TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 
COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 
MONTHLY MEETING 
SEPTEMBER 27, 2010, 1:14 P.M. 
COMANCHE BUSINESS CENTER 
LAWTON, OKLAHOMA


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A P P E A R A N C E S


 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS:


 Michael Burgess, Chairman 
Richard Henson, Vice-Chairman 
Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer 
Mark Wauahdooah, Committeeman #2 
Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 
Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4


 LEGAL COUNSEL:


 William Norman, James Burson 
Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker


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INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS


 PAGE


 Meeting commenced at 1:14 p.m. 4


 Motion passed to amend agenda. 5


 Ed Tahah and Jill Peters present 5 
gaming commission budget.


 Motion passed to approve gaming 9 
commission budget.


 Motion passed to approve Vanessa 16 
Vance to write and help submit ICDBG 
grant to HUD.


 Motion passed to direct the tax 22 
commission to encumber a $1.2 
million advance for accessing a 
letter of credit for Comanche Nation 
Enterprises.


 Robin Hopkins. 23


 Motion passed to approve gaming 24 
board budget.


 Motion passed to rent Narcomey land 64 
for fair.


 Motion passed for the chairman to 75 
discuss with TA the correction of 
bringing an employee back to service 
while there's an ongoing 
investigation.


 Motion passed to approve naming and 75 
appointments of board of managers 
for the smoke shop and 
establishment of LLC.


 Motion passed to adjourn. 76


 Reporter's Certificate. 77


 Secretary/Treasurer's Certificate. 78 



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 (Meeting commenced at 1:14 p.m.)


 MR. BURGESS: We'll go on record. 
That clock says 1:14. Reconvene the CBC here. 
Today's date -- what is it? September 27th. 
Okay.


 First is your budget for -- our 
budget for our gaming commission, fellas. And 
then the second item is approving the contract for 
a grant writer, just to give you a little bit of 
the agenda. Bob, did you have anything else to 
add?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We need a 
resolution for signatures on the museum. We have 
no one to sign.


 MR. BURGESS: Did you get that one, 
the resolution approving CNE, that discussion this 
morning, is that what you said?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. We need that 
for sure. We need a resolution that approves 
that. But I said the resolution for the Comanche 
National Museum. The people went out and they 
have new officers, so we need to get them on the 
account quick. So we need to have a resolution 
passing to remove the old and to put the new.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. You'll have the 



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 language when we get there, I'm assuming, more or 
less.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah. I tried to 
draft it this morning but I got too tied up.


 MR. HENSON: Mike, I'd like to talk 
about Hopkins. I'd like to talk about her a 
little bit, all the work she's doing and 
everything and what we should do about it.


 MR. BURGESS: That will be fifth on 
the agenda, fifth or sixth, but we'll open here 
with -- thank you. Ed, Jill, we'll open up with 
your budget. So motion to approve the agenda as 
we stated?


 MR. HENSON: I'll make that motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Second?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Second.


 MR. BURGESS: All those in favor 
signify by saying "aye". 
(Aye.) 
MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 
sign. All those abstain, same sign. 
All right. Ed, we'll give it over to 
you and Jill. 
MR. TAHAH: Thank you, Mr. Chairman, 
and CBC members. I guess you know we met last 



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 week and y'all made the request we cut 15 percent 
out of our budget. If you would look at the 
second page of the copy we gave you, we request -the 
2010 budget was 4.9. The fiscal year 2011 
budget was 2.4, but we're asking for a request for 
a 3.5 budget. These are some of the cuts that 
we've made to get it down to 15 percent. So we're 
just asking y'all to approve the $3.5 million 
budget. If you have any questions, we'll see if 
we can answer them. At some place I think they 
have a breakdown, it has a breakdown of where we 
came to these figures.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: The positions you'll 
eliminate, where would they be? Is it 
surveillance, administration, or is it underneath 
compliance?


 MRS. PETERS: Surveillance, 
compliance, administration.


 MR. BURGESS: Will the majority be in 
compliance?


 MRS. PETERS: Surveillance.


 MR. BURGESS: Is that going to impact 
the requirements to meet the MICS?


 MRS. PETERS: No, because some of 
those positions are empty. We're going to stick 



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 with having three shift supervisors. So we'll be 
fine with that.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. So we're still 
within the MICS?


 MRS. PETERS: Yes.


 MR. BURGESS: What if we moved up 
numbers of machines at the two larger facilities? 
Will that require more?


 MRS. PETERS: No, we'll be good with 
the number of operators and having the room on 
each shift.


 MR. BURGESS: We haven't discussed 
this part of it, but it just popped in my mind. 
What if we put up that big tent and put bingo in? 
Would it require more surveillance cameras or 
people?


 MRS. PETERS: It would require more 
cameras but not more manpower and surveillance.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Well, we thought 
about putting that up and splitting it between 
half of it being casino and the other half being 
the bingo area. Where, we don't know yet, but 
that's the future. I just want to make sure that 
maybe at that time if we have to adjust the 
budget, we come back and modify it. 



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 MR. TAHAH: So you're thinking about 
doing that in the next fiscal year?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes. Probably after 
the 1st we'll figure out what the best site is.


 MR. TAHAH: Most of it will be 
equipment-wise.


 MR. BURGESS: Fellas? Budget 
questions, discussions? I think we've got them at 
bare bones.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You really saw no 
problem to this?


 MRS. PETERS: It's doable.


 MR. TAHAH: It's doable. We can live 
with that. The only question we ask is that we 
need to have a decision made sometime this week, 
because starting October 1st is our fiscal year, 
and if you don't approve it, we won't have no 
money to operate on. That's probably what you're 
working on.


 MR. HENSON: We can approve a 
continuing resolution.


 MR. TAHAH: At least give us some 
spending money so we can operate.


 MR. BURGESS: Do you know what that 
means? Operate on last year's money and we don't 



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 have any.


 MR. HENSON: We've done that a lot of 
times in the government when we don't have any.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 
approve gaming commission budget of 3,589,797.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion made. Second? 
If we don't approve it, guys, we won't have a 
casino.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Chairman, I 
second the motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Wauahdooah. Okay. All right. Any 
discussion? Call for the question.


 All those in favor signify by saying 
"aye". 
(Aye.) 
MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same


 sign.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Nay.


 MR. BURGESS: All those abstain, same 
sign. Budget passes, one nay.


 MR. TAHAH: Do we get to go eat lunch 
now? As Chairman of the gaming commission, I 
appreciate it, appreciate your confidence. We 
will do our best to keep this under budget. 



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 Whether we can or not, we'll work as closely with 
the budget as we can.


 MR. BURGESS: Is there going to be a 
problem if y'all just operate with three 
commissioners for a while?


 MR. TAHAH: As far as I know, it 
won't be a problem.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: With no alternate.


 MR. BURGESS: Just for a while. 
Let's see how it works.


 MR. TAHAH: I think the commissioners 
that we got now, you know, they'll be here every 
time we have a meeting and everything. I think 
the guidelines said we could do with two, go ahead 
and conduct business with just only two people.


 MR. BURGESS: That'd be fine. We'll 
wait a little while.


 MR. TAHAH: I think we can go ahead 
and continue with the three commissioners that 
we've got.


 MRS. PETERS: They're always pretty 
much available.


 MR. TAHAH: I don't think there's 
very many of us that ever missed a meeting. We 
might have been late a couple of times. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Even if it is on a 
Saturday.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Ed, one quick 
question. Visiting some of the grassroots people 
down at Red River, they were complaining about the 
bureaucratic level. Like just getting gasoline 
and borrowing a pickup truck, they said they have 
to go through layers of bureaucracy just to get 
something approved. I just wonder if something 
could be streamlined or eliminated.


 MRS. PETERS: To borrow a vehicle?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Yeah, it just takes 
all day long to process an application to go pick 
up a box or something.


 MRS. PETERS: That would have to be 
discussed with the gaming board.


 MR. TAHAH: We only have three 
vehicles ourselves, don't we?


 MRS. PETERS: Yeah, and they're 
parked here.


 MR. HENSON: How many vehicles do 
y'all have?


 MRS. PETERS: We have two 
surveillance vans, SUV, and the red Ford Taurus.


