 13 about four percent of their budget is indirect 14 costs. Does that seem like a good figure? I 15 don't know. That's why I'm asking. 16 MS. PARKS: The current rate that the 17 tribe is working on is 7.93 percent. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: We'll just take PIO 19 where it says indirect cost expense, and their 20 budget is $242,000. Well, that $9,600 is three -- 21 actually four percent of their budget, not 7 point 22 something. 23 MS. PARKS: They may have calculated 24 it incorrectly. This budget came from the program 25 director. 34 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why I wanted 2 her to bring out some things on indirect. Most 3 people do not understand the indirect. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: What is the next 5 program? Go to indirect cost on page 7. This is 6 the IT's. They got indirect costs at $20,467 and 7 their budget is 280, so their indirect percent is 8 7.3 percent. 9 MS. CARTER: Yeah. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Should they be 11 standardized? 12 MS. CARTER: They should be. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They should be. 14 One thing I would like you to 15 convey now is, see, we're working to get a 16 different rate. Explain that to them. They don't 17 know that. 18 MS. CARTER: I believe your last 19 approved rate was 2003 fiscal year. The firm has 20 submitted the proposals for years '04, '05, '06, 21 '07 and '08, to the National Business Center, who 22 is the one that reviews it, approves it, and then 23 negotiates that proposal. That process has now 24 moved to the negotiating stage, and they have 25 contacted the firm, and we have to respond by next 35 1 week to clarify a few things in your proposal. 2 I'm hopeful, being optimistic, that 3 by late May you'll have all those proposals, a 4 response back from the National Business Center as 5 to what those new rates are going to be for those 6 years. I've asked the Treasurer to advise the 7 Chairman that it will come to his attention, and 8 it's most important that it be processed and 9 reviewed and returned. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: It will come to the 11 Chairman's attention. I would also like to see a 12 copy furnished to the Secretary/Treasurer. 13 Sometimes things don't always get to the Chairman. 14 MS. CARTER: The problem is, we're 15 not going to see -- 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's directed to 17 the Chairman, so I have to be sure when it comes. 18 MS. CARTER: Finley & Cook will not 19 get a copy of that letter unless you provide it to 20 us. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: What is an ideal 22 indirect cost? Is there such a thing? 23 MS. CARTER: No. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 25 MS. CARTER: We have one client that 36 1 their indirect cost rate is over 100 percent 2 because their federal programs are so low. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I went to land 4 management, and it matches the other one. It's 5 7.4, and the one we looked at before was 7.4, and 6 the first one we looked at was 4.0. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have to get 8 that. And then when we get this new indirect, you 9 know -- 10 MS. CARTER: What I would say to that 11 is Finley & Cook probably didn't have any input on 12 that. We would have advised them as to what the 13 correct rate was. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But they were given 15 a figure. You know, I did ask that. They were 16 given one, but, again, you have to be a little 17 mathematical here to say -- 18 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: How you calculate 19 it? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, how you 21 calculate it. And if they aren't, well -- so 22 we're all growing to be better. 23 MS. O'NEAL: One of the discussions 24 that you all are having about using the federal 25 funds as opposed to the general fund, I think 37 1 that's something -- you allocated us to meet with 2 the directors, and we put that meeting on hold 3 because there's going to be a new TA. We thought 4 at that point, we needed to meet with him first, 5 because he would be the one that would be directly 6 over the directors. So we want to get that held. 7 You know, when we first started, we 8 had such a mess that we had to pick out what the 9 big fires were and concentrate on those. And we 10 were getting a lot of push back because we were 11 tying to, you know, just lay down this thin rope 12 that everybody had to follow the path on. That 13 didn't work very well, you know, and everybody was 14 angry and upset most of the time. So then we got 15 a little curves in the road. 16 But now that we've gotten so much 17 accomplished, and we're in such better shape, then 18 we need to kind of go back and straighten the 19 curves out of the road. That's why we need to 20 start with the TA and the directors, which we are 21 going to do that as soon as possible. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And he knows that 23 and he's awaiting that. 24 MS. O'NEAL: And we're ready to move 25 on that as soon as possible, and I think some of 38 1 these things will be discussed. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And can be squared 3 in that. 4 MS. O'NEAL: Yes. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The one thing I 6 would like to say, you know, visiting with the new 7 TA, he wants to be smart about this, so that's 8 encouraging. He says he will take, you know, the 9 leadership in it, which is good to see, with the 10 directors. 11 MS. O'NEAL: Is the TA invited to the 12 meeting where we do our presentation here, or 13 should we schedule -- or is he privy to this? 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, he's privy to 15 this. It's just like he couldn't make it today 16 because he had something. He was aware of it. 17 MS. O'NEAL: But should we put in our 18 monthly schedule, if he's not here, to sit down 19 with him and go over especially out of line on 20 budget? 21 MR. ASEPERMY: How did you do it with 22 the prior TA? Did you ever meet with Mr. Wauqua? 23 MS. O'NEAL: Just when there were 24 issues. Just when there were certain issues that 25 we were -- 39 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But he would take 2 this -- amazingly, he would take this and look at 3 it, and I know he was visiting with some those 4 directors. 5 MS. O'NEAL: And I think probably 6 Henry met with him on occasion when he came down 7 to meet the directors, but I didn't. I mean, I 8 met with him several times over the last year, but 9 not in relation to this. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Do y'all know how I 11 can get ahold of Henry, by the way? Do y'all have 12 a phone number on him? I have an award for him. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I can get him. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I have a Vietnam metal 15 approved by Congress I've got to present to him. 16 MS. CARTER: Your current TA, when I 17 congratulated him on Saturday, expressed a desire 18 to meet with us weekly. So I am essentially 19 waiting for him to initiate that since he was 20 going to be busy in the beginning. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why I made 22 the point. In my discussion with him, he really 23 does want to be here. He mentioned he'd visited 24 with you at the General Council. 25 MS. CARTER: I told him that was 40 1 fine, just -- if you want to set a certain date, 2 that's actually better for us. But, you know, it 3 doesn't matter. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you'll have the 5 opportunity to on Tuesday, after we get through 6 with this less than an hour meeting, and you can 7 sit down. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If you'll be quiet, 9 it will go less than an hour. 10 (Discussion held off the record.) 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: One thing I would 12 suggest, too, when you come, Lisa and Karen, I 13 think it's very smart, like you have with me, 14 which I appreciate, to sit each -- you know, in 15 those week times you come, with the TA. He would 16 welcome that. And I think it's very, very 17 important. 18 MS. O'NEAL: And I think he needs to 19 be informed every time you're coming. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: You will inform him 21 about this? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: He's already 23 contacted Becky. 24 MS. CARTER: We're playing phone tag 25 right now, as a matter of fact. 41 1 MR. ASEPERMY: So you'll make sure 2 he's free on Tuesday to further meet with Becky 3 beyond -- 4 MS. CARTER: Before we leave this 5 report and move on to the other report, tab 1 on 6 your gaming moneys. I went and did a quick 7 calculation overall. Of the $27 million budget, 8 took the 30 percent reduction, year to date 9 overall, you're at 55 percent. So I'm personally 10 not alarmed, but you may know something I don't 11 know about future expenditures. So I would hope 12 that would put some comfort level back. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's comforting to 14 me, because I've been looking. But the thing is, 15 there's overages, you know; complex and legal and 16 others. We have to cover those. 17 MS. CARTER: Right. At least 18 overall -- 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They don't 20 disappear, they're debts. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: What did you calculate 22 with the 30 percent cut? 23 MS. CARTER: Well, it's about 19 24 million. I turned my calculator off. But year- 25 to-date percentages, that's about 55 percent. 42 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And they're going 2 to put that in here next month. 3 MS. CARTER: Yeah, the reduction. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It began in April 5 with the 50 and then we moved to -- 6 MR. ASEPERMY: So with the 30 percent 7 cut, it'd be $19,360,878. And we have spent year- 8 to-date 10 million. So 50 percent of the year is 9 gone -- 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So you just have 55 11 percent. That's pretty right on. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: But that 55 percent 13 doesn't -- you still got stuff coming in. I mean, 14 it's not posted. What percent, I don't know. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: There's things 16 coming in, and that means -- 17 MS. CARTER: Plus the fair is coming 18 up again. 19 MS. O'NEAL: Five percent is a lot 20 easier to deal with. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it is. But 22 you got to play it safe. You have to be working 23 on it, know what you're working on, what your 24 balance is. If you don't know that, you're really 25 in left field. 43 1 MS. O'NEAL: And if you have been 2 able to, you know, determine that your shortage is 3 due to a new casino opening. How long have they 4 been there? I mean, how long has it been there? 5 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Well, it's not 6 new. They just did a new renovation. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Oh, Fort Sill that 8 you're talking about? 9 MS. O'NEAL: Yeah, that you feel like 10 it's had an impact on your gaming? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it's had an 12 impact in the last two months. 13 MS. O'NEAL: Normally what we see -- 14 we see when the new one opens or there's a 15 renovation or something, they've drawn for 16 sometimes up to four months. But then it's 17 usually shorter than that when people start going 18 back to where they were comfortable and what they 19 were doing. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And so if we pick 21 up on some of the pluses, the hospitality, 22 welcoming, all those things -- 23 MS. O'NEAL: Yes. It's not a 24 permanent usually what we saw. I remember, you 25 know, in town, even in Shawnee when the big Grand 44 1 Casino opened, some of the smaller casinos, I 2 mean, for about 90 days they were tremendously 3 affected. And then it just leveled off and it 4 started back up and they finished their year fine 5 and it got back. So hopefully that will happen 6 here. 7 And if you really feel like they're 8 offering services that maybe you could improve 9 yours, if you all are making those changes, you 10 know, you can have some affect on that. But, I 11 mean, don't -- you have to be careful. And I'm 12 not saying not to be concerned. But it may be a 13 short-term -- you know, short-term deal. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we hope it 15 is. You can see some of these things, so we're 16 going to be implementing this, and hopefully by 17 the end of July it will all be in place. Oh, 18 excuse me. This is 1 September, but some things 19 inside, the interior, and then the back-of- 20 the house, Players Club, some other things. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: The carpeting, the 22 under-the-floor stuff, venting. What I'm curious 23 to see is, three months after this is all done, 24 what our profit level is going to be, to see if 25 we're going to, you know, get more money. 45 1 MS. O'NEAL: But, you know, it's like 2 a new store opening in town. Everybody goes there 3 for a while, and then they go back because they 4 know that one, and I do that. They know people or 5 something. But there is an effect somewhere 6 around -- usually it's just about 90 days out to 7 120, but 60 to 90. So maybe you all are -- 8 MR. ASEPERMY: So right now, the way 9 I see it, Robert, right now, with the 30 percent 10 cut, we are about 5 percent overspent. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's what she was 12 mentioning. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: That's what I'm 14 saying. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're in fair 16 shape. 17 MS. O'NEAL: But I think if we do 18 some education and we get the federal program 19 money used first. Hopefully they haven't, you 20 know, thought about all of the other, the federal 21 education, and that will help with the 22 scholarships. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know federal has 24 been back in the education area. That's a bigger 25 one, you know. But what's the other one that 46 1 you're saying? 2 MS. CARTER: That's basically an 3 across-the-board statement that there's being 4 money left on the table in several -- most of your 5 grants and contracts, unfortunately. So I don't 6 really want to target just one program. 7 MS. O'NEAL: But hopefully when we 8 get together with the TA and the directors, we can 9 get some of this cleared up. And I think, you 10 know, the more you repeat it, and if we do it 11 consistently for longer periods of time, and then 12 we get to that point we can actually have some of 13 our staff say, you know, if there's money left on 14 the federal side and this would qualify. But we 15 don't change the coding unless -- we've got to go 16 back to the director and they've got to do that. 17 But if we tell them, "Hey, guys, 18 there's money on the table. We're going to send 19 this back or call you and see why you're not using 20 that first." Because you don't want to send back 21 money or fail to draw down what you can. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's true. There 23 is the -- there is the thing that happened -- the 24 matter of dollars happening right now when we have 25 to expend federal dollars to get a reimbursement. 47 1 Okay. When we get the reimbursement, I mean, it 2 comes back replacing the federal dollar. It's 3 not, you know, restricted. So it's like the 4 profit when we were looking at transportation. 5 You know, the matter of profit. It comes back 6 like a profit to us because it's money that we 7 have for things that are not restricted. 8 MS. O'NEAL: Well, you know, general 9 fund doesn't have the restrictions, so you can use 10 it for other things. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's what I'm 12 saying, general fund. So it can come into the 13 general fund. 14 MR. COFFEY: Well, how come it wasn't 15 that way whenever the tribe was cited for 16 overspending with regard to fuel? How come it 17 couldn't have come out of general funds instead of 18 out of the transportation? 19 MS. CARTER: It could have and should 20 have had it been monitored, so I'll just leave it 21 at that. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If it had been 23 documented that way. 24 MR. COFFEY: To me, that was the 25 purpose of the general fund. That way you're not 48 1 going to get a write-up from the Bureau or 2 anything like that. But that stood out just -- 3 MS. CARTER: That was 2005, so -- 4 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Way back. But it 6 stood out, you're right. 7 MR. COFFEY: We talked to them about 8 it, talked to the employees, I talked to Carol, I 9 talked to Mike at that time. Same way with 10 indirect costs. And I said I'll be willing to 11 develop a budget from the administration point, 12 but you need to develop a budget from your 13 in-house accounting procedures so we can submit it 14 to the Office of Inspector General. That indirect 15 cost can be increased. I think it still hasn't 16 been submitted. 17 Because you're going to have to have 18 a budget for the chairman's office at some point 19 in time, and it can't come from no federal grants 20 other than indirect cost. The chairman's office 21 has to have cell phones, typewriters, and, you 22 know, computer systems, just like anybody else, 23 and a staff. And there's not one budgeted for it 24 outside of indirect costs, and it's all lumped 25 into that thing. 49 1 MS. CARTER: And one of the concerns 2 in the past that the business center would allow 3 50 percent of the chairman's office and all the 4 other CBC to be automatically put into the 5 indirect cost pool. Well, that mindset is 6 changing in, I believe, fiscal year 2010. In 7 order for us to put essentially any of the 8 chairman's budget in there, we're going to have 9 some kind of type of duty or something. And I 10 just -- this is me personally talking. I don't 11 see CBC members or chairmen of tribes going to 12 document how much time I spent in this meeting. I 13 mean, there's too much time on your -- too many 14 demands on your time. I don't see that 15 happening. 16 But if this body wants to do that, 17 then we can certainly put that in the indirect 18 cost pool. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Do you see where 20 you would have to document those things? That's 21 why it requires that we include the body within 22 the pool. You have to document that you're doing 23 these things to benefit the whole program, all the 24 programs, not just one grant. 25 MS. O'NEAL: So then it has to come 50 1 out of general fund. 2 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, I know. That's 3 the downfall of this -- 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it's a 5 downfall. 6 MR. COFFEY: But you've got a Tribal 7 Administrator that needs to realize these are 8 separate from the tribal duties versus the General 9 Council duties, I guess I would say. The in-house 10 responsibilities versus the out-of-house 11 responsibilities, like Gaming Commission, Gaming 12 Board. Because they're not paying us an indirect 13 cost, but yet they're a direct responsibility of 14 the CBC. Now, CBC doesn't have any budget for 15 these purposes. All they got is a budget for a 16 monthly meeting. How can you take care of all 17 these entities on a monthly meeting if you don't 18 do it like today? There's no budget for it for 19 today. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's something that 21 we have to be thinking about how we do that, you 22 know, because the indirect, you can do it, but 23 that seems -- use the words Mickey Mouse. I mean, 24 there's so much detail. And then you have to 25 prove that you're benefiting everything across the 51 1 board, you know, not just one program. But I 2 think we really need, as you're saying, we really 3 need to be looking at it critically and bring it 4 forward. 5 MR. COFFEY: Not just for the 6 Chairman's office, but for the whole CBC. And 7 it's going to have to come from the people, not 8 from any federal program. But indirect cost is 9 right there, but she said the movement for 10 indirect costs is you need to quantify the amount 11 of responsibilities and duties that you paid to 12 this program. 13 MS. CARTER: I just don't see it 14 happening. 15 MS. O'NEAL: There could be days 16 where you have 12 hours of things, 30 minutes. I 17 don't know. Because, you know, you start in on 18 things, you go all day, and -- 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Could be a 20 headache. 21 MS. O'NEAL: And they make us do that 22 at Finley & Cook, and I would not wish this on 23 you. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Shall we move to 25 yours? 52 1 MS. CARTER: Just real quick, unless 2 there's specific questions. In the month of 3 March, directors and/or Finley & Cook or A 4 combination thereof, three more tasks were 5 completed on the findings for programmatic 6 review. April, I believe there's four or five 7 that have been completed. So we're making 8 headway. 9 The biggest thing that's left is 10 policies and procedures of various sorts, whether 11 it be personnel, records management, property 12 policy that needs to be written. And then there's 13 several items that when I get to meet with the new 14 TA, is to talk about needing his efforts to ask 15 directors to essentially do their job in some 16 areas. I think last month I talked about the 17 transportation director needs to attend training, 18 needs to do some programmatic things that I can't 19 force him to do. So if we can get that movement, 20 then we can get -- 21 MR. COFFEY: Did y'all know that Ozzy 22 was going to be transferred to the procurement 23 department? 24 MS. CARTER: We had heard that rumor, 25 but we didn't know if that had -- 53 1 MR. COFFEY: Prior to when it 2 happened? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't think any 4 of us heard. I was there and I didn't even know. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: I didn't either. 6 MR. COFFEY: That was really sad, 7 because they cleaned out Frankie's office before 8 it even appeared in the paper that he had passed 9 away. And the director was told, or that person 10 that was in the property was told to clean it 11 out. The family wanted to go in there and get his 12 stuff, and they already had it boxed up. 13 And so when they finally went and got 14 their stuff, well, Ozzy was sitting there as the 15 new director. It came out on Friday that he had 16 passed away, and they had the new director on 17 Friday before Johnny left, and that was Ozzy. 18 MS. CARTER: I know. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Let's move on. 20 That's enough, let's move on. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Robert, have you 22 heard, or Wallace, have y'all heard about any kind 23 of -- I know it's probably too early. We need to 24 get somebody that's got their stuff together on 25 that 638 program so we can wrap this up. They've 54 1 completed 19 of the 41 requirements. You're 2 moving right along, but I think if you would have 3 had someone on this end that was maybe -- 4 MR. COFFEY: You know who could do 5 the job? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Who? 7 MR. COFFEY: Phyllis Attocknie. She 8 can do the job. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: She's had her 10 opportunities with the Nation. 11 MR. COFFEY: She's had multiple 12 opportunities, and she's blown them again and 13 again. That's why those people are so bitter, 14 because they had an opportunity and then things 15 happen. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, getting 17 around, I think the point you're making is smart. 18 Because, you know, when you visit with the TA, as 19 you're visiting, he has remarked to me that, yes, 20 this is one place that he'd like to see someone 21 that could really assist when you come and when 22 we're working on this, that pushes the directors. 23 MR. COFFEY: Well, first of all, 24 there's no money to hire someone that's very 25 competent and capable. The tribe needs to be a 55 1 self-governance tribe. We don't need to be under 2 the decision making of the Bureau. We need to 3 allow ourselves to make these decisions 4 ourselves. But you've got to have somebody that 5 can take you from 638 contracting to self- 6 governance contracting. You need to have someone 7 in that position that knows exactly what they're 8 doing. 9 I don't know how to do the 638 10 contracting. I know I want to be a self- 11 governance tribe. There was one requirement two 12 years ago and I asked our attorneys -- I would 13 like to enter into a co-management agreement with 14 Wichita Wildlife Refuge, to co-manage or to opt to 15 co-manage and provide funds so our tribal members 16 can work with the Wildlife Department. Well, the 17 first requirement was for us to be a self- 18 governance tribe. We're not, but I think that 19 we're capable. I think that we should be. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think we have to 21 start thinking like that, because there are those 22 opportunities like the Fish & Wildlife that we 23 could contract. 24 MR. COFFEY: And not only that, but 25 I'm really concerned about the health of our 56 1 people. The only way we can do that is end up 2 contracting the Indian Health Services for our 3 tribal members. I tried that six or eight years 4 ago. It got knocked down. But now everybody is 5 saying we wish we would have started it back then, 6 we'd have our own facility. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: So we started this 8 process in July of 2008, and we progressed to 9 about completing -- it seems like we're just kind 10 of stuck on our audit findings. Slow process. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I have to say 12 this: You remember we engaged Finley & Cook, and 13 Becky's the one. And that has really helped us 14 get -- you can see the outline she has. So we are 15 moving. There's some big things we got to do, 16 though. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Does this mean that 18 we're eventually going to have to do '06 and '07 19 corrective action plan, too, on our audit? 20 MS. CARTER: I can answer that. 21 Phyllis Pack has indicated they're probably going 22 to combine '06 and '07 into one response, because 23 they don't want to have multiple years 24 outstanding. So, yes, you're going to have to 25 answer another -- 57 1 MR. ASEPERMY: That's good. That's a 2 good thing, I think. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Oh, yeah. They're 4 saying that we're attempting to act on these 5 things, so they're being more understanding. 6 That's the way I feel with Phyllis. 7 MS. CARTER: We visited with Phyllis 8 back within the last 30 days on a conference call. 9 She's certainly happy with the progress. She was 10 also pleased that they have made the final payment 11 on your 2006 expenditures for BIA. We will be 12 submitting your 2008 -- we're jumping up to 2008 13 expenditures to submit next month. And the reason 14 for that is we need to -- or the tribe needs to 15 determine your carryover amounts from your 2008 16 dollars so that we formally do a budget mod to 17 carry those dollars into your '09 funding for 18 these BIA contracts, because they're three-year 19 contracts. 