1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 8 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 9 RECONVENED MEETING 10 TAKEN APRIL 16, 2009, 11:06 A.M. 11 COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 12 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 __________________________________________________ REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR 23 DODSON REPORTING & ASSOCIATES 435 NORTH WALKER, SUITE 102 24 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA 73102 (405) 235-1828 ~ (405) 235-1266 (FAX) 25 dcri@coxinet.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Wallace Coffey, Chairman 5 Ronald RedElk, Vice-Chairman 6 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer 7 Edmond Mahseet, Committeeman #1 8 Lanny Asepermy, Committeeman #2 9 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 10 Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4 11 LEGAL COUNSEL: 12 Kirke Kickingbird, James Burson, John Plata 13 Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 14 15 16 * * * * * * 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS PAGE 2 Meeting called to order at 11:06 a.m. 5 3 Resolution Number 55-09 tabled until May 5 because of advertising for vacancies on 4 Revolving Loan Fund Board. 5 Motion passed to approve Resolution 5 Number 56-09/Enacting a New Gaming Ordinance. 6 George RedElk commended for his 20 7 military service. 8 Off the record from 11:47 a.m. to 2:41 p.m. 39 9 Motion to approve Resolution Numbers 60-09 39 to 66-09. 10 Motion passed to approve Resolution 41 11 Number 67-09, delegating to the Comanche Nation Gaming Board of Directors the 12 authority to utilize capital improvement funds currently held in investment on behalf 13 of the Comanche Nation Casino for casino capital improvements in compliance with 14 Comanche law. 15 Motion passed to authorize payment of $32,000 45 to Mr. Ramsey for architectural services 16 regarding the assisted living center and for final accord and satisfaction. 17 Motion passed to authorize payment in the 48 18 amount of $1000 to $1500 for the appraisal of Modahwah property. 19 Motion passed that no CBC member shall be 56 20 a voting member or officer of any of the Comanche boards, commissions or councils, 21 except for the KCA Land Use Committee, given all such entities will be reporting to the 22 CBC and evaluated annually by motion previously passed. 23 Motion passed approving the request for Alex 73 24 for her dance on Friday, May 1, 2009. 25 Meeting recessed until April 23, 2009. 74 4 1 (Meeting called to order at 2 11:06 a.m.) 3 MR. COFFEY: First item on the 4 agenda, Resolution Number 55-09. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I ask that we hold 6 that, table it again until May. 7 MR. COFFEY: Until May? Okay. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 9 MR. COFFEY: Because you're 10 advertising for those vacancies. Resolution 11 Number 55-09 is tabled until May because we're 12 advertising for those vacancies on the Revolving 13 Loan Fund Board. 14 Resolution Number 56-09, Enacting a 15 New Gaming Ordinance. "Whereas, the Comanche 16 Business Committee adopted the Gaming Ordinance in 17 December 2005 and now desires to improve the 18 ordinance by enacting recodified and amended 19 ordinance based upon the recommendations of the 20 Comanche Nation Gaming Board of Directors and the 21 Comanche Nation Gaming Commission. 22 "Now therefore be it resolved that 23 the Comanche Business Committee ordains the 24 enactment of the attached Gaming Ordinance as 25 amended; provided that such new Gaming Ordinance 5 1 shall not become effective until approved by the 2 National Indian Gaming Commission. 3 "Be it further resolved that the 4 Business Committee directs the Chairman to obtain 5 approval of said ordinance by NIGC. 6 "Be it further resolved that 7 immediately upon receipt by the Chairman of 8 written notification from the NIGC approving the 9 aforesaid and attached Gaming Ordinance, the 10 Gaming Ordinance enacted pursuant to Resolution 11 Number 103-05 on December 3, 2005 shall be deemed 12 repealed and of no further effect, and 13 concurrently, that the new Gaming Ordinance shall 14 be deemed in full force and effect." 15 William, Jim? 16 MR. BURSON: Yes. 17 MR. COFFEY: In particular, what are 18 we amending? 19 MR. BURSON: Actually, it's fairly 20 extensive. This was discussed to some degree 21 March 14th on Saturday afternoon after the 22 multiboard meeting. This version incorporates 23 changes that the CBC wanted to see in the way 24 board members were appointed. 25 In addition, it also contains a 6 1 correction to, or a calcification of how the 2 expenses of the Gaming Board and the Gaming 3 Commission will be reflected in your audits and in 4 your accounting for those expenses to come out 5 ahead of the RAP calculations. 6 In addition to that, it has been 7 totally recodified. It's got a different 8 numbering scheme, it's been divided into chapters 9 instead of it just being a single flowing 10 section. The various topics of the gaming 11 ordinance, covered by the gaming ordinance, are 12 divided into chapters. A general provision 13 chapter, that being the first one. Second chapter 14 is the Gaming Board chapter. Third chapter deals 15 with Gaming Commission provisions. Fourth chapter 16 deals with licensing. Fifth chapter is ethics. 17 Sixth chapter is your Employee Board of Review. 18 To some degree, Chapters 2 and 3, 19 dealing with the Board and the Commission, try to 20 parallel each other in the way they're laid out. 21 You go through the establishment of each body, 22 what they are, who they are, how they're formed, 23 what their terms are, how they function, what 24 their powers are, what the responsibilities are. 25 And the licensing provisions are 7 1 virtually unchanged, because so much of licensing 2 is guided and mandated by the IGRA and regulations 3 of the NIGC, that that section is mostly 4 unchanged. The ethics section is mostly 5 unchanged, except for a few minor provisions. I 6 just need to get it up here. You got a little 7 ahead of me. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: You know what? I 9 didn't bring my draft of that. Did anyone bring 10 theirs? I thought I did. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The original? 12 MR. ASEPERMY: The original draft. 13 There was a number of changes on there, Wallace, 14 and we discussed them with Oscar. And, also, 15 didn't we discuss them with the Gaming Board? 16 MR. COFFEY: With Jim, too. Yes, we 17 did. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: And this is the final 19 product that the three of us agreed to, right, 20 Jim? 21 MR. BURSON: Yes. Like I said, it 22 incorporates those changes on how the -- there's a 23 lot of discussion on how the Commissioners and the 24 Board of Directors were to be appointed; to go 25 through an advertisement, a resumè, let you all 8 1 see the resumès ahead of time, and then select 2 appointments from based upon the resumès. That's 3 all incorporated in this ordinance and it's quite 4 extensive. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Now this has been 6 discussed with the Gaming Commission and with the 7 Gaming Board. 8 MR. BURSON: Yes. This is a product 9 that has been in development for the better part 10 of a year, maybe even a little over a year. 11 MR. NORMAN: Over a year. I think we 12 started in February of last year. 13 MR. BURSON: Of discussions between 14 -- we have sit-down discussions where we 15 concentrate on the gaming ordinance, the current 16 gaming ordinance, how it was working, where some 17 of the better provisions could be put in, where 18 some things are maybe a little superfluous. And 19 between the Commission having tested your current 20 gaming ordinance with actual real world 21 experience, this ordinance seeks to correct some 22 of the weaknesses of the prior ordinance, and 23 clarify provisions that were unclear in the prior 24 ordinance based upon the practice and the 25 experience between both the Gaming Commission in 9 1 utilizing the ordinance and the Gaming Board, and 2 it's coming from its angle on operations. 3 This is a product of going back and 4 forth between the Commission and the Board, each 5 one reviewing the ordinance periodically based 6 upon the changes or recommendations of the other 7 body. That process flip-flopped back and forth 8 probably four times over the year. The Commission 9 would say we think these provision need to be 10 changed, the Board would look at it. They say 11 okay, yeah, and in addition to that we think these 12 provisions need to be added in or changed. And 13 then the Commission would then look at it and say, 14 yeah, we agree with some of those, or no, those 15 are -- let's tweak these things a little bit. So 16 it's really a product of the two bodies working 17 this ordinance over and over, and then finally at 18 -- near the end, they sat down together and worked 19 through a final draft of it. 20 That draft was presented to you all 21 on March 14th with some of the ensuing discussions 22 and the issues that were brought up concerning the 23 RAP audit where Chas pointed out the way the 24 auditors were accounting for your Commission 25 expenses, it was going to cost you a lot more. 10 1 MR. COFFEY: And the surveillance? 2 MR. BURSON: Yeah, because of the 3 surveillance. But they'd been doing that for a 4 couple of years because of lack of clarification 5 on doing it any other way, and so this ordinance 6 fixes that to the way you said you wanted it to be 7 going forward. From that discussion, we fixed 8 this version to require the auditor to account 9 for -- 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Make it an 11 operational? 12 MR. BURSON: Make it an operational 13 expense ahead of the RAP, which shouldn't be a 14 problem going forward at that point once you fix 15 it here. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You know, Jim, we 17 passed that motion the last meeting where the 18 commissions and the boards will have to present, 19 you know, performance standards to us, and we make 20 an evaluation, the CBC evaluates performance by 21 that document and with that relationship. How 22 does that stand in this ordinance? 23 MR. BURSON: Now, that -- those 24 particular provisions were not drawn into this 25 particular version of the ordinance. 