 MR. HENSON: What are those four used 



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 for?


 MRS. PETERS: Ted goes to the four 
casinos daily and the red SUV is mostly Jonathan 
and Melissa, which is gaming machines. They're in 
the casinos daily for upgrades and installs.


 MR. HENSON: Well, that accounts for 
the $8000 vehicle expenses.


 MRS. PETERS: Yes. And also -


 MR. HENSON: I was wondering why that 
was so cheap. That's why I was asking the 
question.


 MRS. PETERS: Also, under that travel 
and training, part of that is to reimburse the 
employees when they use their personal vehicles 
when the vehicles aren't available.


 MR. HENSON: Any questions?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I have to leave. 
Can I get to the one on the museum now?


 MR. BURGESS: What is your phone call 
on?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's with the 
secretary at large group. Now he only meets with 
two people other than his staff and I'm one of 
them. So I have to meet with him every Monday. 
And then we're going to bring it back to the whole 



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 group here at NCAI or before our meeting.


 MR. BURGESS: Is this Larry or is 
this Salazar?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it's with -


 MR. BURGESS: Larry?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Salazar.


 MR. BURGESS: Salazar, okay. All 
right.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So anyway, the 
resolution is -- I don't want to go through all 
the whereases and all that in the front end, but 
it comes around to,


 "Whereas, the new officers have been 
selected for the Comanche National Museum. The 
former officers being" -- and I list them -"
Mr. Dan Bigbee and Patricia Whitewolf to be 
removed as signatories from the Liberty Bank 
account of the museum, and that the new 
signatories be" -- I need to get these names for 
sure -- "Patsy Couts, Jane Meyers and Blanche 
Wahnee." So those names will be put in there, and 
they need it right away because they have nobody 
to sign on their accounts.


 MR. BURGESS: They should turn it 
over to us and let us sign their accounts. 



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 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't think we 
want to sign their accounts.


 MR. BURGESS: That's why I'm 
wondering, why are we approving it? They're the 
body.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Because the banks 
always respect the resolutions on accounts from 
us, from the CBC.


 MR. BURGESS: But if they're moving 
towards independence, then part of that for us is 
to release them and let them start their own 
accounting system, and they should be filing for 
their own 501(c)3.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I agree with 
you. I don't know why this would even come to 
this body, to tell you the truth.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We appoint the 
museum's board, so because we appoint them, we've 
been doing the resolution for the signatory.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Up to this point, 
they've always been a part of our accounting 
system, also.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They have a 
separate accounting system, but the signatories 
have always been by resolution from the tribe. 



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 Like the tax commission and others, you know.


 MR. HENSON: You think they're 
appointees from the board?


 MR. BURGESS: What family is the 
Couts lady from?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: She's Jim 
Patterson's sister.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, Jim 
Patterson's sister.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay.


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion we 
approve that resolution.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made by 
Mr. Henson. Second by? Second?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second it.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Kosechequetah.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Just so we can 
move forward. I have a protest, but I'll leave it 
-- I'll sweep this one under the rug for the 
better business on the larger picture.


 MR. BURGESS: Call for the question. 
All those in favor signify by saying "aye". 
(Aye.) 
MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 



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 sign. All those abstain, same sign. I abstain.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. I have before us 
a contract to approve Vanessa Vance to write and 
help submit an ICDBG grant or the Indian Community 
Development Block Grant out of HUD. This is the 
block grant that will go for $800,000. We want to 
put a community services building up, which would 
include Indian Child Welfare, the CHR program, 
child support services, and our early childhood 
day care center at the complex should we be 
fortunate enough to receive this grant.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How much is the 
grant?


 MR. BURGESS: 800,000 max. We may -I'll 
put this -- make this an asterisk. If the 
tribe kicks in $180,000 and utilizes services of 
the commission corp, we're eligible for 10, 15 
extra points on our rating scale. So the plan is 
to fund -- the tribe may have to fund as much as 
180,000 and commission corp, their effort will 
come forward. Not at a rate from us, but out of 
the contract. So that gives us 10, 12 -- 12 or 15 
extra points in our rating, which we didn't have 
last year. And we missed out on funding, but we 



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 rated high, but not high enough to get funding. 
We were rated like at the 70 percentile.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If we put the 180 
in, it probably will help us rate.


 MR. BURGESS: If we match. We can 
match indirect cost, we can match our cash. I 
told them already to put us down for $40,000 for 
the child care playground.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Who is this 
commission corp?


 MR. BURGESS: Corp of engineers. 
They'll be like management representatives.


 MR. HENSON: Who is the grant writer 
again?


 MR. BURGESS: Vanessa Vance.


 MR. NARCOMEY: How are we paying 
her? How much are we paying her?


 MR. BURGESS: Hers will be a maximum 
of $4,000. One half initiation and the other half 
at completion.


 MR. NARCOMEY: A total of $4,000?


 MR. HENSON: And that's whether we 
get it or not? We're going to be gone $4,000, be 
out $4,000?


 MR. BURGESS: We have to. We have no 



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 grant writer on hand to do this.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: She's good.


 MR. NARCOMEY: We need a motion?


 MR. BURGESS: We need a motion to 
approve the contract.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I make the motion.


 MR. BURGESS: We've got a motion made 
by Mr. Narcomey.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: second.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by Wauahdooah.


 Questions? Discussion? All those in favor 
signify by saying "aye". 
(Aye.) 
MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 
sign. All those abstain, same sign.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Hold on. I've 
got one question. I just thought this out. Did 
we approve the signature authorities for the 
Comanche Nation College or Comanche Nation 
Enterprises or Comanche Nation Economic 
Development? No, the boards do that because 
they're separate. Therefore, we shouldn't be 
approving the signature authority for this. It 
should be left with that body.


 MR. BURGESS: Let's come back with a 



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 resolution and then they have to get theirs and 
we'll have to get a resolution telling the bank we 
released that responsibility to them. But to get 
them started -


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: What I'm saying, 
that responsibility already is theirs.


 MR. HENSON: If that's what you're 
saying, we need to write a letter to the bank. 
The bank does everything by resolution for us. 
We'll just write them and tell them they've got 
their own responsibility for signature.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The bank has to 
have it in hand, yes, and they always go by the 
CBC resolutions.


 MR. BURGESS: On the 9th, we can 
release that, that resolution telling the banks 
we've given that authority over to them.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: That would be a 
resolution of authority, not a resolution of 
appointing signatures.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If they have the 
resolution of authority, or whatever we're going 
to call them like that. Then we grant them to do 
that, and they can do whatever. But some of them, 
like the corporation, see, it's in their bylaws, 



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 it's in the corporation structure to do that. 
Economic development has an act and they do it 
under those kind of things. The museum doesn't 
have an account, they're operating under bylaws 
and some general understanding with the CBC. The 
tax commission is different. They have an 
ordinance they've established, and then when we 
meet, we meet as a tax commission and we authorize 
signatures. We authorize signatures. But then 
they're operating under some real, you know, 
authority as a commission. And the museum doesn't 
have that as of yet. They may have created it.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: But what should 
have happened was it should have been the CBC give 
authority because of the separation resolution 
that we already went through and the separation of 
HR and banking account system. Should have been 
part of that resolution. If it wasn't come later 
and then giving them the authority to do that as a 
body, and then that body would have to get 
together and -- because how are we to determine at 
this level who there is best suited for the 
signatures?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it's your 
auditors. 



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 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: What I'm saying 
is what if this one lives six hours away? Are 
they the one -- well, they could be designated by 
the board, somebody who's a little more local to 
be part of this signature authority. You see what 
I'm saying? They could make that assessment and 
size that up as a committee, where sitting at this 
level we don't see that.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we can get a 
recommendation properly when you're in place, you 
know. But I think you need to construct those 
kind of things within the museum. And then we 
can -


 MR. NARCOMEY: He's in a separate -say, 
for instance, like housing and the college 
and economic development, that group there. Does 
the museum fit over here with this group or are 
they still under the tribe?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're attempting -and 
that's what we've done, separate them from 
us. But we still -- they still don't have all 
these kind of documents under which they operate.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Because they didn't 
over here under economic development.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, it's a separate 



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 body.


 MR. NARCOMEY: That's something we 
need a resolution to pass.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, anyway, I 
have to rush, I hate to say that, to get on this 
call.