20 MR. COFFEY: Well, I'm liking it, 21 because we got a handle on it this time, and our 22 program managers are starting to understand it. 23 Because probably two years ago, I don't know how 24 many of them paid attention to the chart of 25 accounts in their various departments. It was 58 1 very evident that they didn't. 2 MS. CARTER: And they're doing really 3 well. We have, I think, one program director that 4 we're going to try to educate some more on telling 5 us if it's BIA money or CNG money. Because we're 6 going back and having to move it from A to B, or B 7 to A, because they're not up to snuff. We're very 8 pleased with the coding efforts. 9 MR. COFFEY: There's one thing that I 10 think we need to do. Like, for instance, Higher 11 Education had a golf tournament and they raised a 12 lot of money. I think the money they raised 13 should be put into an accounting system like 14 Finley & Cook is doing, and she prepare a budget 15 for it. Right now I don't think she's prepared a 16 budget, and I have no idea what kind of money 17 she's got in there. 18 But if she prepares a budget for it, 19 and if it's not CNG funds, or if it's not BIA 20 funds, she can put it for discretionary needs 21 whenever she wants if she prepares a budget for it 22 and spends it in accordance with her budget. But 23 y'all don't know anything about that either, do 24 you? Does she allow you to make decisions with 25 regard to that golfing? 59 1 MS. O'NEAL: Do you know how much 2 money she made? 3 MS. PARKS: Off the top of my head, I 4 don't know how much money she -- but she does 5 spend it sometimes for scholarships or sometimes 6 for events. But, no, she doesn't have a budget. 7 MR. COFFEY: I can see that being 8 abused. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I was going to 10 mention, Wallace, that maybe you know and maybe 11 you don't, but at some of our centers, like 12 Apache, for one, they have a separate account. 13 And then when they -- I don't know what they're 14 putting into it, but I assume when they have 15 people use the facility, they pay a fee, and that 16 fee goes into an account, and we're not aware of 17 that. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, you are aware of 19 it. Y'all have been aware of it and nobody's done 20 nothing about it. And I'm not blaming you. I 21 mean, the former Tribal Administrator was told 22 about this. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Anyway, we want 24 those disclosed. The same like the Christmas 25 trees and that kind of thing, separate accounts. 60 1 When we find out about them, we want them, you 2 know. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: And, you know, another 4 thing, Wallace, I've recommended to Robert, and I 5 don't know how we're going to do this, but we're 6 paying $125 to rent a facility. I'm recommending 7 -- did you get my recommendation, Robert, that we 8 charge our Comanche people -- go ahead and put the 9 $100 deposit down and you get it back. Or maybe 10 even $75, and then charge our Comanche people $25 11 for the use of it. Or non-Comanche people, Indian 12 people, and then our non-Indian people, charge 13 them $75 -- I mean, 100. 14 And, you know, another thing, and 15 they've had this account in Apache, and people 16 have -- I've had four complaints about not getting 17 their deposits back. I pass them on and nothing's 18 ever been done. I'm giving you an example. Last 19 night they had a birthday party there for her 20 granddaughter. Did she pay for the deposit and 21 the rent? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't know that. 23 MR. COFFEY: No. Because I know 24 them. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: And I do, too, and 61 1 that's why I bring this up to you. This has been 2 going on. And do you know why I bring it up to 3 you? Because she got up and said I am the steward 4 of the Comanche's money. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, anyway, this 6 is something we have to get on top of. I think it 7 can be at either -- we have four of these 8 centers. Who knows whether it doesn't happen at 9 Norman as well? 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, Outreach centers. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As well as the 12 outreach centers it possibly happens to. 13 MR. BURSON: I've got a question. It 14 sounds like you're starting to wrap up. Because I 15 don't know if something's been going on, but this 16 being the halfway point in your fiscal year with 17 this report, have there been some budget 18 adjustments made in particular line items that 19 you're over that cover particular line items that 20 are short? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: At some point we 22 got to get into that as well, yes. 23 MR. BURSON: The only reason I bring 24 that up is that's what I'm used to doing when I 25 was working in your position as mayor of a town. 62 1 When you get to the halfway point in your fiscal 2 year, you sit down with your accountants, see 3 where you were ahead on line items that were 4 underspent, over on line items that were 5 overspent. Start making those adjustments at this 6 point to hold the line on the spending that you 7 could in order to cover the shortfalls, and move 8 stuff around and adjust your budget so that when 9 you look at the next month's budget, you've 10 adjusted for those overages and underages. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, I understand 12 that. 13 MR. BURSON: I know you're kind of 14 back in the groove, because they do -- your 15 budgets always -- line item budgets never come out 16 100 percent correct, because they're always a 17 forecast. It's like predicting the weather. You 18 don't know what's going to happen in June when 19 you're over there in September. And so what that 20 process does is it helps you line that up and get 21 them back into adjustment. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I've talked 23 with the TA and you're going to visit the TA. The 24 TA and I have visited just shortly, because he 25 hasn't been here very long. The former TA, when 63 1 he was here, when we saw these things materialize, 2 especially in the complex ops, we know where they 3 are. Then he was holding back on expending in 4 certain places. We knew that. He knew that, I 5 knew that. But I think what you're saying is, you 6 know, we have to do -- when he comes in, we have 7 to talk about that. Then we have to bring it to 8 this body. He can't do it solely, but I think we 9 have to bring it back. 10 MR. BURSON: I would have to sit with 11 my council, my councilmen, and go through this 12 process of readjusting the budget line items. 13 Because you're going to have some of your members 14 are going to want to support education more 15 strongly than something else the remainder of the 16 year. And so if those are expenses that are -- 17 you can perceive, for instance, like what Lanny 18 was just talking about. Then as a body, you 19 decide your priorities from here on out, the 20 remaining part of your budget. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're going to do 22 that. When the TA gets on board, I think we can 23 sit on those things. 24 MS. O'NEAL: And it will probably 25 help to get the 30 percent reduction, too. 64 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The TA, I 2 appreciate the fact that he wants to be very close 3 to this, and I think that's positive, to me. 4 MR. COFFEY: But the whole thing, 5 Robert, is we've got a budget for 27 million. Do 6 we have 27 million sitting in the bank? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 8 MR. COFFEY: See, that's what the 9 program managers don't know. That's what -- 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They do know that. 11 I've spoken -- 12 MR. COFFEY: They know that it's not 13 all there. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They know it's not 15 there. It's based upon a forecast. And then when 16 we get into that, that's another issue, as you 17 know. 18 MR. COFFEY: I think when July comes, 19 we need to know if we're going to have to shut 20 somebody down or something. Because if it's not 21 there, those having a high spending pattern, 22 they're going to have to stop operations or 23 something. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay, close complex 25 ops. I agree. 65 1 MR. COFFEY: Because your revenue is 2 not coming in. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why we had 4 to make these adjustments, the 30 percent, because 5 of revenue. 6 MR. COFFEY: But hearing what we 7 heard today from gaming, I'm feeling much better 8 than last month. 9 MR. BURSON: Just to circle back 10 around, sometimes you know what expenditures are 11 still in front of them based on your experiences 12 and skills, your knowledge. I'm just suggesting 13 that you have certain programs, things you want to 14 do that you feel like you have to do, and then 15 certain expenditures that are, gee, we'd like to 16 do that, but maybe we need to X those budget line 17 items out so we don't spend in this discretionary 18 area so that we can keep the necessary areas 19 funded. And so then it's an exercise. 20 It's almost like going back through 21 your budgeting process, albeit a shorter version 22 of it, just to realign your budget priorities. 23 What's discretionary, what do we stop spending on 24 now, or really cut back on, and what do we try to 25 keep going at the normal rate, and see if you can 66 1 make those figures balance out before you go 2 forward. I think that's some of the process when 3 you get with the TA. 4 MS. CARTER: And not to belabor, but 5 one of the things that I probably need to do, at 6 least with you, Robert, at a minimum, is sit down 7 and talk about some of these idle checking 8 accounts that have money sitting in them to see if 9 they need to be consolidated maybe into one that, 10 if you will, a reserve or set aside for the 11 nursing home or assisted living, whichever route 12 you go there. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're not idle. 14 Some are sitting there because it is the 15 nursing -- I mean, the assisted living, the 16 nursing home. 17 So most of those, I have a sense of 18 what they are, those accounts, and some have been 19 put just specifically by donation. You know, we 20 have the museum, we have education. There are a 21 few of them. And then we're pulling those, like 22 you saw the one, we pulled the interest on one of 23 those small accounts. It's not small. It's about 24 10 or $12,000. But that's an educational fund, 25 and it was donated with a specific intent. So 67 1 some of those have intent in there, and then 2 others that are in some place, maybe we need to 3 consolidate. 4 The other thing that goes through me, 5 because I visit with the bankers more and more 6 now, I have to tell you. One of the things, if we 7 have that, you know, what kind of opportunity do 8 we have to ladder something, to get a better 9 return on what's sitting there. So I've been 10 visiting with a number of the bankers. So that's 11 something, don't forget, let's talk about. 12 MS. CARTER: Okay. Sounds good. 13 (Break held from 1:59 to 2:12 p.m.) 14 MR. COFFEY: I want to acknowledge 15 receipt of this letter from the Election Board 16 with reference to certification of nominees. They 17 called me and said that there was an issue that 18 they wanted to explore further. I asked them not 19 to divulge who it was on. That's none of my 20 business. I said everything remains confidential, 21 but you do the investigation, further your 22 investigation. And they were going to meet 23 yesterday evening. 24 They met yesterday evening, about 9 25 o'clock last night, and they said that all 68 1 candidates have been approved and certified for 2 running for election. So for your record, the 3 Election Board has delivered their certification, 4 and they are going to go forward with the election 5 process. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: So they certified the 7 candidates? 8 MR. COFFEY: All candidates. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: And they all 10 qualified? 11 MR. COFFEY: Yes. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We don't do 13 anything. They just notify us, that's all? 14 MR. COFFEY: If there was an issue -- 15 MR. BURSON: Well, actually, your 16 current ordinance is a little unclear on that. 17 Your proposed ordinance, election ordinance, tries 18 to lay that out more consistent with the 19 constitution, as much as the CBC has delegated 20 certain of its authorities under the constitution 21 to run the election to the Election Board. And 22 one of those delegations was to check out the 23 qualifications of the candidate to make sure 24 they're qualified to run, make a recommendation to 25 us. 69 1 Because typically the CBC makes sure 2 that the ballot is what the ballot's supposed to 3 be, as far as part of your supervisory function of 4 the Election Board. And so this is a report to 5 you. You should probably bless it or approve it, 6 that that's the way the ballot needs to be made 7 out. 8 MR. COFFEY: That's what I'm saying. 9 We have received this certification from the 10 Election Board, and I'm saying while we're on 11 record, that this has been received, and we hereby 12 authorize them to proceed with their election. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You called us to 14 order then, right? 15 MR. COFFEY: I called us to order 16 this morning, all day. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So that's the first 18 thing. They're directed that they can proceed? 19 MR. COFFEY: Yes, they have been 20 authorized to proceed with the election. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: I would like to add an 22 item to new business, and that is the Clark Dodd 23 property houses, occupying them, and I'll present 24 that at that time. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The first 70 1 resolution here, you know, is on the land, again, 2 that Waysepappy, which is east of Lake Lawtonka. 3 And as you asked, you would like to have a little 4 more information, so I just want to say it's 5 here. And I'd still like to see that carried 6 forward to the May meeting and not acted on 7 today. I'd like to provide a little more 8 information to you. 9 MR. COFFEY: Okay, all right. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And on the second 11 one, Resolution 56-09, that's enacting a new 12 gaming ordinance, and they're still working on 13 that. You know, I don't know where they are at 14 the moment, if they can bring something forward 15 for us to look at. 16 MR. BURSON: Actually, you kind of 17 caught me a little flatfooted with that one. You 18 approved the gaming ordinance at your last 19 meeting. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I thought we had 21 tabled the gaming ordinance. 22 MR. BURSON: No, the election 23 ordinance. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: There's a question 25 that they're working on, yes. 71 1 MR. BURSON: Yes, there's only one 2 question. If you're ready to take that up, we can 3 discuss that now. It's essentially done, but for 4 this one little wrinkle that was brought up during 5 the Gaming Board meeting. Do you want to do that 6 now? 7 MR. COFFEY: Yes. 8 MR. BURSON: One of the things that 9 was not brought up during the whole process but 10 came to the attention of the Gaming Commission, 11 Gaming Board and ourselves, was the possibility of 12 using -- management being able to have one of 13 the -- possibility of using employees of your 14 casinos as shills. Shills is a gaming term of art 15 which stands for using an employee to sit at a 16 card game in order to fill the table, or to hold 17 the table open. 18 Say somebody's got to get up and go 19 to lunch or something, the shill is directed to 20 come in and sit and play, play a hand. They play 21 usually with casino money, but it keeps the table 22 open or it starts the table. And then once 23 there's enough players to keep the table open, 24 then the shill goes away, goes off to whatever 25 else they're doing. 72 1 The IGRA contemplates that there are 2 shills in card games. NIGC regulations 3 contemplates that some houses will have shills in 4 card games. What your ordinance has said for some 5 time is that employees shall not gamble in the 6 facility. Now, there would be some argument that 7 if an employee sits at a table, not using their 8 own money, and they don't get to keep the 9 winnings, are they gambling? And you could say, 10 no, they're not. 11 But since your ordinance has the 12 express prohibition as it now reads, that an 13 employee shall not gamble in the facility, if you 14 want to allow management to use shills as a 15 recognized tool to keep card games going, then we 16 just need to sew in an exception for shills under 17 that prohibition, whether or not you think that's 18 a good idea. If you think it's a good idea, we'll 19 sew it in. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How are these 21 selected if they're employees? How are they 22 selected? 23 MR. BURSON: I would say that 24 probably the card -- the pit boss or the card 25 supervisor on duty at the time, seeing a situation 73 1 where we got a table that needs four to start and 2 we got three. We're expecting more. You know, 3 because that time of the day or whatever, they 4 just haven't showed up yet, will sit an employee 5 in the seat. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How do we select 7 the employee? That's my question. 8 MR. BURSON: Oh, the employee? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Because they can't 10 be gaming in the facility. How do you know -- 11 MR. BURSON: That's what I'm talking 12 about, with an exception for shills. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I understand that. 14 But how do you select that specific individual to 15 be sitting in on that? 16 MR. BURSON: The "who" would be your 17 management of your card games. 18 MR. COFFEY: They decide. 19 MR. BURSON: Maybe they got a dealer 20 that's standing there with nothing to do, waiting 21 for people to show up for a table, but we've got 22 one table that's potentially ready to go but for 23 one player. That dealer gets selected. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Does that raise a 25 question with those who are gaming there or at the 74 1 table when they have a dealer being a player on 2 some occasion? 3 MR. BURSON: It might, but it's done 4 in Las Vegas all the time. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Jim, what is the 6 recommendation of the Gaming Board and Gaming 7 Commission on that? 8 MR. BURSON: They would like to have 9 the opportunity to use shills. At least your Red 10 River manager would like to have -- 11 MR. ASEPERMY: As a group, as a 12 whole? 13 MR. BURSON: As a Board, yes, they 14 would like to have that as a tool. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: And the Commission is 16 okay with it? 17 MR. BURSON: The Commission is okay 18 with it as long as the ordinance expressly 19 provides for it. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The exception is 21 put into it? 22 MR. BURSON: Yes. Because the way it 23 reads now, it's not clear whether it's permitted. 24 And if you have the exception in there for shills, 25 then the Gaming Commission will go, okay, let's 75 1 devise some appropriate policies that guard 2 against the things that the Commission would be 3 worried about, which would be, you know, if a 4 shill sits there too long, or, you know, they 5 can't keep the money they win, those kind of 6 rules. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But, now, we 8 understood they're going to meet. They've met on 9 it and that's the recommendation when they met? 10 MR. BURSON: The Board, yes. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. 12 MR. BURSON: And then this whole idea 13 about the employees not gaming in your facility 14 started way back, like when Wallace was the only 15 person left on the -- back when it was a whole 16 different CBC. The thinking, as I recall was, 17 again, it might not look good if our employees 18 take off their uniforms and go sit down and play 19 the game. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why I asked 21 the question. I asked the question of the dealer 22 sitting at the table, you know. Wouldn't they 23 know over the table he's dealing? 24 MR. BURSON: And the same way with 25 entering promotions, the giveaways and stuff, that 76 1 it would not look good to the gaming public. 2 However, a shill is usually identified as a shill 3 when they sit at the table for the players that 4 are there. And they know it's done as a 5 convenience to help them, let them get started 6 with their game. So it shouldn't be -- 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So if he comes to 8 the table, they will identify to the players at 9 the table who this is? 10 MR. BURSON: Yes, and that is for the 11 purpose of getting the game started. If another 12 player shows up, they take the shill's seat, and 13 the shill goes back to what else he was doing. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So then we can 15 bring the resolution saying that the ordinance is 16 all complete? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: So this is the 18 resolution we need to pass, then, right here, with 19 that information? 20 MR. COFFEY: We already passed it. 21 MR. BURSON: It was one of those 22 informal things where it was just such a slight 23 change to the ordinance. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: The gaming ordinance 25 is in effect now? 77 1 MR. BURSON: It doesn't go into 2 effect until NIGC approves it. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: But we have approved 4 it? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: My notes show we 6 tabled it. I have it down in my notes tabled, so 7 I'd like to see it acted on. 8 MR. BURSON: You approved it on the 9 16th, yeah. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, but my notes 11 show tabled. I didn't have you sign it, you know, 12 because we tabled it. 13 MR. BURSON: Because this came up, 14 and it's such a minor thing, it's really just a 15 clarification of a potential ambiguity. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Wallace, can we take 17 care of that? 18 MR. COFFEY: Let's take a five-minute 19 break. 20 (Break held from 2:26 p.m. to 21 2:35 p.m.) 22 MR. COFFEY: What you presented to us 23 is a proposal with regard to "LaDonna Harris, 24 Indian 101." You've also submitted your biography 25 and a budget. Okay. Talk to us. 78 1 MS. BRANNUM: Well, for those of you 2 that I haven't met, I'm Julianna Brannum. I'm the 3 daughter of Lana and Jim Brannum. My grandparents 4 are Annetta and Marsey Mahsetky. I was born and 5 raised here in Norman and went to school at OU. I 6 live in Los Angeles now as a documentary 7 filmmaker. This will be my third documentary. 8 Just to kind of give you a quick 9 rundown of what I've done, I made a film for 10 public television called "The Creek Runs Red." It 11 aired in 2007 on PBS on a national prime time show 12 called "Independent Lens." 13 MR. ASEPERMY: What was it? 14 MS. BRANNUM: "The Creek Runs Red." 15 It was the story of the Oklahoma Superfund site up 16 in Miami. The second film, which hopefully all of 17 you will be seeing pretty soon here on May 11th, I 18 co-produced a film called "Wounded Knee," part of 19 the five-part PBS series for "We Shall Remain," on 20 PBS. I'm very excited about that. It's been 21 getting a lot of attention. 22 MR. COFFEY: What segment are you on? 23 MS. BRANNUM: "Wounded Knee." It's 24 the final segment. My latest project is "LaDonna 25 Harris: Indian 101." It is a feature-length 79 1 documentary about LaDonna Harris. It chronicles 2 her life. She was raised as a Comanche woman. 3 And the project that she runs now with Americans 4 for Indian Opportunity called the Ambassadors 5 Program. 6 So in the film we will follow -- it 7 chronicles her life, but also discusses the 8 contemporary program that she runs. I'll be 9 focusing on two of her ambassadors. One is a 10 native Hawaiian, Kalaniua Moloaki, and the other 11 is an Oneida woman based in Albuquerque, Tracy 12 Canard-Goodluck, and she runs the Native American 13 Charter Academy. 14 So what LaDonna is trying to do 15 through this program is to sort of create a global 16 collective with other indigenous people around the 17 world. She's trying to get everybody to 18 incorporate their traditional indigenous values 19 into their modern contemporary work, whether it's 20 law, environment, media arts, whatever that may 21 be. She's trying to get those folks to live in 22 their contemporary lives but with their 23 traditional values. 24 So right now I'm about halfway 25 through production. In fact, on Sunday I'll be 80 1 going to Albuquerque to film with Tracy and 2 LaDonna. Later this fall we're going to New 3 Zealand where they meet with the Maori people. 4 There's also a sister organization there called -- 5 it's the sister organization to AIO for the 6 Maoris. They have a strong language program and 7 university there. So the American Indian 8 ambassadors will be going to do sort of an 9 exchange, an issue exchange and cultural exchange. 10 So I'll be filming that. 11 To-date, I've raised $124,000 out of 12 a total budget of $212,000, approximately. So I'm 13 still looking to raise around 88,000 plus dollars 14 to complete this, to get it through production. 15 This is for public television. It's 16 on high resolution, high definition video, so if 17 you're shocked by the numbers, that's why. 18 There's a lot of legal costs associated with 19 that. There's also a lot of licensing that goes 20 with that. 21 So I am here to request, you know, a 22 donation, which can be donated through 501(c)(3). 23 I have a fiscal sponsor, if that helps matters. I 24 am an independent filmmaker, so it wouldn't be 25 through any sort of corporation other than my 81 1 independent company. 2 So far I've raised money from The 3 Corporation of Public Broadcasting, the Sundance 4 Native Initiative, National Geographic All Roads 5 Program, Rockefeller Media Arts, and NAPT, which 6 is the Minority consortia for PBS for Native 7 American Public Television. I've just sort of 8 been raising money as I've been producing, and so 9 I'm just looking to continue to do that so I can 10 continue shooting and get through post production 11 and delivery to eventually hopefully have a film 12 on a national PBS broadcast. 13 MR. COFFEY: You've got national 14 credits and you'll have more after this "We Shall 15 Remain" series, right? 16 MS. BRANNUM: I'm hoping so. Yes, 17 it's been extremely helpful in my fundraising so 18 far. 19 MR. COFFEY: What's her name at 20 NAPT? 21 MS. BRANNUM: Shirley Sneve. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: What is NAPT? 23 MS. BRANNUM: Native American Public 24 Telecommunications, and that is the PBS Minority 25 Consortia. 82 1 MR. COFFEY: I was one of the 2 founders of that, Lanny. When I was working with 3 Oklahoma City Educational TV in 1976, we created 4 this Native American Public Broadcast Consortium. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: And what is ITBS? 6 MS. BRANNUM: That's also a 7 Corporation of Public Broadcasting organization. 8 It's a nonprofit that funds -- 9 MR. ASEPERMY: What does the acronym 10 mean? 11 MS. BRANNUM: Independent Television 12 Broadcasting Services. So it's sort of like a 13 blanket organization for all documentary 14 filmmakers, as opposed to, like, the minority 15 consortia. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: How long will the 17 finished documentary be? 18 MS. BRANNUM: It will be 60 minutes. 19 MR. COFFEY: If you've already got 20 funded from NAPT, you've already got library 21 services and promotional services. 22 MS. BRANNUM: Yes, yes. I'm looking 23 also to partner with an Albuquerque station, the 24 PBS station there. I'll be meeting with them on 25 Tuesday. If I can partner with them, then I can 83 1 also apply for another grant through ITBS which is 2 for communications. ITBS has expressed interest 3 in giving me additional funding, but they would 4 like me to go through the station partner. 5 MR. COFFEY: I don't know. Sometimes 6 the quality of their equipment is not as good as 7 what you'd need. 8 MS. BRANNUM: Right. That's why I'm 9 doing it separately. This would be mostly 10 partnering for marketing and promotions. 11 MR. COFFEY: I think most of their 12 equipment is for in-house productions. I don't 13 think they can do on-site. 14 MS. BRANNUM: Right. 15 MR. COFFEY: If they can, they've got 16 to have a huge budget, but I don't know about New 17 Mexico ETV having stuff like that. 18 MS. BRANNUM: Right, right. I know 19 Oklahoma doesn't. I've done this partnership 20 before with a Dallas station, and they actually 21 had really great equipment that they were giving 22 me an on-line editing system that they donated. 23 It's all in-house. 24 MR. COFFEY: If they can find you 25 some resources, that's the best way to do it. 84 1 Besides that, LaDonna -- 2 MS. BRANNUM: Yeah, that's why I'm 3 going to go to them. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. The total of 5 your budget summary is 212,000. That tells me 6 that for a 60-minute documentary, the cost per 7 finished minute, is that the right terminology, is 8 it about $3,500? 9 MS. BRANNUM: I never looked at it 10 that way, but, yeah. It's a smaller than average 11 budget for a lot of the documentaries that you're 12 seeing, just slightly smaller. It's about 13 average, but it's just a little bit below what 14 most documentaries are costing these days. 15 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: And you're the 16 director/producer? 17 MS. BRANNUM: Yes. I also have a 18 10-minute fundraising trailer, if you guys wanted 19 to look at it. 20 MR. COFFEY: Go get it. Is it 21 possible -- no, we can't, can we? 22 (Video shown.) 23 MS. BRANNUM: It's not just going to 24 be talking tribal heads, it's going to be called 25 Cinéma Vérité, which is some of the reality 85 1 footage of the two ambassadors as they go through 2 their process for the next two years. 3 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: That's pretty 4 neat. It makes you want to see more. 5 MS. BRANNUM: That's the point. We 6 want to give you some more money so we can see 7 more. It's always a work in progress. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: I have a question. On 9 your funding, what's producer's cash for $10,000? 10 MS. BRANNUM: That's my out-of-pocket 11 cash that I've spent on my own. 12 MR. COFFEY: Like flying here? 13 MS. BRANNUM: Exactly. Credit cards. 14 MR. COFFEY: One time I was working 15 in Nebraska. I was working for the former 16 Governor, Bob Kerrey, and I went to Washington to 17 meet with a couple of senators with regard to some 18 of the issues. He invited me to lunch, and so we 19 went into the senate chambers where they have a 20 meal, and there was LaDonna sitting there. 21 "LaDonna, sister!" And everybody 22 looked up, you know, like, you know, two relatives 23 got reacquainted all over again, because that's 24 where it was. But if there was one that was ever 25 a foremost lobbyist, it was LaDonna. 86 1 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't think we did a 2 bad job with the Choctaw, Wallace. 3 MR. COFFEY: We did real good. We 4 stood up for ourselves and somewhere we have to 5 take credit. We did better than the Choctaws did. 6 MS. BRANNUM: Do you have any other 7 questions? 8 MR. COFFEY: How soon -- when's your 9 production? What's your timeline? 10 MS. BRANNUM: Well, I'm hoping to 11 come back to Oklahoma. I think I've got enough to 12 get me through this next shoot. I guess she's 13 coming to Comanche Country to introduce or to give 14 a talk to the students that are graduating? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, the ones 16 graduating. 17 MS. BRANNUM: I'd like to come back 18 for that. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The banquet, she's 20 to speak. 21 MS. BRANNUM: So I can go back and 22 get her at her home place, do some local 23 interviews as well. Anybody who's interested, 24 especially Wallace, to talk on camera. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Have you got any more 87 1 initiatives out with the balance of the funding 2 needed? 3 MS. BRANNUM: I have a couple more 4 out. Like I said, if I can partner with a New 5 Mexico station, that will open up a new grant 6 that's very interested. It's hard to say. 7 They've already expressed a lot of interest. They 8 asked me to do this. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: How much are they 10 willing to contribute? 11 MS. BRANNUM: I'm not sure yet. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Is there another -- 13 MS. BRANNUM: Another outlet, like 14 another funding opportunity? There's only one 15 other that I feel confident about, which is 16 Chicken & Egg Pictures. It's for female 17 filmmakers that are making films about females. 18 So that one I'm applying to as well. 19 MR. COFFEY: If anything, New Mexico 20 can probably provide you editing stuff. I 21 wouldn't trust any of their equipment, but 22 editing. 23 MS. BRANNUM: It would only be 24 in-kind services, so things like that, editing and 25 promotional, marketing and that kind of thing. 88 1 It's really just a formality to be able to apply 2 for cash money through this program that I was 3 saying. It's a partnership through ITBS. 4 MR. COFFEY: When did you want to 5 have it in the can, so to speak? 6 MS. BRANNUM: I want to have it in 7 the can by summer of next year. So in terms of 8 timeline -- 9 MR. COFFEY: The reason I'm asking, 10 Committee, her budget, her request -- but you 11 wanted to do some production now, correct? 12 MS. BRANNUM: Yes. 13 MR. COFFEY: And you probably will 14 assemble it together February/March? 15 MS. BRANNUM: Yes, I'm going to start 16 assembling later this year after the New Zealand 17 trip. So I'm really looking for enough financing 18 to get me through to New Zealand, and then also to 19 start cutting together a rough cut, at which point 20 then I can continue to do a little bit more 21 fundraising for any finishing funds I need. 22 MR. COFFEY: Committee, what might 23 happen is we do something now, but then also do 24 something in the next fiscal year. That would get 25 her started. 89 1 MR. ASEPERMY: So why is 45 percent 2 of your budget summary personnel? What exactly is 3 personnel? 4 MS. BRANNUM: Camera and sound and 5 editors. The going rates are outrageous. I'm 6 using a local -- a couple of local Oklahoma 7 filmmakers, because their rates are a little bit 8 cheaper. But I also feel you kind of suffer a bit 9 in quality. Not because they're from Oklahoma, 10 but if I could afford to get -- if I could raise 11 more money, I could get a higher-end DPD, director 12 of photography. That would probably cost me about 13 $500 a day. So when you think you've done a shoot 14 for five days at that, plus the equipment rental, 15 it adds up. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Such as lodging and 17 travel. 18 MR. COFFEY: Most of it is on 19 location, Lanny, just like Mike's was. We've got 20 a Comanche boy that's got national credits, Dan 21 Bigbee. 22 MS. BRANNUM: I've actually asked him 23 to do sound for me. 24 MR. COFFEY: He's actually right now 25 employed with OETA. 90 1 MS. BRANNUM: So yeah, it's -- 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Are you locked in on 3 these camera and sound people? 4 MS. BRANNUM: No. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: I'd like to give you a 6 name. His name is Bill Curtis out of Lawrence, 7 Kansas. 8 MS. BRANNUM: Is he sound or camera? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Both. 10 MR. COFFEY: When are we supposed to 11 get that? 12 MR. ASEPERMY: It's supposed to be in 13 tomorrow. 14 Well, he does not only the camera 15 work and the sound, but he also does the editing. 16 MS. BRANNUM: Okay, great. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: He does it all in one, 18 and his name is William Curtis, or Bill Curtis. 19 MS. BRANNUM: With a C, Curtis? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: C-U-R, and he is 21 located -- I wish I could give you a -- I hope I 22 have a phone number for him here. 23 MS. BRANNUM: Is he Comanche? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: No, he's a tivo. I 25 tell you what I can do: Let me give you Mike 91 1 Tosee's number, and you can call Mr. Tosee, and he 2 can get you in contact with Mr. Curtis. He may 3 offer you the best deal. I mean, he gave Mike a 4 heck of a -- of course, they're buds, too. 5 MS. BRANNUM: Well, I'm paying -- who 6 also happens to be a very close friend of mine who 7 lives in Norman. And the reason why I'm going 8 with him is because he's the least expensive, and 9 he's still $350 a day, and that's the friend rate. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Mike Tosee, T-o-s-e-e, 11 at 785-218-6166. And you tell him I gave -- Lanny 12 gave you his number and that you needed to contact 13 Bill Curtis. Bill Curtis might -- man, that's a 14 lot of money for a -- 45 percent of her budget is 15 that right there. And Mr. Bigbee's another one. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: When you get into 17 the business for the quality, it's up there. The 18 price is up there. 19 MR. COFFEY: I think as a producer, 20 you have to look at all possible areas to get the 21 task done, but at the same time, don't lose on 22 your quality that you want. Because if you got 23 Shirley Sneve with NAPT, then the University of 24 Nebraska can put it on the national, give you 25 national credits. 92 1 I think what we'll have to do is talk 2 amongst ourselves. And somewhere along the line, 3 I think you might call either Lanny or Robert. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Tippeconnie will 5 call you, right? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, she's been in 7 contact. We have e-mailed back and forth. 8 MS. BRANNUM: Well, I appreciate it. 9 Any other questions? Well, thanks for giving me 10 your time today. 11 (Ms. Brannum exits meeting.) 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: On the gaming 13 ordinance, although we passed it as we said the 14 last time -- we finalized the ordinance, so to 15 speak, right? 16 MR. NORMAN: Yes. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So they've agreed 18 to an ordinance. 19 MR. COFFEY: Just a minute, Lanny. 20 Is that -- Lanny made the motion to approve 21 Resolution Number 56-09. Who seconded the motion? 22 Does it say? 23 MR. NORMAN: The Gaming Board 24 anticipated that they would have a discussion with 25 you to pass the gaming ordinance. But they want 93 1 to make clear as part of the gaming ordinance, 2 shill or prop players would be permissible. They 3 now have taken the shill or prop players off the 4 table, so to speak. They would like you to move 5 forward with the ordinance as previously submitted 6 to you, and if they decide to go forward with 7 shill or prop players, then there will be an 8 amendment proposed, and then we would get that up 9 to the NIGC. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So it was the 16th, 11 the date? 12 MR. COFFEY: So now Resolution Number 13 57-09, and that's in reference to the Election 14 Ordinance. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Wallace, what I would 16 like, before we go into that, we are down to page 17 -- we have done -- we have completed 16 of -- 15 18 of 18 pages of review on this. Now, this is not 19 going to go into effect until after the 20 elections. I mean, we're not going to approve 21 this. What I would like to do, what I would like 22 to recommend is -- we're almost done with it, 23 except for those last. 16 and 17 and 18 pages is 24 what we're reviewing. We did 1 through 15. 25 What I would like to do with it is -- 94 1 because the last part of it is rather lengthy and 2 will call for some discussion. I would like to -- 3 God, I wish we had one day aside from these 4 meetings where we could do this stuff. Can we 5 have a Special Meeting for this? 6 MR. COFFEY: Sure. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Ron, would that be 8 okay with you and Darrell, where we can just talk 9 about -- you know, we've already been here for 10 three-and-a-half hours. You know what I'm 11 saying? Let's start fresh with this, because this 12 is an important document. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: One point I might 14 say is I don't know if it came from Hobbs, Straus 15 or whatever, but Mr. Wells was telling me 16 yesterday they have seen this new one. They 17 reviewed it, and it seems like the real comments 18 that he got out of it, what he was telling me, was 19 they asked the question: "Oh, 12 to 7?" And then 20 he said then they made it personal. You know, "Is 21 it me?" kind of thing. That's what they were 22 talking about. But other than what he was telling 23 me -- 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Did you provide a copy 25 to Mr. Wells? 95 1 MR. BURSON: Yes. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But other than that 3 point, I didn't pick up -- he didn't seem to be 4 saying more than just that. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: They're taking it 6 personal. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're taking it 8 personal, saying, "I'm not going to be on the 9 board." Well, the point that he said he said to 10 them, well, this is -- you all have a term. You 11 finish your term and then it goes into effect when 12 the new persons are -- 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I'd like to have 14 a Special Meeting on this if it's a consensus of 15 the CBC. That way the Board can discuss this. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, let's set the 17 date. 18 MR. COFFEY: I think we need to set 19 the date at our May meeting, because you can't set 20 a Special Meeting at a recessed meeting. So May 21 2nd, we'll set a date for a Special Meeting. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll make a note of 23 that. So then we're holding that one? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Is that okay with 25 everybody? 96 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Let's go on to the 2 last one. Well, there's two, excuse me. There's 3 two more. 4 MR. COFFEY: This is American 5 Recovery Reinvestment Act with regard to 6 transportation; is that correct? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 8 MR. COFFEY: And in particular, Cache 9 Route 43 -- let's go back to the projects. Route 10 6759 (B-394) in Lawton; Route 6709, Lee Boulevard; 11 Route 4315, Caddo and Comanche County; Route 7195 12 and 7211, Cotton County/Walters; Route 6900, 13 Airport Road/Cache. And this is what we're going 14 to utilize to apply for stimulus money, the list 15 of projects and routes. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: These are the 17 routes that we want. 18 MR. COFFEY: Now, the one I really 19 like is that 6709, Lee Boulevard. There's been a 20 lot of accidents on that road towards Cache from 21 Lawton, from where Goodyear is all the way to 22 Cache. I think that road is pretty much 23 dilapidated. Do we have a motion to approve? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make the motion. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 97 1 MR. COFFEY: All right. Motion has 2 been made by Secretary/Treasurer Robert 3 Tippeconnie to approve Resolution Number 68-09. A 4 second has been made by Committeeman Lanny 5 Asepermy. Committee, any discussion? Hearing 6 none, all those in favor signify by saying "aye." 7 (Aye.) 8 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 9 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 10 carried. 11 Resolution Number 69-09, "Resolution 12 Number 92-08 delegated limited contracting 13 authority to the Gaming Board of Directors; 14 however, said resolution reserves to the Comanche 15 Business Committee the authority to enter into 16 government-to-government agreements. 17 "Whereas, the Gaming Board of 18 Directors recommends the approval of 'Gaming 19 Industry Tip Compliance Agreements' (GITCA's) 20 which are government-to-government agreements 21 between the Nation and the Internal Revenue 22 Service. 23 "Whereas, deems it prudent to 24 facilitate the effective management of the 25 Nation's casino operation to approve GITCAs with 98 1 the IRS for all casino operations (which have been 2 reviewed by Tribal Attorneys) and to authorize the 3 Chairman of the Comanche Business Committee to 4 sign and execute said GITCA's. 5 "Now therefore be it resolved that 6 the Comanche Business Committee hereby approves 7 the attached 'Gaming Industry Tip Compliance 8 Agreements' with the IRS for the Nation's casino 9 operations and its relevant employees. 10 "Be it further resolved that the 11 Chairman of the Business Committee is authorized 12 to execute GITCA's." 13 Do we have a motion to approve? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I'll make the motion, 15 but I do have some discussion later. 16 MR. COFFEY: We've got a motion. Do 17 we have a second? 18 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 19 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 20 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy to approve Resolution 21 Number 69-09. A second has been made by 22 Committeeman Darrell Kosechequetah. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Where are the attached 24 GITCAs? Did you provide those for us? 25 MR. BURSON: I was thinking that 99 1 maybe Chas would provide those. Do you want me to 2 get you a sample of one? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Is it a lengthy 4 attachment, is it a brief attachment? 5 MR. BURSON: It consists of four 6 agreements, one for each of your four casinos, and 7 each agreement is about seven pages long. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Have y'all reviewed 9 these, William? Are we on the up-and-up? 10 MR. NORMAN: There's not a great deal 11 of wiggle room with the IRS. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Is there a legal 13 question, or we're not going to get in trouble, 14 or -- 15 MR. NORMAN: This is the way to 16 manage the potential so that you don't get into 17 trouble with tips, and so that your employees 18 don't get into trouble with tips. There were some 19 policy questions that the Board had about -- 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Are they comfortable 21 with it and you're comfortable with it? 22 MR. NORMAN: Yes. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: I call for the 24 question, Mr. Chairman. 25 MR. COFFEY: All those in favor 100 1 signify by saying "aye." 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 5 carried. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: I got these from the 7 Comanche Boy. His trainer was coming in, and then 8 Allison. They're scheduled to come to the May 9 meeting. What I told her to do was present that 10 -- to make sure she provided you a copy, and if 11 you wanted to present it, that you would put her 12 on the agenda for May the 2nd. Is that okay? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm just going to 15 refer it to you, Robert. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: See, we can look at 17 it this way, or they can come impress us. 18 MR. COFFEY: Now, on the second page 19 on Comanche Boy, I fixed a budget. Because they 20 asked for 40,800, I think. Yeah, 48,500, annual 21 marketing, advertisement, salary. Now, I don't 22 understand what he meant by salary. So what I did 23 is I looked at his salary. Because you mentioned 24 that he can box up to 10 rounds, but he needs to 25 have the stamina in order to go that and beyond. 101 1 MR. ASEPERMY: He said he was at the 2 6 to 8 round level, and in order to get to the 3 championship 10 to 12 round, he's going to have 4 to -- 5 MR. COFFEY: Train five hours a day. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: -- five hours a day, 7 six days a week. 8 MR. COFFEY: So this is fixing him a 9 salary at his current rate, 14.42 an hour, 80 10 hours times 11 pay periods, and that goes -- times 11 11, I don't know. Until September '09. Whereas, 12 he would not be an employee. He would be under 13 contract. He would have to pay these benefits, 14 including COBRA. He can't be an employee to get 15 COBRA. 16 But if he doesn't have insurance 17 benefits, he's crazy. He's got to be -- because 18 he said he has to go for CAT scans or MRIs after 19 some bouts sometimes. You know, if he's dazed or 20 something like that. So I fixed this budget up 21 from May to September or from May to December, 22 which will give him some time that he can work and 23 train and have more bouts. 24 But I didn't put any money in there 25 for a trainer, because I didn't know what his need 102 1 was. Didn't he pick up a trainer? 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah. You know what? 3 He couldn't really give me a figure on that. It 4 depends. Number one is what caliber of trainer do 5 you want. This guy is a world-class trainer 6 coming in from Lubbock today. Now, I don't know 7 -- he's going to put him through, what he told me 8 last night, a six-day or five-day boot camp, you 9 know. And he couldn't really tell me how much. 10 MR. COFFEY: He told me he's going to 11 go for a full week, and then the guy is going to 12 take another break, and just before the fight 13 comes up, he's going to have him practicing that 14 week again. But he's paying out of his pocket 15 now. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, I know. I 17 know. And I don't really know how to handle 18 this. I wish there was a marketing -- you know 19 what? There's somebody. Who was telling me? 20 Sonny Nevaquaya just got home, and he's at The 21 Gathering right now. He said the Seminoles have 22 sponsored some boxers. I don't know what their 23 sponsorship is. Of course, they're a lot better 24 off than we are. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: By millions. 103 1 MR. ASEPERMY: And that's why I 2 wanted Comanche Boy to present this, so we can ask 3 him the questions we need to ask him. 4 MR. COFFEY: May 2nd, perhaps. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This relationship, 6 or whatever, to the -- on your agenda, you see new 7 and old -- the Sports Commission. You know, what 8 -- the Sports Commission, what would be the 9 relationship here, if any, Comanche Boy to the 10 Sports Commission? 11 MR. COFFEY: None. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. So it acts 13 just as handling the sport event, right? 14 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, yeah. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. Now, the 16 next question, then, I would have on this budget, 17 we can wait until he brings it in, but who would 18 he report to and who would be supervising how he's 19 expending money? 20 MR. COFFEY: It would have to be the 21 full CBC, because he's a contract employee. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: You need to figure 23 that out. 24 MR. COFFEY: But I'm telling him, if 25 we give him $48,000, the IRS is going to lump him 104 1 with a fee for 48, unless he's got a budgeted 2 expenditure list. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, the salary is 4 what's going to be -- he has to pay, and the 1099 5 would be issued to him based on, you know -- 6 otherwise, you're right, the total amount he'd -- 7 MR. COFFEY: The total amount would 8 just end up looking like cash. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Let me see if Verna 10 got an e-mail. 11 MR. COFFEY: And this little girl 12 here, this is my granddaughter. Her mother works 13 as one of our janitors, Pat Pewewardy, I think. 14 She is Harold Pewewardy's granddaughter. But they 15 told me a couple of weeks ago she was going to 16 have surgery on her wisdom teeth, that that's 17 what's causing it. But her doctors say that it's 18 stress and something else that's causing her hair 19 loss. But look at this young girl. She's asking 20 for funds to buy a wig. And it's getting to be 21 summertime and she can't be wearing no hoodie. 22 Poor thing. I mean -- 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How much is she 24 asking? 25 MR. COFFEY: It says anything. $500. 105 1 MR. REDELK: The cause really needs 2 to be addressed. 3 MR. COFFEY: She's going to see a 4 doctor. And this happened to my niece, and it was 5 stress related. The doctor gave her some medicine 6 and she went completely bald. And then after she 7 went completely bald, well, the doctor told her 8 now buy that home remedy or that remedy off the 9 shelf, and her hair all came back. 10 But I haven't talked to her yet, this 11 little girl. But isn't that something? Me nine 12 months ago, me as of today. 13 MR. REDELK: I think those wigs are 14 about $200, depending on what kind you get. And 15 you talk about summer. According to my wife, 16 they're hot. I'm sure that girl's really 17 emotionally impacted. 18 MR. COFFEY: Sure. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm sorry, I missed 20 this right here. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Is this one, 22 Wallace, you're bringing forward? Is this one 23 you'd like us to act on today? 24 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So I would ask the 106 1 question, if it's whatever, if it's just the wig, 2 you know, as Mr. RedElk brings out, it might be 3 from 200 to 500. If we -- I suggest if we do act 4 on it, that we approve it, but I can call the aunt 5 and find out for sure. And then we -- that would 6 be the amount if we act? 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I read this and 8 it says -- is it just one wig? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, that's what I 10 said. We can pass it, we can put a limit, maybe, 11 500. But I can talk with the aunt. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: How much is a wig? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 200, Ron said. 14 MR. REDELK: 200 on up. It depends 15 on what you get. There's a place there just off 16 of Leopard Street that has pretty good quality 17 wigs. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I make a motion 19 we approve it up to $500, Wallace. 20 MR. COFFEY: Perfect. At least let 21 her know that we're concerned. But what Ron said 22 was right. She needs to get some kind of 23 treatment. But the doctors told her -- she's 24 having her wisdom teeth pulled out because they're 25 saying that that could be a cause. I don't think 107 1 so. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: I ain't never seen 3 nothing like this. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Your motion is? 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Approve. 6 MR. COFFEY: Up to $500. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Up to, but are you 8 open if I call the aunt if it's less? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, yeah, yeah. Up 10 to 500. If it means getting two wigs or three 11 wigs, you know. I don't know. Does a wig get 12 sweaty and dirty where you have to change it? 13 MR. REDELK: It will get sweaty. 