11 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know. 2 MR. BURSON: It's something we can 3 add, if you like. 4 MR. NORMAN: I guess what you need to 5 think about there is, how flexible do you want to 6 be moving forward as this body changes in being 7 able to revise those standards. Because it's a 8 pretty significant undertaking to get the 9 ordinance approved at this level with everybody 10 agreeing to it, and then to get the NIGC to sign 11 off on it. 12 And so what you get in your NIGC- 13 approved ordinance are things that you want to 14 have that are going to not need any change or 15 revision for a period of time. 16 And part of the reason for this 17 exercise was, we actually sort of got the prior 18 one crammed down our throat with the threat of 19 you're going to get shut down. Here's our model 20 NIGC ordinance. Adopt it, separate out your 21 Commission, separate out your management board, 22 and maybe you can save yourselves. And so this is 23 an effort to sort of fix some of the issues that 24 were involved in that. 25 But if you do things like -- like I 12 1 know sometimes, some of the early ordinances we 2 saw, they set rates for certain things, and those 3 become obsolete over a period of a few years, and 4 then you have to go back and try to go through the 5 process. So if you want the standards to be 6 flexible moving into the future, you probably want 7 to set those out as a different piece that the CBC 8 passes and gives and requires the Commission and 9 the Board to comply with. If you include it in 10 here, it's going to be difficult to change it. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't think we 12 necessarily have to include it. I just want to 13 make the point that, you know, it's there. I 14 don't see a complication to the ordinance. It's 15 just that the CBC, then, will require those two 16 bodies to present their, you know, objectives, and 17 then they're rating them, which has never been 18 done. 19 MR. COFFEY: Well, they brought us 20 this far, because they both agreed and sat down 21 and agreed to these new ordinance modifications, 22 correct, William? 23 MR. NORMAN: Yes. 24 MR. COFFEY: And they both agreed to 25 these changes. But what is not included in these 13 1 changes is just what he said. If the CBC has to 2 make a decision on behalf of the Gaming Board or 3 Gaming Commission, our recommendation is that they 4 sit down together and get it done. If not, we 5 will make a decision. Is that what you're saying 6 to us? 7 MR. NORMAN: Well, when you're 8 talking about, I guess, evaluating how well they 9 are performing, you have the authority to require 10 them to provide you certain information about the 11 things that they are charged to do under Comanche 12 law as your sort of general mechanism of 13 oversight, and your ability, also, to place people 14 on or pull people off those commissions or 15 boards. 16 So I guess what I'm saying is, that 17 can be a living document separate and apart from 18 the ordinance. And as this body changes, you may 19 have different priorities that you have that you 20 want them to report on, and you can just adjust it 21 as you go along. You have that authority. The 22 question is coming up with it and informing those 23 two entities this is how we are going to evaluate 24 what you're doing against the backdrop of what 25 you're charged to do under the law. 14 1 MR. COFFEY: Committee, is there 2 anything that you want to discuss? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: There's only one item 4 here on page 9, and Clyde brought it to my 5 attention. It's Section 203, Director Terms, and 6 I just need a consensus from the CBC. Do we want 7 to do without limitations, or do we want to put a 8 two-term limitation on that? Section 203, page 9 9. They may be -- and it has to do with the term 10 of -- they're put in for three-year terms, 11 staggered. A director may be reappointed, and it 12 needs to say "reappointed by the CBC," and it 13 doesn't say that. And do we want a limitation or 14 do we want two three-year terms? I think the 15 words "may be reappointed by the Comanche Business 16 Committee" need to be added to that. And do we 17 want a limitation or let them do this forever? 18 And I think to keep up with the consistency -- 19 MR. NARCOMEY: Limitation. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you know, Vickie 21 Sanders brought up a very good point. When 22 they're put in there, they learn and they gain all 23 this experience, so I'm kind of leaning towards -- 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, they don't go 25 out the same time, you see, so you always have a 15 1 continuum of experience. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, what I'm saying 3 is, do they serve six years, or three years, or as 4 many years as we reappoint them? I say let them 5 have an unlimited -- 6 MR. NORMAN: At this point, it's 7 unlimited. And I guess my thought about that, 8 having worked with the Board, having worked with 9 the Commission is -- and working in this area 10 generally with other tribes, there is a real 11 learning curve that the operations have to go 12 through. 13 Because not only do they need to know 14 the business and have the right policies and 15 procedures and figure out how to market and make 16 the business effective, they have to understand 17 all of the regulations that they're responsible 18 for through the Commission and through the NIGC. 19 And if they don't do that right, you've got a 20 problem. We've seen that with the IRS, we've seen 21 that with some of the other stuff, so -- 22 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, my thought is, 23 without limitation on the number of terms, but 24 reappointed by the Comanche Business Committee. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We talk about 16 1 lifeblood, this being something like that. Well, 2 to have lifeblood, you have to keep mentoring and 3 training and equipping people to take over. So I 4 think we have to look at something within the 5 scope of what they do is they mentor someone and 6 we develop people. 7 There's a lot of young people. Look 8 at our demographics. We're going to have a great 9 sector that's going to be young, or that's young 10 Now, and they're going to be coming up. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: That doesn't mean that 12 other people can't apply or be nominated. It's 13 our decision to appoint. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But you can quickly 15 be loose about that: Oh, well, they're doing a 16 good job, just like you're saying. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, by God, why 18 change something if it's working? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, but I think 20 we've got to keep graduating people into this. 21 That's what I'm saying. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: That option is still 23 there even without the limitation. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But if you have a 25 term, in theory, you make sure you begin to equip 17 1 someone. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: The option is still 3 there without the limitations. That's what I say. 4 MR. COFFEY: Right. And it's based 5 upon the Board's consent. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: And you get someone 7 else in there that's a -- you know, what I'm 8 saying, Robert? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I understand that, 10 we have the option to remove, but I just would 11 like to see them equip others. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: I think we should 13 approve this with the wording on Section 203, "may 14 be reappointed by the Comanche Business 15 Committee," and my recommendation is to keep it 16 without limitation on the number of terms. Now, 17 if y'all agree with that, fine. If you don't, 18 that's fine, too. Any other changes, I think it's 19 all good. It's been discussed by the Board and 20 the CBC. We've had this 45 days. 21 MR. NORMAN: Lanny, they're appointed 22 by the CBC in the first place, so we can put that 23 language there. But the ordinance already 24 requires that you're going to do the reappointing, 25 it just doesn't specifically say it in that 18 1 location. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, does it need to 3 be said? 4 MR. NORMAN: It doesn't need to be. 5 It doesn't hurt, but it's not necessary. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: From reading it, I 7 think it needs to be in, and I think Clyde -- 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So what's your 9 section? 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Section 203, page 9. 11 MR. COFFEY: What that does is add 12 some stability, and that's what we need right now. 13 I think that what they presented to us is a good 14 concept, and it's very well-intentioned, because 15 of the competition we're having just up the street 16 from here. 17 And everybody knows that we have to 18 do something. Everybody's telling us, you know, 19 "I'm going over to Fort Sill Apache. They got the 20 best food." I don't see it that way, but I don't 21 want to lose any of our customers either. Because 22 it's eventually going to get to be a hotel over 23 there, we're going to lose our customers. The 24 best thing for us is just to maintain our 25 stability and improve our facilities. 19 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Before we go any 2 further, George RedElk, I'd like to -- this will 3 just take me a minute. George, come up here. 4 This is George RedElk. I want to 5 present him with his ribbon rack. He is one of 6 five Comanches who was awarded the Silver Star. 7 If you notice here, he also has a Purple Heart. 8 Altogether, he's got 30 awards and decorations. 9 His father was Roderick RedElk, a 10 Comanche Code Talker. His father fought in five 11 campaigns in World War II. George fought in four 12 in Vietnam and two in the Persian Gulf War. So I 13 would like to thank you for your service to God 14 and country. 15 He is -- what's that contrary warrior 16 called? This is him. Reckless abandon. Can't 17 calm him. He fought until he passed out and he 18 was awarded the Silver Star. He was knocked out, 19 don't remember what he done, but other people saw 20 what he done. Sent him to Japan, could have went 21 back to the States, but he didn't. And he will be 22 joining our Chairman, our princess, and LaNora in 23 Washington, D.C. to represent the Nation. And, 24 again, thank you for your service. 