 MR. BURGESS: Bob, what else do you 
have on the agenda? I didn't write it down.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We had the one here 
on the tax commission, pass that resolution.


 MR. BURGESS: You wrote there was 
four items, five items. The motion is to direct 
the tax commission to encumber a $1.2 million 
advance from tax commission funds for accessing a 
letter of credit for Comanche Nation Enterprises.


 MR. HENSON: I make the motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made by 
Mr. Henson.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second that 
motion, Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Second has been made by 
Mr. Kosechequetah. We all heard it this morning, 
so barring any further discussion, call for the 
question. All those in favor signify by saying 
"aye". 



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(Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Nay.


 MR. BURGESS: Abstain. One nay, one 
abstention. The ayes have it. So we get a 
resolution, fax it over to them this afternoon so 
they can get started.


 And now, Bunky, you want to talk 
about Robin Hopkins.


 MR. HENSON: I don't know if the rest 
of the CBC knows, but Robin's been working really 
hard, I guess for, what, four or five months now, 
on her own.


 MR. BURGESS: Discussion with this 
and bringing things forward.


 MR. HENSON: She's kind of been 
working with the CBC about whatever we wanted, 
actually. We'd bring up some kind of enterprise, 
she'd run out there and get all the information 
she can. I was just wondering if we should do 
something about that. You know, hire her or make 
her a part of whatever. But she has been doing a 
lot of leg work out there free for us. I wonder 
what the thoughts of CBC was. 



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24


 MR. BURGESS: Are you thinking about 
the lines of a consultant contract?


 MR. HENSON: Well, I don't know. 
That's why I was bringing it up. I know we should 
do something, but I don't know what we should do. 
Either maybe on the lines of a contract, or gifts 
or special recognition or something or another. I 
mean, she's been really working her legs off 
bringing all this stuff to us.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Can we go off the 
record?


 MR. NARCOMEY: Has she accomplished 
anything?


 (Discussion held off of the record.)


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 
approve the 25 percent budget.


 MR. BURGESS: Which is 964,579. The 
actual number is 964,579.


 MR. HENSON: Which reminds me, is 
there any way that we can get in on the approval 
of the casino budgets?


 MR. BURGESS: That question comes 
after you make the motion. Second?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Second.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 



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 Mr. Wauahdooah. Motion made by Mr. Henson. Call 
for the question. All those in favor signify by 
saying "aye". 


(Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay." All those abstain, same sign.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Nay.


 MR. BURGESS: The ayes have it. One 
abstention.


 Okay. Bunky, your question is, is 
there anyway we can get in on the gaming 
operation's?


 MR. HENSON: Yeah. Is there any way 
we can get in on the approval or at least help 
with the commission board or the board to do the 
casino budgets? The reason why I'm saying that 
is, you know, you take a look and you go walking 
around, and they're spending money here, they're 
doing things here. To me it just looks like 
they're spending money ridiculously, the casinos. 
And at first I thought it was the same budget that 
the gaming had, the board, but it's not. Each 
one of the casino's got a budget.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, you want them -they 
each have to -



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 MR. HENSON: I would really like to 
see the budget of the casinos is what I'm saying. 
I seen three EX cars pull into the casino this 
morning when I come down here at 9 o'clock. I 
don't know who they were, but they were all going 
to the casinos.


 MR. NARCOMEY: They had a meeting 
there this morning.


 MR. HENSON: They did? I heard they 
had a meeting here.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Yeah, that's what I 
heard.


 MR. HENSON: Yeah, there was a 
meeting going on here. I don't know about at the 
casinos. But the three EX cars going into the 
casino got me thinking, well, do we know how many 
cars the casinos got? Because every time I turn 
around, somebody's driving a new car.


 MR. NORMAN: Those are questions for 
your board.


 MR. HENSON: That's what I'm saying. 
Is there any way we can get in on the discussion 
of the -


 MR. NORMAN: I think you need to pose 
the questions to the board. Tell them what your 



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 concerns are and what your questions are.


 MR. BURSON: There's no disability 
for you doing that in your ordinance for you to 
have participation in -


 MR. HENSON: Because if we just cut 
the gaming board, that doesn't mean they have to 
cut the casinos. Casinos could still be fat.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, we'll have to sit 
down and discuss it with them.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Where those other 
recommendations come in and we discuss those with 
the gaming board at our next meeting. Before too 
long there were three or four different items that 
I brought forward that will affect the individual 
budgets.


 MR. HENSON: They had, for instance, 
what Darrell had brought up before in all them 
questions about how they could cut the operation 
and the cost and everything. I went down to the 
casino Friday night and I went over to get a corn 
dog. And I seen this sheet right there that says, 
"Employees can only order this." And there's a 
whole lot of stuff that they could order. So I 
guess that was all free to the employees. And 
when I was over there Friday night, the parking 



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 guy, or the guy that -


 MR. NARCOMEY: Valet?


 MR. HENSON: No, the other one, the 
one that got our buggies and stuff -- I had a 
problem and I was going to ask to see the 
supervisor out there. I was told that he left at 
five after 4:00, I guess. And he had left the 
premises and nobody knew where he went. So I 
waited and waited and waited. About five after 
9:00, he showed up. Then when I went back outside 
-- I didn't get to talk to him, but when I went 
back outside, he was driving that white van and 
all he was doing was circling, driving all the way 
through the parking lot and everything. I 
thought, What's on going on here? I had talked 
to -- I told Sharrod about it, so I'd like to know 
what was going on. Especially like to know where 
he went during that five hours he was gone and if 
he was on the clock.


 MR. BURGESS: That was who now?


 MR. HENSON: I don't remember his 
name. He was the supervisor Friday night 
supposedly. I did get to talk to the -- some guy 
named Davis, who was supposed to be, I guess, 
acting or whatever. And I had asked him where the 



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 supervisor was, and he says, "I don't know." He 
says, "He just drove off." That was over here at 
Comanche Nation Casino.


 MR. BURGESS: That's why we got the 
board. I passed out to you guys the budget here. 
Ron left too early to discuss it. This is the 
budget I'll be talking to the superintendent with. 
This is the increase of per cap to 60 percent. 
You will see the numbers on the far right which 
will show the decrease in dollars per each area of 
economic development, tribal government, community 
and education.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Money for land 
acquisition which we have not spent, that carries 
over?


 MR. BURGESS: Well, what we've 
collected will carry over.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: The 1.2 million?


 MR. BURGESS: Well, we didn't collect 
all of -- let me find it. We didn't collect all 
of that previous -- this is the proposed. Out of 
the previous, we possibly collected 75 percent. 
I'm just being conservative here. So if it was at 
3 million last year, we probably collected 2., 
what, 2.25? And we've used some of it along the 



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 lines that we purchased land with.


 Chas, we did pass your budget at the 
964 level.


 MR. ROBBINS: Okay. Thank you. Yes, 
sir. Excellent.


 MR. BURGESS: And the resolution will 
be coming forward.


 MR. ROBBINS: Okay.


 MR. BURGESS: We'll probably get it 
signed and printed before Monday, but it's been 
passed, so it's on record.


 MR. ROBBINS: Excellent. Any 
questions or anything I can help with?


 MR. HENSON: Yeah, how much more can 
you cut? You did a good job, by the way, of 
getting it down here. I appreciate it.


 MR. ROBBINS: Thank you. We'll make 
it work. I appreciate y'all passing it.


 MR. HENSON: Mike, I got a question 
for you on this budget.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay.


 MR. HENSON: On this revised budget, 
what was your base?


 MR. BURGESS: Hang on. Chas, help us 
with it. 



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 MR. ROBBINS: Oh, okay.


 MR. BURGESS: Baseline is we 
projected totals. Now if you take the 16 
million -- I don't recall if that was -- we were 
coming in at 25 million to reduce that. It came 
in at 25.


 MR. ROBBINS: That was the 
projected.


 MR. BURGESS: Yes. Total. But with 
the loss of 21 percent -- I don't remember that. 
Sharrod, we passed your budget, but we're 
discussing this per cap issue thing, the new 
budget and revised. I'm telling the guys that 
I've got a letter prepared. I've got to attach 
last year's budget. I have to attach the 
changeover and how it's going to affect us, 
because the question will be: Can you afford the 
new per cap and how does it affect your 
operations?


