1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 8 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 9 MONTHLY MEETING 10 SEPTEMBER 5, 2009, 10:00 A.M. 11 COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 12 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 __________________________________________________ REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR 23 DODSON REPORTING & ASSOCIATES 435 NORTH WALKER, SUITE 102 24 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA 73102 (405) 235-1828 ~ (405) 235-1266 (FAX) 25 dcri@coxinet.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Michael Burgess, Chairman 5 Richard Henson, Vice-Chairman 6 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer 7 Edmond Mahseet, Committeeman #1 8 Lanny Asepermy, Committeeman #2 9 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 10 Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4 11 LEGAL COUNSEL: 12 William Norman, James Burson 13 Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 14 15 16 * * * * * * 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 2 PAGE 3 Meeting called to order at 10:00 a.m. 6 4 Invocation. 6 5 Roll call. 6 6 Discussion of minors' money in the bank. 8 7 Motion passed to add Bigbow family 9 to executive session. 8 Motion passed to approve previous minutes. 13 9 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 13 10 129-09/Enrollment/List No. 799 Ineligible. 11 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 13 130-09/Enrollment/List No. 800 Ineligible. 12 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 13 13 131-09/Enrollment/List No. 801 Ineligible. 14 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 15 132-09/Enrollment/List No. 802 Eligible. 15 Tabled - Resolution Number 133-09/Approve 15 16 Comanche Nation Human Resources Policies & Procedures. 17 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 26 18 134-09/Assign the Tribal Employment Rights Office TERO under the Jurisdiction of Tribal 19 Administrator. 20 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 31 135-09/Approve Comanche Nation Record 21 Retention Policies. 22 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 35 136-09/Election Board Compensation. 23 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 50 24 137-09/Office of the Special Trustee. 25 4 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continue) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 52 138-09/Any garnishments, fines, court ordered 4 restitutions be deposited in interest bearing account at the City National Bank. 5 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 54 6 139-09/Comanche Nation Elder Center Account. 7 Motion passed to approve Resolution Numbers 63 140-09 through 148-09/Approving profit on BIA 8 contracts. 9 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 70 149-09/BIA PL 93-638 Contract Request on 10 Route 7175 Exit 1 off Interstate 44 Cotton County. 11 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 71 12 150-09/BIA PL 93-638 Contract Request on Access Road from Lee Blvd. to Lawton Casino. 13 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 72 14 151-09/Bank Signatures. 15 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 73 152-09/Drawdown of 20% Funds. 16 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 74 17 153-09/Land Acquisition Account. 18 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 74 154-09/Environmental Protection Program Grant. 19 Motion passed to approve Resolution Number 79 20 155-09/Disaster Emergency Services Coordinator. 21 Motion passed to approve Big Bear's 83 22 Lawn Care. 23 Motion passed to approve Co-Location 92 of the Fire Service and Law Enforcement as an 24 Emergency Services in the Fire Station. 25 5 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continue) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to rescind proposed purchase 100 of property owned by Winifred Pope. 4 Motion passed to approve Tribal 101 5 Administrator's travel to Tribal Net conference. 6 Motion regarding Higher Education tabled, 104 7 further discussion being required. 8 Motion passed approving United Methodist 105 Church to use tribal vans. 9 Motion passed to disapprove the Comanche 110 10 Golf Association request for $2,805. 11 Motion passed to approve Native 111 Journeys' use of bus. 12 Presentation by Dehny Roman/Trinity 120 13 Global Communications. 14 Water Park and Complex Headquarters 130 Parking Lots. 15 Tabled - Outreach Center/Funds and Supplies. 139 16 Motion passed to go into executive 147 17 session. 18 Executive session held from 1:07 p.m. 147 to 5:05 p.m. 19 Meeting recessed to September 21, 2009. 147 20 Reporter's Certificate. 148 21 Secretary/Treasurer's Certificate. 149 22 23 24 25 6 1 (Meeting called to order at 2 10:00 a.m.) 3 MR. BURGESS: Welcome, everybody. I 4 hope the rain didn't hold everybody back, but 5 that's okay. It's a holiday. We're going to go 6 ahead and offer a word of prayer, and this prayer 7 will cover our lunch over there for those of you 8 who might need to eat if you didn't have breakfast 9 already. If you'll bear with me. 10 (Invocation.) 11 MR. BURGESS: I'm going to turn to 12 our Secretary/Treasurer to give us a roll call. 13 We're called to order here. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Michael Burgess? 15 MR. BURGESS: Here. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Richard Henson? 17 MR. HENSON: Here. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Robert Tippeconnie? 19 Here. 20 Edmond Mahseet? 21 MR. MAHSEET: Here. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Lanny Asepermy? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Here. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Darrell 25 Kosechequetah? 7 1 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Here. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Clyde Narcomey? 3 MR. NARCOMEY: Here. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have a quorum, 5 all present. 6 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, I need 7 to amend the agenda. About three weeks ago the 8 Taipei Society requested to be put on the agenda, 9 and at that time I think me and you and Bunky were 10 in the area, and we had told, I think, Civa, to 11 put them on there, and they're not on here. 12 MR. BURGESS: They're not on this 13 one? Okay. 14 MR. NARCOMEY: We need to put them on 15 there. And I think it's the Bigbow family. And 16 while they're here, we can talk to them about that 17 land behind the transportation office, which they 18 still own and we're trying to buy. I think that 19 would be a good time to talk to them. 20 MR. HENSON: Is that going to be in 21 executive session or -- 22 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: New business. 24 MR. NARCOMEY: Executive session, 25 that's what they requested. 8 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Executive session? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Number 13. 3 MR. BURGESS: A motion's been made, 4 gentlemen, to add the Bigbow family request into 5 our executive session. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Number 13. 7 MR. BURGESS: Number 13? 8 MR. NARCOMEY: Also, I think we need 9 to talk about our minors' money in the bank. I've 10 got a lot of complaints or inquiries about we're 11 not getting enough interest, like I think we're 12 not even getting a percent. You'll have to answer 13 that. But it seems to me like we need to get to a 14 bank that's going to give us more interest with no 15 risk. There's a lot of difference between .5 and, 16 say, 3.5. 17 Somewhere down the line us guys need 18 to talk to somebody at different banks to try to 19 get more money for our kids that are two years 20 old, three years old, because, I mean, you know, 21 the most interest you get, the more money they're 22 going to get when they turn 18. But, anyway, I'd 23 just like for us to talk about it. 24 MR. BURGESS: First, we have a motion 25 on the floor, Clyde, that's been made. We're 9 1 looking for a second to the Bigbow family to our 2 executive session. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 4 MR. BURGESS: We have a second over 5 here on the left. All those in favor signify by 6 saying "aye." 7 (Aye.) 8 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 9 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 10 passed. 11 Your topic, Clyde, on the interest 12 rate area, it is a subject that is very dear to 13 everybody. I think we should go ahead and discuss 14 that in general session away from the agenda 15 here. But you're right. So if we can pick a 16 date, guys, and get with the Secretary/Treasurer 17 and meet sometime, either the week before or the 18 week after -- 19 MR. ASEPERMY: That was addressed 20 last night at Cache. 21 MR. BURGESS: Well, we're telling 22 them, but now the discussion is what we're going 23 to do so we should come to a general informational 24 meeting of our own to look at options, before 25 January 1 anyway. 10 1 MR. HENSON: We had started some 2 preliminary discussions about the interest that 3 first time we met, remember? 4 MR. BURGESS: Clyde, there was some 5 general discussion on that. That's why I'm saying 6 let's have a different meeting with the bank. 7 MR. NARCOMEY: It's just a 8 suggestion. 9 MR. BURGESS: It's a good suggestion, 10 and you're right, our folks are concerned. 11 MR. NARCOMEY: These young kids are 12 the future. Just like this young man right here's 13 got a set of twins, you know. So they're -- not 14 just him and the kids could be involved, everybody 15 here has got young kids, you know. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want to make this 17 comment: I think we can, as you suggest, 18 Mr. Chairman, we can visit on this as a CBC. But 19 also we have an upcoming meeting with City Bank & 20 Trust Company relative to the per cap, so that's 21 coming up, so at that moment I think we can 22 visit. 23 I just want to make this comment: If 24 you look at the world economy, you look at the 25 U.S. economy, you know, low risk investment, 11 1 that's where you make sure your money is safe, 2 interest rates are very low. The economy is just 3 down, so you're not going to make interest rates. 4 So one thing that we have attempted 5 to do in this respect at the City National Bank, 6 which is our trust holder for these minor 7 accounts, is that we've laddered that. What I 8 mean by that, we take the whole of the moneys, we 9 put certain components in it, time and a term, and 10 then we move it. So if the interest rate goes up, 11 the bank can move it up to the higher interest. 12 We don't have it all lumped in one kind of term. 13 So we try to do that, working with our trust 14 company, City National Bank, to do that. So 15 they're very aware that low risk investments are 16 not earning anything. 17 The thing that we all need to know, 18 too, is low risk is what our Revenue Allocation 19 Plan says the way we invest it. We cannot invest 20 it in risky circumstances which are at higher 21 interest rates. Because if you look at the people 22 that lost money in this past year at high interest 23 rates, they lost tremendous amounts of money. 24 Millions if not billions of dollars were lost, 25 because they were at these risk levels hoping to 12 1 get these big interest rates. 2 Well, we have to be conservative, 3 because that's the way the Revenue Allocation Plan 4 was passed by all the tribal members, to keep it 5 at low risk, keeping the money safe. 6 MR. HENSON: I might add one thing to 7 that. It's not going to make very much difference 8 where you bank at. The interest rates are all 9 about the same as far as in savings moneys. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it's just not 11 a good time. 12 MR. HENSON: It's not. I've raised 13 Cane with my bank because of that same reason. 14 MR. BURGESS: So, Mr. Tippeconnie, 15 Secretary/Treasurer, if you can set that meeting 16 up and let us know about it in advance enough that 17 we can try to put it in our schedules. Was it the 18 month of October you're talking about? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 20 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, would you 21 like to take your time to peruse last meeting's 22 minutes, if you want to? If not, we can proceed 23 with our normal resolution process. 24 MR. MAHSEET: Mr. Chairman, for the 25 sake of time and our agenda, I make a motion to 13 1 move with the minutes. 2 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made to 3 move with the minutes, to approve them. Second? 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 5 MR. BURGESS: A second's been made. 6 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 7 (Aye.) 8 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 9 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 10 passed, minutes are approved. 11 All right, the next order of 12 business, in the interest of time again, ladies 13 and gentlemen, we have three resolutions, which 14 are 1, 2, and 3. These are enrollment lists of 15 ineligibles. The CBC has decided to lump these 16 together in one resolution, or I should say one 17 vote, to approve the ineligibles upon our 18 application for membership in the tribe. So with 19 that, gentlemen, entertain a motion. 20 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 21 approve, Mr. Chairman, the first three 22 resolutions, 129-09, 130-09, 131-09. 23 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I second, 24 Mr. Chairman. 25 MR. BURGESS: A second has been made 14 1 by Mr. Kosechequetah. All those in favor signify 2 by saying "aye." 3 (Aye.) 4 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 5 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 6 carries. 7 Now Resolution Number 132-09, which 8 is a motion to approve applicants. These 9 applicants are all eligible. Did anybody count 10 them up for us? 11 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm doing that right 12 now, Mr. Chairman. 13 MR. BURGESS: And this is a holiday, 14 ladies and gentlemen, a holiday weekend, and we're 15 trying to do this in the interest of everybody who 16 has reunions and families or events they want to 17 get to. 18 All members are determined to be 19 eligible for membership as they are descendants of 20 original allottees, and they meet the requirement 21 of one-eighth blood membership of the Comanche 22 Nation. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: 102, Mr. Chairman. 24 MR. BURGESS: All right, 102 new 25 members. Entertain a motion to approve. 15 1 MR. HENSON: I'll make that motion. 2 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 3 Mr. Henson. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 5 MR. BURGESS: Second by 6 Mr. Asepermy. All those in favor signify by 7 saying "aye." 8 (Aye.) 9 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 10 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 11 carried. 12 Coming to Resolution Number 133-09. 13 This is to approve Comanche Nation Human Resources 14 Policies and Procedures. It's something we've 15 discussed extensively in the works now for quite 16 some time. Right, Mr. Tippeconnie? 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. And we have 18 those copies for the TA. 19 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, they're not 20 attached. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: They're making copies 22 right now. I did talk to Mr. Nelson. Willie, 23 where are you at? 24 MR. BURGESS: He went out. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: I did talk to Willie 16 1 and I did talk to Shirley Rivera. I know they 2 were working on it and we did mention it 3 yesterday. And, Bunky, I understand y'all spent 4 about 10 hours on it yesterday, to finalize it. I 5 think we need to come back to this as soon as we 6 get a copy of that, and we can finish that today, 7 but I want to see the copy. Bunky, are you 8 satisfied with the -- 9 MR. HENSON: I'd like to read it 10 before we approve it. 11 MR. BURGESS: Do you want to table it 12 till the next meeting? 13 MR. ASEPERMY: No, I don't want to 14 table it till the next meeting, but I'd like to 15 review it. 16 MR. NELSON: Where are y'all at? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Have you got a copy of 18 the P&P? 19 MR. NELSON: Yes. The girls stayed 20 till 6:30 last night, and they stayed till 11:30. 21 There's four copies there, guys. We've been 22 working on this for the last five weeks. Robert's 23 been working on it for the last five months. 1983 24 was the last time the P&P was ever established. A 25 lot of things have happened since then. Our good 17 1 attorney friend came and helped us out yesterday, 2 Mr. Burson. The fingerprints of the CBC is all 3 over this, and this is good. You know, this 4 document that was policies and procedures has 5 stood up for 26 years. 2009, I would hope this 6 document stands up for another 30 years, but we've 7 got an ever changing world. 8 Things that weren't addressed in '83, 9 sexual harassment. '83, they didn't have a 10 network piracy, they didn't have the Patriot Act, 11 didn't have terrorism. All the things that are 12 prevalent today in the 21st Century, we've tried 13 to address. Gentlemen, millions of dollars have 14 been held up because of this. Am I right, Robert? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it helps us 16 get out of high risk. 17 MR. NELSON: Right. We have promised 18 the BIA over and over again, Supreme Governing 19 Body, that we will have procedure and policy in 20 place. P&P, the essence of why we're here to 21 serve the people. I would hope and I would pray 22 that the CBC sees fit that 2009 is the year that 23 we establish this procedure and policy. 24 There's three more copies coming. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I would 18 1 like to not table this, but go back to it after 2 we've had -- 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Hold it for a 4 while. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: -- had adequate time 6 to -- I know we've seen the preliminaries. I 7 don't know what's changed. I know Mr. Henson's 8 worked on it with Willie and Robert. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mr. Burson as of 10 late. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: And bring this to a 12 vote before we finish, adjourn today. 13 MR. NELSON: I would hope Mr. Burson 14 would add something. 15 MR. BURSON: I'd like to look at the 16 final product before you take action on it, too. 17 All I got to do was the very tail end, about an 18 hour-and-a-half of an eight-hour session 19 yesterday. I'm not sure what happened before I 20 got here. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, why don't we do 22 this. 23 MR. HENSON: I'm going to send you a 24 bill for that first eight hours I worked for you. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, we've 19 1 waited for 26 years. I think we can wait 30 more 2 days. We need to -- we all need to review it. 3 Clyde, what do you think, Eddie? I think we need 4 to look it over. 5 MR. NELSON: Robert, could you share 6 something about the -- 7 MR. BURGESS: Let Robert here share 8 with you some information. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'd like to say for 10 everyone here, you know, we've done some 11 tremendous things as a Nation to get ourselves out 12 of high risk, and I think we've explained to you 13 before why we're in high risk. You know, we have 14 federal contracts, and those federal contracts 15 weren't in compliance. Out of compliance because 16 we didn't do reporting, we may have had some 17 moneys moved into the wrong place. It wasn't 18 illegal kind of things, but they were wrong things 19 under the terms of contracts. 