25 MR. COFFEY: Is there any further 20 1 discussion on this resolution here? That 2 resolution is an enactment of the new gaming 3 ordinance. 4 I entertain a motion to approve 5 Resolution Number 56-09, the Resolution of the 6 Comanche Business Committee Enacting a New 7 Comanche Nation Gaming Ordinance. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: I make that motion, 9 Mr. Chairman. 10 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 11 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. Do we have a second? 12 MR. NARCOMEY: I second, 13 Mr. Chairman. 14 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made and 15 seconded. Do we have any further discussion, 16 Committee? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: I'd like to amend the 18 motion to page 9, Section 203, to include the 19 Comanche Business Committee and leave everything 20 else as is. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: To add reappointed 22 by the Comanche Business Committee? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. 25 MR. COFFEY: You want to amend your 21 1 motion on page 9, Section 203, which will include 2 the Comanche Business Committee will appoint? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, they appoint. 4 MR. COFFEY: And the limitations will 5 remain the same? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, sir. 7 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Narcomey, do you 8 agree with that change? 9 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes. 10 MR. COFFEY: The motion agreed to 11 with the change on page 9, Section 203 which 12 included said change. Any further discussion, 13 Committee? Hearing none, all those in favor 14 signify by saying "aye." 15 (Aye.) 16 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 17 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 18 carried. 19 Resolution Number 57-09, this is in 20 reference to amendment to the Election Ordinance. 21 "Article VI § 7(b) of the Comanche Constitution 22 empowers the Business Committee to conduct 23 elections for the Nation and desires to improve 24 the election process by amending the ordinance in 25 part upon the recommendation of the Comanche 22 1 Nation Election Board. 2 "Now therefore be it resolved, the 3 Comanche Business Committee ordains the enactment 4 of the attached Election Ordinance as amended 5 which shall be effective immediately. 6 "Be it further resolved, that the 7 Comanche Business Committee directs that the 8 Comanche Nation Election Board to conduct the 9 Nation's elections in accordance with the 10 provisions of this Election Ordinance forthwith." 11 You should have a copy of this 12 ordinance. And Mr. Asepermy, did you say you 13 wanted to include these options under 3(b)? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, but we need to 15 see if we want to do one of these, option 1 or 16 option 2, as far as compensation, because the 17 compensation is unclear. And I asked Jim and 18 William how can -- if we do vote on this 19 compensation, either option 1 or 2, how can this 20 be incorporated into the ordinance? 21 MR. BURSON: You want me to answer 22 that? 23 MR. NORMAN: Well, you don't have the 24 requirements, like we just discussed with the 25 gaming ordinance where you have to get approval 23 1 from an outside entity like the federal 2 government. You still kind of have the same 3 issue, that you would be agreeing -- rather than 4 by resolution or a regulation of some sort, you 5 would be placing within your law the specific 6 funding requirements which will go out and will 7 continue to be the law and what they get paid, 8 unless and until the CBC determines at a later 9 date to amend them all. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: We're working off a 11 memo right now, a piece of junk memo that was 12 given to us by the Election Board Chairman. And 13 that junk memo was a result of another junk memo 14 that they gave us. This clearly defines what they 15 will be paid as far as compensation. And on the 16 new ordinance, if you go to page 5, under -- I 17 believe it's under H. It says compensation, and 18 y'all can read it. It doesn't say -- but how do 19 we incorporate this, if we vote on it? 20 MR. NORMAN: I mean, we can simply 21 add this to an appropriate provision within the 22 ordinance and, you know, it will become codified 23 with the rest of the amended law. 24 I think the bigger issue is, which 25 one are you interested in? Option number 1 is 24 1 very detailed, and might be viewed as taking into 2 account more circumstances and may ultimately be 3 viewed as more fair. It probably is an accounting 4 and administrative nightmare because of the 5 different variations associated with it. 6 Option number 2 is very clean and 7 simple for everybody on each side. It may cause 8 people to be less interested in being a member of 9 the Election Board. So you've got to sort of 10 weigh those interests that you have and which ones 11 are more important in figuring out which option 12 you want to go with. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: And the reason I 14 brought this up, Committee, I did bring it up in 15 October of '07 and it was -- no action was taken. 16 Currently you have an Election Board whose annual 17 salary is $23,000. You have another one with an 18 annual salary of 20,000 plus, another one with an 19 annual salary of 14,000 plus, and it just goes on 20 and on. 21 What this does, it -- when I look at 22 it, I think we funded the Election Board 285,000. 23 If either option is put into place, and we paid 24 Mr. Rainy to do the elections and the runoffs and 25 the General Council and a recall, this would 25 1 reduce the budget for the Election Board to a 2 minimum of about 167,000. That is a -- as William 3 puts, a savings of over $100,000. And right now 4 we are in a crunch for funding. 5 And I think that -- and I'll give you 6 a perfect example. Charles Wells, I told y'all in 7 February, he got paid for four meetings, three 8 special meetings, one ordinance meeting, one CBC 9 meeting, and two office calls. And I thought we 10 hired a clerk so we would get away from the office 11 calls. 12 So before we do the ordinance thing, 13 and we know how you're going to implement it, 14 right, Mr. Chairman? I don't know what the proper 15 protocol for this is. Do I make a motion that we 16 vote on option number 1 or option number 2 or we 17 don't do anything? 18 MR. COFFEY: Committee, you have 19 before you two options. Do we want to include 20 these options on Section H? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You know, when you 22 -- this ordinance, we want it to stand. You know, 23 our attorneys were saying this earlier. You want 24 something that stands for length of time and you 25 don't keep amending it. If you put in 26 1 compensation-specific numbers, you know, that 2 could be subject to change by different 3 individuals that come on the CBC. So it seems to 4 me, it's sort of said well here, because the CBC 5 does approve the budget. It says it in Section H, 6 you know, "in accordance with the budget and 7 regulation approved by the Business Committee." 8 MR. ASEPERMY: What page? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Page 5. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: In H that you were 12 citing. So they bring forward a budget proposal 13 like every one does and then we approve that. We 14 approve it for the respective fiscal year. So it 15 seems to me, that's the place that we would say 16 what we should choose, like option 1 or 2, or we 17 constrain it or we do whatever. It seems to me 18 it's better to do it in place than put these 19 numbers, 1 or 2 in here, because then it may be 20 subject to amending it off and on. 21 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: So is that just 22 done in a resolution form? 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Or as we approve 24 budgets. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: So how would we do 27 1 that, William or Jim? And the reason I'm not 2 asking you, John -- 3 MR. PLATA: No, I understand. 4 You can do it in a resolution a lot 5 easier and do it annually at a time that you 6 approve the budges, and rather than codify these 7 specific dollar amounts. It would be much more 8 simple, I think, and I think Bob had a good point 9 there. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: So do it by 11 resolution? That's your recommendation, 12 Mr. Chairman. Is that a good thing, if we do it 13 by resolution? 14 MR. COFFEY: I think so. I think 15 that it has to be done, because right now you're 16 at a point very critical. These guys may just 17 walk off on you. You know how they are. I want 18 to get this election done. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: This won't take effect 20 until -- I just need to know how we're going to do 21 it. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Let me give you one 23 thing, though, you know. When you look at the 24 constitution, the General Council approves the 25 budget. The General Council is all the voting 28 1 members. So when we come up with a proposal, 2 we're always subject to their saying no or yes. I 3 think we have to be stronger, the CBC, in 4 presenting budgets and say these are somewhat firm 5 budgets. We can't come in and keep on the floor 6 adjusting. "I want to add $500,000. I want to 7 deduct" -- see, that's what's happening to it now. 8 If you put it in here, you hold them to it, but I 9 think it's not a good place to do it because -- we 10 don't do other budgets that way. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: What y'all are 12 recommending is we do this by resolution, and it 13 wouldn't become part of the ordinance, correct? 14 MR. BURSON: I think that's what Bob 15 and John were saying. And that's the way it's 16 written. The way it's written now is that the CBC 17 would periodically establish the Election Board's 18 compensation and expenses in accordance with the 19 budget, like Bob was saying. Your budgeting 20 process, you should go through an exercise where 21 you say, well, how much are we going to pay these 22 people, what's our estimated number of hours 23 they're going to need to work, and how many -- all 24 right, so this is the budget we need to propose to 25 the Tribal Council. 