 Every entity we have down there that 
receives money, they want to know will this be 
justified. We have that question to face, so I'm 
bringing it forward. I'm just going to show them 
this budget. I'm not going to sit here and tell 
them each one of these line items. If you look at 



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 economic development's, reduction of 10 percent. 
We go from 10.0 million to 4.1 million. Tribal 
government's not the same, but still our revenues 
may not meet it. Remember, we came in thinking 
we're going to do some projections, and we said 
the 60 percent we get we were talking about a $25 
million budget. Am I right or wrong? Chas can 
show me when he get his graphs up.


 Some of these things we'll have to 
give here. We already know what we think the -might 
think they want to cut, but do we want that 
to be cut? The college, economic development, 
Comanche Nation Enterprises, land acquisitions, 
housing. They're talking about telling us to cut 
housing. And housing is going to lose another 
half-a-million in two years simply because of 
numbers. Housing stock is down. Federal 
government is going to reduce our housing over two 
years' time and we lose federal funding by 12 
percent at max. So starting -- the countdown is 
October 1. By October 12 next year, they'll 
reduce it 5 to 7 percent.


 MR. NARCOMEY: It seems like I read 
somewhere where housing got awarded two million in 
the past four or five months. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, they cleaned up 
-- in 13 months time he's cleaned up five, six, 
seven year's outstanding bills where they were 
able to collect money on them. Then he got funded 
for this past year, 2010. That's the $2 million 
that came in. They collected a little less than a 
million dollars on the last seven years' 
outstanding bills that he cleaned up. He and his 
staff were able to clean it up, they collected 
it. But do you know what that does? That creates 
a windfall for a few months, because now they got 
all these houses they're going to be putting into 
place. They have the housing plan and they have 
to follow that. So they can only put in about 
four homes based on the '09 plan and now the '10 
plan.


 Now they're doing the '11 plan, so 
they have that money committed, building homes in 
residential areas. So they don't have any money. 
After 2011, they have no money to buy land to put 
homes on. They have to do one or the other. 
That's why they want to have a joint meeting with 
us, but his board said after October, to sit down 
and map out a long-range strategy with us and 
housing. One year they'll build homes, we buy 



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 land. Next year they buy the land, we give them 
money to build the homes on. We're going to have 
to piggy back each other with our funding.


 MR. HENSON: Mike, how did you do 
this? This first one, economic development, 25 
percent. CN Enterprise, Incorporated, we budgeted 
for 1.5. And then what's the 15.58 percent?


 MR. ROBBINS: What I did on those, 
Bunky, is that if we went with the general 
council-approved budget where they had them broken 
down by line item, that is a percentage of what it 
is for its category. So CN Enterprises, Inc., was


 15.58 percent of all of the economic development 
budget. 
MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Of the original 
budget? 
MR. ROBBINS: Of the original budget, 
yes, sir. So the next column where we go in and 
say that economic development makes up 10 percent 
of the total budget. If CNE, Inc. was to continue 
to be 15.58 percent of the subcategory, then it 
would transfer over to the 646,476. So it 
basically keeps it in proportion.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: It's all relative 
in proportion? 



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 MR. ROBBINS: Absolutely, yeah. They 
have the same percent of each subcategory as they 
did with the original budget. That's not to say 
it has to be that way, it's just as a reference -start.


 MR. HENSON: So this is to going to 
be the budget that they're going to have for 2012?


 MR. ROBBINS: Well, this is actually 
2011. 
MR. HENSON: I mean 2011, yeah. So

 we're going to have to cut them from 1.5, which we 
budgeted, all the way down to 6.4 -- 646?


 MR. BURGESS: This is what happens if 
the 6 percent per cap is approved by the -


 MR. HENSON: Yeah, that's what I'm 
saying.


 MR. BURGESS: That would be the 2011 
budget. On the left is the budget approved. This 
-- we could just theoretically say this would be 
the 2012 year. If the BIA is approving it, it's 
up to us to do it retroactively or by the date 
it's approved.


 MR. HENSON: The reason I'm asking 
that question is they cut down from 1.5 all the 
way down to less than half. And the same thing 



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 goes for the next one.


 MR. ROBBINS: So what's happened 
here, we know that under the approved budget now, 
economic development gets 25 percent of this 60 
percent, right? So if the per cap was to go to 60 
percent, we're now working off of 40 percent. So 
in this instance, they're getting 10 percent of 40 
percent as opposed to getting 25 of the 60.


 MR. HENSON: Okay. Now, I can see.


 MR. ROBBINS: How close are you guys 
really wanting to get this to actual? Because 
even though we gain insight, you're overshooting 
it a little.


 MR. BURGESS: What were our 
projections for the year? That was his first 
question. You kind of -- here. What were we 
basing this budget on when we projected it?


 MR. ROBBINS: We were basing it off 
the FY '10 budget, because we were only half way 
through fiscal year '10. So that's basically all 
we could get. We had to complete our budget. In 
fact, the board hasn't approved our budget yet. 
It's done.


 MR. HENSON: Shouldn't we -- instead 
of budgeting it from the FY '09 budget, should we 



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 budget from what's actual, the money is actually 
coming in?


 MR. ROBBINS: What would be ideal is 
if it was tied to the budget that we have for FY 
'11. What we have is budgeted spending for FY '11 
coincides with what we're projecting to be able to 
fund. If, for example, we are able to operate off 
of a year's worth of reserves, then you could very 
easily budget off of FY '10 actual was. But since 
we're spending FY '10 actual every month, it 
almost needs to coincide with our FY '11.


 MR. TABBYTITE: That's an issue 
there. Chief, I don't know how many times I've 
talked about this. The timing difference between 
your budget and our budget, there's at least a 
six-month lag. You get your budget approved for 
the upcoming year in May. We don't even start our 
budgeting process until July. So you finish up 
your budget for the same year we finish up ours, 
but you finish yours six months before we do.


 MR. ROBBINS: It's really only been 
the last two years that caused the hiccup. 
Because we've gone through those years before 
where we had double-digit increases. We had no 
competition, the economy was in good shape. So it 



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 didn't really matter so much whether or not your 
budget coincided with ours because we performed 
more than what we expected. Last year was the 
first time that we were actually down a little. 
So what happened during those last couple of 
months, the distributions were less.


 Beginning this year, what we're 
seeing was that we had to get -- we had to do what 
I kind of call true-up to what reality is, and we 
had to decrease the September distributions and it 
was painful. The Kiowa operations, they made -you 
know, they're expecting to have the same 
expenses. So if we could go into the tribal 
budget being as close to what we're expecting at 
the beginning, that would be a lot better.


 MR. BURGESS: And, see, it was 
projected an income of -- total gaming 
contributions would have been 41.4.


 MR. ROBBINS: The unapproved budget, 
the board has not approved this, so there could be 
changes to this for FY '11.


 MR. HENSON: That's $8 million down 
from last year?


 MR. BURGESS: That's more than eight.


 MR. HENSON: What was it last year? 



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 41, wasn't it?


 MR. ROBBINS: You're looking at net 
income. We've got to be careful on our 
definitions of net income. This is net gaming 
revenue less -- it's taking principal reductions, 
capital improvements, everything that comes out 
before it goes to distribution. So when we look 
at bottom line, the bottom line is projected to be 
higher than this. Bottom line is projected to 
be -- well, you just passed the board budget and 
the gaming commission budget, so this number is 
after those budgets as well. So that's a decent 
amount. The net income that's being projected -


 MR. HENSON: -- 2.2 million?


 MR. ROBBINS: We're projecting a net 
income of 42.6 million.


 MR. TABBYTITE: Chas, I think you 
need to go through that explanation again, because 
it is confusing.


 MR. ROBBINS: Okay.


 MR. TABBYTITE: Mr. Chairman, the 42 
is actually the net income forecasted.