20 In addition to that, we had outmoded 21 travel policies, outmoded procurement policies, 22 outmoded, outdated human relations, our personnel 23 here, policies. We just had all of those. We've 24 worked very aggressively to get out of high risk. 25 Once you're out of high risk and you can show to 20 1 the agencies, the federal agencies, in this case 2 the Bureau of Indian Affairs, the U.S. Department 3 of Interior has given us this standing of high 4 risk. So to get out of it, you have to show that 5 we're moving on these things, we're getting all 6 these policies in place, all these procedures in 7 place. But the most important thing is once 8 they're in place, we abide by them, we follow 9 them. So we have to get these things in place 10 now. You know, as aggressively as we have moved, 11 we'd like to see, when we finish this fiscal year, 12 we have all these things in place. 13 I have to tell you, there's two other 14 things that we're not yet on top of, and that is 15 our total accounting handbook, which we're working 16 on. We're trying to complete an accounting 17 handbook. It's almost done. The draft is all 18 done, so we have that. 19 And the other one is to get all our 20 physical buildings here appraised, because they're 21 assets. They belong to the Nation, they have a 22 value on them, so we have to put them in our books 23 to say this is what they're valued at. So those 24 two things are yet standing. 25 We're going to attempt to get the 21 1 appraisal done by the end of this month with an 2 outside appraiser. The other accounting book is 3 already done, so unfortunately we'll probably have 4 to bring that up in a later month. But it will be 5 the last major feature of all this to get done. 6 The other thing is for all of our 7 directors to be in compliance with reporting. We 8 still have some things we're working on that with 9 directors to be sure that we're reporting 10 appropriately. And the TA is going to be meeting 11 with some of them again shortly to reinforce 12 that. But, anyway, getting this all done, getting 13 the human resource plan finished in September is 14 going to help a lot. 15 Another great feature that we've 16 accomplished in the last few years, and I'm not 17 trying to brag about myself, but I want to say 18 since I've come in here, you know, I saw that we 19 were four audits behind. And I haven't been here 20 very long, as you know. Well, we finished our 21 2008 audit, which ended September of last year, in 22 June of this year, and I think that is 23 outstanding. Because when we finish this year, 24 September of this year, in October or November we 25 can begin the audit of this year. And that's 22 1 phenomenal. 2 And I have to tell you that when we 3 had the 2008 audit here in June of this year, a 4 good part of it came out A. And that's amazing, 5 because the previous audits were all F, F, F, we 6 all fail, fail, fail. And the one thing is, when 7 you back up audits that fast and you go back to 8 back, sure you're going to have failings, because 9 there's hardly time to correct them all. So I'm 10 cheering, because I think if we get these policies 11 in place, it's going to help this Nation get out 12 of high risk. 13 And I have to say this, too: That 14 given all this performance, I feel right now just 15 what we've done is enough to urge the Bureau, 16 Department of Interior to get us out of high 17 risk. It's enough. Because they can waive to 18 say, yes, we have done all these things and we've 19 done it aggressively. We've done it in a short 20 period of time, and I think that is outstanding. 21 Because most of us don't understand, 22 you've got to have all these things done to 23 operate a good government. Government doesn't 24 operate without good policy, with good 25 procedures. And then when you have those, people 23 1 can come in place and put them, and we put them in 2 place. 3 Yes? 4 MS. ISAAC: I think we understand 5 that, but we wanted the Committee, past Committees 6 to do what they were doing, just like our 7 government, we think they're doing for us. But a 8 lot of this stuff, like the sexual harassment, it 9 was tried -- they tried to put it in place. I 10 remember Debbie Hendrix was doing things to try to 11 do that. But when something good starts 12 happening, somebody's going to knock them down, 13 because they don't want to follow the rules. And 14 it wasn't us, it was whoever was on the Committee. 15 I mean, there's rules, and we all know that 16 there's rules that need to be abided by. But it 17 was the Committee, whoever they were. 18 MR. BURGESS: That's -- you're right, 19 Bev. In years past, I got to see some notes, and 20 I got to see some motions that were made but they 21 were never acted upon. We're not going to squelch 22 this, because this is part of our package to 23 respond to the audit findings. So if we don't 24 approve it today -- in fact, we may not get 25 through this agenda today. It's a holiday weekend 24 1 and we're trying to go through this. So we've got 2 several items that are all very similar, so what 3 we're going to do is run through the items as 4 quickly as we can. And if we have to recess to 5 another day, I'm going to ask everybody to look at 6 the 20th, if we have to recess, so we can complete 7 this before October 1. We have that deadline for 8 our fiscal year, the policies, all that, if we 9 recess. 10 MS. ISAAC: Another thing about the 11 Bureau of Indian Affairs, we don't need to hold 12 them so high in esteem. We need to turn around 13 and everybody needs to sign a petition or whatever 14 and sue that Bureau for allowing so much of our 15 past issues to go as bad as they are right now, 16 especially with our lands. People selling and 17 buying lands without even knowing, the writing on 18 that dotted line. I can't do that myself. How 19 did the Committee do it and put us in such a bad 20 place right now? The Bureau needs to be sued. I 21 think our lawyers need to work on that. 22 MR. BURGESS: Okay. That's a comment 23 for the future. Well, thank you. Gentlemen, we 24 will hold this, so as we go through, and if we 25 don't get through the whole agenda, check your 25 1 calendars for the 20th. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 21st would be 3 Monday. 4 MR. BURGESS: 21st, then, excuse me. 5 That's the day before we start our reunion and 6 Comanche Fair activities. So Monday we'll try to 7 look at this in the afternoon. What is your 8 schedule that Monday, Eddie? 9 MR. MAHSEET: I just have to leave by 10 3:00 or 3:30. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We may want to do 12 it in the morning. 13 MR. BURGESS: We may want to do it in 14 the morning at 9:00. We may look at this room, 15 not the Business Center, if we recess. I want 16 these people to have a weekend here. We've all 17 got families and things going on. We'll get 18 through the majority of our resolutions and our 19 motions. We'll get as many as we can of our 20 charitable contribution requests, I should say 21 executive session materials. If we can't get 22 through that, then we'll recess until that Monday 23 morning so we can complete and approve this, 24 specifically these policies that have to be 25 approved by September 1. 26 1 Do we have any other policies and 2 procedures that have to be updated? Is this the 3 only one? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have another one 5 in here, we'll get it to, on records, how we keep 6 records, and that's pretty easy to read. 7 MR. BURGESS: That's another policy 8 that has to be developed because of the enormous 9 amount of electronic material that we store now, 10 the repository and the safety. It's very 11 important. 12 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Our constitution 13 specifically addresses the issue of making sure 14 not only do we have our minutes of meetings here, 15 but they are to be also sent to the Bureau. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Which we do. We 17 have been sending them to the Bureau. 18 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Okay. Because the 19 last time I looked at some stuff, they said they 20 hadn't gotten anything since he was here. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, since I've been 22 here, it's been pretty regular. 23 MR. BURGESS: We're going to move on 24 to Item Number 6. Gentlemen, this is a 25 resolution, and ladies, a resolution assigning the 27 1 Tribal Employment Rights Office, or TERO, under 2 the jurisdiction of Tribal Administrator. His 3 office will be responsible for continuing the TERO 4 office and its responsibilities for the tribe. 5 That's Number 134-09. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: 134-09? 7 MR. BURGESS: Yes. His office will 8 be responsible for securing the annual grants or 9 reports that are done for TERO. 10 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 11 approve that resolution, Mr. Chairman. 12 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 13 Mr. Narcomey to approve. Second, please? 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll second it. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 16 MR. MAHSEET: Second. 17 MR. BURGESS: The CBC seconds it. 18 That would be either Eddie or Lanny. 19 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Sir, I heard somebody 20 in the background here say, "What's TERO?" 21 MR. BURGESS: Oh. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: Tribal Employment 23 Rights Office. 24 MS. ISAAC: You know, at one time I 25 asked Mr. Choney what does the TERO office do, and 28 1 he said it's not like a tribal employee can go to 2 him and complain. It's the outside people can 3 come to him and complain about -- like if they 4 have a job at Goodyear, they can come to him and 5 he'll try to intervene. So what do they do, 6 actually? 7 MR. BURGESS: Eddie? Go ahead, 8 Eddie. 9 MR. MAHSEET: Actually, Beverly, TERO 10 actually enforces federal law. And what they do, 11 it's not a hearing office for any outside 12 entities, but what they do is actually enforce 13 federal law that is building or has any type of 14 renovation on or near tribal land, and they're 15 able to tax that company or entity. That's how 16 they generate a revenue to keep the office going. 17 MS. ISAAC: So that's really not 18 tribal employee rights? 19 MS. ATTOCKNIE: The TERO office, the 20 Tribal Employee Rights Office, was established 21 through a cooperative agreement between the tribes 22 in Oklahoma as well as with EEOC. The TERO 23 officers from the various tribes work as a liaison 24 with EEOC. EEOC has such a load, or case load of 25 cases, so that with the TERO offices and the 29 1 officers with the various tribes, then it's the 2 TERO officers that can help intervene, assess, 3 assist, direct, and help tribal people that do not 4 work within our tribal government. 5 The tribal governments have no 6 control over what goes on in Goodyear, Wal-Mart, 7 the grocery store -- I started to say TG&Y. I 8 just dated myself -- or any other businesses or 9 organizations. One of the things is that even 10 with working with EEOC, there are specifically, 11 out of the seven civil rights acts, there are only 12 three that pertain to tribal governments. That's 13 disabilities, aging, and sexual harassment, which 14 I'm hoping that with these personnel policies that 15 those are being addressed. But that's what it is. 16 MR. BURGESS: They are being 17 addressed. All those in favor signify by saying 18 "aye." 19 (Aye.) 20 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 21 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 22 have it. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: I have one question 24 for Mr. Nelson. 25 MR. NELSON: Yes, sir. 30 1 MR. ASEPERMY: We have just affirmed 2 the assignment of the TERO office under your 3 jurisdiction. Have you got -- when do you plan to 4 advertise to fill this position that's been vacant 5 for -- well, since Mr. Choney passed? 6 MR. NELSON: Immediately, I guess. I 7 guess if you guys are moving it to me, we'll do it 8 right now. 9 MR. BURGESS: Well, you have to 10 advertise and follow internal procedures. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You have to follow 12 the new policies. 13 MR. NELSON: We have to follow the 14 new policies, guys. 15 Phyllis, it has timed out. It has 16 elapsed for a year-and-a-half, so it has timed 17 out. 18 MS. ATTOCKNIE: It has timed out. 19 But, also, in the past, every individual that was 20 a TERO officer for the Comanche Nation, they went 21 through the same processes as the personnel 22 policies, even though they're 26 years old. I 23 know, because I was the TERO officer for five 24 years. 25 MR. BURGESS: We're going to move 31 1 on. 2 Ladies and gentlemen, those of you 3 that didn't get breakfast or need a snack, help 4 yourself, we've already prayed. So if you're 5 hungry or thirsty, help yourself over there, 6 please. 7 Item Number 7, Resolution 135-09, 8 Approve Comanche Nation Record Retention Policies. 9 MS. SHANGREAUX: Did we table it? 10 MR. BURGESS: No, it passed. Boy, 11 we're moving fast. She missed it. 12 MR. HENSON: And she's a reporter, 13 too. 14 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, have you 15 read this? I kind of read through it. 16 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion we 17 approve it. 18 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 19 Mr. Henson. Do I hear a second? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I second. 21 MR. BURGESS: Second by 22 Mr. Tippeconnie. All those in favor signify by 23 saying "aye." 24 (Aye.) 25 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 32 1 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, before 3 we start, I'd like to ask Robert and Willie, we've 4 got all of this record retention. Where do we 5 store it? Where do we put it? Has the barn been 6 cleaned out, has it been inventoried, and has it 7 been categorized? 8 MR. NELSON: Like I said about the 9 P&P, the policies and procedures, we're in the 10 21st Century. Most of this is media, data, media. 11 Now, we promised the BIA, we promised our federal 12 sources that we would back up to another source, 13 back up our entire information. From that backup, 14 we go and store it in a moisture retention place. 15 This will happen with the money I have. It calls 16 for money. We've got to have the money to do 17 this. It's all in place, guys. Our stuff we have 18 in boxes, this week maintenance is putting in some 19 moisture boxes. 20 Now, I will move to the CBC this 21 coming fiscal year, we need to store this in a 22 humidity, moisture-proof facility. It doesn't 23 need to be in a barn. The way it stands now, a 24 lot of records have been lost. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Can you give us a time 33 1 frame? 2 MR. NELSON: Fiscal year, October 1. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Completion, 4 categorized, stored properly? 5 MR. NELSON: That's why I wanted 6 Travis on the agenda. You guys said wait for the 7 college, because we've got some issues. 8 MR. BURGESS: That was a different 9 subject. 10 MR. NELSON: Actually, it's not. 11 MR. BURGESS: Well, hang on. 12 MR. NELSON: It's not. We've got 13 some issues. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: You're moving with 15 it? 16 MR. BURGESS: You can start with the 17 tribe, the college will come later. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's going to be 19 work. It isn't going to be easy, it's going to be 20 work. 21 MR. NELSON: Excuse me, guys. 22 Travis, he is our systems analyst. Without going 23 over our heads, Travis, go ahead. 24 MR. CHIBITTY: What we're going to be 25 doing is bringing in a full solution for the tribe 34 1 for LaserFiche. So we're going to take a lot of 2 the old documents that we have now and make them 3 electronic so that they can be stored locally, so 4 we can put these files somewhere safe and they'll 5 be handled the least amount possible to retain 6 them. 7 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Let me make a 8 statement here, Mr. TA. Before we do anything 9 with all the other entities, you're correct, 10 you're right. This resolution is very positive 11 for the Nation. But we need to inform all the 12 other entities in a more coordinated manner. 13 We're not just going to walk over 14 there and tell them to do this. We need to 15 publish a memo from my office with your signature, 16 and let them know what we're doing, give them a 17 copy of the policy and set up a time frame and 18 date, and we get with all the other entities so we 19 set in place a -- call it a training session or a 20 little workshop of what we're doing, why we're 21 doing it, and who is maintaining all this. 22 Because a lot of it will have that sensitivity 23 title over it, whether it's financial or 24 personal. 25 So what we're doing here when we pass 35 1 this motion, you can start with the tribe, and 2 then all the other entities will have to be 3 notified by letter and note, so that way we have 4 good communications. Everybody knows what's going 5 on when you come over there. Fair? 6 MR. NELSON: There you go, Lanny. 7 We're kind of waiting around. 8 MR. BURGESS: Okay, guys. Any other 9 suggestions, ideas? Gentlemen, call for the 10 question. All those in favor signify by saying 11 "aye." 12 (Aye.) 13 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 14 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 15 passes. 16 Gentlemen, Item Number 8, Resolution 17 Number 136-09, Election Board Compensation. In 18 discussions with the Election Board, and because 19 we've had other meetings going on, the Election 20 Board has come up with a set of -- I'm looking for 21 Charles. There he is, all right -- a listing. I 22 don't know if Eddie has one down there. Some of 23 the expenses that they planned or incurred. Do 24 you fellows have this one? Mr. Wells, come 25 forward and discuss with us. 36 1 MR. WELLS: We prepared this under 2 the direction of the Election Board. We came out 3 with what we were budgeted last year, and we put 4 in reserve $100,000 for special elections and 5 recalls. So that you can see by that we're not -- 6 our compensation, and also the General Council, 7 the primary elections and stuff like that, what it 8 comes to. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Charles, what's this 10 under here? You've got two numbers under the 11 total. What's this number and what's this 12 number? 13 MR. WELLS: This is what we're 14 spending on all this and this is the reserve. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Because we don't know 16 how many of these? 17 MR. WELLS: Right. We don't know how 18 many we're going to have here. And we don't know 19 anything that will come about. But that's -- you 20 know, basically reduced this right here from the 21 24 to the 12, and we've had to -- we're going to 22 cut back so that after -- after June, the Election 23 Board will be shut down. 24 And I think, Lanny, you brought up 25 about Election Services and what they're costing 37 1 us. We did some research, and there are some more 2 companies out there that we need to further 3 research so that we can lower our costs. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Give it to Robert and 5 have him provide copies to the CBC later. 6 MR. BURGESS: For the record, we have 7 that for the record. 8 Discussion? What we have submitted 9 is an outline budget here that's somewhat 10 different than that's the -- written in on the 11 resolution here, gentlemen. Invite comments here, 12 discussion here. Do we need to do this today, 13 Mr. Wells? 