29 1 Assuming that gets approved, then 2 that next fiscal year, that becomes the pay 3 scale. Whatever it was that went into your budget 4 calculations becomes the pay scale for your 5 Election Board, and then you just -- 6 MR. ASEPERMY: You know how we did it 7 before? They gave us a dam memo, and then they 8 changed the memo. I mean, we've got a piece of 9 junk right now on how they're compensated. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we all see 11 that. So I would say in the budget process, that 12 we need to say option 1 or 2, so to speak, that 13 becomes a budget, and that's what we propose as a 14 budget, and that's the budget we want to approve. 15 MR. COFFEY: I think what we need to 16 do is approve and amend this ordinance. Maybe in 17 our main meeting you, by resolution, adopt this 18 one as being compensation. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You can do it that 20 way as well. 21 MR. COFFEY: That's what I'm saying. 22 Is that the best approach, guys? I think -- I 23 don't think it needs to be spelled out in 24 Section H. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, I don't either. 30 1 MR. COFFEY: But I do think they need 2 to have something, a guideline that they can abide 3 by. 4 MR. BURSON: Absolutely. And this 5 ordinance says the CBC is going to set their 6 compensation. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: And we agreed to the 8 compensation they now have, unfortunately. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They sort of set 10 their own. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, and nobody said 12 nothing. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But now we can. 14 We're passing an ordinance where we can set their 15 budget. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 17 MR. COFFEY: You see what I mean? On 18 May 3rd, our May meeting. Then we can address 19 this compensation as -- 20 MR. ASEPERMY: And, Robert, will you 21 do the necessary paperwork, but in resolution 22 form; is that right? 23 Now, what we need to decide is, are 24 you satisfied with the two options? And if you 25 want to change these options, you're welcome to. 31 1 Any recommendations, do we go with option number 1 2 where we have it specifically for each thing that 3 they do, or do we give them a salary like us? And 4 if we give them a salary, it's a little bit more, 5 but it's supposed to include the General Council 6 meeting, primary, runoff, recalls, if we have any, 7 monthly meetings, and training. And they don't 8 get paid for special ordinance, emergency, CBC, or 9 any other called meeting, office duty, meals, 10 travel supplies, or any other costs related to 11 those items. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, option number 13 1 is a budget. You lay out how the money is to be 14 spent. That's a budget. 15 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, that's the best 16 option. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's the best 18 budget. So I think option 1 is the one we want. 19 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: It says what you 20 can do and what you can't do. 21 MR. PLATA: If you have all the 22 different numbered things, there's always going to 23 be something that comes up that doesn't fit in one 24 of these numbers. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, we may have two 32 1 recalls a year, but we may have two special 2 General Councils. But it said per General Council 3 meeting, per primary, per runoff, per recall. But 4 the monthly meeting is one meeting per month. The 5 training sessions are twice a year. And there's 6 nothing else involved with this. And it's 7 basically -- I think it's fair. I think we have 8 been taken advantage of by some of our members. 9 And even we have made things we're on the wrong 10 committee, you know. 11 MR. COFFEY: Jim, can you -- I don't 12 want this to be considered option 1 or option 2. 13 I think if we're going to act on it, we should 14 include this under Compensation for the Election 15 Board members shall be compensated for the 16 performance of his or her duties as a Board member 17 in accordance with a budget attached. Whereas, we 18 can, you know, clean this up and say per -- 19 instead of putting an option. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we wouldn't 21 put an option, we'd say a budget. I would suggest 22 going along with what H says. We'd just perform 23 what H is telling us to do. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Are we going to go 25 with option 1? Are we actually going to do this? 33 1 MR. COFFEY: I would do that. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: So would you prepare 3 -- and I think we should wait until -- 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: After the election. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: The election is the 6 16th. I think we should make this effective 1 7 June. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Following the 9 placement of new officers. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, and by the way, I 11 just want to mention this. Our officers were 12 nominated in an August Special Meeting, August 13 2006 Special Meeting, Special General Council. 14 The election was October the 18th, 2006, they were 15 sworn in on December the 2nd, 2006, so their three 16 years is up in December of '09. 17 Now, are we going to have another 18 Special General Council to elect them again, or 19 are we going to extend them out till General 20 Council in April? And they're all going to go. 21 Somehow we need to figure out a staggering term. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, the 23 constitution spells that out. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I'm just 25 presenting a situation that we have. We just need 34 1 to get it resolved. Do we extend them until 2 April? Do we have a Special General Council for 3 renominations? That's something for y'all to 4 think about. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know, I know. 6 MR. NORMAN: For Business Committee 7 vacancies, if you're four months out, you wait 8 until April. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You wait until the 10 next General Council. 11 MR. NORMAN: For election, that's not 12 covered. The question is, do you want to follow 13 that pattern, or do you want to -- 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It sounds smart to 15 follow the pattern. 16 MR. COFFEY: But you're saying that 17 their terms end in -- 18 MR. ASEPERMY: December. 19 MR. COFFEY: Well, in December, it 20 says you can't call a General Council meeting four 21 months prior to the General Council. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, so you can't 23 have one. So, see, I don't think you should worry 24 about it. You just go to the General Council. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I think we need 35 1 something in black and white because we're not 2 following the rules. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The constitution 4 says. It's black and white. 5 MR. NORMAN: There's not a 6 prohibition on any General Council meeting four 7 months out. There's a prohibition on a General 8 Council meeting to replace a vacancy on the 9 Business Committee. That's the limitation. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, we know the 11 vacancy will occur for 12 Election Board members 12 in December of '09. 13 MR. COFFEY: You can't have a recall 14 four months before the General Council, can you? 15 MR. BURSON: Yes, you just don't 16 replace them. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: How are we going to do 18 this? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This is where we 20 should have it, to handle that issue you're 21 talking about on the Election Board. It has to be 22 in this as to how we would handle something if 23 they all expired at the same time. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: No, I'm talking about 25 -- okay, yeah, I understand. And they do all 36 1 expire at the same time. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So we have to make 3 something in here if that occurs, you know, it has 4 to be in here. If that situation occurs, what we 5 do about it. It has to be in here. Otherwise, 6 we're going to get in a jackpot. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Do we need to add that 8 to our ordinance? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We need to add that 10 to this. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: And another thing, are 12 you going to take care of -- 13 MR. COFFEY: What we're talking 14 about, if you must add this within the ordinance, 15 then it should be in the resolution, or are we 16 talking about a separate resolution specifically 17 for compensation? 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Separate for the 19 compensation. But when it comes to the term of 20 office, it should be in here. If they all expire 21 at some point, what do you do about that. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: So will you do a 23 resolution? Will you do a resolution on the 24 compensation? 25 MR. BURSON: Sure, sure. 37 1 MR. ASEPERMY: How are we going to do 2 that? Are they going to do it or can you do that? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I can do it. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Compensation we table 5 until the May meeting. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We table the whole 7 resolution until then. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah. And the changes 9 are, Robert, the compensation resolution, and then 10 we need to figure out in this ordinance -- 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How you replace 12 members if they all expire at the same time. 13 MR. BURSON: That was in the previous 14 ordinance, and y'all maybe didn't implement the 15 process to refresh your Election Board at the last 16 Tribal Council meeting when some of those terms 17 would have expired. There was staggering built 18 in, so this ordinance sort of assumes that that 19 staggering was in place already. 