 MR. BURGESS: Forecasted for this 
year? 
MR. ROBBINS: So the way the revenue 


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 allocation plan works -- it's easy for me to do 
this, too. It is easy for us to think that all 
net income goes 60/40. But the reality is, is 
that it's net income less principal payments and 
we always say we don't have any debt. But the 
reality is we do have that small VGT note that we 
did to finish the CNC renovations and we also have 
some small equipment leases on large currency 
counters that were a couple of hundred thousand 
dollars. So we have to make the principal 
payments on those. So it's less the monthly 
principal payments, it's less the capital 
improvements for that month, and then it's also 
less the board and the gaming commission budget.


 And here's how -- this is how we're 
dealing with that budget. Because remember in 
March of 2008, we had this huge debacle where the 
auditors had come back in and made a determination 
that said that the board's budget and the gaming 
commission's budget cannot be booked as operating 
expenses. You can't write that off as an 
operating expense. They're parts of the tribe, so 
you're -- that's an equity distribution just like 
if we were giving distributions to the tribe. So 
what we were able to do, to still get the same 



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 effect is we treat it as a distribution that 
is pre-revenue allocation. So it has the same 
accounting effect as an expense. So here, we have 
a bottom line that is ready for RAP. And this is 
your 60/40.


 MR. BURGESS: Right or wrong, but I 
always assumed that's what you were doing. After 
all those payments and requirements -


 MR. ROBBINS: Yes, sir. 
MR. BURGESS: And then our 60/40 came 
out -MR. 
ROBBINS: Came out of this bottom

 line here and that's the difference between -here 
is the top line, and this is the amount after 
all of those.


 MR. TABBYTITE: So NI over here is 
42.6, so we're at -- the bottom underlined over 
there is 33.3?


 MR. ROBBINS: Yes.


 MR. BURGESS: So we're looking at a 
down time again, a double dip here in this 
economy, and we need to go ahead and budget 
whatever percentage difference that is, apply it 
to this budget.


 MR. ROBBINS: So if you were having 



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 to run operations off of 40 percent of that number 
and you are now getting from gaming contributions


 13.3 million, as opposed to -- as opposed to -yeah, 
25 is if you kept the full 60 percent. The 
16.5 is when you were assuming that 41.4 was 
coming from gaming. So if it changes then it 
actually becomes 33 million. 
MR. BURGESS: Per cap would be? 
MR. ROBBINS: Per cap would 
be 28,010,000.


 MR. HENSON: This is what you turn 
into the Internal Revenue -- I mean turn into the 
BIA and you -- 2489.


 MR. ROBBINS: That's when we were 
looking at the top line.


 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, that's what we 
need to have for the Bureau, but now it comes back 
to reality. We've got a budget showing we're 
going to get 41 million contributions with the 
potential difference -- I'm going to say 10 
percent difference in the economy going -dropping 
10 percent. We're going to drop 10 
percent in earnings. So 10 percent off of 41 
million is 4.1 million. So we need to come in 
at -- us, we said 25. We should be coming in at 



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 20. We could say 18 million. That's what it's 
going to be. Reality. 
MR. TABBYTITE: That's assuming the 
reverse, where 60 percent goes to per cap and 40 
percent -


 MR. ROBBINS: So if it doesn't pass, 
then you've got 20 million and 10,000 for tribal 
operations. If it does pass then you got 13 
million.


 MR. HENSON: But this is projected 
the 41 million we got last year, right?


 MR. BURGESS: No, our total gaming 
contributions was projected at 41 and it's not 
coming in at that, is it?


 MR. ROBBINS: Our net income is 
expected to be -MR. 
TABBYTITE: Our income will be


 41. 
MR. ROBBINS: Will be 41. But the 
amount that actually goes through the Revenue 
Allocation will be the 33.3.


 MR. HENSON: And that's what this 
should be, to go to the BIA. 
MR. BURGESS: No. When you look at 
the second page, Bunky, we're saying minus the 



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 revenue allocation plan we were going to get 25. 
Because we thought the total would be 41, but it's 
going to be 41 and total -- minus Revenue 
Allocation Plan, whatever that difference is,


 16.5. Is that right? Am I right, Chas? 
MR. ROBBINS: Yeah, I would say if 
you want to run this one by this column to see 
what you're going to have for governmental 
operations, I would use the 13.3 as opposed to the


 16. 
The 16.5. 
MR. HENSON: That's what I'm saying. 
MR. BURGESS: Okay, all right. 
That's what we have to show a figure of 13-some 
million. But here's what happens in their mind's 
eye, back to the per cap, and that bumps it up to 
20 million but we divide that, take out the elder 
payments. Let say it's, what, an easy mill? 
Let's take out a million for elders, you divide 
the balance by 15,000 and, shoot, better divide 
the balance by 16,000 people by next year to see 
what the per cap will be. We're averaging 40 
people a month in new enrollment. I appreciate 
you guys coming on over and helping us handle this 
here.


 MR. TABBYTITE: Mr. Chairman, is 



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 there ever any discussion about putting a halt, a 
temporary halt into new enrollment?


 MR. BURGESS: I'm glad you brought it 
up. Other people asking how can we increase per 
cap and I say you better decrease enrollment 
because at the rate we're going -


 MR. TABBYTITE: It keeps going up and 
up and up, 500 a year or so.


 MR. HENSON: Chas, what's the per cap 
going to be this year, do you know? Just off 
hand, close?


 MR. ROBBINS: Somewhere between 850 
and 950, probably.


 MR. HENSON: And what they're doing 
right there, they'll bump it up to 1188.


 MR. BURGESS: That's before taxes.


 MR. HENSON: Are you talking about 
850 and 9 after taxes or before taxes?


 MR. ROBBINS: Before.


 MR. BURGESS: Cost us what, $30,000 
to get that vote? I remember $15,000 a meeting.


 MR. ROBBINS: Well, and you got, 
throughout the year -- if this passes, you'll have 
$20 million sitting in a bank account that loses 
money as opposed to reinvesting it in a property 



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 that has, you know, 60 percent return on equity. 
So -


 MR. BURGESS: The concept going 
around, too, is why not just make a flat per cap 
payment, just a flat. About $500, $600 a year. 
Elders get their, but their per cap is low so that 
that per cap gets to stay in there. The people 
have to vote on that.


 MR. HENSON: To do something like 
that, you're going to have to take it to the 
tribal council.


 MR. BURGESS: Oh, I know. But 
they're not going to learn it until two years 
later when they start seeing the per cap going 
down.


 MR. HENSON: They're not going to 
vote on that either.


 MR. BURGESS: Some of the absentees 
probably will.


 MR. HENSON: Yeah, the absentee we 
can count on. In fact, we can count on the 
absentee, as I understand, not to take a per cap 
for a couple of years to pay for what we need. 
Friday night there was guy that just came while I 
was playing poker and he came from Red River. He 



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 said you could hear a damn pin drop out there 
because there was nobody there. No, it was 
Saturday -- Sunday there was absolutely nobody 
down there, so he came up here.


 MR. BURGESS: To play poker?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Friday night?


 MR. HENSON: No, Sunday.


 MR. BURGESS: Poker's not a big thing 
for us.


 MR. HENSON: No, I'm not talking 
about poker. I'm talking about the whole thing, 
the whole building. There was absolutely nobody 
there.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Where was the workers 
at?


 MR. ROBBINS: September's a tough 
month.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, you're going back 
to school -- the holidays now.


 MR. TABBYTITE: It's a slow month.


 MR. BURGESS: You remember the chart? 
It starts dropping now.


 MR. HENSON: I don't need an 
explanation, I was just telling you what he said. 
There's no business down there. 



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 MR. NORMAN: The bottom line is, the 
business committee could vote to put it to a vote 
of the people or not, but you make a determination 
that you were going to kill it at the business 
committee level, so the effort to move forward and 
renovate Red River stopped there.


 MR. TABBYTITE: Yeah, it's dormant 
right now, maybe in a coma.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: That's why I 
wanted to bring it back up. Vote while I'm in 
town.


 MR. NORMAN: The alternative is to 
focus and have somebody tasked with the right 
information and the right way with words to pepper 
your membership and educate them constantly over 
the next few months about the fact that -- what 
you just said, that you're putting a lot of money 
in a bank account that's losing money as opposed 
to reinvesting in something that's going to help 
you earn a greater pot of money to share among 
everybody. Unless and until you do that and 
people begin to comprehend it and think about it.