14 MR. WELLS: No, we'd like to meet 15 with the CBC and discuss it further about what we 16 need to do. 17 MR. BURGESS: Furthermore? 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Is this the proposed 19 budget for '10? 20 MR. BURGESS: Upcoming. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: What did we budget for 22 '10 for the Election Board? 23 MR. BURGESS: Bob has it. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Bob? 25 MR. WELLS: We budgeted 250,000. We 38 1 originally had 300, then we came down to 275, and 2 not it got slashed again and now it's 250. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: What is it? 4 MR. BURGESS: 250. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: And this fits into the 6 category of reserve of 100,000 that may be spent 7 or may not be. 8 MR. WELLS: In the event, that 9 100,000 would go back to the general fund. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: This resolution just 11 basically covers your stipends? 12 MR. WELLS: Yes. And that's all -- 13 we did those so that as of June, we'll have the 14 clerk, but as of June, after the primary election, 15 the Election Board will shut down until the fiscal 16 year of October. 17 MR. BURGESS: Let me ask you a 18 question on the clerk: Have you budgeted in a 19 three percent? 20 MR. WELLS: Yes, I have. 21 MR. BURGESS: That would take effect 22 October? 23 MR. WELLS: October 1. 24 MR. BURGESS: That is three percent? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: COLA. And we have 39 1 increased indirect. It's almost 25 percent. We 2 have to include that. 3 MR. WELLS: I've included that. 4 MR. BURGESS: You have? Without 5 saying it, you have it figured in? 6 MR. WELLS: I have it figured in. 7 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, am I to 8 assume the clerk will only start fiscal year 9 October to June? 10 MR. WELLS: No, the clerk will be 11 year round, but the Election Board itself will 12 shut down. 13 MR. NELSON: Will go to June? 14 MR. WELLS: Will go to June, shut 15 down until October 1, and then restart again so 16 that we can prepare for the next election. 17 MR. NELSON: What would be the 18 purpose of the clerk for that six months? 19 MR. WELLS: We have a lot of people 20 that call in and want to know the election status, 21 and who got elected, and what's going on with the 22 Election Board. She is our front line of 23 communications with the people. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: And the other purpose 25 of it, Willie, was to try to keep the Election 40 1 Board informed, you know, of day to day stuff. 2 Gwen, about how many calls do you field a day 3 average, five, six? 4 MS. KERCHEE: Averaging about 20 5 calls. And they're asking all kinds of 6 questions. When can they start the -- when can 7 they do their address changes. I said that's 8 ongoing. And even when I'm in my breaks, I have 9 other employees that -- like the Caregivers. I 10 help with Phyllis, too, so I'm not -- even during 11 my break. 12 MR. NELSON: To me, Gwen does need 13 the indirect costs. She does, she has faxes, a 14 lot of sensitive information. That's why the 15 office was moved, because a lot of sensitive 16 information was shared right in the open hall. 17 MR. WELLS: Right. We have an office 18 to the end of the hall there. 19 MR. BURGESS: Well, we charge 20 indirect because we're allowed to. We do payroll, 21 we're providing -- administration is providing 22 payroll service, personnel policy service, 23 maintenance services, all the overhead. That's 24 the requirement in order to charge indirect cost. 25 And that's why we have to do it, because she's on 41 1 payroll, so we do have to charge it. Do you want 2 to hold on this for a little bit? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: On the resolution, 4 Charles, I'm looking at your budget here. You 5 didn't put in for your General Council. 6 MR. WELLS: I did. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Where is it at on 8 here? 9 MR. BURGESS: Up in the top, line 10 items. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, it's 5000. All 12 right. Let's see, did you also include your 13 Special General Council? 14 MR. WELLS: The Special General 15 Council would not be coming into this, because it 16 would be this. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Part of reserves? 18 MR. WELLS: Yes. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: And those are the only 20 two items that I see that -- and they fall under 21 the reserve. This one is included up here? 22 MR. WELLS: Right, right. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: All right. Call for 24 the question, Mr. Chairman. I make a motion. 25 MR. HENSON: How many Election Board 42 1 members do we have? 2 MR. WELLS: We have 12. According to 3 53-05, we have 12. 4 MR. NARCOMEY: Second, Mr. Chairman. 5 MR. BURGESS: Motion's made by 6 Mr. Asepermy, seconded by Mr. Narcomey. 7 Discussion with Mr. Henson. Go ahead, Bunky, ask 8 your question. 9 MR. HENSON: One question: You got 10 12 meetings times $3,000. How much is that per 11 meeting? Well, actually, per stipend? 12 MR. WELLS: That's the stipend, 3,000 13 for the 12 members. 14 MR. HENSON: I know, but what is it, 15 12 into $3,000? 16 MR. WELLS: 250. 17 MR. HENSON: That answers my 18 question. 19 MR. WELLS: That's what I think 20 you're going to receive at a lot of the boards 21 that you're going to have, is the 250. 22 MR. BURGESS: Clyde, you called for 23 the question? 24 MR. NARCOMEY: No, I seconded it. 25 MR. BURGESS: No further discussion. 43 1 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 5 passes. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Nelson. 7 MR. NELSON: Yes, sir? 8 MR. BURGESS: Make sure, 9 Mr. Secretary, that budget goes into our records. 10 We're moving on to Item Number 9, 11 Resolution Number 137-09. 12 MR. WELLS: Mr. Chairman, my 13 understanding is you passed this resolution? 14 MR. BURGESS: We passed the 15 resolution with this budget. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Stipends. 17 MR. WELLS: But he was saying that 18 he's going back to his resolution. 19 MR. BURGESS: Lanny, then we'll just 20 have to make an amendment if you want a motion to 21 amend to add his budget to it, because it will be 22 part of the record, unless you want to go ahead 23 and rescind. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, your reserve, 25 you know, that covers a lot of what is not 44 1 detailed in the resolution. 2 MR. WELLS: Right, and that's the 3 reserve. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: You might spend it and 5 you might not. 6 MR. BURGESS: No, no, you only spend 7 it when you have those special meetings, when 8 those are held. 9 MR. WELLS: That's it. 10 MR. BURGESS: So the operational 11 costs are only going to be that total. 12 MR. WELLS: That's what we've 13 outlined, our budget all total. 14 MR. BURGESS: The operational cost 15 will be the 150. All of that will be held, 16 returned back to -- 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, this has nothing 18 to do with the budget, it has to do with their 19 stipends. 20 MR. WELLS: Right, like I say, 21 stipends and stuff like that. And there again, 22 that's an issue that the Election Board, again, is 23 put out here in front of everybody, and it 24 shouldn't be. We don't see the Museum Board or 25 the Tax Commission Board out here or even on that 45 1 agenda. It hasn't been on the agenda, and now the 2 Election Board's been on there three times. And 3 you put a resolution back in 2007 to do the same 4 thing. We need to eliminate this. The Election 5 Board compensation is -- 6 MR. ASEPERMY: We met on this 7 resolution, Charles. 8 MR. WELLS: No, we have not met on 9 this. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, we did. We met 11 at the old conference room. 12 MR. WELLS: We've invited you to 13 several meetings and you haven't come. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: We met in the 15 conference room with the CBC. Do you recall 16 that? You had a number of your -- yes, we did. 17 MR. WELLS: We met on the 18 compensation, and we said we were going to meet 19 with you guys and we have not done that yet. 20 MR. BURGESS: As a body? 21 MS. DECORA: With the entire Election 22 Board. 23 MR. WELLS: With the entire Election 24 Board, you haven't done it. 25 MRS. HENDRIX: And Lanny has harassed 46 1 the Election Board since day one. 2 MR. BURGESS: Hang on. We're trying 3 to go through this. We've passed this motion, 4 Mr. Asepermy, but as you see, we should meet with 5 them because they have a whole election ordinance 6 that you make recommendations. 7 MR. WELLS: Right. This compensation 8 thing is something that he has tried to get 9 through for three years now. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: All this covers is 11 your stipends. 12 MR. WELLS: Right. And you tried to 13 change it for the past three years. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I haven't been on the 15 committee for three years. 16 MR. BURGESS: Is this, your budget 17 here, the stipends that you have on here, are they 18 similar, same, not so similar to? 19 MR. WELLS: They're similar to that. 20 I mean, it accounts for -- 21 MR. BURGESS: It's my understanding 22 when we pass this that we're going to use this 23 budget, Mr. Asepermy. Because in my sitting and 24 meeting with them, I asked them to come in with 25 something very similar to what you have. That's 47 1 why I asked them to submit the budget. It was my 2 understanding we were going to -- we would pass 3 the motion and this budget would apply. Because 4 they had never ever dealt with reserve, holding 5 back reserve. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: This resolution only 7 deals with -- 8 MR. WELLS: But why? Answer me 9 that. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Why? Because -- you 11 want me to tell the numbers? 12 MR. WELLS: Tell the numbers. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 14 MS. ISAAC: And all the other 15 Committees, also. 16 MR. WELLS: But if you do that, 17 Lanny, you need to put everybody's, the Tax 18 Commission, the Museum Board. But you're just 19 singling out the Election Board. 20 MR. BURGESS: We're going beyond our 21 time limit, guys. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: We have six people 23 that just voted for this, it's not one person. 24 MS. ISAAC: And immediately like that 25 they voted for it, without any discussion. 48 1 MR. ASEPERMY: We have six people. 2 We've had our discussion. We've had our meeting. 3 MR. WELLS: No, you have not. We've 4 invited you several times and you have not come. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: I have not got an 6 invite or a call from you folks, not one. 7 MRS. HENDRIX: He can't read anyway. 8 MR. WELLS: I think this needs to be 9 tabled. 10 MS. ISAAC: The Election Board is the 11 heart of the Comanche Nation. 12 MR. BURGESS: I want to call for a 13 meeting with the Election Board and full CBC for 14 discussion, not at a meeting like this. We'll 15 have a discussion, and then we'll review all of 16 this. I'd like to see all of what you have, let 17 everybody see it, because I've only met with you 18 myself just barely twice, and then we'll have a 19 general meeting here just to discuss this issue. 20 This motion has passed, but we can come back and 21 work it out without the Election Board that we can 22 amend this and come back later with an acceptable 23 price tag for all of us. 24 However, the budget, I do like, 25 because it built a reserve, and that's 49 1 nonexpendable unless those items come up. If you 2 have it in your policies, that's what we want to 3 review as well, because we're bringing up a new 4 election ordinance, so we're going to have to 5 review that. So let's set a date sometime in 6 October. Find it out and we'll notify everybody, 7 the full Election Board, the CBC. It's a meeting 8 for discussion. 9 In the meantime, the resolution we'll 10 hold, and we'll come back to it when we amend it 11 see what you have in your ordinance. Okay? 12 Because we do need to review it. 13 MR. WELLS: So the motion is on hold? 14 MR. BURGESS: The motion is here, but 15 we're going to meet in October. And then we'll 16 review all of it. And if we have to come back and 17 amend the resolution, we'll amend it. But I want 18 us all to be at the same table, same room, same 19 time. 20 MS. ISAAC: Everybody. 21 MR. BURGESS: The Election Board and 22 the CBC. And we'll look for a date in October, 23 and we'll notify you, Mr. Wells. 24 MS. ISAAC: Nobody getting sick and 25 staying home. 50 1 MR. BURGESS: Okay. We'll come with 2 the flu if we have to. Everybody wear a mask. 3 MRS. HENDRIX: Are you going to do 4 this with all the boards and commissions? I mean, 5 put them out in front of -- 6 MR. BURGESS: That's not up for 7 discussion, and we'll wait for another future date 8 to do that. But we'll come and have a meeting, 9 and all the CBC will be there as well as all the 10 Election Board. 11 MR. WELLS: Well, like I say, we have 12 a General Council coming up September 19th, and 13 the Election Board does do the signing in and 14 everything. 15 MR. BURGESS: Okay. I understand 16 that was delegated to y'all previously, so we'll 17 go over that, and after October 1 we'll make 18 changes, after our meeting. 19 Item Number 9, ladies and gentlemen, 20 Office of the Special Trustee. Mr. Tippeconnie, 21 do you want to explain this resolution, please? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Office of the 23 Special Trustee? 24 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Number 9. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. We always 51 1 have to designate signatories with the Office of 2 the Special Trustee, because we have accounts 3 there. So this resolution is designating our new 4 Chairman, our new Vice-Chairman, of course 5 Secretary/Treasurer is usually on it, and our 6 Tribal Administrator. So it puts those names on 7 it, and the former names will be off once we pass 8 this. 9 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 10 motion to approve Resolution Number 137-09, 11 Resolution Office of the Special Trustee, to add 12 the new names. 13 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 14 Mr. Narcomey. Second? This is what we have to 15 do, right? 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, we have to do 17 it. We have to get your names on the account. 18 MR. BURGESS: All right. Second? 19 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 20 MR. BURGESS: Darrell Kosechequetah 21 made the second. All those in favor signify by 22 saying "aye." 23 (Aye.) 24 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 25 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 52 1 passed. 2 Next one is Resolution Number 3 138-09/Any garnishments, fines, court ordered 4 restitutions be deposited in interest bearing 5 account at the City National Bank. 6 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion on 7 that. 8 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, before I 9 make a second, where are these fines going now? 10 Are they coming in anywhere? Do we have record of 11 them coming in? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, we have 13 records. And we're beginning to receive them, and 14 that's why we want this bank and going into this 15 account. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: Okay, I'll second. 17 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Narcomey. 18 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Excuse me. 19 What's an example? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: An example would 21 be if someone is found to be -- 22 MR. BURGESS: Restitution. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, restitution. 24 If somebody has to make court-ordered payments 25 back to the tribe. 53 1 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: So this is 2 separate from gaming? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, separate. 4 MR. BURGESS: Second made by Darrell 5 Kosechequetah. This is to deposit all those 6 restitutions, fees, and fines back to the tribe 7 into an interest bearing account. All those in 8 favor signify by saying "aye." 9 (Aye.) 10 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 11 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Passed. 12 MS. ISAAC: Is that fines like the 13 Housing, somebody did something against the 14 Housing, they would have to pay it back? 15 MR. BURGESS: No, that would be 16 separate. Housing would be separate. 17 MS. ISAAC: So how is the Comanche 18 Tribe going to keep track of it if they don't pay 19 back the Housing if they owe something to the 20 Housing? I'm not talking about houses, rent, I'm 21 talking about what Johnny did to the Housing when 22 he took a lot of money and never paid it back. 23 MR. BURGESS: Oh, I see. 24 MS. ISAAC: That's a different 25 thing. He did pay it back? 54 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, he did. We 2 did pay it back. 3 MS. ISAAC: And what about somebody 4 that owes the Housing? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Example: This 6 year, we gave them 750. 7 MR. BURGESS: There's a letter going 8 to them that will be sent to them specifying that 9 the future payments, I mean, the money the tribe 10 authorized from Housing, that will be designated 11 as part of the pay back that's responsible from 12 the tribe. 13 MR. HENSON: No, that's the ones 14 we've already done. All we got to do is send them 15 a letter saying we paid. 16 MR. BURGESS: Housing's the one that 17 directed us that that could be done, to assist 18 both entities. 19 Item Number 11, Resolution Number 20 139-09. This is Comanche Nation Elders Center 21 Account. Do I hear a "yeah?" This is a 22 resolution. 23 MR. HENSON: I make a motion we pass. 24 MR. BURGESS: Okay. The resolution 25 here is to approve the opening of the account and 55 1 transfer of funds into the account. 2 Mr. Tippeconnie? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, what this is 4 is a revenue account handled by the center, Elders 5 Center. And when they have sales of crafts or 6 tacos, et cetera, et cetera, those kinds of thing, 7 it's put into their account. So then what we're 8 adding to, because the Nation, since they're under 9 the Nation and under the TA, we want to be sure 10 that all those accounts are open, our people know 11 about it, so we're adding names to the account. 12 So the Tribal Administrator, the Chairman, Vice- 13 Chairman, Secretary/Treasurer will be added to the 14 account, in addition to Mrs. Peavey. 15 MR. BURGESS: I was mistaken. We'll 16 finish the vote here. Motion's made by 17 Mr. Henson. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 19 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Asepermy. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 21 why can't we have an advisory board? 22 MR. BURGESS: Hang on a second. 23 Lanny? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Why don't we have 25 what? 56 1 MR. BURGESS: An advisory board. 2 We're going to call for the question 3 here, then we'll take discussion. Call for the 4 question. Discussion? All right. 5 Your question was why can't we have 6 an advisory board there? I believe, Phyllis, were 7 you a part of the grant writing for that? 8 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Part of the policy 9 that is supposed to be in place is that there is 10 an elders -- an advisory council made up of the 11 elders that participate in the Elder Nutrition 12 Program. My understanding is that the board that 13 is listed, the advisory board that is listed, the 14 individuals on that have all passed on, and that 15 they have been existing without an advisory board 16 for the Nutrition Center for a number of years. 