20 We can build in staggering, no 21 problem. It will only take five or 10 minutes. 22 But there are other decision points before you 23 go -- 24 MR. ASEPERMY: And if you go to page 25 4 on the ordinance, on D it says, "The Chairman of 38 1 the Election Board or Nation shall appoint Tribal 2 members." I think it should be Nation with the 3 approval of the Election Board or the CBC, and I 4 think that should read Comanche Business 5 Committee. And under F(1), I think the term 6 should be three years, not six. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, not six. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: And under F(2), any 9 Election Board member may serve only two terms in 10 succession. And under G(1), I don't understand 11 this, y'all. Legal experts? "A member of the 12 Election Board shall not be subject to removal 13 from office by the Comanche Business Committee 14 except for one or more of the following." Oh, 15 okay, I understand it now. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: See, because 17 they're elected. And the only way we can is if 18 they violate these. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Going back to page 2 20 under 3(b). 21 MR. BURSON: Excuse me. You're 22 rushing ahead with your recommendations. Also, 23 it's kind of hard for me to keep up with changing 24 it. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, let's just go to 39 1 page 2. Have you seen the highlighted part? 2 MR. BURSON: If you could, for 3 instance, back at -- you may want to consider 4 doing this off the record and then make your 5 changes and then come out and approve it. That's 6 your option, or you can still have her record 7 every word, but -- 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Kelly, off the record, 9 please. 10 (Off the record from 11:47 a.m. to 11 2:41 p.m.) 12 MR. COFFEY: I'll entertain a motion 13 to approve Resolution Numbers 60-09 to 66-09. 14 MR. NARCOMEY: I'll make that motion, 15 Mr. Chairman. 16 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 17 by Committeeman Narcomey to approve Resolution 18 Numbers 60-09 to 66-09. Do we have a second? 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 20 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made and 21 seconded by Committeeman Asepermy to approve 22 Resolution Numbers 60-09 to 66-09. Committee, any 23 discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor 24 signify by saying "aye." 25 (Aye.) 40 1 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 2 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 3 carried. 4 Now, Committee, I'll entertain a 5 motion to authorize the Gaming Board to proceed 6 with their action plan for expansion of the Lawton 7 casino. Do we have a motion to that effect? 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Would you read this 9 one, this language here, Mr. Chairman? 10 MR. COFFEY: You got it? Okay. This 11 is it. Okay. So you're going to put this in the 12 form of a resolution? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, in a 14 resolution. 15 MR. COFFEY: "Now therefore be it 16 resolved that the CBC hereby delegates to the 17 Comanche Nation Gaming Board of Directors the 18 authority to utilize capital improvement funds 19 currently held in investment on behalf of the 20 Comanche Nation Casino capital improvements and 21 complies with the Comanche law as necessary." 22 Okay. Do we have a motion to 23 approve? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: I make a motion. 25 MR. COFFEY: Motion made by 41 1 Committeeman Asepermy. Do we have a second? 2 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 3 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 4 Committee Lanny Asepermy to approve the resolution 5 that hereby delegates to the Comanche Nation 6 Gaming Board of Directors the authority to utilize 7 capital improvement funds currently held in 8 investment on behalf of the Comanche Nation Casino 9 for casino capital improvements in compliance with 10 Comanche law. A second has been made by Darrell 11 Kosechequetah, Committeeman. Do we have any 12 discussion? 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, is that 14 going to be 67-09? 66-09 was the last one we 15 approved. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It should be, but 17 I'd like to reserve that. 18 MR. NARCOMEY: That 11 billion, that 19 11. whatever we had, are they taking out the whole 20 thing? 21 MR. COFFEY: They're not going to 22 take it out. 23 MR. NARCOMEY: They're just going to 24 borrow the money. 25 MR. COFFEY: And that will be the 42 1 collateral; isn't that correct? 2 MR. NORMAN: Right, and it's subject 3 to the existing Comanche laws. So how they use 4 it, it's got to conform to limitations on waivers. 5 MR. NARCOMEY: This is for the 6 Comanche Nation Casino here, not Red River? 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, wait a minute. 8 Part of it is for Red River, a back of the house. 9 Part of it might be for the carpet and the 10 flooring, and the cable. Right here, these two 11 items here. 12 MR. NARCOMEY: That's not for the 13 hotel? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: No, absolutely not. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Not the hotel. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: Because I don't like 17 what I'm reading on this lawyer deal, Comanche 18 Nation CDST. That's separate. You say that's 19 separate. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: This is what Jim 21 talked about. 22 MR. COFFEY: Any further discussion? 23 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 24 "aye." 25 (Aye.) 43 1 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 2 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 3 carried. 4 What else you got, Robert? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Let me get my sheet 6 here. 7 (Off-the-record-discussion.) 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make the motion 9 to pay Mr. Ramsey $32,000 for Phase I of -- I 10 don't even know -- excuse me a minute. I don't 11 want to call it any -- make payment for work done 12 on a refuted contract or something. Do you follow 13 me? 14 MR. NORMAN: It could be a motion to 15 approve an accord and satisfaction. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Accord and 17 satisfaction, that's good. 18 MR. NORMAN: With -- I can't remember 19 his official -- 20 MR. BURSON: Ramsey & Associates. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, Ramsey & 22 Associates. For 32. 23 MR. NORMAN: For architectural 24 services. 25 MR. COFFEY: So we don't need to 44 1 include the assisted living center and all that, 2 Phase I. 3 So I have it to authorize the payment 4 of $32,000 to Mr. Ramsey for Phase I of assisted 5 living center for accord and satisfaction, so I'm 6 lost after that. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: For architectural 8 services. And we can end it there. 9 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Do we have a 10 motion to that effect? 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Can you say it one 12 more time, Wallace? 13 MR. COFFEY: A motion to authorize 14 the payment of $32,000 to Mr. Ramsey & Associates 15 for Phase I of assisted living center for accord 16 and satisfaction for architectural services. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And I guess we 18 should add it for the Elders, it's to be paid out 19 of the Assisted Living Fund. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: And that this is 21 final? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: And he has to sign 24 something saying that that's it. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: He'd have to sign 45 1 something and we have some accord and 2 satisfaction. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: I make a motion to 4 approve. 5 MR. NARCOMEY: Second. 6 MR. COFFEY: Okay. We have a 7 motion. I thought Robert made that motion. I 8 have a motion by Lanny Asepermy to authorize a 9 payment of $32,000 to Mr. Ramsey for architectural 10 services regarding the assisted living center and 11 for final accord and satisfaction. Seconded by 12 Clyde Narcomey, Committeeman. Any further 13 discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor 14 signify by saying "aye." 15 (Aye.) 16 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 17 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 18 carried. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That was for 20 architectural services, payment of the assisted 21 living? 22 MR. COFFEY: Yes, for final accord 23 and satisfaction. Motion carried. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. Then I have 25 a request from -- and this is outside as an 46 1 individual from Mr. Narcomey. Would we consider 2 paying the appraisal, which is an approximate 3 $1000. If we go in Lawton I think it's about 4 1000. I think they reduce it to barns in Lawton. 5 If we went to Chickasha, it's $1500. But, anyway, 6 it's going to be from 1000 to $1500 to pay for an 7 appraisal for the land that he has offered the 8 Nation for sale. I'm just bringing that out 9 because he's making a request for our 10 consideration to see if we would make that. 11 Now, when he visited with me on this, 12 I said if we purchase -- if we in deed came to a 13 place of negotiation and we purchased that 14 property, could we reduce this 1500 or whatever it 15 is from the sale and he said yes. 16 MR. COFFEY: So we're being asked to 17 pay for the appraisal? 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Up front. And then 19 it would be deducted if we purchased the land. So 20 we take some risk, because if we don't purchase 21 it -- 22 MR. NARCOMEY: From sale price. 23 MR. COFFEY: I'll put it down that 24 you made the motion, Robert, to authorize the 25 payment in the amount of 1000 to $1500 to be done 47 1 in Chickasha? Do you want to include that? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, to pay for the 3 appraisal. We'll make the choice of which one. 4 MR. COFFEY: For appraisal service. 5 MR. BURSON: What's the name of your 6 trust allotment, the trust allotment at issue? 7 MR. NARCOMEY: Is the land in trust, 8 you say? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, he's asking the 10 name. 11 (Discussion held off the record.) 