 MR. HENSON: But our local people 
will go with whatever the people that they say 
that they think knows what they're doing with the 



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 exception of a very few, and they don't have that 
much pull out there. But during this last vote 
where they voted the 60 percent, I don't know how 
everybody went for that. I really don't.


 MR. TABBYTITE: I don't either -that 
just blew my mind.


 MR. BURGESS: They thought they were 
going to get more money. They think they're going 
to get more money all the time.


 MR. HENSON: Well, that was really 
our fault. We should have sat there and said wait 
a minute. Before you do that, this is what I've 
got to show you. We did talk about it a little 
bit, but it wasn't enough.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, the anti, the 
negativity out there because they didn't -- you 
know, think they got what they were going to get. 
In fact, you know, too many factions, those little 
factions out there.


 MR. NARCOMEY: What I heard they 
thought was they was going to get it -- this is 
coming from Cache. They thought they were going 
to get it right then.


 MR. BURGESS: Uh-huh. And that was 
in April. Point made, they don't even have a 



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 handle on budget until July when they start seeing 
three-quarters worth coming in. Our people assume 
that this is going to be -- and we told them 90 
days to six months for the Bureau to approve this. 
It's not up to them.


 MR. HENSON: We already told them 
that. We told them it might take long because -


 MR. BURGESS: We told them, we told 
them on the floor twice. So the people heard it, 
those who didn't want to hear it are the ones who 
got up and shouted the most. And they always do 
it the loudest. I heard it in Walters the other 
night. If you tell them the truth, they're not 
there to hear, they get up and leave. So what we 
do is we'll take this and present it, and we need 
to run the scenario for the Bureau that this is 
what it's going to do to our operational side. 
And the Bureau says are you going to live with 
that, can you live -- I'm going to say of course 
not. We can't live with that.


 MR. ROBBINS: I just switched it over 
using the actual numbers that we're projecting 
for -- so here's just a snap shot of what would 
happen to tribal government. You would go from a 
budget of 3.8 million -- well, you'd leave tribal 



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 government at 10 percent. Even leaving it at 10 
percent, you're still dropping $500,000. Economic 
development goes from 10 million to 3.3 million. 
Your community funds go from 10.2 to 6.6.


 MR. TABBYTITE: That's with the 60 
percent flip flop?


 MR. ROBBINS: Uh-huh, and that's 
using our budgeted numbers for FY '11.


 MR. BURGESS: Can you get that 
printed out for us?


 MR. ROBBINS: Sure.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Chairman, how 
soon can you present his to the Bureau?


 MR. BURGESS: Next week. And as soon 
as we get these presented to the Bureau, I'm going 
to make a report to the people, a separate 
publication. I'll let you guys read it. It's 
going to be general information and this statement 
that Chas did. You know, we keep it in an account 
that's losing money. Whereas if we kept it in 
accounting, they would hold off on two year's 
timing or three year's, actually. We need 24 
months to get the renovation and a third year to 
come back with the payment.


 MR. HENSON: This first budget here, 



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 that's why I kept bringing it up. This ain't 
realistic. We need to use the real figures.


 MR. BURGESS: That's why I'm bringing 
it up. So either next Saturday we're approved, 
we're going back and modify this -


 MR. HENSON: They're still not going 
to understand.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I think everybody 
will understand this. But when they see the per 
cap, no change or little change -- even going to 
stop us -


 MR. BURGESS: We can have him run 
three-year projections. He's already done that 
for us, guys. He's done those projections. If we 
do nothing at Red River, how Red River is going to 
lose. It goes from being 60 percent of the pool 
to 30 percent of the funding. And we're only 
going to do so much here at Comanche Nation. Our 
big draw is Red River now. If we can get a 
commitment from the people to forego per cap or to 
approve us even to go up to a $20 million limit 
and borrow the money to renovate, unless we get a 
vendor to do it. Because we're talking nine to 
$11 million renovation. But with $20 million, we 
can probably finagle the rest with a vendor and 



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 build a new casino. I say build a half-a-shell 
right around the old building and back and then 
you can expand into that and take it down the 
front building, so you have somewhat of an 
accordion building to enlarge it.


 MR. HENSON: We need to do 
something. Something's got to be done. The 
reason why I brought that up what that guy said 
Sunday, it just goes to show you. Now, I mean, 
they're not coming in on Sunday, where the hell 
are they going?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I wonder what he 
said about Kiowa.


 MR. HENSON: He didn't say anything 
about Kiowa.


 MR. TABBYTITE: What time of day was 
that?


 MR. HENSON: It was probably about


 6:00. But we had pretty good business over here. 
Friday, you couldn't find a place in this thing. 
I didn't go Saturday, but I went back Sunday and 
it wasn't as busy, but it was fairly busy. 
MR. BURGESS: Well, I brought this 
forward, guys, because now you know -- you know 
who's the top and how we got to look at. And come 



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 the next CBC meeting, we have to have a 
discussion. Now, we know that 30 people are going 
to jump up there and be the nay-sayers and put it 
to a vote. What they're going to do, they'll want 
to vote all economic development down. And that 
includes a museum. That includes revolving loan, 
something we give to the tourism center. Transit 
program, transportation are in there, WIA is in 
there. Gravel and tin horns are in there. Our 
people always want help on their homes. 
Firefighters are in there. Funeral homes, they'll 
want to keep that. But they'll look at shutting 
down $2 million of that real easy. They'll want 
to tell us on the ballot to cut down some other 
things here just so they can have per cap to buy 
few more tires.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Chairman, I was 
never for this 60/40 thing. But I think you can 
see as soon as you present this to the Bureau and 
let them reject it. I think it will wake up a lot 
of people.


 MR. HENSON: My idea, if we can get 
Chas to put this up for us over there and maybe 
you can get up there and explain it -- or one of 
us can get up there and explain it to our CBC 



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 meeting on the 9th. Tell them this is what 
they're going to expect, because these are true 
figures. Also, at the same time, we can do a -we 
could do a presentation on Red River. What we 
need to do for Red River.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, I'd like to take 
that to the city as well. I'd like to have 
another community meeting. We should go to 
Anadarko, the city, and even back to Walters 
whether they want to hear it or not. Mark the 
date on this you guys so you'll know which ones -now, 
these are based on which revenues, Chas?


 MR. ROBBINS: This is using the same 
for the tax commission supplement doesn't change. 
The only thing we're changing is total gaming 
contributions.


 MR. BURGESS: That's what I mean.


 MR. ROBBINS: Yes. So we're taking 
it to what is the unapproved FY '11 budget for 
gaming ops. It's not our net income, but it's the 
amount we're projecting to have available for 
distribution.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, in my mind, Chas, 
you never have to worry because I always assume 
that -- to me, that's cost of operations. 



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 MR. ROBBINS: Yes, sir.


 MR. BURGESS: So when you tell me, 
the RAP net then I know net income is after all 
the bills are paid, that's part of the bills.


 MR. ROBBINS: Okay.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: So, Chas, what -what 
you're saying is that RAP -


 MR. ROBBINS: I've written RAP. But 
you can call it an adjusted net income or adjusted 
net gaming revenue.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: The previous one on 
top which is 60/40?


 MR. ROBBINS: Yep. It was based 
off -- well, it was based off of what we were 
projecting at that time to be net income.


 MR. BURGESS: So FY 2011 equals 32.3. 
Okay. That's what we kind of needed to know. 
Chas, we're talking about doing the dog show 
again. This time in Oklahoma City, possibly 
Norman, Anadarko, Cache and Walters. Present this 
to them. Bunky said do it at CBC, but not enough 
people come to CBC to really listen.


 MR. HENSON: Well, they should start 
there. But that should be done there, too, I 
think. 



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 MR. BURGESS: If we could get through 
the business and then do a general information on 
the budget after the meeting.


 MR. HENSON: But there's not going to 
be enough there. Only the troublemakers stay all 
the way through.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, let's get through 
our resolutions and get through that. I don't 
know what else we have. We have some enrollment 
issues. We've got some -- other items I know of. 
Why don't we get with Bob here, because we need to 
shut that agenda off here before the fair. So I 
don't know, did we mark the attorneys out of here 
on the budget?


 MR. ROBBINS: Give them a big raise.


 MR. BURGESS: So without anymore to 
do.