17 MR. NELSON: Can I add something to 18 that? 19 MS. ATTOCKNIE: It's there, but it's 20 not there. 21 MR. BURGESS: Yes, it's in the grant, 22 right? Yes, sir, Mr. Nelson? 23 MR. NELSON: September 15th, the 24 Elders Council, the Elderly Center -- I wish I was 25 on the Camp Crier on this one. September 15th, 57 1 we're going to have an Elders Consortium. We will 2 have an Elders Consortium. But what that is, 3 bring all the Elders to the Comanche Nation 4 College. Hopefully Gene Pekah will let us use 5 their auditorium that day. 6 What it is, we have got -- I gave 7 statistics to the CBC. A lot of our services are 8 just not getting to where they need to be. So 9 we'll have Diabetes there -- well, Anti-Diabetes. 10 We'll have them there, we'll have the CHRs there, 11 we'll have every program that's involved with the 12 Elders there. Jimmy Arteberry is helping me out, 13 coordinate this. We want all grandmothers, all 14 grandfathers there. Why? You guys are our boss, 15 and we need to consolidate these programs to 16 really get out there and be effective. The 17 Elderly Center, I hate to say it, it's really -- 18 it's gone down. 19 MR. BURGESS: Willie? 20 MR. NELSON: Well, the reason I'm 21 saying this is we have to pool our finances. We 22 have to pool -- why are we an actual program? We 23 need your mind. We need all the Elders to tell 24 us. 25 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Nelson, what I'm 58 1 thinking the question -- 2 MR. NELSON: September 15th. 3 MR. BURGESS: The question is, she's 4 asking us, we have a board of directors, so it's 5 up to us, ma'am, advisory board, to call for 6 nominations. We'll publish that in our community 7 newspaper as well. Gentlemen, I think that's 8 where it begins here. We call for nominations and 9 recommendations. So, ladies and gentlemen, we'll 10 put out the word. We'll make a notice that we're 11 accepting nominations or self-nominations for 12 membership to the advisory board for the Elders 13 Center Program. That's the Elders Center. Now, 14 that's the facility. 15 It's much like our community centers 16 that were built, they have to have a local 17 community board overseeing their operations and 18 supervising activities. So that will be -- we'll 19 put that out in the next newsletter. Okay? 20 MS. ISAAC: About three years ago at 21 a General Council, it was voted on to have a 22 liaison between the tribe and Maria Peavey's deal, 23 and whoever was on Committee never did it. 24 MR. BURGESS: For us to have a 25 liaison? 59 1 MS. ISAAC: For the CBC to have a 2 liaison. 3 MR. BURGESS: They're an advisory 4 board, and at the same time, they're a board that 5 sees that activities are being conducted. 6 Once we nominate those, in my view -- 7 I'm just an individual at this time. In my view, 8 when we nominate those membership and we come here 9 and vote them and approve to be board members, 10 they are our liaison. So they need to direct 11 whomever would be the chairperson of the board to 12 come back and give reports to us probably on a 13 monthly basis, and give us an update, particularly 14 now that they're going to be handling -- 15 coordinating all their fundraising activities. 16 Because I know that a lot of times 17 they want to do things with other elder groups. 18 They have annual conferences that they go to. So 19 their fundraising goes hand in hand with their 20 budgets, their moneys that they receive from the 21 tribe for their activities. So my idea, just me, 22 and the guys here can bring up their thoughts 23 about it, that the liaison would be their 24 chairperson coming here every time. 25 MS. ISAAC: I have a question. So 60 1 when they have fund raisers, it won't interfere 2 with their annual budget? Because that was a 3 scare of one committee person on another 4 committee, that if we have fund raisers, they're 5 going to say we don't need that budget. They're 6 not going to allow us to have as much money as we 7 ask for if we can have fund raisers. So there's 8 nothing wrong with anybody having fund raisers for 9 their committee? 10 MS. ATTOCKNIE: For their special 11 event, special purpose. 12 MR. BURGESS: A lot of that, you're 13 right. Because here on the complex grounds, what 14 is it called, ACE, Association of Comanche 15 Employees? They do fund raisers all the time. 16 They're an employee-type association without being 17 a union. I'm going to say they're purely social, 18 whether it's 8:00 to 5:00 or after 5:00. 19 MS. ISAAC: But, also, the community 20 centers, when -- a long time ago when we were 21 involved, the fund raisers or the powwows that 22 we'd have there, we charged them so much and that 23 went to the bank. That took care of the telephone 24 and the cable, the special things that weren't 25 there. What'd they call them? 61 1 MR. BURGESS: Extraordinary expenses 2 outside their budget that are community 3 activities, community driven. 4 MS. ISAAC: If we wanted a telephone, 5 if we want cable, we use that funds that was 6 raised during the powwows in our account at the 7 bank. So that's not wrong, is it? 8 MR. BURGESS: No, if it's not 9 affected by the annualized budget that we give 10 you, particularly if you're raising funds for a 11 family that comes to you and needs something and 12 you want to give them a little assistance, that's 13 fine. If there's going to be special trips and 14 you know membership doesn't have enough money in 15 their own pocket, so you raise enough funds to 16 share with everybody at that trip. Everything but 17 gaming now. You're not allowed to give your money 18 away for casino visits. You have to come to our 19 casino. 20 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: And I think those 21 efforts should be encouraged, fundraising 22 efforts. It seems as though -- you know, I wasn't 23 around when we didn't have gaming, of course. But 24 when we didn't, I heard people talk about they 25 used to raise the money themselves instead of 62 1 running to the tribe and saying, hey, can we have 2 some more money, so -- 3 MR. BURGESS: As long as your people 4 are handling it appropriately, according to -- you 5 know, you need to come up with guidelines, rules 6 on how it's going to be spent, and the 7 recordkeeping of it needs to be to the body, 8 whoever your board is going to be, that's 9 appropriate. All they have to do is give us a 10 report. That way it's in the record every month, 11 their reports. I think that will help you in the 12 future to maintain it and track it. 13 Thank you for the discussion. You 14 have some idea now. So if you would submit your 15 letters or your recommendations, and have the 16 person submit a brief bio or resume to my office, 17 once we make the announcement, so we can start 18 getting it in. And make sure Ms. Civa Hill 19 receives a copy of it so we'll have it in a file. 20 And probably by November we'll be able to act on 21 it at our November meeting. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Call for the vote. 23 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made and 24 seconded, so we're going to call for the vote on 25 this Resolution Number 139-09. All those in favor 63 1 signify by saying "aye." 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Resolution 5 139-09 has passed. 6 Now we have several resolutions that 7 deal with BIA roads funding. They are items 12 8 through 20. And on the agenda, you'll read the 9 word that says "profit." That's how the BIA 10 refers to administrative moneys that come to us. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What it refers to 12 is when we have a contract, there's going to be a 13 listing and a number of all these contracts. When 14 we finish the contract, there is some money that's 15 left over. When that money is left over, it's 16 called profit, which really is a poor word. We 17 really shouldn't be using profit. But it's money 18 that's left after the contract has been closed and 19 completed. Okay, that money, then, is returned to 20 the Nation. That's what this is. So we're going 21 to pass these so that we can have that money 22 brought back to the Nation. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Also, Mr. Chairman, 24 the total on these nine resolutions, profit, is 25 roughly $424,000. I do have a question. If this 64 1 goes into what you call the profit fund, what do 2 we use that profit fund for? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay. It's not a 4 profit fund. I said it's a misnomer, we shouldn't 5 be using that word. But when it comes back, what 6 we're encouraged to do, since these are in the 7 area of transportation, you see roads, bridges, et 8 cetera, we're encouraged to use it in those 9 areas. So we have a tentative suggestion to the 10 CBC that we'll bring forward, the TA and I, we'll 11 bring forward on how we use those. As an example, 12 we provide gravel and tinhorns. 13 We need two more transit mini buses. 14 So we can do something like that. We can upgrade 15 our transit system by getting two more mini 16 buses. We can do the road gravel and things like 17 that. We can actually -- 18 We've been very short in the 19 transportation area by salarying anyone. Because 20 if they're not written into these contracts -- and 21 there's a percentage that you can use for salaries 22 and overhead. So we have never had the 23 opportunity to really put an additional person 24 down there salaried by our funds. So it also 25 opens the door that the TA may suggest to us that 65 1 we can add a person there to assist the program 2 down there. Because I think we do need an 3 additional staff person there. So it also 4 provides, in that $424,000, Mr. Asepermy, you 5 know, it provides us an opportunity to do 6 something like that. And that will be brought 7 forward to the CBC. 8 MR. WHITEWOLF: Do we have any heavy 9 road equipment? 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 11 MR. BURGESS: Not anymore. Yes, sir? 12 MR. HEMINOKEY: Could that money be 13 used for cemeteries to do blacktop roads? 14 MR. BURGESS: Please state your name 15 for us. 16 MR. HEMINOKEY: Heminokey, Eddie. 17 Eddie Heminokey. I do cemeteries for y'all, okay, 18 contracting. And I was wanting to know, since 19 Cache Creek is nothing but potholes and dirt and 20 everything, could that money be used to blacktop a 21 road and parking lot? Seeing as how Deyo just 22 recently got a new road around their cemetery with 23 a blacktop and a parking places -- 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's a 25 possibility. 66 1 MR. BURGESS: That is a possibility. 2 But I'd like to ask a question. Eddie, I'm not 3 sure if you can check it for us. You know, the 4 archway into the cemetery, it's kind of a 5 landmark, if you would work with Mr. -- who's the 6 director? 7 MR. NELSON: Willie Owens. 8 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Owens and the TA to 9 search out and find somebody that could, not tear 10 it down, but we want to widen it keep the archway 11 so modern traffic. We've got two or three roads 12 going in there. So look at that. There are ways 13 to put some topping down that's not just asphalt, 14 maybe a mixture of things, asphalt and gravel. 15 And then did you want to talk about 16 going all the way around, or just -- because I 17 know a lot of our folks are there. That cemetery 18 is really growing. It's been expanded. 19 MR. HEMINOKEY: I would like to see 20 it go all the way around with a parking lot out 21 front. 22 MR. BURGESS: So, Mr. Nelson, would 23 you and Mr. Owens work with Mr. Heminokey on 24 getting cost structures for that? 25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I want to 67 1 thank this young man for a terrific job at Post 2 Oak Cemetery. Thank you. 3 MR. HEMINOKEY: You're welcome. 4 MR. BURGESS: Did you have another 5 suggestion, Eddie? Anything else? 6 MR. HEMINOKEY: Well, I'm on y'all's 7 agenda. 8 MR. BURGESS: Well, thank you for 9 bringing that up. Yes, Clyde? 10 MR. NARCOMEY: Just for example, on 11 this Number 18, it's got approve profit on Petarsy 12 Road, BIA contract number so and so. What we're 13 talking about, that's what they're going to do, 14 improve them roads, right? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, the contract -- 16 these contracts that are listed here, these are 17 moneys that are left over after contracts. 18 MR. NELSON: Keep this in mind: 19 These have been done. This is what you call 20 federal crumbs. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's already been 22 done. It's left over moneys. It's a balance. 23 MR. NELSON: We came out ahead. 24 MR. BURGESS: The work's already been 25 done. 68 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The works already 2 been done on these. 3 MR. BURGESS: It's left over money, 4 is a better way to say it, but we have to use 5 their language sometimes. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, they don't 7 really like the word either. 8 MS. ATTOCKNIE: In the discussion 9 about the archway in Cache Creek Cemetery, I would 10 like to have whomever discusses it or make plans 11 for it to contact Mrs. Rosalee Attocknie. 12 Otherwise, she'll come up here and shoot every one 13 of you. 14 MR. BURGESS: I'm glad Eddie had it, 15 because Rosalee had talked to me about it, and I'd 16 mentioned to her I'd like to see us keep that 17 archway, the top at least. And if we have to 18 expand it, to accommodate the larger, wider 19 vehicles that we have. 20 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Because we did that 21 every year, or every other year. She had us out 22 there climbing ladders and painting that. 23 MR. BURGESS: We have to widen it, 24 but the top part is the beautiful part. 25 MS. ISAAC: I wouldn't even touch 69 1 it. Why can't you make a pretty entranceway on 2 either side of it? 3 MR. BURGESS: Let's see what the cost 4 effects would be. 5 MS. ISAAC: I wouldn't touch that 6 one. 7 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Y'all better not. 8 MS. ISAAC: Because going into the 9 mountains, they even preserved that archway, even 10 though it's up on a hill. You can see it if you 11 want to, but they didn't tear it down. 12 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Mother will slash 13 your throat. 14 MR. BURGESS: We're going to come to 15 the, motion on this, gentlemen. This is for 16 Numbers 12 through 20. 17 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 18 pass them. 19 MR. BURGESS: Motion's made by 20 Mr. Henson for these set of resolutions. 21 MR. NARCOMEY: I'll second, it 22 Mr. Chairman. 23 MR. BURGESS: Second by 24 Mr. Narcomey. Barring any further discussion, all 25 those in favor signify by saying "aye." 70 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 4 passes. 5 Now we have Item 21, Resolution 6 Number 149-09. It's a contract request on Route 7 7175. It's Exit Number 1 off of Interstate 44 in 8 Cotton County. All of you know where that's at? 9 Coming from Texas into Oklahoma, that's the first 10 exit. And we are applying for moneys to do the 11 design from the east of the bridge going east, 12 past the Harris-Hooper property. The State's 13 already doing the highway going west. Once you 14 get off, exit and go west towards our casino, the 15 state's already in process, planning stages to 16 improve that road, is what we were told. 17 Hopefully it's going to be the turning lane. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The design is 19 underway now. 20 MR. WHITEWOLF: Is that going to be 21 like Alaskan road, a bridge to nowhere, or do you 22 have plans for expansion? 23 MR. BURGESS: Oh, for us? 24 MR. WHITEWOLF: Yes. 25 MR. BURGESS: Plans for expansion. 71 1 MR. WHITEWOLF: New development down 2 there? 3 MR. BURGESS: New development down 4 there possible. We've got some ideas going on and 5 we're going to look at those heavily here after 6 the first of the year. Not necessarily a casino. 7 And the other company that approached us on solar 8 energy, we're in further discussion with them, and 9 they need anywhere from 80 to 160 acres for 10 expansion. Those topics in that area came into 11 play. Then if we use the road, we get to claim it 12 year after year for maintenance, getting that 13 money. 14 So, gentlemen, this is Resolution 15 Number 149-09. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Can we also include 17 Number 150-09? It's a very similar request. 18 MR. BURGESS: Oh, that's right. And 19 Item Number 22, Resolution 150-09. We're going to 20 put these together. This is the road extension on 21 the access road from Lee Boulevard to the Comanche 22 Nation Casino, to the tourism center there where 23 it's already blacktopped. So we're going to 24 combine these two issues to apply for this money. 25 MR. HENSON: I make a motion we 72 1 accept it. 2 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made by 3 Mr. Henson. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 5 MR. BURGESS: Second by 6 Mr. Asepermy. No further discussion. All those 7 in favor signify by saying "aye." 8 (Aye.) 9 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 10 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 11 have it. Motion has passed. 12 All right, Resolution Number 151-09, 13 this is the bank signatures. Is it all banks, 14 Bob? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We passed this 16 before, but we left out one bank account, so this 17 is adding that one bank account. 18 MR. BURGESS: Okay. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And that's Account 20 Number 163, you can see there. 21 MR. NARCOMEY: I'll make a motion to 22 approve, Mr. Chairman. 23 MR. BURGESS: I see that. This is 24 another perfunctory one we have to do. So, 25 gentlemen, there's a motion made by Mr. Narcomey. 73 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I second it. 2 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Second by 3 Mr. Tippeconnie. All those in favor signify by 4 saying "aye." 5 (Aye.) 6 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 7 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 8 passed. 9 Now, moving over to Resolution Number 10 152-09. This is a resolution to draw down on our 11 United States Trust Fund Accounts on behalf of 12 Comanche Nation. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This year's money? 14 MR. BURGESS: For 2010? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: To pull it down. 16 MR. BURGESS: Again, it's one of 17 those issues of low interest rate. So I need a 18 motion. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll make it. 20 MR. HENSON: I'll second it. 21 MR. BURGESS: Motion seconded by 22 Mr. Henson, motion made by Mr. Tippeconnie. All 23 those in favor signify by saying "aye." 24 (Aye.) 25 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 74 1 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 2 have it. 3 Next item, Resolution Number 153-09. 4 This is a resolution about our land acquisition 5 account, to carry forward fund amount of 1.7 6 million to be added to the budget year of 2010 of 7 3.1 million, coming up with the approximate amount 8 of 4.9 million to go into that account. 9 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 10 approve, Mr. Chairman. 11 MR. HENSON: I'll second. 12 MR. BURGESS: Motion's made by 13 Mr. Narcomey, second by Mr. Henson. All those in 14 favor signify by saying "aye." 15 (Aye.) 16 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 17 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 18 passed. 19 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Are these the last of 20 the resolutions on your agenda, sir? 21 MR. BURGESS: Yes, it is. 22 MR. NELSON: Did you have one, 23 Phyllis? 