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If you'll allow me 13 to add that later, I'll add it later in the 14 motion. I'll add it with the allotment number, 15 because we should always put the allotment number 16 on it, too. 17 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I just had a 18 question. Have we done this for other properties? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, we have done 20 it for others. To authorize the payment in the 21 amount of 1000 to 1500 for -- I'll put the trust 22 allotment name and number in there. 23 MR. NARCOMEY: I think I got it in my 24 pickup. I'll go get it here when we take a break. 25 MR. COFFEY: A motion by 48 1 Secretary/Treasurer Robert Tippeconnie to 2 authorize the payment in the amount of 1000 to 3 $1500 for the appraisal of Modahwah property. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I believe that's 5 correct, Modahwah. 6 MR. COFFEY: We have a motion. Do we 7 have a second? 8 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second. 9 MR. COFFEY: Okay. We have a motion 10 and a second. Any further discussion? Hearing 11 none, all those in favor signify by saying "aye." 12 (Aye.) 13 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 14 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 15 MR. NARCOMEY: Abstain. 16 MR. COFFEY: One abstention. 17 MR. NORMAN: I've got a quick update 18 on a hearing if you guys want to go off the record 19 for a minute. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Can we finish one 21 other resolution here? 22 MR. NORMAN: Sure. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I have another 24 resolution because we have a new organization plan 25 that we approved, and we also had a motion that 49 1 said we would request each of the boards, 2 councils, all those, like the college council, all 3 of them present to us information so that we can 4 get into evaluating their performance. So the CBC 5 will be evaluating performance by a motion that we 6 made previously. And we have the organization 7 where they're all sitting on the side, and that 8 they have a relationship with the CBC. So we'll 9 be evaluating boards and the college council and 10 committees. 11 The one exception would be KCA on 12 this motion. But the motion that I want to make 13 is that there be no CBC voting member or officer, 14 CBC voting member or officer on one of these 15 respective boards, council, or committee. 16 And the reason I say that is because 17 we're going to begin to evaluate their 18 performance. And if we're sitting on there as a 19 voting member, it's not appropriate. So I just 20 wanted to make that motion. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: But we can have 22 members of the CBC -- 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As ex officio, 24 nonvoting. So I say, voting or officer, so they 25 can be ex officio. With the exception of KCA, 50 1 because KCA is a different thing, so -- it has 2 officers. I think our Chairman is the chair of 3 that, so with the exception of KCA. 4 MR. NORMAN: Would the Tax Commission 5 fall outside of that? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, the Tax 7 Commission. 8 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Your motion, 9 since a new organization plan has been developed 10 and structured that will allow us the opportunity 11 to evaluate the performance of boards and 12 committees and/or commissions, and no CBC member 13 or officer shall be on these boards and committees 14 except for ex officio purposes. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: With the exception 16 of the Tax Commission and KCA. 17 MR. NORMAN: And your Gaming Advisory 18 Subcommittee. 19 MR. COFFEY: Do I need to include 20 them? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, you need to be 22 on the -- 23 MR. COFFEY: That would be excluding 24 these? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, that would be 51 1 excluding those three. 2 MR. COFFEY: Tax Commission, Gaming 3 Board and what? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: KCA. 5 MR. NORMAN: Not Gaming Board, Gaming 6 Advisory Subcommittee. 7 MR. COFFEY: Motion: Since we've 8 developed a new organization plan and structure, 9 that we'll be able to evaluate the performance of 10 the boards and committees and/or commissions, and 11 no CBC member or officer shall serve on these 12 boards and committees except for in an ex officio 13 capacity, excluding the Tax Commission, Gaming 14 Advisory Subcommittee and KCA Land Use Committee. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think you should 16 turn the wording around and say no CBC shall be a 17 voting member or officer or officer or voting 18 member. 19 MR. PLATA: I have a question real 20 quick on this motion. I think the charter of the 21 college, it requires the Chairman to be on the 22 college council, and probably someone else. I'm 23 not sure if any of the other councils or boards 24 have the same requirement, or if they also might 25 possibly have -- already have an evaluation 52 1 criteria. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They don't. And I 3 think what will happen if we pass this motion and 4 we're in some conflict, we'll have to visit with 5 them and correct that, or maybe come back and 6 adjust it. I'd like to see it in place, because 7 we have passed a motion to evaluate all these. 8 It's passed and approved. 9 MR. NORMAN: Can you leave the action 10 here open just enough so that we can double check 11 and make sure that there's not any one of these 12 that by its own law requires a CBC member on it? 13 We haven't thought of some off the top of our 14 head, I'm just concerned that we accidently miss 15 something today -- 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I know like 17 on the charter, see, we don't have one on there. 18 And the bylaws say we can't, and there's none 19 there. 20 MR. PLATA: Museum Board, does that 21 require somebody on the CBC? 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: No, it does not. 23 MR. NORMAN: Economic Development? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Ex officio. 25 MR. COFFEY: Can we put that on the 53 1 agenda for the 23rd? That way it will give them 2 an opportunity to look through it. 3 MR. BURSON: You've got an Employee 4 Review Board that by law requires a CBC member. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I accept that. I 6 don't want to include that. 7 MR. COFFEY: Now I'm confused. 8 MR. NORMAN: The Employee Review 9 Board for the gaming employees requires a CBC 10 member. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: No, we don't vote on 12 the college council, we are nonvoting members. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: On the previous 14 one, I'll spell the name of the allotment. 15 M-O-D-A-H-W-A-H. Oh, you have it? And you have 16 the number, Number 23? Put the number in there, 17 2325H. 18 MR. BURSON: It says the 10th member 19 of the -- shall be the Chairman of the Comanche 20 Nation, not more than two members may be Comanche 21 Business Committee members. That's the college 22 charter. College councils consist of 10 members, 23 one shall be the chairman, not more than two 24 members -- 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, by the way, the 54 1 college, I forgot, Wallace, it's a consensus. 2 It's not a yes or no thing. They do everything by 3 consensus. They don't say I make a motion that we 4 do this. They say what is the consensus. That's 5 how they do their business. 6 MR. NORMAN: Do you participate in 7 the consensus? 8 MR. ASEPERMY: I give input, but I 9 don't say yes or no. And I don't know, Wallace 10 makes his recommendations and so does Eddie. It 11 was my understanding, Wallace, that we are not 12 part of that consensus process, that we can only 13 recommend or -- 14 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, okay. Do you have 15 it written up, Robert? 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I do. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Can we let them do 18 that and present it to us on Thursday? Well, I 19 don't even think we should mess with this until we 20 get it in a resolution form, to be honest with 21 you. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: A resolution? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, this is a motion? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, I'm making a 25 motion. 55 1 MR. COFFEY: A motion that no CBC 2 member shall be a voting member or officer of any 3 of the Comanche boards, councils or commissions, 4 except for the KCA Land Use Committee. And now 5 therefore and given such entities will be reported 6 to the CBC and evaluated annually as motion and 7 passed previous -- 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As previously 9 passed motion. Yes. 10 Now, the thing I could add there, 11 unless it conflicts, you know, I could put in 12 there unless it conflicts with existing -- 13 MR. NORMAN: Unless otherwise 14 authorized by Tribal law. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, I wanted to 16 add that, too. 17 MR. NORMAN: You can stick that in 18 there where the KCA exception is. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, unless 20 otherwise -- 21 MR. NORMAN: Authorized by Tribal 22 law, and then we can figure out what the list is 23 and move forward. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, then we can 25 pass it. 56 1 I'm trying to get all these things in 2 order so when the new TA come in, new officers, 3 everything's getting better organized. 4 Whereas, a motion that no CBC member shall be a 5 voting member or officer of any of the Comanche 6 boards, commissions, councils, except for the 7 KCA Land Use Committee. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Or otherwise 9 approved by Tribal law. 10 MR. BURSON: That catches everything. 11 MR. COFFEY: Given all such entities 12 will be reporting to the CBC and evaluated 13 annually as motioned -- by motion previously 14 passed. Do we have a motion? Do you make that as 15 a motion, Robert? 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 17 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second that, 18 Mr. Chairman. 