 MR. NARCOMEY: We've got one more 
thing. One more thing. I was telling William 
about that five acres that the tribe was wanting 
to rent for the fair those four days. Because 
there's a CBC member that owns it, he suggests 
that we have a vote on it, make sure it's all 
right. So once we vote on it, then it's okay.


 MR. BURGESS: The rental? 



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 MR. HENSON: I thought you gave that 
last year.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I did.


 MR. HENSON: But you have to rent it 
this year?


 MR. NARCOMEY: I'm protesting this 
year. And I told Mike already.


 MR. HENSON: You don't want to rent 
it?


 MR. NARCOMEY: I'm going to rent it 
if we pass it.


 MR. HENSON: I know you had given 
that last year, that five acres out there.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Just for the fair 
only. That was just -- I already told Mike how 
come I'm not this year.


 MR. HENSON: Oh, you're talking about 
renting it all the time?


 MR. NARCOMEY: No, the fair only. 
Just for four days.


 MR. BURGESS: Camping time. Starting 
on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday.


 MR. HENSON: You need an answer 
today?


 MR. NARCOMEY: Got to have it today 



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 because the fair starts Thursday.


 MR. NORMAN: Procedurally, he could 
be here to preserve the quorum. He would need to 
abstain from the vote because it relates to his 
property.


 MR. HENSON: How much do you want to 
rent it for.


 MR. NARCOMEY: 250 a day.


 MR. HENSON: $250 a day?


 MR. NARCOMEY: That's what Spur, when 
they rent that deal just south of the casino, they 
pay $300 a day -- they used to pay 300 when they 
used to give away cars. Because all the spillover 
went over to McDonald's land. They charged 
them 300 a day. Just like I told Mike, you can 
rent it.


 MR. HENSON: You need a resolution on 
that, Mike?


 MR. BURGESS: I think just a motion.


 MR. HENSON: I make a motion we rent 
it at 75 cents a day.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, we'll need it, 
because we just run out of space, guys. We're 
also going to -


 MR. HENSON: I know they used all of 



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 it last year.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, we're looking at 
renting a -- Bigbow said we could rent their land 
for parking now. All the pow-wow dancers that 
complain they can't park close enough. So we've 
just outgrown our area. We should do both those 
-- one motion to rent Mr. Narcomey's -- what's 
your daughter's name? Clyde, what's your 
daughter's name?


 MR. NARCOMEY: Ray Anne Saupitty. 
Putting her -- the check given to her in two 
different checks. $500 in one check and $500 in 
another check, that way she don't have to pay 
taxes on it.


 MR. HENSON: She don't have to pay 
taxes on it anyway. It's on trust land.


 MR. NARCOMEY: You don't? I'd still 
like to have two different checks.


 MR. HENSON: As long it's on trust 
land, you don't have to pay taxes on it.


 MR. NARCOMEY: When it comes from 
Finley & Cook you got to pay it. You've got to 
have a W-9 every time it's over $600.


 MR. BURGESS: We don't have a BIA 
lease agreement, though. It's just temporary. 



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 We're outside the scope of it, right? See, we are 
outside the scope of that.


 MR. HENSON: That's the first time I 
heard or I've seen the lawyer not say anything. 
You stumped him on that one.


 MR. NORMAN: There is a provision for 
short-term use that takes you outside of the 
approval.


 MR. BURGESS: Uh-huh. And then if we 
do the approval process, it goes through our IM 
account, she'll get her check 30 days later.


 MR. HENSON: Will that come out of 
the fair account?


 MR. BURGESS: It will have to come 
out of the fair account because we're low on 
everything. Fair account is low, too. That's the 
only place it can come out of, because it's a 
one-time event.


 MR. HENSON: Did you try to cut any 
expenses out there in that fair account?


 MR. BURGESS: You can't cut any 
expenses on the fair account. Everything goes 
up. We're down $70,000. We budgeted 100.


 MR. HENSON: Please don't tell me 
that. Keep that away from me. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Everything is down, 
Bunky.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: It's not 
overspent yet?


 MR. BURGESS: I don't know. I 
haven't seen -


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I thought that's 
what Bob was trying to express to us.


 MR. BURGESS: Over budgeted now? 
He's adding a lot of things, the program cost and 
things, he's added that in. Some of them have 
money for outreach and -


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I second the motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Second the motion to 
rent from the Bigbows and Mr. Clyde Narcomey, the 
land for parking and then one for camping.


 MR. HENSON: Is that Bigbow's going 
to be the same price?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes.


 MR. HENSON: How much land have they 
got?


 MR. BURGESS: That acreage behind us 
to park in.


 MR. HENSON: Right on the west side? 
But there's a fence there. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Well, we got a gate 
over on our side. They're going to move the 
horses over to -- it's supposed be dry all the way 
through Saturday. Mid '80s to low '70s. We've 
got our brother Vincent complaining. Call for the 
question.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Okay. What's the 
total?


 MR. BURGESS: $1000 for each 
property.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: To come out of 
the fair budget?


 MR. BURGESS: Essentially.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'm just trying 
to get particulars down before I vote on 
something.


 MR. BURGESS: It's for the fair so we 
can charge it to the fair budget. It won't be 
payable until October 15th. When we get our 
draw down.


 MR. NARCOMEY: That's fair enough. 
Like I said, I could either -- or not -- it don't 
make me no difference.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Or you could 
charge the campers. 



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 MR. BURGESS: That's next year's 
plan.


 MR. HENSON: Call for the vote.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. All those in 
favor of the motion to rent this land, say "aye." 


(Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay." All those abstain, same sign.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I'll abstain.


 MR. BURGESS: Two abstains. All 
right. Barring any more discussion, guys.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Aren't we 
supposed to decide on smoke shop today?


 MR. BURGESS: I thought we decided to 
go forward with it.


 MR. HENSON: Did you abstain?


 MR. BURGESS: Yeah.


 MR. HENSON: You can't, there's only 
three of us here.


 MR. BURGESS: Five to make a quorum.


 MR. HENSON: But we got to do it by 
majority vote, don't we?


 MR. BURSON: Three is still a 
majority.


 MR. BURGESS: The vote is to go 



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 forward with the smoke shops. I thought we voted 
that already two months ago, that we were going to 
go forward on the smoke shops.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yeah, I know. We 
haven't finalized an LLC to where he can get his 
tax number and set up his banking accounts and get 
going to the next step.


 MR. BURGESS: Did he say he already 
did that for an EIN?


 MR. BURSON: No.


 MR. BURGESS: He needs that 
resolution?


 MR. BURSON: He needs the resolution 
to create the LLC before he has something to 
attach the EIN to.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Right.


 MR. BURGESS: I'm in favor. Do you 
have a draft of anything? That previous one? I 
didn't bring it with me.


 MR. BURSON: We have one that's been 
modified to work for -- as the CBC doing it. I 
changed it from Comanche Nation Enterprises to 
CNC. You want me to get copies made?


 MR. HENSON: What's it look like, 
Jim? 



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 MR. BURSON: It looks good to me.


 MR. BURGESS: We just need a name, 
right?


 MR. BURSON: Well, what you have is 
you still have it as you left it. Five on that -you 
have to select five. The initial board 
managers. The name is still the same as was 
decided on last meeting in August -- LLC. You can 
either, you know, five, three, one, however many 
managers you want.


 MR. HENSON: Is this going to be a 
paid position, the board managers or board 
members?


 MR. BURGESS: I had thought that we, 
CBC, should start it and then let people come 
forward after we see that it's running. That way 
it would be unpaid.


 MR. BURSON: The CBC determines the 
compensation of the board managers. The board 
managers hire the CEO.


 MR. HENSON: The CBC can act as a 
board, right?


 MR. BURSON: You -


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, we can make it 
three. 



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 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: We could make it 
three as opposed to five?


 MR. BURSON: One of the things we 
discussed with you, we'd like to point out that 
the tax commission would get, your tax commission 
would heavily regulate this entity and you all sit 
on the tax commission. So you have -- it just 
doesn't look right. Theoretically possible, 
but -


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: The three that 
sat on that wouldn't be sitting on the tax 
commission?


 MR. BURGESS: I think we need to 
initiate it with some names and at the first 
meeting take nominations for recommendations. If 
we start this now that way he can start the 
paperwork.