24 MS. ATTOCKNIE: With the TA's 25 permission -- I don't usually make mistakes. But 75 1 presently the Environmental Protection office is 2 in the process, and I'm assisting them, with 3 developing a proposal with regard to indoor 4 pollutant testing, contamination, specifically in 5 the area of asthma. And EPA has a proposal that 6 will be due next Friday, the 14th. But in going 7 over the paperwork that I have that I've been 8 working with, I realized, Mr. Nelson, sir, kind 9 sir, I forgot to do the resolution to be presented 10 today for approval to -- that has to go along, the 11 concurring resolution to apply for this moneys. 12 MR. HENSON: When is this due? 13 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Next Friday. 14 MR. HENSON: Okay. Wait a minute. 15 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, I 16 entertain the CBC on a motion, if they could, to 17 label that as 153-10. 18 MS. ATTOCKNIE: 154-09. 19 MR. NELSON: Well, if we're following 20 153-09. Okay, you're right. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As a resolution? 22 MR. NELSON: Yes. 23 MS. ATTOCKNIE: And I will have that 24 resolution for you maybe before the end of the day 25 for your signature. 76 1 MR. NELSON: The reason I say this, 2 gentlemen, is we had 200 reports that EPA did for 3 Comanche citizens. A lot of them are deemed that 4 they shouldn't even be living in their home. This 5 is a big contract. If we get awarded this, we can 6 do this remediation of mold that is really a big 7 problem. 8 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Okay. 9 MR. NELSON: And we are having -- EPA 10 has been really diligently having monthly meetings 11 to make sure this grant is attainable as part of 12 the actual grant process, so they have really 13 worked hard with Phyllis on this one. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Phyllis, what would be 15 the name of your resolution? 16 MS. ATTOCKNIE: No, it would be 17 Indoor Pollutant Contamination Testing. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What kind of 19 testing? 20 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Indoor pollutant. 21 MR. NELSON: And it does come with 22 remediation. 23 MS. ATTOCKNIE: There's three 24 categories that we can go for. One of them is 25 testing or looking for or finding if there's 77 1 radon, and then the other is asthma triggers. And 2 the EPA staff have -- we're trying to go for -- 3 what it actually is is not a grant for money, it's 4 a grant for a cooperative agreement. And that's 5 why the EPA, Mike, and all of them, have been not 6 trying to work with only -- work up partnerships 7 with the Indian Hospital staff, pediatricians, the 8 health center, and any other pediatricians, not 9 only in Caddo County where we still have a large 10 community with that clinic. And then to identify, 11 and then once they're identified -- oh, and trying 12 to work with the Housing Authority. Because a lot 13 of our people are in the Housing Authority. But 14 this is anywhere from 25,000 to $300,000 a year up 15 to four years. If we do it right, with the 16 planning that we will --you know, that I'm 17 proposing within this, that we could get up to 1.2 18 million within -- for that four-year term. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Is that on your little 20 report that you provided CBC? 21 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yes, it is. It was 22 on there. I just didn't get the resolution. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 154-09. 24 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Okay. 25 MR. NELSON: So we're going to label 78 1 it as 154. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, 154-09, 3 Hazardous Pollutant/EPA. 4 MR. NELSON: Phyllis and Mrs. Kemp 5 went all the way to the Cherokee Nation. They 6 have a home care system there that is so 7 profitable. And I tell you, gentlemen, if we get 8 to move on things like this with our neighbors to 9 the east, dialysis centers and everything else, I 10 tell you, this cooperative agreement that Phyllis 11 and the other staff is doing now, that's the way 12 to go. It really is. It doesn't call for gaming 13 dollars. That's what I like. 14 MR. BURGESS: We'll wait for 15 Mr. Asepermy to finish his discussion and then 16 call for the question. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: This is a grant 18 application for $300,000 for up to four years due 19 September 14th. So I guess the title of your 20 resolution would be the Environmental Protection 21 Program Grant. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion that 22 we label Ms. Attocknie's request as Resolution 23 154-09, entitled Environmental Protection 24 Program. And you will have that resolution by 25 Monday or whatever? 79 1 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yes. I can probably 2 have it by this evening. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: And if you need the 4 information, here's some information she provided 5 to us. 6 MR. BURGESS: Can we keep this for 7 the record? 8 MR. NELSON: I gave everybody one. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: No, that's mine. 10 MR. BURGESS: All right. Motion's 11 been made by Mr. Asepermy. I need a second. 12 MR. HENSON: Second. 13 MR. BURGESS: Second's made by 14 Mr. Henson. All those in favor signify by saying 15 "aye." 16 (Aye.) 17 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 18 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 19 passed. 20 We also have another motion here from 21 the floor, Mr. Nelson. In the past -- hand these 22 to you. in the past, since '05, we've always 23 discussed an emergency management plan, we have 24 always discussed operational plans. We have a 25 document that was brought to me here, and we 80 1 didn't get a chance to put it on the agenda. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we have a 3 grant for this. 4 MR. BURGESS: We've received a grant 5 already for the emergency operation plan for the 6 Comanche Nation. We have resolutions numbered 7 73-05, 82-05, and those two resolutions were 8 passed by the CBC. And then money had been 9 appropriated, it's on the budget, as emergency 10 management line item that was to hire a staff 11 person. So we went through the records. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: To do the plan. 13 MR. BURGESS: To do the plan. This 14 resolution you have in your hand would be labeled 15 number 155-09. That's a resolution establishing 16 the position, there's a job description behind 17 it. Here's the plan, sir. 18 MR. NELSON: So we adopted it 19 September 2005? 20 MR. BURGESS: The plan was adopted, 21 yes. And moneys had been appropriated for the 22 past three years. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Remember that grant 24 note where it updates that plan, you got that team 25 going? 81 1 MR. NELSON: Right. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And now this is 3 their coordinator. 4 MR. BURGESS: The resolution would be 5 -- Mr. Nelson, would you read it for us, please? 6 MR. NELSON: Yes, the resolution does 7 state, "Whereas, the Comanche Business Committee 8 gives its full support to," would be a blank line, 9 I guess. Have y'all -- you don't have no name 10 there. 11 MR. BURGESS: No, it would be a 12 resolution in full support to the position of 13 Disaster Emergency Services Coordinator. 14 MR. NELSON: Okay. "Further, the 15 Comanche Business Committee urges all officials, 16 employees and tribal members individually and 17 collectively to cooperate in the utmost with the 18 coordinator as necessary and required." So what 19 it is, we're looking for a services coordinator. 20 So I will advertise this, gentlemen. 21 MR. BURGESS: Okay. 22 MR. NELSON: Okay. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Once passed. 24 MR. NELSON: Once passed, yeah. 25 MR. BURGESS: Once passed. 82 1 MR. NELSON: What are you labeling 2 that as? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: 155-09. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We'll get it to 5 you, we'll get you a copy later. 6 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, there's a 7 line item in the budget previously for that salary 8 item. That allows us to go after FEMA, emergency 9 management reimbursements like cities and 10 counties, states, when a natural disaster hits. 11 And so that allows us to claim a lot of funds in 12 the future. I guess I don't know if we missed out 13 on the tornado, but we didn't have that much 14 tornado damage affect on Anadarko. So entertain a 15 motion. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I make 17 that motion. 18 MR. HENSON: Second. 19 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made By 20 Mr. Asepermy, second by Mr. Henson. All those in 21 favor signify by saying "aye." 22 (Aye.) 23 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 24 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 25 passed. 83 1 Thank you, Mr. Nelson, for doing 2 that. 3 That is the conclusion of our 4 resolutions, I believe. Anything, nothing from 5 the floor? 6 We're moving into our motions, Item 7 Number 26. Mr. Heminokey, is that you, Big Bear's 8 Lawn Care? 9 MR. HEMINOKEY: That's me. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: We all have a copy of 11 the contract. 12 MR. HEMINOKEY: You have one of 13 these? This is what I'm asking that y'all 14 consider doing at these two cemeteries. Because I 15 feel that those fences are really in bad shape, 16 and they need to be -- I'd like to see them vinyl 17 instead of chain link. Vinyl, to me, says that we 18 care. Chain link seems like we're locked in. 19 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Eddie, hang on a 20 second. What we're going to do is your motion 21 here is to approve your contract first. And then 22 this item, we'll come back into it in executive 23 session where Mr. Tippeconnie has you Item Number 24 4 in executive session to talk about improvements 25 to the cemeteries. So, gentlemen, if you want to 84 1 review the document, that contract for service 2 Mr. Heminokey's submitted. 3 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion we 4 approve it. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: The cemeteries in 6 question are Cache Creek, Tombstone, Deyo, Post 7 Oak, Little Washita, Mount Scott. 8 MS. ATTOCKNIE: What does KCA do with 9 taking care of those? 10 MR. HENSON: Watch us. 11 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Are they receiving 12 moneys to -- 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Did we ever -- they 14 were funded $48,000 to take care of these six, 15 plus seven other that are in Kiowa Country. 16 Robert, who's on the KCA committee? 17 MR. BURGESS: Darrell, myself and 18 Eddie. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Their budget on 20 cemetery improvement, if I'm not mistaken. 21 MR. HEMINOKEY: I think it was $4000 22 for KCA cemetery improvements. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Are we getting our 24 share back from that? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 4,000. 85 1 MR. HENSON: He said 4,000. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: We getting our share 3 back? 4 MR. MAHSEET: If you remember, you 5 made the motion to give Big Bear funding. You 6 wanted them to do their own so KCA could do the 7 rest of the cemeteries without too many 8 complications. You made that motion. 9 MR. HEMINOKEY: If you'll look at the 10 budget that KCA had asked us to approve, it was 11 $270,000. And then I think we actually, for 2010, 12 we actually approved $250,000. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, 250. 14 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, the money's 15 reduced. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: They reduced it? 17 MR. HEMINOKEY: Yeah, because 2007 18 their budget was at 300,000. In 2008, they asked 19 for 270,000. In 2009, which goes into '10, they 20 got 250,000. 21 MR. BURGESS: See, there's a trust 22 fund account just for KCA. It just comes to them, 23 we don't touch it. It doesn't come from ours. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It comes from that 25 account. 86 1 MR. BURGESS: And what that's saying, 2 there's only maybe $34,000 appropriated. Maybe 3 the gasoline to go cut and all the other time 4 line, so we can't say they're doing each 5 cemetery. 6 MR. MAHSEET: They've got quite a bit 7 of a load, Fort Sill area and everything else. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: That's why we did 9 this. 10 MR. MAHSEET: I think, Phyllis, 11 there's only four of them. I think there's only 12 four on that cutting. But they have to do all the 13 maintenance for everything else as well. 14 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Well, yeah, because I 15 wasn't sure where they ended and Eddie picked up. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you see the 17 conditions of our cemeteries now, don't you? 18 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yeah. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Do you see an 20 improvement? 21 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yeah. 22 MR. BURGESS: As Mrs. Brooks was 23 saying, thanking Eddie for doing the job, it does 24 show. Our extra effort is pleasing to a lot of 25 people. 87 1 MS. ATTOCKNIE: That's not the point 2 of my question. I was just curious as to where 3 does KCA funding end and where do we as the 4 Comanche Tribe pick up improving it even more with 5 Eddie or any other lawn care contractor that's out 6 there? 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 8 motion. Let's see. I make a motion to approve 9 the new contract with Eddie Heminokey, also known 10 as Big Bear's Lawn Care, for fiscal year 2010, 11 beginning October 1st, 2009, to September 30th, 12 2010. Acceptance of this contract will make null 13 and void any other previous contracts. No 14 prorated costs will be allowed. That's my motion. 15 MR. HENSON: I'll second that. 16 MR. BURGESS: I have one question. 17 Mr. Heminokey, how are we being billed? Do you 18 give us a monthly -- 19 MR. HEMINOKEY: You give me a monthly 20 installment, yes. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's what the 22 contract says. 23 MS. ISAAC: When did this contract 24 begin? 25 MR. HENSON: October 1st. 88 1 MR. NELSON: Actually, it started in 2 December. 3 MR. HENSON: October 1st through 4 December. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The previous 6 contract was December of last year. 7 MS. ISAAC: December of last year? 8 So he's been working all this time and this is the 9 first time I've ever heard about Big Bear, Big 10 Paws, whatever? 11 MR. HEMINOKEY: Big Bear. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: He started, actually, 13 Beverly, his first contract started on December 14 1st, 2008. 15 MS. ISAAC: And another thing, with 16 Sandra Toyekoyah's project, the Tombstone, would 17 that alleviate some of that cost? You said you 18 never worked with her, so what does Sandra do? 19 What is that? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's a 21 separate -- 22 MR. HEMINOKEY: I visited with her 23 one time, and she said that that program was for 24 headstones that tribal members, if they're not -- 25 don't have a headstone, but their program would 89 1 put a headstone down. Not a big elaborate thing 2 or anything, but it's just to mark that grave, say 3 that that tribal member is there. 4 MR. SAPCUT: I've got a question for 5 Mr. Heminokey. On Cache Creek Cemetery, the pile 6 I was griping about a while back, it's piling up 7 again. That excess dirt, why is it all put in 8 that one corner? Why can't it be distributed or 9 something? 10 MR. HEMINOKEY: I have no idea why 11 it's put in one corner. 12 MR. SAPCUT: It was tooken care and 13 now it's piling back up. 14 MR. HEMINOKEY: That is not mine. 15 That is put there by KCA, or whoever digs the 16 grave. 17 MR. SAPCUT: Who takes care of that 18 excess dirt? That's what I'm asking. 19 MR. HEMINOKEY: The first year I went 20 to do that and everything, they had a big pile 21 like that. 22 MR. SAPCUT: It's piling back up. 23 MR. HEMINOKEY: I asked the TA to get 24 rid of it. He had his crew go out there and just 25 spread it completely everywhere on the ground. 90 1 When I went out to cut that grass, I run into all 2 kind of rocks. I had to actually walk that part 3 and start picking rock ups. So now that the dirt 4 pile's building back up, I would like to see this 5 committee ask the KCA if they can get rid of all 6 that, because -- 7 MR. NELSON: What you have is you've 8 got the Apaches digging for their folks and the 9 Kiowas digging for their folks. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: They use it when the 11 graves sink. They have to fill them in. 12 Generally the guy that -- not the Indian guys, the 13 white guys that do the graves, if you ask them 14 during a funeral if you've got a family member 15 who's got a sunk grave, he'll level them off for 16 you. We're going to have a little mountain 17 there. We'll call it Mount Wilbur. Well, I think 18 what we did with the dirt before, the Tribal 19 Administrator had it moved somewhere, somewhere to 20 fill in somewhere. 21 MS. AITSON: I have a place at 22 Richard Spur that is a pit that the former, a long 23 time ago, lease man dug a pit. I would love for 24 some of that dirt to be filling up that pit, 25 because it's like maybe a quarter-of-an-acre that 91 1 could be used for something besides just a big 2 hole. I mean, if anybody has -- 3 MR. HEMINOKEY: At one time I talked 4 with TA Johnny Wauqua, and even Mount Scott's got 5 a -- and I mean it's a big hill over there that 6 they've got and everything. And he had said that 7 since they -- since the tribe had just got a dump 8 truck and got a front-end loader and everything, 9 that he would go out there and have his people 10 take all that away and put it down at that new 11 building down there on the east corner, that there 12 was a big lagoon back there that needed to be 13 filled in. That's what he had told me, and that's 14 what I had told KCA. 15 MR. BURGESS: I don't know if you can 16 do that. You have to have mitigation for pouring 17 dirt. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You have to have a 19 plan on that, if you move the topsoil. 20 MR. HEMINOKEY: That's just what he 21 told me. 22 MR. BURGESS: We're going to call for 23 the question here. Motion's been made by 24 Mr. Asepermy, second by Mr. Henson. All those in 25 favor signify by saying "aye." 92 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 4 passed. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Eddie, can I get your 6 phone number? 7 MR. HEMINOKEY: 512-3745. 8 MR. NELSON: You messed up now. 9 MR. BURGESS: Item Number 27, Motion 10 of Co-Location of Fire Services and Law 11 Enforcement, as emergency services and fire 12 station. Okay. Mr. Nelson, we need a 13 definition. In discussion here, we were wondering 14 co-locate, fine, but now you say as emergency 15 services. Give me a further definition. 16 MR. NELSON: Well, my ideology is 17 this: You know, you have a building, it's a big 18 building. We have our law enforcement that's 19 inside our administration building. They have no 20 room. Our vehicles are always in the way. When 21 our Elders are here, they have to go through the 22 vehicles. It's got big parking. Hopefully in the 23 future it will be the Comanche Nation Emergency 24 Building, hopefully. We have on-call 25 firefighters. 93 1 MR. BURGESS: Wildland firefighters. 