19 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 20 by Secretary/Treasurer Robert Tippeconnie, and a 21 second has been made by Committeeman Darrell 22 Kosechequetah. You got the motion, I got it 23 confused as to how it's read, but I know the 24 motion. All those in favor signify by saying 25 "aye." 57 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 4 carried. 5 What else, Robert? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. There's one 7 that I'd like to see if we could act on. You 8 know, Julie Brannum is making a film on La Donna 9 Harris. And the entire film costs way up over 10 $100,000, almost $200,000. But she has made a 11 request for us to consider would we fund part of 12 the film at a cost of $25,000. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: What's her name? 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Julie Brannum. 15 MR. COFFEY: B-R-A-N-N-U-M. That's 16 Marcie Mahsetky's daughter, Marcie and Annette 17 Mahsetky. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: She's made the 19 request and that's a Charitable Fund. If you 20 remember the criteria, you know, it can be 21 something broad which serves -- in this case, I 22 would say it serves in the criteria with the broad 23 scope. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: And the film is going 25 to cost $200,000? 58 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Near 200,000, and 2 she's getting moneys from other places. 3 MR. REDELK: Doesn't she have 4 something coming on public television? 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If you look at that 7 "We Shall Remain," the series coming on, she has 8 the last series, which is going to be on Wounded 9 Knee. She helped produce that part on Wounded 10 Knee. She's done things on Wounded Knee 11 previously. 12 MR. COFFEY: I didn't know that. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah. She's pretty 14 good. 15 MR. COFFEY: Do we want to authorize 16 it? Do we have a motion to that effect? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: I would say -- I would 18 say, how do we know that she is going to complete 19 this? That's my question. If we give her $25,000 20 and it's not done -- because none of us know her 21 personally, other than you, Wallace, probably. Do 22 you understand what I'm saying? 23 MR. COFFEY: Have her -- let's see if 24 we can contact her and have her come to the CBC 25 and show us. I think that'd be best. 59 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think she has 2 some kind of timeline on this, but I can do that. 3 MR. COFFEY: Next Thursday. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Next Thursday, see 5 if she can come? 6 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll contact her. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: I wonder how long this 9 is. Is it an hour, hour-and-a-half, is it a 10 documentary? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's going to be 12 like a documentary. You know what they cost? 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I know what the 14 veterans' cost, and it's generally -- the rule of 15 thumb is $1000 per minute. And if she wants 16 $200,000, is it going to be a 3 hour and 40 minute 17 video? 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It could be like a 19 film. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: If it's a film, it's 21 entirely different. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll get her to 23 come. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Does she live around 25 here? 60 1 MR. COFFEY: Norman. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: She wants to have 3 the whole life of La Donna. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: I'd like to meet her, 5 too, because of her work. 6 MR. COFFEY: She's a beautiful lady. 7 She used to be on our Election Board a long time 8 ago. 9 Is there anything else, Robert, 10 attorneys? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: One thing I want to 12 say is that I'm -- I'll bring it -- we'll bring it 13 up on the floor. It doesn't impact us as much. 14 In our 2010 budget it's down as KCA. You know, of 15 course some people ask why we even put the KCA on 16 there. But it's 250 when it should be 270, so 17 I'll just bring it up on the floor that it's 270. 18 MR. COFFEY: Well, whenever we 19 received our per capita payment, they set aside 20 20 percent for Apaches, 20 percent for the Kiowa, 20 21 percent for the Comanches, 20 percent for the KCA, 22 and 20 percent for per capita payment. That's how 23 that ended up. So we're just spending the 24 interest on the KCA. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The thing that 61 1 concerns me, though, when I look at the 20 2 percent, you know, because of the economy, all 3 those returns are down. 4 MR. COFFEY: Really? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're down. When 6 we used to think they were in the $200,000s like 7 this, you know, they're down to 190s now, 190, 8 193, that's the interest. And when we start going 9 up to 270 -- I'm bringing it up to you, whether I 10 should or not, I guess, because KCA's -- Mary 11 asked that. 12 But I keep saying we got to always 13 build it on interest, not on the principal. We're 14 eating up principal. We're eating up principal by 15 going to 270. Each of those tribes should be 16 talking about that, because you should see what 17 you're earning. It should be just interest. 18 Pretty soon if we keep eating the principal, we 19 have nothing left. And I think the past few 20 years, they've been eating up principal. 21 MR. BURSON: And even when interest 22 rates do return to maybe better levels, you've got 23 less principal for the interest to operate on, so 24 you're still -- if you keep at the same level, you 25 would still eat up your principal. 62 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So maybe ours 2 shouldn't be 250, it should be 190, I think. 3 MR. NORMAN: If you pass it at that, 4 then they can't exceed that, because that's, you 5 know -- the tribes have to -- 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have to live in 7 the interest. I don't know if the KCA is doing 8 that. 9 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, I don't know 10 either. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You should be 12 staying in interest. 13 MR. REDELK: I've got a question. 14 I've been asked several times where is the 15 assisted living moneys. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. The assisted 17 living moneys -- that's always a good question. 18 But assisted living moneys, this fiscal year we 19 have some money in the budget. 2010, as you see, 20 we have some in it. The only money aside from 21 that is about $281,000, which is set aside. We 22 set that aside previous years. It's in the bank, 23 set aside for assisted living. But that's all we 24 have. So you can see we have almost -- that's all 25 we have. 63 1 Assisting living situation is a big 2 question that I don't think we've been intelligent 3 about. Why I'm saying that, I'm not insulting us, 4 it's just that we all think we need this million 5 dollars. By the way, Mr. Wauqua has sat down with 6 the Elders and it appears that we could build 7 something that they would like if we do it on that 8 Lawson property. They've gone out there and 9 looked at it and they're okay with it, the Elders 10 are. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Where? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: On that golf 13 course. So if we go out and put it there, it will 14 cost something like -- anyway, it's less than 2 15 million. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: I don't think we ought 17 to build all the way out there. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: He took them out 19 there and they said it was okay. That's what he 20 told me. But, anyway, the question that I don't 21 think we've looked at is, where is the money going 22 to come from to operate it? 23 MR. COFFEY: That's right. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Where's the money? 25 All these nursing homes and assisted living homes 64 1 are folding up because they can't even make it. 2 It takes a lot of money to operate daily, 3 operating costs for operating and assisted living 4 center. 5 MR. COFFEY: Well, Saturday, they're 6 going to ask you how much money do we have in the 7 fund. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know. 9 MR. REDELK: What are you going to 10 tell them? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll tell them what 12 we have. 13 MR. REDELK: So the other years it 14 was passed it was not appropriated. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Remember, the other 16 years it was listed as nursing home. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't know where 18 that money is. 19 MR. REDELK: So it's evaporated. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It may not 21 necessarily have evaporated. I'm going to try to 22 track it with Finley & Cook. When we get our 23 audits, we get an audit without having the 24 financial audit complete concurrently. We're 25 getting some of those financial audits completed 65 1 now. So if there's any reserve in there, I'm 2 going to visit with them and see if there's any 3 reserve in that, in 2006 or 2007 financial. 4 MR. COFFEY: I don't think it's ever 5 been drawn down. Because if you ever draw it down 6 from the government, you have to have an agreement 7 with the bank, then you have to have a number that 8 they deposit it to. And it has to be done by the 9 Secretary/Treasurer or the Chairman. But when Ed 10 Tahhahwah was in here, he never did draw any of 11 the money down. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: It wasn't federal 13 money, was it? It was gaming money, right? 14 MR. COFFEY: No, that's 20 percent. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We never put this 16 money aside, except that 281 that one year. We've 17 drawn down money, but we've used the money for 18 other things. 19 MR. NORMAN: You used your cash to 20 pay for some of your federal programs. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we used it 22 for other things when we should have been putting 23 it aside for nursing. Put it in a CD. 24 MR. COFFEY: I don't know if I 25 remember a motion by the CBC authorizing the 66 1 drawdown of those 20 percent moneys. 