 MR. HENSON: The whole CBC sits on 
the tax commission?


 MR. BURSON: Yeah, all seven of you 
plus Patterson makes eight.


 MR. BURGESS: Actually, Patterson's 
an ex-officio member so we can nominate him to sit 
on this body to begin and he shouldn't even be our 
chairman. Not an official anymore. 



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 MR. BURSON: You need to select -you 
could have five and only appoint three. That 
would be kind of odd, but it's possible. You may 
want to adjust it to match the number you want to 
appoint.


 MR. HENSON: I think we ought to just 
appoint no more than three or give the okay to no 
more than three. If we want to go five later we 
can, but I think three ought to be able to do it.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Have three in the 
LLC document as the board?


 MR. HENSON: Yes.


 MR. BURSON: Put in this draft for 
the board of managers a memo of bachelor's degree 
in business, four have business-related field, and 
four have five years' business management 
experience. Do you want to stick with that?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yes.


 MR. HENSON: That's fine.


 MR. BURGESS: Do we have anything 
about non-employee, non-employee only?


 MR. BURSON: As I recall, there's no 
disability.


 MR. HENSON: Yeah, we should put in 
there not employees only of the tribe or the 



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 commission.


 MR. BURGESS: We can come back and 
change that.


 MR. HENSON: Not employees of any 
Comanche enterprise.


 MR. BURSON: Do you want to add that 
provision now?


 MR. BURGESS: Restrict it to people 
who are -- the restriction applies to employees of 
any enterprise of the tribal government -- tribal 
government employees, casinos, enterprise, 
economic development, they can't be sitting on 
this board. In the past we've gotten in trouble 
with employees sitting on these boards and body.


 MR. HENSON: So you need a motion to 
approve that?


 MR. BURGESS: Is there some 
stipulation we need to consider? Start-up 
funding? He had a budget.


 MR. BURSON: That's not necessary at 
this point. It will be a bridge you need to cross 
at some point.


 MR. HENSON: I remember he said 
budget's not going to be a problem. We should 
probably take care of that now. 



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 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: As long as we 
inform gaming that it starts at this point. The 
money is set aside for -


 MR. BURSON: The resolution that goes 
along with approving this has something -- we 
probably need to print this out, let you take a 
little break. Get this copied and printed so you 
can be looking at it, but I prepared a resolution 
for action by the CBC that states that you 
concluded that separating tobacco sales and 
related commercial enterprises from the nation's 
gaming enterprise and establishing independent 
business entity for the operation of retail 
tobacco sales will permit expansion of location, 
promote growth of sales and result in increased 
revenues to the nation.


 Therefore you're resolving that 
Comanche Business Committee acting as the member, 
which under your LLC ordinance terms as those -members 
are the ones that create LLC's -- hereby 
authorizes the creation and establishment of 
Nunupahnu, LLC as a limited liability company 
wholly owned by the Nation, formed under the 
Comanche Nation's Limited Liability Company 
ordinance and hereby approves the attached 



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 operating agreement, which you're just reviewing.


 Be it further resolved that you 
approve the transfer by the Comanche Nation Gaming 
Board of Directors or the employees, equipment, 
assets and liabilities directly related to the 
conduct of retail tobacco sales from the gaming 
enterprise to this company at a mutually suitable 
time and manner on or before January 1, 2011.


 Now, that, I need for you to digest 
because that's what I took from our little quick 
meeting at the museum board. There was some 
window that it could start any time we got it 
created and give him some sort of transition 
period. He thought he could get done and they 
could get it done by the first of the year. Is 
that still -


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: That sounds like 
what it was.


 MR. BURSON: And then that would all 
be in accordance with generally accepted 
accounting principals. Accounting for the 
equipment, assets and liabilities and 
transferring. Then the CBC acting as a member 
hereby appoints the following persons as managers 
of company, effective immediately, and directs 



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 said managers to take actions to organize and 
assume management of the company in accordance 
with operating agreement.


 And I need -- got room for however 
many managers and you would identify their term. 
The agreement calls for a three-year term or if 
you're a tribal elected official, your term as a 
manager would coincide with your term as an 
elected official.


 MR. BURGESS: So if we went with five 
people and two from the CBC and three from the 
outside.


 MR. HENSON: Managers?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: We should keep it 
at three.


 MR. HENSON: Why are you saying 
managers?


 MR. BURSON: That's the terminology 
used in your ordinance.


 MR. HENSON: Three.


 MR. BURSON: It's the same function 
as the board of directors, only they're called 
board of managers.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Either we need to 
appoint CBC or stall the whole process and take 



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 applications.


 MR. BURGESS: I think we ought to 
appoint the CBC to get it started.


 MR. HENSON: So you need to take 
three CBC off the tax commission and put them the 
board, is that what you're suggesting?


 MR. BURSON: The way it could work 
functionally, is your three CBC would have to 
recuse themselves from any actions. If they still 
sat on the commission, tax commission, they should 
recuse themselves of any actions concerning the 
company in regards to tax commission.


 MR. HENSON: Is that going to do 
anything to the quorum?


 MR. BURSON: It could. If you had 
one or two people absent that weren't from the tax 
commission meeting that were on the board and 
would kill your quorum for action.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: But that's our 
big day, most everybody makes it on that Thursday.


 MR. HENSON: The three there that 
could go on the board, it's still going to be a 
quorum, but they would have to recuse themselves 
from any kind of business conducting the smoke 
shop. So it'd still be a quorum, so it's not 



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 going to bother it, right?


 MR. BURSON: Yeah, you're right. 
MR. HENSON: Okay. Let's operate 
that way. 
MR. BURGESS: Out of you four, who

 wants to volunteer?


 MR. BURSON: Either five year's 
business experience or bachelor's degree is the 
way it sits now.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I have a 
bachelor's degree, business degree in marketing, 
but it's in business, marketing emphasis.


 MR. BURGESS: We've got two. All 
right. I'll be the other one for the time being.


 MR. BURSON: One of the things you 
also need to do is identify your agent -- excuse 
me, address for service purposes.


 MR. BURGESS: He had that, didn't 
he? He had an address and all that filled out 
from Jarrett. He has the paperwork on that 
registry. Can you text him or something? You 
could call or e-mail you or text it to us.


 MR. BURSON: You two guys -- is fivemember 
board of managers and only appoint three 
now. Three total? 



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 MR. BURGESS: The smaller the better, 
probably.


 By consensus, we agree. The chairman 
should discuss with the TA the correction of 
bringing an employee back to service while there's 
an ongoing investigation. I need a motion.


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Henson made a 
motion. Second?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll second.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Clyde got the


 second on that. 
MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'm sorry, I had 
my head down. 
MR. BURGESS: All those in favor say 
"aye." 
(Aye.) 
MR. BURGESS: All those opposed say 
"nay". The ayes have it. One abstention.


 The motion is to approve the naming 
and the appointments of the board of managers for 
the smoke shop and the establishment of the LLC, 
N-U-N-U-P-A-H-N-U. And the vote was positive, 
yes.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Motion to adjourn. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Is there anything 
else? And then we'll have to call another meeting 
with the Board Directors and probably the tax 
commission. That's it? Motion to adjourn by 
Mr. Wauahdooah. Second?


 MR. HENSON: Second.


 (Meeting adjourned at 4:09 p.m.)


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 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) 


) 
COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA )


 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 
Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 
the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 
is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 
that the meeting was held on September 27, 2010, 
in the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an 
attorney for nor a relative of any said parties, 
or otherwise interested in the event of said 
action.


 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 
hereunto set my hand and seal of office on this 
the 22nd day of October, 2010. 


Kelly Stoabs 
Certified Shorthand Reporter 
for the State of Oklahoma 



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 I, Robert Tippeconnie, SecretaryTreasurer 
of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 
certify that the above is a true and correct 
transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at


 1:14 p.m. on September 27, 2010, and that the 
meeting was duly called and held in all respects 
in accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 
Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 
I further certify that the votes and 
resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 
at the meeting are operative and in full force and 
effect and have not been annulled or modified by 
any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 
CBC since that meeting.


 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________


 Robert Tippeconnie


 Secretary-Treasurer