2 MR. NELSON: Wildland firefighters, 3 gentlemen. Law enforcement is just outgrowing 4 where they're at. They've got vehicles, they've 5 got computer equipment. They've got computer 6 equipment they're not even hooking up now because 7 we have no place to put it. The building was 8 built at a very exorbitant cost. 9 The building was not built with no 10 grant, so I deem it as a discretionary-type of 11 building. We got some very volatile programs. 12 We've got the women's shelter to the west, you've 13 got our sweet children to the east. They're 14 visible to the road. Any time we had emergencies, 15 we shall to peel out of here through our curvy 16 road. They're right -- they're accessible to 17 highways. I just see it as common sense. 18 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, discussion? 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Can you expound on any 20 of that? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Emergency, the way 22 I read the word, you're saying down the road. 23 It's not just the two that are being co-located 24 now, it can be bigger down the road. As an 25 example, just my thought now, it can be 94 1 paramedics, it can be structural firefighters. It 2 could be other things like hazmat people, all 3 those kind of things. These pollutant things 4 we're talking about at EPA, although EPA's behind, 5 but it can be those kind of things. Is that what 6 you're talking about? 7 MR. NELSON: Yes, the biggest concern 8 was the wildland firefighters. The Chairman 9 called for us to have a meeting with them this 10 past week. Their biggest concern was we were 11 throwing them out. No, no, no. As a matter of 12 fact, with Vern, he comes with so much extra 13 knowledge of getting at other people's money, of 14 actual grants. Vern, you just got a grant to get 15 some more vehicles, right? It doesn't cost the 16 Nation a dime. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: $98,000 from Department 18 of Justice, Tribal Resources. 19 MR. NELSON: It's just a win-win 20 situation, gentlemen. It really is. 21 MR. BURGESS: We've had that 22 discussion. We understand what the firefighters 23 are about, and we heard some of their concerns as 24 a body. I mean, the whole idea is to keep them 25 working. That's why we had the meeting, so we 95 1 could hear them out. It affected a lot of people, 2 and consequently a lot of lives. 3 Vern, on your grant, do we have to do 4 any match to your grant? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: No. We've already been 6 awarded. 7 MR. BURGESS: I know a lot of grant 8 budgets are coming out. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: -- 25 percent match, 10 this year it was a zero match. We also have two 11 other grants that are still pending, which I 12 suspect will be announced before the end of the 13 month. 14 MR. BURGESS: Is that for office 15 equipment? 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Vehicles. This one's 17 for vehicles. The next one is for equipment for a 18 meth lab, meth concerns. 19 MR. BURGESS: Phyllis and Vern, are 20 you able to search for any other grants for a 21 building or facilities to house anything that we 22 can do for our federal programs? Because the 23 grant we put in for for USDA, the CDBIG, was to 24 build another building here, and the plan in there 25 was to locate the police department on one side of 96 1 it, the CHRs in part of it -- 2 MS. ATTOCKNIE: I had to take law 3 enforcement out of it, because it's a communities 4 services-oriented purpose that they want. So I 5 threw him out the window before he even knew it. 6 MR. GRIFFIN: USDA authorized those 7 grants specifically for police departments. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Structures? 9 MR. GRIFFIN: For the structures. 10 MR. BURGESS: In that discussion we 11 had this past week, the discussion was extending 12 that building. The police department would be 13 housed on one end of it, the north end, and the 14 firefighters would be housed in this area. And 15 the concern is accommodation for material, space, 16 equipment, training session, a lot of concerns we 17 didn't get to address the whole time. And that's 18 why -- looking for that grant. If we can get into 19 it, and if we have missed a deadline or something. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, it would be next 21 year before you can even look at it. 22 MR. BURGESS: That's what I mean, we 23 missed a deadline. 24 MS. ATTOCKNIE: There's also another 25 that's going to be coming up through HUD for 97 1 another ICDBG starting in -- I think the RFP is 2 going to be coming out in about June or July of 3 next year. 4 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, far away. Well, 5 and then at the same time, in that meeting we 6 learned, for those who attended the meeting, we 7 learned that there is a reimbursement coming back 8 to the tribe from I'm going to say the 9 firefighter's program that has not been collected 10 yet. Am I right, Mr. Nelson? Once we collect 11 that money, that building we built with that grant 12 was designated for some wildland firefighter 13 services, office space, staging area. 14 MR. NELSON: I would really hope we 15 don't do that, sir. 16 MR. BURGESS: You want us to turn 17 back the money? 18 MR. NELSON: No, you didn't utilize 19 the money. You better make sure you tell them we 20 did not utilize your money. Tell them what you're 21 going to do with it. 22 MR. BURGESS: If we do what we built, 23 and we say we're going to do it, and that money's 24 going to reimburse us our cost, what do we do? 25 MR. NELSON: I think we better be 98 1 very logical and spell it out for them. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'm going to ask 3 one question. You know, we had that target 4 range. What's the status of that? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: It's never been 6 funded. It's been approved in 2004. The cost at 7 that time was $450,000. Now the cost is going to 8 be about 1.4 million. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So it's just 10 unfunded? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Unfunded. 12 MR. BURGESS: When you say the cost 13 of it, do we have to go back in the history 14 records here and pull out a plan, location, 15 facilities? 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, we had a location 17 and a plan, but it was never done. 18 MR. BURGESS: Was that the one that 19 was going to be at KCA by the pool? 20 MR. GRIFFIN: CBC pulled it back and 21 said they wanted to put that in capital 22 improvements. It never made it through the 23 pecking order in the capital improvement projects 24 to be built. 25 MR. BURGESS: My question is then, 99 1 behind, or the land over here where the fire 2 station is, how much space would you need? How 3 much designated area? 4 MR. GRIFFIN: There's adequate room 5 there. 6 MR. BURGESS: You need to put up a 7 building or just make sure you're -- 8 MR. GRIFFIN: We would like to have 9 it indoor. And the reason I say that, we don't 10 have to lose any training days depending on the 11 weather. Indoor, we could do whatever conditions 12 we need to, because we have to practice at night, 13 also. So instead of having a morning session and 14 turn around and wait till evening to come for the 15 night fire, we could turn the lights out and 16 simulate the night fire. 17 MR. BURGESS: Okay. But you already 18 have foundation plans, building plans? Any other 19 questions? 20 MR. GRIFFIN: I believe capital 21 improvement still has those. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: The only question I 23 have, if you're going to be housed with the 24 firefighters, you're two separate entities. 25 MR. GRIFFIN: That's correct. 100 1 MR. ASEPERMY: You stay out of their 2 business, they stay out of yours, correct? They 3 do their payment requests. Willie, I know we've 4 talked about this already. So with that, 5 Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to -- let me find 6 it. I make a motion to approve of the Co-Location 7 of the Fire Service and Law Enforcement as an 8 Emergency Services in the Fire Station. 9 MR. NARCOMEY: Second, Mr. Chairman. 10 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 11 Mr. Asepermy, seconded by Mr. Narcomey. All those 12 in favor signify by saying "aye." 13 (Aye.) 14 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 15 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 16 carried. 17 This is Motion Number 28. Motion to 18 rescind proposed purchase of property owned by 19 Winifred Pope. 20 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion. 21 MR. NELSON: Is Mrs. Pope here? 22 MR. ASEPERMY: I think, Mr. Chairman, 23 on this particular motion to rescind, my thought 24 was this property was -- 25 MR. BURGESS: Adjacent to that 101 1 development area. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, we called it the 3 B-3 property, but it's not near that, is it? 4 Robert, you went down there. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, no, it isn't 6 there. It's way on the south -- 7 MR. NELSON: It's by the airport. I 8 thought it was the old B-3 location, too. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 10 motion to rescind the motion of Mr. Richard 11 Henson, Vice-Chairman, to approve the purchase of 12 the Winifred Pope property in Lawton for the 13 appraisal price of 30,000 or less. 14 MR. HENSON: And I'll second that. 15 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Henson. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: So the deal's off. 17 MR. BURGESS: Okay. All those in 18 favor signify by saying "aye." 19 (Aye.) 20 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 21 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 22 have it. Motion carried. 23 Item 29, Approve Tribal 24 Administrator's travel to Tribal Net conference. 25 Mr. TA? 102 1 MR. NELSON: Where's my systems 2 analyst? It's paid for. It's paid for by the 3 actual information technology company that we do 4 use. 5 Right now, a lot of the tribes are 6 going to integration with -- of course, you know, 7 our Web site's been on board for three years. 8 It's outdated. A lot of these tribes, they're 9 outdoing us. Anything high-tech now, we're just 10 -- we're kind of lagging behind. 11 You know, I would love -- who is it, 12 Nick Tahchawwickah here, Mr. Bigbee here, I would 13 sure like to see our Nation streaming all of these 14 meetings to our, you know, our absentee 15 Comanches. A lot of tribes are doing this. 16 They're going to be showing all this. And the 17 great thing about it, our systems analyst here, 18 young Chibitty here, is going to be a keynote 19 speak there. 20 (Applause.) 21 MR. NELSON: One thing about Travis, 22 when he gets to speaking, it just goes over 23 everybody's head. And then when it's all done, 24 we're like, "Wow! Go ahead." 25 But the thing about it, he's 103 1 developed our web base, he's developed our actual 2 server, he's dealt with so much high-tech 3 information right now. It's really above me, and 4 I'm all about, you know, the computer age. You 5 know, we have to go there. 6 I always tell the staff here at the 7 tribe, you know, it seems like our Comanche Nation 8 makes all these rain forests cry because we use so 9 much paper, you know. And with our computer 10 system, it's all there, you know, and I would 11 hope, you know, everybody -- you see the lawyers 12 with their laptops. The CBC, now they're provided 13 with their laptops. The thing is, is that we just 14 got to move forward. And, Travis, I know I'm 15 going on big speech here -- 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Thank you, Willie. 17 Mr. Chairman, I make the motion to 18 approve Tribal Administrator William Nelson to 19 attend a Tribal Net conference in Las Vegas, 20 Nevada on October 21 MR. HENSON: I'll second that on one 22 condition, that he learns more about not being 23 over his head. 24 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Henson. 25 Motion's been made by Mr. Asepermy, seconded by 104 1 Mr. Henson. All those in favor signify by saying 2 "aye." 3 (Aye.) 4 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 5 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 6 passed. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: You've got five on 8 that one. 9 Mr. Nelson, in your absence, who is 10 the Acting Tribal Administrator? 11 MR. NELSON: What we do, we have 12 signature authority. Mr. Tippeconnie and HR serve 13 as the TA. They will lead them to the programs 14 they need to go to. There is no actual approving 15 of anything, so they are acting TA is the HR 16 department. 17 MR. BURGESS: We have a motion that's 18 made, Number 30, that's being tabled, further 19 discussion being required. 20 Moving on to Motion Number 31. 21 Mr. Nelson, this is a motion on behalf of United 22 Methodist Church of Apache, Mahsetky Church. 23 MR. NELSON: Yes. Is Mrs. Jay here? 24 The church is wanting to go to Santa Domingo. And 25 they said they weren't going to be here. And, 105 1 gentlemen, in the past, we've always allowed 2 people to use vans. 3 But something happened where -- you 4 know, my very first day here, I got a call from 5 Senator Wendy Boyd of Montana saying, "What are 6 you Comanches doing up here?" And you know, I 7 don't know. We just had a van up in Montana. So 8 we created a new policy that states, you know, if 9 you're going to utilize it, come before the CBC, 10 let them approve it, so we don't get these phone 11 calls from Montana. We just changed the policy 12 that you need to get approval from the CBC. It 13 just can't be a good ol' boy thing anymore. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: What's your 15 recommendation? 16 MR. NELSON: It's a church group. 17 MR. BURGESS: What's your 18 recommendation? 19 MR. NELSON: Yeah, I would, I would, 20 I would. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: So you're saying 22 you're recommending approval on this? 23 MR. NELSON: Yes. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: And the rules are all 25 attached to this? 106 1 MR. NELSON: Yes, they are. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They provide their 3 insurance, their driver? 4 MR. NELSON: Yes. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. Mr. Chairman, I 6 make a motion authorizing the United Methodist 7 Church of Apache, also known as Mahsetky Church, 8 to use one of our tribal vans for the dates of -- 9 Willie, what's the dates? 10 MR. NELSON: It will be the second 11 week of -- any church members here -- second week 12 of this month. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: When, this month? 14 MR. NELSON: Yeah. Yeah, I don't 15 think it can make it. That's what they're worried 16 about. They don't think it can make it. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: To use one of the 18 tribal vans the second week of September to travel 19 to Santa Domingo Reservation in New Mexico. 20 MS. ISAAC: And, also, doesn't the 21 tribe have to provide an employee to drive that 22 van? 23 MR. NELSON: No, as long as they have 24 insurance, Beverly. 25 MS. ISAAC: That wasn't before. It 107 1 had to be a tribal employee to drive a van. 2 MR. NELSON: Then we have to pay 3 them? Usually have to pay them. 4 MS. ISAAC: Well, that's a rule. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: No, the policy, 6 Beverly, is, the renter, the church, must provide 7 a qualified driver who possesses a Class A CDL 8 license with endorsement, or a Class B -- Wilbur, 9 I'm talking your ball game here. 10 MR. SAPCUT: Class A license, CDL. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Class A or class B? 12 MR. SAPCUT: A. 13 MS. ISAAC: When was that policy 14 approved? 15 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't have a date on 16 it. Willie, this has been since you've been? 17 MR. NELSON: Yes. 18 MS. ISAAC: See, before -- you're 19 just kind of making rules to accommodate 20 somebody. When the rules before were nobody could 21 drive a van, a tribal vehicle, unless it was a 22 tribal employee. Now the rules are changing, so 23 everybody needs to know about these rules. 24 MR. NELSON: Well, whenever you 25 request a van, you'll see the policy. 108 1 MR. BURGESS: We suggest, Mr. Nelson, 2 that we put this policy statement in the upcoming 3 newsletter in the month of October since we're 4 starting a new fiscal year. And also the rental 5 rate of anything for that, because that should be 6 part of our motor pool later on, should we get 7 there. 8 MR. NELSON: It's just not my rule, 9 Beverly, it's a collective thought. 10 MS. ISAAC: Okay. Like if we want to 11 go to Albuquerque, a group of women want to go, we 12 can rent that van? Don't change your policy later 13 on, that's what I'm saying. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Call for the question. 15 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made. 16 Wait a minute. Did you make the motion, Lanny? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 18 MR. BURGESS: And the second was 19 you? Bunky, you seconded that? Lanny made the 20 motion. I'm looking for a second. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, I make the 22 motion we approve it just exactly how it reads. 23 MR. BURGESS: I just added a date, 24 the second week of September. Okay. Motion's 25 made, been seconded by Mr. Henson. All those in 109 1 favor signify by saying "aye." 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 5 passed. 6 MRS. HENDRIX: So did you say there 7 is a rental fee on them? 8 MR. NELSON: On the luxury bus. I 9 call it the luxury bus. There is a rental fee on 10 that. These vans when you request, be it a Native 11 American church, nonprofit, I can't play 12 Mr. Solomon up there. Oh, you can, oh, you 13 can't. It's just the requests go crazy, it does. 14 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, Willie. 15 Item Number 32 is a motion, a request 16 from Comanche Nation Golf Association for 17 assistance with their golf tournament. They're 18 asking us for charitable contribution funds. It's 19 on the open agenda here, gentlemen. Do you want 20 to discuss? 21 MR. HENSON: I make a motion that we 22 table that. We don't have enough information on 23 it. 24 MR. BURGESS: On this one, the golf 25 association? 110 1 MR. HENSON: Yes. Wait, let me make 2 sure that's the one I'm talking about. 3 MRS. HENDRIX: Was there a situation 4 out there where they were having beer? 5 MR. BURGESS: Where? 6 MRS. HENDRIX: At the golf range? 7 Was there a situation out there that beer was 8 on -- 9 MR. HENSON: We're talking about 10 something else. 11 MRS. HENDRIX: Well, I'm just asking, 12 though, was there a situation like that? 13 MR. BURGESS: Well, that's a 14 different subject. Hang on. Let's get through 15 this one here. Motion on the floor. 16 MR. HENSON: I want to table that. 17 We don't have enough information. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Why don't we just 19 vote? I think we vote no. Do you agree with 20 that? All right. 21 MR. NARCOMEY: I'll vote no myself. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. I make a motion 23 to disapprove the Comanche Golf Association 24 request for $2,805. This is a motion to 25 disapprove. That's my motion, Mr. Chairman. 111 1 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, 2 Mr. Asepermy's made a motion to disapprove this 3 request. 4 MR. NARCOMEY: I second. 5 MR. BURGESS: Second by 6 Mr. Narcomey. It's actually a motion to deny 7 request, we'll do it that way. All those in favor 8 signify by saying "aye". 