14 MR. BURSON: You have to wash it 15 periodically. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We could probably 17 say just 500, then. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Don't they have to 19 provide the receipt, right? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, they have to 21 provide receipts. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: So my motion is to 23 approve this request from Alicia Pewewardy in the 24 amount of $500. 25 MR. COFFEY: Motion made. Do we have 108 1 a second? 2 MR. REDELK: I'll second that. 3 MR. COFFEY: Motion made by 4 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy to approve this 5 Pewewardy young girl to purchase necessary items 6 in the amount of $500. A second has been made by 7 Ron RedElk. Any discussion? 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Out of the 9 Charitable Funds? 10 MR. COFFEY: Out of the Charitable 11 Funds. Any further discussion? Hearing none, all 12 those in favor signify by saying "aye." 13 (Aye.) 14 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 15 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 16 carried. 17 I've got a request from the Comanche 18 War Dance Society, but I'd much rather it wait 19 until October. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: October? 21 MR. COFFEY: Because we've already 22 got everything taken care of out of our pocket. 23 War Dance Society provides food baskets to the 24 elders on that evening. We've already got this 25 covered. But I'd like for them to come back to 109 1 you in October for, say, $500. We take it out of 2 our pocket on Saturday. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Every family donates 4 one. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: For the fall. 6 MR. COFFEY: Because the Tosee family 7 is taking care of the food. And I can't remember, 8 but the other family is taking care of our 9 announcer. But it's already taken care of. I'd 10 much rather it wait until October. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: And I did pass out 12 these memos, Mr. Chairman. Did you get a copy of 13 this? Did I give y'all a copy of that, the memo 14 from the Comanche Nation Police? 15 MR. COFFEY: No, I didn't see that. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: I asked Vernon to give 17 me this. It's basically -- Mr. Chairman, if you 18 want to read it. 19 MR. COFFEY: Okay. This is a 20 memorandum from the police department to the CBC 21 requesting consideration to move Detective O'Brien 22 into the Dodd residence and Detective Wood into 23 the Clark residence. "Prior arrangements have had 24 officers reside in the residences with the 25 agreement that utility costs be borne by the 110 1 officer, and that tribal forgo any rent, to have 2 the criminal investigators near the tribal 3 community and gaming entities. If you have any 4 questions on this matter, please contact our 5 department." 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Let me tell you what 7 happened at the Clark residence before Donna 8 O'Brien moved in. They had carpet replacement 9 because of a water break. They had a rat and 10 mouse infestation. And we all know if you leave a 11 residence empty, that it's going to wear down. 12 It's going to wear down. O'Brien is currently 13 living in the Clark residence. She is willing to 14 move up to the Dodd residence, which is in Wichita 15 Mountains, and Wood down into the Clark 16 residence. Now, we looked at that -- Robert, was 17 you out there? Was y'all there at that Dodd 18 residence? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I was there. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: It was in great shape 21 then, and that's been four months ago. What's the 22 condition now? 23 MR. COFFEY: No telling. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: No telling. But they 25 are both -- the Clark residence is ready to move 111 1 into. The Dodd residence, O'Brien said they been 2 through this song and dance before. Whatever 3 repairs need to be made, they are willing to 4 make. We just need to get somebody in there. 5 MR. COFFEY: I agree. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I would make 7 the comment, you know, I can see paying the 8 utilities, but I feel there should be a rental, 9 even though it may be low. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: $1 a month. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, not $1 a 12 month. I think it should be a little more than 13 that. Now, if they have to go in -- I would say 14 this: If they have to go in, like you're saying 15 on the Clark and have to do all that repair, you 16 know, they shouldn't have to for a point in time 17 pay any rent, because they're paying all that. 18 Did they do that, or did the police department do 19 that? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: From what I 21 understand, she said it was out of pocket. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So I can see that 23 waived at those points, but it seems to me that 24 there should be a fee there, a rental fee as well. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: What do you recommend 112 1 the rental fee to be? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I'd say 100. 3 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I didn't go on 4 that trip, but isn't there a lot of acreage with 5 the Dodd property? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: 360 acres. 7 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Is there any type 8 of maintenance that has to be done? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: No, it's got a new 10 fence up. There's a couple of outbuildings, I 11 believe. 12 MR. COFFEY: It's really good. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: The main thing is -- 14 and in addition to putting a police officer in 15 there, the -- you know, having them in these areas 16 for quick response. Where they are, you know, 17 kind of an on-call basis. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, remember, 19 too, these two are detectives. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: No, Wood is not. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, you have down 22 detective. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: If you put down -- oh, 24 maybe Detective Wood got promoted. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So if they're 113 1 detectives, they have to be in on occasion because 2 of what they're doing, not just out in the field, 3 except on a case. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. If they pay 5 this $100 a month, where is that $100 a month 6 going to go? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'd say it goes 8 into -- we can put it into our existing rental 9 which our grazing lands are on, you know, or we 10 can create another fund, but I'd rather see it 11 just go into the existing rental. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, they're 13 caretakers. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's lands and 15 properties of lands. We already established that 16 by resolution, that account. So it could go in 17 there, and then what it's utilized is for those 18 facilities. It's reserved for those capital 19 improvements or maintenance or whatever. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, the reason I 21 said no rent was because it was -- it would kind 22 of be like a -- 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I think we 24 need to get in the habit that there is some rent. 25 MR. COFFEY: I agree. 114 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I would make the 2 motion we agree to that, but with the $100 a month 3 rent. 4 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Well, you say 5 there's no maintenance on the land. How big is 6 the yard? Is it going to need to be maintained, 7 mowed? It's coming up on we're going to have to 8 start mowing weekly now. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: A 42-inch riding mower 10 at Dodd would take me probably about 45 minutes. 11 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'm asking. I 12 haven't been out there. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're small in 14 the back and then in front there's -- at the 15 Dodd. And it's very small on the Clark. The road 16 is right in front of Clark. 17 MR. COFFEY: I think they can handle 18 $100 a month, Lanny. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, they're getting 20 two nice houses, that's for dang sure. 21 MR. REDELK: That fund that we're 22 establishing could be used for maintenance. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's what we have 24 the resolution say. It's there, it's to be used 25 on those lands or those properties. 115 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Will you do a contract 2 on that for them? And a contract to be for -- 3 we're not going to do anything with that Dodd 4 property for two or three years, right? 5 MR. COFFEY: Right. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: I think the contract 7 should be effective immediately and run through at 8 least December of 2011. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I'll withdraw 10 that I was making the motion. You make the motion 11 and add all that. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: I make the motion that 13 we approve the request to move Detective O'Brien 14 into the Dodd residence, and Detective Wood into 15 the Clark residence, and that they pay a rental 16 fee of $100 a month, and that they will be 17 responsible for all utilities and maintenance of 18 the houses. And that's my motion. 19 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Committee, we 20 have a motion by Committeeman Lanny Asepermy that 21 we approve this request from the Comanche Nation 22 Police Department, that we authorize Detective 23 O'Brien to move into the Dodd residence, Detective 24 Wood to move into the Clark residence, and that 25 they pay a $100 a month rent, and that they be 116 1 responsible for maintenance and utilities. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And then I would 3 suggest that you add that those moneys be put into 4 that existing -- 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, and that you 6 draw up the necessary contracts to run at least 7 through December of 2011, the last day of December 8 2011. 9 MR. REDELK: I have a question before 10 we vote on it. It's a maintenance issue. You 11 know, what do we -- what are we talking about when 12 we're talking about maintenance? 13 MR. COFFEY: Repairs. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Like shingles, 15 roofing. But the lands -- 16 MR. REDELK: Are they insured? I'm 17 talking about the structure, the building, the 18 house they're going to be in. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: To my knowledge, 20 there's no insurance on either property. 21 MR. COFFEY: We have it under Ford, 22 Heinz. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: The structures are 24 probably included. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Because we've 117 1 listed all properties. It's insured. I take it 2 back. 3 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: What was the 4 contract term? For how long? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 2011. 6 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: What if something 7 goes wrong where we terminate one of these 8 employees? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: It can be part of your 10 contract. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We can put the 12 language in the contract, that if they're no 13 longer employed -- 14 MR. COFFEY: Do we have a second to 15 that motion, guys? 16 MR. REDELK: Second. 17 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 18 Committeeman Asepermy to authorize Detective 19 O'Brien to move into the Dodd residence, Detective 20 Wood into the Clark residence, for $100 per month 21 rent, and they are responsible for maintenance and 22 utilities, and that the moneys be placed into an 23 improvement maintenance account, and this 24 agreement to last until 2011. Second has been 25 made by Vice-Chairman Ron RedElk. Any further 118 1 discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor 2 signify by saying "aye." 3 (Aye.) 4 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 5 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 6 carried. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Now, everybody is 8 aware that the general manager at the Red River 9 Casino lives in that other house that belongs to 10 us on the east side of I-40, right? I-44, with 11 the corrals? You know he's living there, right? 12 That was part of the contract agreement. Are 13 y'all aware of that? 14 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I didn't know 15 that. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 17 MR. REDELK: No. 18 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Are you talking 19 about Rick? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Gaming made that 22 with him? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 24 MR. COFFEY: Committee, I give 25 y'all -- this is from Denver Abbott. I think 119 1 she'll have to appear before the Business 2 Committee next week, because this is a withdrawal 3 from a minor trust fund. So we'll call her next 4 week to come to the CBC meeting and set that aside 5 for her. 6 Then I've got one with regard to 7 Toqua Ticeahkie. He's asking for a $445 8 sponsorship for his trips to Fort Smith, Arkansas 9 and Joplin, Missouri, to play football for the 10 Lawton Rebels. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: You know, how much did 12 we give this man, Wallace, in the past? Didn't we 13 approve him for, like -- 14 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, we helped him move 15 to California because he was going to play 16 football with another group out there. 17 And then I don't know if you saw this 18 one, Robert, but it's from Shane Williams. "I, 19 Shane Williams, a member of the Comanche Nation, 20 am writing to request assistance with the 21 following: Two helmets, two blue T-shirts, two 22 pair of gray ball pants, two pair of red socks, 23 two pair of plastic cleats, two red belts, and two 24 entry fees." 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: She called me on 120 1 that. That's why it's addressed to me, and I 2 asked her to send it. I said we could look at it. 3 MR. COFFEY: That's $263.66. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: On Shane and Denise's 5 request, I don't think that fits under the 6 criteria. I think that's an individual family 7 responsibility and I recommend no action on that. 8 MR. COFFEY: Okay. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: By the way, I told 10 her that, too. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Don't be telling 12 nobody unless we say. And I also recommend that 13 we take no action on Mr. Ticeahkie. I think we 14 more -- 15 MR. COFFEY: I think so. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: I think we've more 17 than done -- 18 MR. REDELK: He's went to the well 19 quite often. 20 MR. COFFEY: Let me get your advice 21 on what you want to do with Julianna Brannum. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: I'll say what I think 23 I need to say. I was looking at her -- the other 24 contributors, like she got 15,000 here, 10, 37, 25 50, 10, 75, 58, she put up 10,000 of her own 121 1 money. She's a long way from getting 88. That's 2 why I asked her if she's got any other avenues. 3 She basically said there was two, but she couldn't 4 give us an amount. 5 And I'm looking at her cost per 6 minute. Now, I know that we gave Mr. Tosee 7 approximately $57,500 for that veterans' video. 8 That was our cost on that total. And we show 9 payment of 22,500 from the Nation, from the CBC, 10 and then three years later an additional 35,000. 11 So his has to do with 971 Comanches 12 who were veterans. Hers has to do with one 13 Comanche woman. So, you know, I don't know the 14 value here. I guess I should have asked her this 15 question. How many more -- how much longer will 16 it take. She said the project was half complete, 17 so -- 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Next year. 19 MR. BURSON: She said summer of 2010. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't know what to 21 say on this. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it fits the 23 criteria in some respects because it's going to 24 serve the national -- and she's a national 25 person. She's recognized nationally. 122 1 MR. COFFEY: And it's coming from 2 Comanche. I have a feeling that this little 3 girl's a go-getter, and she'll get it done whether 4 we give her anything or not. But I certainly 5 would like her to hear and for her to tell LaDonna 6 that the Comanche Nation contributed a certain 7 amount. It doesn't have to be all, it could be a 8 portion. Just like I want to help Comanche Boy, 9 or Allison Steinmeyer, because they're making a 10 name for us. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: What's our balance for 12 our charitable? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think we've spent 14 about 40. I would suggest something like 10, 15. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: I would say -- and 16 that's the exact number I thought about, was 10 17 now. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And then Mr. Coffey 19 said maybe next year we can -- 20 MR. ASEPERMY: But we need to 21 document it somewhere after 1 October. Actually, 22 I was thinking -- and I'm basing this on what 23 we've paid Mr. Tosee. I mean, we paid $57,500. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We did, a big 25 amount. 123 1 MR. ASEPERMY: But his production 2 costs were a lot lower than hers, and the video 3 was a third longer. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: She's working -- if 5 you read her resume, she worked on "Wounded Knee," 6 and that's a class production. And she's used to 7 having quality film and all that, and quality 8 people to do that, so it's going to be higher. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, are you saying 10 that Mr. Curtis is not quality? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'm saying it's 12 quality, but it's a different quality. 13 MR. COFFEY: You have to look at 14 whether it's been shown in a national audience. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, this other video 16 may be shown to a national audience. 17 MR. COFFEY: And it could be. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It may be, yeah. 19 It was a good film. 20 MR. BURSON: There's a difference 21 from the production cost, from what I saw, between 22 just the trailer you got to see, and I watched the 23 military DVD. She's got heavy on interviews, 24 heavy onsite, she's following people around. You 25 had some interviews in your military DVD, but 124 1 there were more interviews right here than there 2 were on that DVD. And that may be part of the 3 increase in cost, because it's on-location shots, 4 and going all over the place to catch these people 5 and talking to them. 6 MR. COFFEY: Well, she said she 7 wanted to go to where the Maoris were, she wants 8 to come back here, and those are out-of-pocket 9 expenses for her right now. 10 MR. BURSON: Whereas your military 11 DVD production didn't go halfway around the 12 world -- 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Not yet. 14 MR. BURSON: No, to produce it. They 15 did not go halfway around the world and shoot on 16 location in far reaches of the world. The footage 17 that they used on the DVD were archival footage 18 that they got from the military archives, you 19 know, showing the planes, and the black and white 20 photos, and the black and white newsreel stuff. 21 That's a lot cheaper to come by than actual 22 on-site shooting. 23 MR. COFFEY: That's like her with 24 Dick Cavett. That's footage, film historical 25 footage. 125 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, she's got Dick 2 Cavett. We got Wallace Coffey in ours. 3 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, but that warrior 4 show, this show, both of them have the potential 5 for national audiences. And they also have -- 6 there's an American Indian film festival every 7 year, and part of it is documentaries, and both of 8 them can be given consideration for a documentary 9 award. I'd like to see the Comanche name on 10 something. That's the whole thing. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: I make a motion we 12 approve $10,000 now, and have the option of 13 doubling that amount to $20,000 with our FY '10 14 budget for a total contribution of $30,000. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Oh, you're saying 16 double, so it'd be 10, 20, total of 30? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. And I'm saying 18 this kind of based on what we gave Mr. Tosee, and 19 that's about half of what he got. And, you know, 20 you try to be fair with one or the other, and 21 that's still short of what he was paid. And by 22 the way, Mr. Tosee was not paid a salary at all. 23 As a matter or fact, he mortgaged his house to 24 finish that. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's what she 126 1 does, too. 2 MR. COFFEY: A motion is made to 3 approve $10,000 for present, and the option to 4 double in FY 2010 budget in the amount of $20,000, 5 for a total of $30,000 for her project. Do we 6 have a second? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I would ask that 8 you put in there what the item is. You know, name 9 the -- name of the film. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: For the "LaDonna 11 Harris: INDIAN 101" project. 12 MR. COFFEY: Motion to approve 13 $10,000 for the "LaDonna Harris: INDIAN 101" 14 project, with the option to double this amount in 15 2010 budget in the amount of $20,000, for a total 16 of $30,000 for Julianna Brannum. Do we have a 17 second? 18 MR. REDELK: I'll second that motion. 19 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 20 and seconded by Vice-Chairman Ron RedElk. Any 21 discussion, Committee? Hearing none, all those in 22 favor signify by saying "aye." 23 (Aye.) 24 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 25 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 127 1 carried. 2 Let's go home. 3 MR. REDELK: I think we're going to 4 have an issue come up on housing rental. With 5 that, you know, if Rick is getting free and we're 6 charging these, I think there's going to be an 7 issue brought up. 8 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yeah, but he sits 9 in a different capacity than they do. He's over 10 several hundred employees. 11 MR. REDELK: I still think it's going 12 to be an issue. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, that's part of 14 the contract. And the reason I didn't want to 15 charge a rent -- have you got that letter from 16 Vernon? Did you read this? I put mine somewhere. 17 Can I read part of that? 18 It says, "Prior arrangements have had 19 the officers reside in the residence with the 20 agreement that the -- and forego any rent to have 21 the criminal investigators near the Tribal 22 community and gaming entities." How many 23 Comanches we got in Indiahoma? How many Comanches 24 have we got in Cache? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Remember, they're 128 1 detectives, too. They're different than police. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: They can still react. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They can react, but 4 they really do detective work, if you see what 5 they're doing. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: You know what? I 7 never thought about that, Ron. 8 MR. REDELK: Well, I didn't, until I 9 heard what he was saying there. Well, y'all 10 already decided. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, the motion's 12 passed. 13 MR. REDELK: Sorry I brought it up. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You warned us of 15 something. I don't know what it is, but -- 16 MR. REDELK: It could be. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, it could 18 be something. 19 MR. BURSON: The farm down on Harris- 20 Hooper, that, I guess, the new general manager is 21 staying in, I know we drafted a lease for them to 22 pay -- the Gaming Board pays $200 a month for that 23 property. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: The Gaming Board pays 25 it? 129 1 MR. BURSON: They're paying the 2 Nation $200 a month for the house down there. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're paying the 4 Nation? 5 MR. ASEPERMY: We're giving them a 6 deal, then. We're only half. 7 MR. REDELK: That will resolve the 8 issue. 9 MR. BURSON: I don't know if it got 10 executed, but all I know is -- 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We'll follow up on 12 that. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Do you need them to 14 draft up the lease on those two properties? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have some 16 leases, but I would like to look at the lease that 17 you have for that one. Especially I want to see 18 where the money's been. 19 (Off-the-record discussion.) 20 MR. ASEPERMY: I make the motion to 21 approve travel for the Chairman. 22 MR. COFFEY: To testify before the 23 Health & Human Services. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: In the House? 25 MR. COFFEY: Before HHS. 130 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Oh, before HHS. 2 Okay. 3 MR. COFFEY: And this is approval to 4 testify before the HHS. Motion made by Lanny. Do 5 we have a second? 6 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second. 7 MR. COFFEY: Motion made by Lanny, 8 seconded by Darrell Kosechequetah to approve the 9 Chairman's travel to testify before HHS. This 10 will be next week on the 27th, 28th, 29th. And a 11 second has been made by Darrell Kosechequetah. 12 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 13 (Aye.) 14 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 15 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 16 carried. 17 We're adjourned. 18 (Meeting concluded at 4:11 p.m.) 19 20 21 22 * * * * * * 23 24 25 131 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) 4 ) 5 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 6 7 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 8 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 9 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 10 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 11 that the meeting was held on April 23, 2009, in 12 the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney 13 for nor a relative of any said parties, or 14 otherwise interested in the event of said action. 15 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 16 my hand and seal of office on this the 14th day of 17 May, 2009. 18 19 20 __________________________ Kelly Stoabs 21 Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of Oklahoma 22 23 24 25 132 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 12:43 p.m. on April 23, 2009, and that the meeting 8 was duly called and held in all respects in 9 accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25