2 MR. REDELK: I visited with an 3 assisted living establishment in Chickasha and 4 talked with their financial person. They have 33 5 clients. And their average monthly expenditure is 6 in the neighborhood of $60,000 a month. And she 7 also gave me a sheet with a telephone number and 8 regulations that all of -- that assisted living 9 would have to follow. So if the Elders Council 10 and/or Johnny is considering that, they should 11 have that information, because it spells out all 12 the regulations that they need to follow in 13 building, staffing -- 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I guarantee you the 15 Elder Council don't have nothing. 16 MR. REDELK: That was a ballpark 17 figure for operation costs. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How many occupants? 19 MR. REDELK: Thirty-three. 20 MR. BURSON: That figure is 21 consistent with the state-wide average. About 22 $2000 per resident for an assisted living is what 23 it costs to keep a resident in assisted living. 24 It's $2000 per resident. And that's right in the 25 ballpark of what -- it would be incumbent upon 67 1 this body to identify, if you're going to go 2 forward with an assisted living project, who is 3 going to come up with the $60,000 a month. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 60,000 a month. 5 And I think that's conservative. 6 MR. NORMAN: And a million dollars to 7 build it, and 850 or 720,000 a year up front. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think that's 9 conservative. 10 MR. BURSON: For 30 people. 11 Now, a lot of those assisted living 12 residents pay the 2,000 a month somehow out of 13 their pocket. Either their family, they come up 14 with it, their resources. If that's the way you 15 intend to run it, that's fine. You just need to 16 have that in a part of your business plan. If you 17 want to come stay at the Comanche Assisted Living 18 Home, you pay your way. We'll build it, but you 19 pay your way. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: But our people think 21 it's going to be free. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're thinking 23 that. 24 MR. BURSON: The assumption is that 25 it's supposed to be free for Comanches. Well, if 68 1 it's supposed to be free for the resident, then 2 somebody's got to bay the $60,000 a month. 3 MR. REDELK: And those costs also 4 rise with the services that are rendered. 5 MR. BURSON: Level of care. Yeah, 6 it's 2000 on average. It could be 1500, it could 7 be 3500, depending on how much care the person 8 has. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You'll probably 10 have even ambulatory, I would say in there. And 11 we think we are, but it's going to be assisted. 12 It's going to be ambulatory as well. Then you 13 have to have medical on staff. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: If you had the Elder 15 Council here and you explained all of this, what 16 we're explaining and talking about, they don't get 17 it. They will argue with you. And they don't 18 look at it is a business or a -- they just said -- 19 you know and then they think -- I mean, that's 20 just -- that's just a mindset. And I don't care 21 if you talk yourself blue in the face, they won't 22 understand what we're talking about. 23 And as far as the Elder Council, no 24 disrespect to your group, but, hell, we gave them 25 this task over 15 months ago. And to be honest 69 1 with you, they're not business-minded. They don't 2 know how to go about these things. Nobody on that 3 Elder Council knows how to do that. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, as I 5 understand again, Mr. Wauqua is telling them, 6 because I just visited with him this week about 7 it. He went out with them, and he showed them a 8 plan and the costs of things, and he took them to 9 the site, this is what he told me, and they're 10 okay with that site. And the building seems to be 11 okay with them, the architectural design. He 12 showed them the design. He showed me the design. 13 I looked at it as well. Not with them but 14 singly. 15 But, anyway, he says that's going to 16 -- what it's going to cost more or less. But to 17 me, that's just a small part of the equation. How 18 do you operate? Where's the money to pay for it 19 next year, next year, next year? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: They think they're 21 going to get Comanche LPNs because we have an LPN 22 program. They think it's going to be free, and 23 that's just the mindset. I mean, that's just the 24 way it is. 25 MR. COFFEY: My mother lives in a 70 1 nursing home, but it's not an assisted living 2 center. But a big portion of that will come to 3 this facility are those that need supervised 4 care. An assisted living center is not supervised 5 care. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: And you know what 7 their impression was? We got CHRs. They're going 8 to come there every day and they're going to do 9 your blood pressure, and they're going to do your 10 finger stick, and they'll do all that. And 11 someone's going to cook a meal right there. You 12 know what, is there a way that -- 13 MR. COFFEY: That's the reason why 14 you need a licensed facility already, not a brand 15 new one, because you can't get Medicare and 16 Medicaid. You have to fall under the state 17 requirements. And in addition to that, Health and 18 Human Services, they're going to make a 19 requirement that if an Indian person has an IM 20 account, you can't have no more than $2000 in 21 there every three months. 22 And so my mother went to 23 Medicare/Medicaid. HHS paid $2000 per month for 24 her to stay, and occasionally I bought her a new 25 television set and took the old one. 71 1 MR. ASEPERMY: It's the same thing 2 with Gary Tsotigh at the VA. Same rules. 3 MR. COFFEY: After a year, I'd buy 4 her a different chair, and then I'd put in 5 decorations at Christmas, or at Easter, at various 6 times, and those expenses, you know, helped keep 7 her IM account down. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: In check, yeah. 9 MR. REDELK: My father-in-law went 10 from an assisted living started about 1500 and 11 went to 2500 shortly before he moved to the 12 nursing home, and then it went up to 4,000, almost 13 5,000 before he passed away. So there's huge 14 expenses in those things that these people are not 15 even considering. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So when that kind 17 of issue comes forward, see -- it's hard to 18 explain it, I know, because people don't 19 understand it. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: But you'll do a good 21 job Saturday explaining it. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But, I mean, we 23 really have to speak up on it. Because you can 24 try to build it, but how are you going to operate 25 it? 72 1 MR. NORMAN: Maybe here's an approach 2 to think about in terms of the discussion with 3 people. You can -- you could do more for more 4 Comanches by helping buy down the cost of the 5 services that they need to have, because if 6 they're going to get on their own, or by 7 supplementing insurance and things like that. You 8 can do that, but with that same chunk of money, 9 you can do much more of that and effect many more 10 people's lives by assisting them than you could by 11 putting it into a building that you then don't 12 have a plan for sustaining. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I've suggested some 14 of those options to them myself; you know, things 15 like that. I said there's a number of those 16 options. Number one could be the CHRs. We could 17 employ more CHRs, get them licensed even, you 18 know. RNs or practical nurses, let them spend 19 time. It would be cheaper, and let them stay in 20 their own homes. And some may have to be there 24 21 hours or something, but it's cheaper. 22 So there's different options, but 23 they really want this assisted living. 24 MR. COFFEY: What was it you got, 25 William? 73 1 MR. NORMAN: We probably need to be 2 off the record. 3 (Off-the-record discussion.) 4 MR. COFFEY: Do we have a motion to 5 authorize financial support for Alex? 6 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes, I make that 7 motion, Mr. Chairman. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 9 MR. COFFEY: A motion made by Clyde 10 Narcomey to approve the request for Alex 11 Sapadoodle for her dance on Friday, May the 1st, 12 in the amount of $500? 13 MR. NARCOMEY: You said $1000. I 14 would say it would be up to the Secretary/ 15 Treasurer. He knows the money amount we can hand 16 out. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we have -- we 18 can handle 1000 in the fund that we have. But I 19 just want to say this, you know. I want to say 20 that it doesn't fully fit the criteria, but I 21 think where we make exceptions is here's a young 22 person who's done a lot of achievement, and who 23 knows what her like expectation is, and I think 24 that's unique, and I think it's very special. So 25 I think it's very smart to assist something like 74 1 that. 2 MR. REDELK: I second that. 3 MR. COFFEY: A second has been made 4 by Vice-Chairman Ron RedElk. Any further 5 discussion? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: I abstain. 7 MR. COFFEY: Motion carried. 8 (Meeting recessed until April 23, 9 2009 at 9:00 a.m.) 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 75 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) 4 ) 5 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 6 7 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 8 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 9 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 10 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 11 that the meeting was held on April 16, 2009, in 12 the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney 13 for nor a relative of any said parties, or 14 otherwise interested in the event of said action. 15 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 16 my hand and seal of office on this the 22nd day of 17 April, 2009. 18 19 20 __________________________ Kelly Stoabs 21 Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of Oklahoma 22 23 24 25 76 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 11:06 a.m. on April 16, 2009, and that the meeting 8 was duly called and held in all respects in 9 accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25