9 (Aye.) 10 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 11 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: And Mr. Henson brought 13 up a good -- they do collect dues and entry fees. 14 MR. BURGESS: I think they have -- 15 their association golfs year round almost, whether 16 they're golfing or not. 17 Item 33 is a motion from Native 18 Journeys to utilize the bus, Comanches on the Move 19 label or wrap, for September 10th. They have been 20 invited to come down to Fort Worth for some 21 classic event or activity that's labeled the WOW 22 event, being supported by the Board of Directors 23 of, I guess, Economic Enterprise -- no, Economic 24 Development. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Native Journeys. 112 1 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Native Journeys, 2 our tourism program director. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: I think we've got the 4 Native Journeys director. Is she here, the one 5 who has the dance group, also? 6 MR. BURGESS: Is there someone here 7 involved with the dance group or with Native 8 Journeys as a representative? Geneva Hadley, 9 normally. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, Geneva. Willie, 11 what is the fee for the bus for a one-day trip 12 down there and come back the same day? 13 MR. NELSON: $500. 14 MR. BURGESS: For one day? 15 MR. NELSON: Well, the policy is 16 ironclad. It's 500 out of state, 250 in state. I 17 think their request was, since it's PR for the 18 Nation, I think they were wanting a gratuity on 19 this; is that right? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They asked if it 21 could be 250. 22 MR. NELSON: That's why it's in your 23 hands, gentlemen. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: What's your 25 recommendation? 113 1 MR. NELSON: It's up to y'all. 2 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, but I've been 3 telling us to earn money on it. 4 MR. NELSON: It's PR. It's up to 5 y'all. 6 MS. ISAAC: How many days is it? 7 MR. NELSON: One day, down and back. 8 MRS. HENDRIX: Is there a written 9 policy? If there's a written policy, then you 10 have to go by the policy. 11 MR. BURGESS: There's a policy for 12 bus rental. Activities, I'm not sure. You'd have 13 to talk to either Ryan or Geneva Hadley over at 14 Native Journeys tourism group. They gave us a 15 small agenda. There's quite a few events going 16 on. They want the Comanches to be part of some 17 activities. 18 MR. NELSON: It is a small group. I 19 would hope that some other Comanches go. It is a 20 small group. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 22 motion authorizing Native Journeys to use the 23 Comanche Nation bus for a one-day trip on 24 Thursday, September 10th, 2009, traveling to Fort 25 Worth, Texas, to carry dancers, drum group, and 114 1 others to participate in the WOW Ultimate Venture 2 hosted by the Fort Worth Visitors Bureau. 3 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 4 Mr. Asepermy. 5 MR. NELSON: We're bypassing number 6 one on the policy, that's why it's in your hands. 7 They gave us eight days' notice. 8 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: And the 250 9 allowance is not stated in here, right? 10 MR. BURGESS: It's not in here, but 11 as he was saying, the present policy is 250 in 12 state and 500 out of state per day. 13 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: They're going out 14 of state but they want the in state. 15 MR. BURGESS: They're going less 16 than, what, 200 miles? 17 MR. NELSON: Yes. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Call for the question. 19 MR. BURGESS: I need a second. 20 MR. HENSON: Wait, wait, wait, 21 discussion. This is -- you made the motion based 22 on the regular policies that we have, right, not 23 the approving it for the 250, but present 24 policies? 25 MR. NELSON: Keep in mind, Bunky, 115 1 number one, it's a 30 day notice, one month in 2 advance, they gave us eight days. That's why it's 3 in your hands. 4 MR. HENSON: They didn't give you the 5 right notice? 6 MR. NELSON: Eight day notice 7 compared to a 30-day notice. 8 MS. AITSON: Disapprove it. 9 MRS. HENDRIX: and if you bend the 10 rules for one, someone's going to come along to 11 bend the rules again. 12 MR. NELSON: I don't know, it's a PR 13 thing. I'm like Lady Justice. It's a PR thing. 14 MR. BURGESS: You also heard the 15 comment that we should do something to get some of 16 the money back that's put out on it. 17 MRS. HENDRIX: I was told last night 18 we used it traveling back and forth to Red River, 19 didn't they, taking those employees? 20 MR. BURGESS: Well, the policy is 500 21 out of state, 250 in state? 22 MR. NELSON: They're wanting the 250 23 rate since it's in Fort Worth. 24 MS. ISAAC: When they took the bus 25 down to watch Comanche Boy, did they charge 116 1 everybody to take the bus? 2 MR. BURGESS: That's prior to our 3 arrival. We're trying to put in policies and 4 procedures, and we're trying to follow them the 5 best we can. 6 MS. ISAAC: And what about the little 7 kids? Is there an age group in there? If you 8 take little kids on a long bus ride, a lot of 9 people aren't going to like it. 10 MR. NELSON: Another administration, 11 Beverly. 12 MRS. HENDRIX: Does Native Journeys 13 have a budget? 14 MR. BURGESS: Yes, they have a 15 budget. 16 MRS. HENDRIX: Well, then. 17 MR. BURGESS: It's up to the Board 18 here. We don't have a second. Need a second. 19 MR. HENSON: He made a motion and 20 I'll second that, only on one condition, that it's 21 the present policy that's were following, no 22 exceptions. 23 MR. BURGESS: The second will be, 24 Mr. Nelson, you can tell Native Journeys that the 25 policy stands. Any time they cross state lines, 117 1 the rental fee is $500 a day. So we have a second 2 from Mr. Henson with that caveat. Did I say the 3 right word? All those in favor signify by saying 4 "aye." 5 (Aye.) 6 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 7 sign. 8 MR. NARCOMEY: Nay. 9 MR. BURGESS: All those abstain, same 10 sign. 11 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Hold on. I have 12 just a comment that may be something that we look 13 at in the policy, though, considering we do border 14 another state. 15 MR. NELSON: I know. 16 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Maybe we should 17 go in terms of day, or overnight, or mileage for 18 circumstances just as this, because I'm sure 19 there's going to be a couple of different trips 20 taken down that way that they can get back in one 21 day. 22 MS. ISAAC: Right, because they're 23 going to fill the tank up and they might come back 24 with more than it costs to go down there. 25 MR. BURGESS: That could be part of 118 1 the policy, take it out full, bring it back full. 2 As long as they don't drive to another casino and 3 start playing. 4 MS. ISAAC: Or Wal-Mart. 5 MR. BURGESS: Folks, we're going to 6 take a break here. Give us 15, 20 minutes, then 7 we'll come back for the rest of the agenda, as 8 best we can. The time is 12:07. Be back here at 9 12:37. 10 (Break held from 12:07 p.m. to 11 12:34 p.m.) 12 MR. BURGESS: Ladies and gentlemen, 13 we're going into our agenda what we call new and 14 old business. We do want to do as much as we can 15 and accommodate everybody for this weekend. 16 There's a lot of things people are doing or going 17 to. However, y'all all know that it just takes us 18 a lot longer if we don't continue with our 19 schedule because of all of the business that we 20 come to. 21 Yes, Bev? 22 MS. ISAAC: I had an issue with the 23 water park last summer. I took my granddaughters 24 down there, and just like my previous 16-year-old, 25 I had his picture. His picture was taken in the 119 1 water. He was just a little baby. I was trying 2 to take pictures of my grandkids at the water 3 park, and I was told I couldn't do that. And I 4 said, "Why?" 5 And they said last year I guess a 6 pervert was taking pictures. You go in any water 7 park, any zoo in Oklahoma, they have cameras 8 around their necks, they're taking pictures of 9 their children. Why couldn't they handle that in 10 a different way besides punishing everybody who 11 wants to take a picture of their kid at the water 12 park for the first time they're in the water? 13 There's got to be a better way. 14 Why do they always chop us up when 15 they make a decision, just like Willie is making a 16 discussion without getting involvement of 17 anybody. I'm sorry, I was taking pictures and I 18 was stopped. 19 MR. BURGESS: I really don't know why 20 they did that. We'll have to go back over to 21 Economic Development and tell them to explain 22 themselves to you all. I understand what you're 23 saying. I just don't want pictures taken of me in 24 the water park. 25 MS. ISAAC: I mean, if they found 120 1 somebody doing that, put that man or woman, put 2 their picture in the paper and punish them, don't 3 punish us. 4 MR. BURGESS: Just like an Amber 5 Alert. I say put it in writing and send it to 6 Mr. Ben Tahmahkera. He's the chairman of their 7 economic body. 8 MS. ISAAC: Well, I put something in 9 writing to Willie Nelson when he was put in there, 10 and he said he had to have four complaints. Is 11 that how they're going to do it, too? 12 MR. BURGESS: I don't know how 13 they're doing it. 14 MS. ISAAC: I hate to keep talking, 15 but a lot of things happen. 16 MR. BURGESS: We're moving into new 17 and old business. Deny, Dehny Roman? 18 MR. ROMAN: Vice-Chairman, Chairman, 19 Board members, I appreciate you inviting me to the 20 Board, coming down here to explain what's going on 21 with my company. My name is Dehny Roman, and I 22 have been in the telecommunications business for a 23 little over six years. We have a store in Altus. 24 We just recently opened a store in Lawton January 25 21st. The store -- it's taken me, oh, probably 121 1 about six-and-a-half years to build about 650 2 customers in Altus. We've been in Lawton for 3 about seven months, seven, eight months, since 4 January 21st, and we've already -- by the end of 5 September, we will have doubled our Altus store. 6 So, I mean, our company is really going really 7 well. 8 The majority of my business is Native 9 American, and out of that, the majority of my 10 customers are Comanches. And how we went about 11 getting all these customers, we've actually, my 12 family -- my son's in the back. I also have two 13 other sons, my 17, 19-year-old that runs my Altus 14 store. And we all run the Lawton store. 15 My son's kind of marketing the 16 Clinton area. We're looking at opening a store 17 down there eventually. Our next store we're 18 looking at opening is going to be in Anadarko, 19 we're looking at J.T. Gwoompi is going to be 20 running that store there. We're hoping to have 21 that store set up in Anadarko by the end of the 22 year. 23 We've signed up approximately 300 24 people in the Anadarko, Fort Cobb area, and you 25 know, I thank the Comanche for that, because I 122 1 know they put an article in their newspaper. And 2 we've had tribes from -- all the other tribes have 3 contacted us and we're starting to work with 4 them. 5 I've worked with Ben Hatfield from 6 the Wichita Tribe. They have three subdivisions, 7 about 180 homes, and they're building about 20 8 more. We've been able to penetrate about 30 9 percent of all his houses. I'm sure a lot of 10 y'all seen me at your houses or at meetings. We 11 work really hard trying to get the word out to 12 Native Americans. 13 MS. ATTOCKNIE: What do you do? 14 MR. ROMAN: I'm sorry, I provide low 15 cost home phone service to Native Americans. 16 There's certain areas that we cannot cover. If 17 anybody wants a card, they can raise their hand. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: One of the areas you 19 can't cover is Pioneer, right? 20 MR. ROMAN: Yes, sir. Some of the 21 areas we cannot cover, we can go anywhere that 22 AT&T and Windstream can go. Basically some of the 23 places we can't cover is Elgin, Apache, Fletcher, 24 Medicine Park, Carnegie. A lot of this area right 25 around the complex we cannot cover, because it's 123 1 Pioneer, and I think there's TDS or some other 2 company. But we can only go with AT&T. 3 We're definitely the fastest growing 4 prepaid company in this business in southwest 5 Oklahoma. We feel like we're going to take over 6 pretty much southwest Oklahoma, as far as the 7 prepaid business. There's no way we can keep up 8 with AT&T, but AT&T probably carries about 80, 90 9 percent of all the phone bills. A lot of little 10 companies like me make up for some of the others. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Roman, what are 12 you asking of the CBC? 13 MR. ROMAN: Mr. Henson just invited 14 me to kind of let you know what we're doing in 15 your neighborhoods and stuff. We're just kind of 16 letting you know what's going on with our company. 17 MR. HENSON: You might want to go 18 through the process and how much it would cost you 19 and stuff like that might be concerned. 20 MR. ROMAN: You can get long distance 21 calls, over 2000 minutes. You can call anywhere 22 you want in the United States and your phone bill 23 will be less than $14 a month. You can get a 24 Caller ID and Call Waiting. 25 The government did a survey several 124 1 years ago, and that's why the telephone companies 2 were deregulated. There were a lot of Native 3 Americans in the United States probably didn't 4 have phones than any other group. So this was 5 geared up for really Native Americans, but they 6 couldn't do this for Native Americans, they had to 7 open it up for everybody. 8 My company, we spend 90 percent of 9 our time, effort and resources strictly for Native 10 Americans. I'm sure a lot of these people in here 11 have seen me knock on their doors and just kind of 12 get the word out. I'm the one that personally 13 does a lot of the knocking. 14 But, you know, we've had -- I've 15 worked with the Elder Council quite a bit. We are 16 providing lunch for the Elder Council Tuesday, and 17 I know Raymond told me to be sure to remind you, 18 if anyone wants to come. We're going to have a 19 good lunch. I'm going to provide all the meats 20 and I think the ladies are bringing the side 21 dishes. 22 But we're located at 1303 West Gore. 23 If anybody needs phone service or they have family 24 members, please let us know. I'm probably about 25 the only one that will go out to their house in 125 1 the country. That's all I do. I'll be out 2 working after this meeting till after dark trying 3 to reach Native Americans. But I appreciate, you 4 know, you allowing me to come up here. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have a 6 question. Why can't you serve the Native 7 Americans in the Apache, Elgin, Carnegie areas? 8 MR. ROMAN: We can only work with 9 AT&T, and I'm not sure how come we can't actually 10 go in there. Some of them companies maybe don't 11 have to offer Tribal Lifeline. I think they 12 should, but we have no control over that. But 13 we're hoping that we can try to penetrate in those 14 areas. 15 I have just formed a corporation. 16 I'm still the president and the majority owner of 17 the company. I do have a CEO, CFO. They will be 18 checking into a lot of that stuff to see what we 19 can do about going into that area. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How much do 21 you charge a month? 22 MR. ROMAN: It's less than $20 a 23 month for Caller ID, Call Waiting. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Does that also include 25 cell phones? 126 1 MR. ROMAN: I was getting ready to 2 bring that up. We're also the distributor for 3 paid plus, a cell company. We're also going to be 4 able to provide -- may help a lot of people in 5 those areas that we cannot cover. We're going to 6 have unlimited long distance, unlimited text, 7 unlimited voice mail, and 20 megabytes of Internet 8 data that you can use. And the phone bill's only 9 going to be $20 a month. 10 MRS. HENDRIX: I was going to make a 11 comment that my daughter has this service, and you 12 went out to her house, and she is well pleased. I 13 mean, when she got her bill and it was $3. But 14 all she has is just the local phone. 15 MR. ROMAN: We worked really hard. I 16 promise you, there's nobody as far as a family 17 that works as hard as my family to support that. 18 We're not perfect. Like somebody had -- I just 19 talked to somebody and they were saying that when 20 they switched over they had a lot of static. Like 21 I explained, be sure and call me and let me know. 22 They would have that static if they were with 23 AT&T, because they own the license. All we do is 24 take care of the legal requirements, the tax, and 25 the phone bill. We do make mistakes. 127 1 I know I have to get with 2 Mr. Tippeconnie, I'll get with you on your phone, 3 and I apologize for that. I'll take the blame for 4 that. We had a little problem with this and I am 5 taking care of your phone, simple. 6 But we do work really hard and we 7 appreciate, you know, the Native American 8 business. I also try to work with the Tribe. I 9 try to make this a two-fold deal with them. I 10 don't want to be just one sided. I try to stay 11 involved with the Elder Council, and we are 12 providing their meals. I know they were cut back 13 on their budget or something. 14 I was there the last meeting and they 15 mentioned they didn't know how they were going to 16 get the food for the next meeting. I told them I 17 couldn't do it every month. My company is going 18 to provide the food for Tuesday if anybody wants 19 to come. 20 MR. HENSON: When you go in the cell 21 phone business, is there going to be any dead 22 spots? 23 MR. ROMAN: It's going to be through 24 Verizon, and so we really don't -- I'll be the 25 guinea pig, I'll get the first phone. I'll drive 128 1 around all the communities in this area and check 2 it. 3 MR. HENSON: In the state? 4 MR. ROMAN: Well, I'm going to try 5 and travel all over and check the phone, but first 6 I want to make sure, you know, where people are 7 living, that they can pick it up. But it is 8 through Verizon. It's supposed to be -- what the 9 salesman told me, the truck drivers like this 10 because they can go from California to New York 11 and not have any dropped calls. But, you know, I 12 don't know if that's 100 percent. 13 I'm really new in it, but I'll check 14 into that more. But we definitely, just like our 15 home phone, our cell phone is going to be the 16 cheapest. We're really excited about the cell 17 phone. 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I understand 19 your business is just starting to grow and 20 progress, and you said this is a two-way street 21 with Native Americans, so would you consider 22 hiring Native American employees? 23 MR. ROMAN: Yes. We are. Actually, 24 I was working through the Oklahoma Rehab. I told 25 them that whoever they sent me would have to be a 129 1 Native American. We're supposed to have a girl 2 start this week, but apparently they said she was 3 overwhelmed, didn't think she could do it. Like I 4 told the case worker, I'm probably the most 5 laid back person. I'm not expecting anybody to 6 come in thinking they know everything. We want 7 somebody that we can train. And I was going -- 8 I'll be meeting with Mr. Nelson. I'm going to see 9 if he can get somebody through the WIA program, 10 and we are going to try to get a Comanche, maybe, 11 to help us. 12 MR. BURGESS: I appreciate it. Thank 13 you very much. 14 MS. ISAAC: Can I ask a question? At 15 Apache, you can't go there, but in order -- even 16 if you get the cell phone started, we still have 17 to be hinged to the Internet at Apache? I don't 18 know. Can we go any place to get hooked up on the 19 Internet? 20 MR. ROMAN: I'm not sure. I really 21 don't know. We'll check into all of that more. 22 MRS. HENDRIX: Is your Internet 23 dialup. 24 MR. ROMAN: The only thing we have 25 now is dialup, but we're looking at trying to 130 1 partner up with, like, Xanadu and try to get some 2 high speed. We are a very new company. But I 3 appreciate everybody's time. 4 MR. BURGESS: Thank you very much, 5 Dehny. Next on the agenda is the Water Park and 6 Complex Headquarters Parking Lots. Mr. Attocknie, 7 is that you? 8 MR. ATTOCKNIE: Yes. I found out 9 that you guys were -- I'm Patrick Attocknie, for 10 everybody that don't know me. But I found out you 11 guys were remodeling the gym over here and stuff. 12 I have a proposal and stuff with the Fort Sill 13 Apaches, also, to stripe their parking lots. 14 So I seen all the construction going 15 on here, so I came to Louie and to Willie and 16 said, hey, I have this machine. You know, I don't 17 hand paint them. It's a machine. I can go out 18 there and get it done overnight and stuff like 19 that. So, anyway, Louie said to measure the water 20 park and this complex here, the complex parking 21 lots and the roads and stuff. 22 And I measured everything up to the 23 permit line to the street over here and the street 24 that way, and I did the water park. And I think I 25 put all this in your mail box the other day, but 131 1 here's another one for y'all. There's the -- this 2 is my -- 3 We've already done a few parking lots 4 in Lawton. There were a couple of laundromats we 5 did over there and a convenience store. But it 6 wasn't nothing like this. This right here could 7 really get a young fella like me into -- my foot 8 in the door into a business like that, to have the 9 tribe behind me like that, and have a big job like 10 this behind me. 11 This is probably the best deal y'all 12 would get out of anybody. I did a lot of research 13 on this. Louie said the last time y'all did this, 14 the estimate I have for the complex is a lot lower 15 than the one you did last time, he says. So I 16 thought maybe -- I don't know. 17 And I know you might want to have all 18 this done before the Comanche Fair. I can get it 19 done before the fair. It's a lot of paint and 20 stuff, but I can get it all done. If y'all 21 approve of these things, then I would do the water 22 park first, so I can use my funds that I make from 23 that to buy my paint to do this parking lot. 24 Louie suggested something about maybe 25 you guys getting the paint for me and letting me 132 1 do it, but then that's kind of like me being under 2 y'all's employ, I believe. 3 MR. BURGESS: Well, no, actually it 4 would not. That would reduce your invoice to us, 5 if we did it that way. But, Mr. Nelson? But we 6 have procurement policies. Contracting 7 responsibilities is one of the things that we 8 didn't do well in the past, and we haven't done 9 most recently, is put out requests for proposals 10 for certain functions that we, the tribe, 11 management doesn't do. 12 And in order to do that, we have to 13 let out a bid. Let out a bid for request for 14 proposals to perform specific work that we want 15 done that our crews are not doing. 16 Mr. Nelson, come up, please. 17 And I commend you for coming forward 18 like that. 19 In order to do that, Mr. Nelson would 20 have to coordinate with procurement probably and 21 let out a bid, get an estimate. I think our 22 contract requires three. 23 MR. NELSON: Well, the thing is, 24 we've got a young entrepreneur here, a Comanche 25 boy trying to make it. I like the idea. Then 133 1 again, we do have a procurement policy. 2 I wanted Patrick to show this to you 3 guys. He's got the machinery to do it, he's got 4 the ambition. And a foot in the door, like he 5 said, I would hope you guys would entertain this. 6 MR. BURGESS: Does our procurement 7 policy have -- 8 MR. HENSON: Indian preference, yes. 9 MR. ATTOCKNIE: I checked that out, 10 too. All the guys in town striping stuff are 11 white guys or blacks. Now, the guy I have working 12 with me, he's tutivo, but he's my brother in law. 13 I'm just going to repaint everything that y'all 14 got painted right now. 15 MR. NELSON: The thing is, guys, it 16 would look good for the fair. Everything -- even 17 over here -- down here at the emergency building 18 needs striping. We've got a lot of buildings that 19 need striping, a lot of them. 20 MR. HENSON: We do need it? 21 MR. ASEPERMY: And the water park. 22 MR. HENSON: Then put it out forbid. 23 MR. BURGESS: On the bidding process, 24 the caveat there is to have Indian preference, and 25 then within that area, would the procedures have a 134 1 5 point, 10 point preference for Comanche, for 2 Numunu entrepreneurs? 3 MR. NELSON: It does. 4 MR. BURGESS: It does? 5 MR. NELSON: Yes, it does. 6 MR. BURGESS: What we'll do is it put 7 it out for bid and you can follow that process, 8 whether it's a five-day, or 10-day announcement. 9 MR. NELSON: Clyde gave us, donated 10 five acres to us, we got it mowed, we got the 11 arbors being redone. We're going to make this 12 look really nice, you know, with the Shoshone 13 Reunion and Comanche Nation Fair coming up. 14 MR. NARCOMEY: That's for the fair 15 only. 16 (Discussion held off record.) 17 MR. NELSON: Anyway, this young man 18 came forward, it's needing to be done -- 19 MR. ASEPERMY: How long will the bid 20 process take? 21 MR. NELSON: When we get the bids, 22 procurement process, it will be about a week. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: And where is the money 24 going to come from? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We could look at 135 1 this money that's coming in for transportation. 2 It could come out of the -- 3 MR. ASEPERMY: He wants to get it 4 done, and Willie also mentioned that he wants to 5 get it done before the fair. We've got two 6 weekends. 7 MR. MAHSEET: That would only give 8 him a week. Can we make an exception? 9 MR. BURGESS: What we'll do, 10 Mr. Attocknie, is we'll go ahead and direct him to 11 put out a bid, follow that process. And as soon 12 as we know that the bid is out, either watch the 13 papers or call back and check with the TA. In the 14 past, we got dinged by our auditors. 15 MR. MAHSEET: Due to the time frame, 16 is there anyway we can make an exception on that 17 and let him have it? 18 MR. BURGESS: There probably is, if 19 the TA can get back with us on Tuesday. 20 MR. HENSON: Where's Willie at? 21 Where did Willie go? There is a -- on the 22 procurement, there is a phrase. It has to be so 23 much before it has to be advertised, right? 24 Because if it's $11,000, then it may not have to 25 be advertised. 136 1 MR. NELSON: On the contractual part, 2 there is. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They can get the 4 bids fairly quick. We should follow the new 5 policies. 6 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Do it the right 7 way. 8 MR. HENSON: There's no money limit 9 on whether -- how much it has to be advertised? 10 Everything has to be advertised? 11 MR. ASEPERMY: How long would it take 12 you if you were to get this bid? How long would 13 it take you to do the complex, the fire station -- 14 MR. ATTOCKNIE: I figure one good 15 whole night I could almost have this thing done, 16 but I see two days, I see two nights. I said 48 17 hours on my estimate, but I'm looking at coming in 18 here at 5 o'clock till 5 o'clock. I've got prep 19 work. I've got to come in here and sweep, you 20 know, and stuff like that. 21 But besides that, right after 5:00, 22 or even before that, you know, some of these 23 parking lots aren't even very busy, and I can 24 start getting on them, you know, cleaning them and 25 stuff during the daytime, and then come back 137 1 through and have you guys clean it up before the 2 morning time. 3 MR. HENSON: Willie, a suggestion: 4 It calls for three bids. Maybe you can jump on 5 the phone and call three companies right away and 6 tell them to put in a bid within 24 hours. 7 MR. NELSON: Sure. 8 MR. HENSON: Because there's a time 9 frame that's involved between now and the time -- 10 once you get the three bids, then they can go 11 ahead with the work. 12 MR. BURGESS: You would start here 13 with this complex, because all the activities at 14 the water park can be done in the evening time 15 after it closes and all. 16 MR. NELSON: Keep in mind, Labor Day 17 Weekend is the last weekend for the water park, 18 right? So hopefully Delphine will share in this 19 expenditure. 20 MR. BURGESS: Who is, Delphine? 21 MR. HENSON: Does this include the 22 water park? 23 MR. ATTOCKNIE: No, the water park is 24 a separate issue, but, yes -- 25 MR. HENSON: It's included in this 138 1 price? 2 MR. ATTOCKNIE: No, I have a second 3 estimate for that. 4 MR. MAHSEET: There's two items on 5 there. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That should be the 7 water park's. 8 MR. BURGESS: Ours is the complex. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: The water park he's 10 got at 1971, and then for the complex, 11,235. 11 That's the complex. This is the water park. The 12 reunion starts on the 22nd. We've got a General 13 Council on the 19th. If we want to get this done, 14 Mike, we have got -- 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They can expedite 16 it. Norman Nauni. 17 MR. ATTOCKNIE: Okay. All right, 18 thank you guys. Thank you for your time. 19 MR. BURGESS: Okay. 20 MR. MAHSEET: Executive session? 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah. 22 MR. BURGESS: I want us to get out of 23 here, too. 24 MR. MAHSEET: I make a motion to go 25 into executive session. Is that the end of old 139 1 and new business? 2 MR. BURGESS: Yes, it's the end of 3 new and old. 4 MR. MAHSEET: I make a motion we go 5 into executive session. 6 MR. BURGESS: There's been a motion 7 made. We completed our new and old business. We 8 will follow up on parking lot painting. Motion 9 has been made by Mr. Mahseet to go into executive 10 session. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 12 MR. BURGESS: A second's been made. 13 But there's a request here from some of the folks 14 at the outreach centers to be here, and then 15 Mr. Wermy is here. 16 What I'm trying to do is see what we 17 can do about getting the quickest ones out. Let's 18 see, Items 7 and 8. Bob, Items 7 and 8, can we 19 move those down to the -- is that Charitable Funds 20 or is that per cap? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's per cap, 22 minor per cap. 23 MS. ISAAC: Can I ask about the 24 outreach center? The outreach centers would be 25 Norman and Anadarko, right? Is that what you're 140 1 talking about? 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, that's their 3 titles, outreach centers, yes. 4 MS. ISAAC: But that doesn't include 5 nobody else but Norman and Anadarko? 6 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Nelson, give me 7 clarification on this, please. Number 5 in our 8 executive session, there was a question here for 9 input. Some of the folks that are using the 10 community centers, but we have listed 5, outreach 11 centers. Which one are you referring to, Norman 12 and Anadarko, the outreach centers? 13 MR. NELSON: The three that need an 14 actual caretaker. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: You're talking about 16 the community centers. 17 MS. ISAAC: And you need to clarify, 18 because we are not outreach. And we voted down 19 Norman, but it still is running. 20 MR. NELSON: It should be community 21 centers. 22 MS. CRAIG: Excuse me. Can I ask you 23 a question? If this is going to be about our 24 community centers in Walters, and Apache, and 25 Cache, why is it on here now and not -- you have 141 1 not met with the communities and explained to them 2 what your purpose was? 3 MR. NELSON: All this is, is to set 4 up an actual policy and taking care of a -- 5 MS. CRAIG: You still need to meet 6 with the communities and let them know what you're 7 going to do. These buildings were voted on by the 8 people. They are community centers, not outreach 9 centers. And these were in process long before 10 you ever came back home to live. 11 MR. NELSON: 1978 I was working here 12 at this tribe. 13 MS. CRAIG: I think you're jumping 14 the gun when you're going to start talking about 15 community centers and doing something about them 16 without letting people know exactly what the 17 program consists of. 18 MR. NELSON: I'm not doing one thing 19 but actually make sure the bills are paid, make 20 sure the buildings look good. 21 MS. CRAIG: The money is right here 22 at the finance office, everything is taken care 23 of, everything goes through here. And as far as 24 our community center in Apache, I see no problem 25 there. Why are you trying to do all this? 142 1 MR. NELSON: We have never had 2 policies and procedures. 3 MS. CRAIG: Oh, yes, oh yes. 4 MR. BURGESS: Hang on. May I speak? 5 What you're referring to is the tribe assigning an 6 individual as an employee to do caretaker service 7 at the centers. 8 MR. NELSON: Not an employee, just a 9 caretaker. 10 MR. BURGESS: Each of those 11 communities centers has a body, their advisory 12 board, and somebody on that board is always as a 13 volunteer or a chairperson over and supervise the 14 cleaning and the coordination of events and 15 activities going on in there, and they're charging 16 them fees, and that's by grant. The HUD grant 17 specifies that it was to be done forever more by 18 community bodies, to manage and maintain the 19 facilities. 20 All we do is promise to provide the 21 funding to those bodies to maintain and manage. 22 That's why we pay the bills, but the moneys 23 collected go into a coffer that they use to do 24 upgrades an upkeep. It's happened in the past 25 that we didn't have enough money. They went into 143 1 their coffers, all three of them went into their 2 little kitty to take care of some things the tribe 3 didn't have the money for previously. 4 And so we're going to be going into 5 an area again of grants management, that when we 6 agreed to do this and the communities said that 7 they would handle it, that's what the tribe's 8 agreement was. 9 MR. NELSON: Do each one of these 10 community centers come with a resolution stating 11 that? 12 MR. BURGESS: It's in the grants that 13 were written. The resolution states that. 14 MR. NELSON: What does the HUD grant 15 say about a building being built? Take, for 16 instance, the Visitors' Center. After five years' 17 time, you can do whatever you want with it. 18 MR. BURGESS: Guys, Bob suggested we 19 go ahead and table this. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Executive session. 21 MR. BURGESS: When we get into 22 executive session, table it. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: What Willie was 24 wanting was to present a policy. 25 MR. NELSON: Policies and procedures. 144 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Aurilla, you were the 2 chairperson of that. Do we, in Apache, have a 3 written policy and procedure? 4 MS. CRAIG: Everything. Delphine had 5 everything. And when I came to a major problem, I 6 called her one day and I talked to her on the 7 phone about the problem we were encountering, and 8 she said, well, that's not our problem, that is 9 your baby down there. That is a community 10 building and the community has to take care of 11 their own. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Aurilla, do you recall 13 if that written policy is somewhere at the center? 14 MR. NELSON: It's not here, ma'am. 15 MS. CRAIG: You don't have it here? 16 I believe Sandra Gallegos has one. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Willie, do you think 18 you could get with Sandra, Lola Otitivo and Billie 19 Kreger? They're currently the keeper of the keys, 20 you could say. And ask if they have a policy and 21 procedure for doing business there, such as 22 deposits, rentals, upkeep, maintenance, et 23 cetera. I read your policy, and I like it. 24 MR. BURGESS: They have their 25 policies. I've had to deal with it as the TA, so 145 1 I know it's in place. You may not have it in your 2 office, but it's a part of the grant. The 3 resolution specified they'd follow the grant rules 4 at that time. So get with the coordinators before 5 we address this. We're going to come to our 6 executive session. We'll just table it. 7 MS. ISAAC: It would be nice to have 8 a meeting at the community centers and come and 9 call the communities there anyway. 10 MR. NELSON: Well, the policies and 11 procedures are just for the caretaker, that's it. 12 MR. BURGESS: Well, it sounds like 13 the caretaker you're talking about -- when I did 14 it, we hired a WIA worker during the summer that 15 did a lot of the physical labor on the outside. 16 It hasn't been done lately, so they're using 17 volunteers to take care of the outside and 18 sometimes the interior. 19 MR. NELSON: Well, guys, if you were 20 to see our procurement practice at all three, it 21 would blow your mind. 22 MR. BURGESS: You're the TA. If you 23 want to assign a worker to be there -- 24 MR. NELSON: So we do have to have 25 some policies for it. 146 1 MS. ISAAC: I did work at the 2 community center on that -- Donna's program, so 3 you can use her program to send people down there 4 and put us to work again. I'd love to work over 5 there again. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Currently, if I'm not 7 mistaken, I know in Apache, taking care of the 8 grounds has been contracted out, and the funding 9 that was approved by the General Council or 10 referendum vote, $40,000 per, that the -- I don't 11 know if the right word is caretaker. But we had 12 three people that had the keys where they are paid 13 a stipend per month, where the yard work in Apache 14 at least I know is contracted out. And if there's 15 a major repair, Willie, if I'm not mistaken, if 16 there's something that needs to be fixed or 17 supplied, the requests come into you, right? 18 MR. NELSON: Right. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: That's kind of how 20 we're working it now. 21 MR. NELSON: The sad thing is, 22 Walters, they never receive a stipend. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: And I did talk to Lola 24 Thursday night. We were in Cache last night. 25 MR. NELSON: As you can see, when you 147 1 look on the outside -- 2 MR. ASEPERMY: It was pitiful. I 3 hate to say that. 4 MR. BURGESS: We've got a motion to 5 go into executive session. We've heard a little 6 bit about it. We'll go into executive session. I 7 need a second. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We'll discuss it 9 further. 10 MR. HENSON: I'll second it. 11 MR. BURGESS: Motion by Mr. Mahseet 12 to go into executive session. Mr. Henson seconded 13 it. 14 (Executive session held from 15 1:07 p.m. to 5:05 p.m.) 16 (Meeting recessed until September 21, 17 2009.) 18 19 20 * * * * * * 21 22 23 24 25 148 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) ) 4 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 5 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 6 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 7 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 8 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 9 that the meeting was held on September 5, 2009, in 10 the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney 11 for nor a relative of any said parties, or 12 otherwise interested in the event of said action. 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 14 my hand and seal of office on this the 28th day of 15 September, 2009. 16 17 18 __________________________ 19 Kelly Stoabs Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 for the State of Oklahoma 21 22 23 24 25 149 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 10:00 a.m. on September 5, 2009, and that the 8 meeting was duly called and held in all respects 9 in accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25