1 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 8 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 9 MONTHLY MEETING 10 OCTOBER 3, 2009, 10:09 A.M. 11 COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 12 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 __________________________________________________ REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR 23 DODSON REPORTING & ASSOCIATES 435 NORTH WALKER, SUITE 102 24 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA 73102 (405) 235-1828 ~ (405) 235-1266 (FAX) 25 dcri@coxinet.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Michael Burgess, Chairman Richard Henson, Vice-Chairman 5 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer Edmond Mahseet, Committeeman #1 6 Lanny Asepermy, Committeeman #2 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 7 Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4 8 LEGAL COUNSEL: 9 William Norman, James Burson Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 10 11 12 * * * * * * 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 2 PAGE 3 Meeting called to order at 10:09 a.m. 5 4 Invocation. 6 5 Roll call. 6 6 Motions passed to amend agenda. 7 7 Motion passed to approve September 12 2009 minutes. 8 Discussion of hunting on Comanche property. 14 9 Motion passed to approve Resolution 154-09/ 25 10 Enrollment/List No. 803 Eligible. 11 Motion passed to approve Resolution 155-09/ 27 Enrollment/List No. 804 Ineligible. 12 Motion passed to approve Resolution 156-09/ 28 13 Enrollment/List No. 805 Ineligible. 14 Motion passed to approve Resolution 157-09/ 29 Harjo et al v. Pro Football, Inc. 15 Motion passed to table Resolution 158-09/ 31 16 Human Resource Policy Incorporation. 17 Motion passed to approve Resolution 159-09/ 31 Approve Comanche Nation Transportation 18 Policies and Procedures. 19 Motion passed to approve Resolution 160-09/ 45 NCAI. 20 Motion passed to approve Resolution 161-09/ 53 21 Transportation/Funding for Rt. 7195 from any Federal funding sources (ARRA Stimulus). 22 Motion passed to approve Resolution 162-09/ 54 23 Establish Office of Compliance and Development. 24 25 4 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continued) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to approve Resolution 163-09/ 63 Gaming BOD & Commission/Approval of 4 2010 Budget. 5 Motion tabled authorizing the Comanche Nation 77 Maintenance staff to become a Bargain Service 6 to the entire Comanche Nation entities. 7 Delphine Nelson/Comanche Nation Fair Report. 91 8 Moment of silence in honor of Mr. Reeves 111 Nahwooksy. 9 CN Outreach Center & CN Funeral Home/ 113 10 New Building Satellite Office. 11 Anthony DeFillipo/401(k) Plan. 130 12 Jarvis Poahway/Parks & Recreation. 132 13 David Yeagley/Media & Tech School Project. 147 14 Thomas Narcomey/Petition & Special 160 Council Meeting. 15 College Nursing moved to executive session. 164 16 Motion passed to go into executive session. 164 17 Executive session commenced at 1:42 p.m. 165 18 Reporter's Certificate. 166 19 Secretary's Certificate. 167 20 21 22 * * * * * * 23 24 25 5 1 (Meeting called to order at 2 10:09 a.m.) 3 MR. BURGESS: Good morning, ladies 4 and gentlemen. We're going to come to order here 5 shortly. Thank you so much for showing up, 6 everybody. I appreciate everybody being here 7 again. And, Bobby, would you say a prayer to open 8 our meeting, please? 9 MR. NAUNI: I just want to say 10 something first. You know, when I was a young 11 boy, I couldn't talk that good with English, 12 because all we did was talk Comanche. So I 13 remember one night in the second grade, I asked my 14 grandmother. She was a praying woman. She prayed 15 at night when I fell asleep, and when I woke up in 16 the morning she was still praying. She told me, I 17 said, "How do you pray? How do you know what to 18 say?" 19 She said, "Well, you pray to God just 20 like you talk to your father, because that's what 21 He is, is your Heavenly Father. You tell Him what 22 a good day you had when you went swimming, when 23 you rode your horses, played with your friends and 24 so on." But she said: "Remember, whatever you 25 do, if anybody asks you to pray, don't say no." 6 1 And so I've carried that little story 2 with me all my life and it's helped me through 3 times. Like today, I didn't mean to say something 4 I said, but it just came out. I'm glad I did, 5 because I had to get it off my heart. But the 6 Lord knows us and how we are and He forgives us 7 when we ask for forgiveness. That's all we have 8 to do is ask. So I want to thank you, Mike, for 9 asking me to pray today. 10 (Invocation.) 11 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, Bobby. With 12 that, ladies and gentlemen, welcome, every one of 13 you. We have over here breakfast, snacks for 14 those of you who didn't have breakfast, juice. 15 We'll call the meeting to order. Mr. Tippeconnie, 16 would you call the roll, please? 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Michael Burgess? 18 MR. BURGESS: Here. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Richard Henson? 20 MR. HENSON: Here. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Robert Tippeconnie? 22 Here. 23 Edmond Mahseet? 24 MR. MAHSEET: Here. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Lanny Asepermy? 7 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Here. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Darrell 3 Kosechequetah? 4 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Here. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Clyde Narcomey? 6 MR. NARCOMEY: Here. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: All present. We 8 have a quorum. 9 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, if you would 10 like to take a few minutes to review the minutes 11 of the previous meeting. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mr. Chairman, 13 before we begin, I'd like to make some amendments 14 to the agenda. 15 MR. BURGESS: That will be fine. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'd like to add to 17 beneath Item 5, which is resolutions, a motion on 18 maintenance. And then in executive session, Item 19 11, Medicine Bluff, Item 12, McCurtain. 20 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Number 11 would 21 be Medicine Bluff. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Number 12, 23 McCurtain. 24 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Motion's been 25 made to amend the agenda, gentlemen. Is there a 8 1 second? 2 MR. NARCOMEY: Second. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm sorry, I was 4 talking. 5 MR. BURGESS: First in Item 5, 6 resolutions, under Number 5, there will be a new 7 resolution coming on maintenance -- excuse me, a 8 motion on maintenance. That's here at the 9 facilities, Mr. Tippeconnie? 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. Well, it's 11 with the nation. When we receive the motion, 12 we'll discuss it. 13 MR. BURGESS: And then moving over to 14 Number 7 on our agenda, executive session, adding 15 two more items. Number 11 will be Medicine Bluff 16 discussion and Number 12, McCurtain. So the 17 motion's been made by Mr. Tippeconnie, seconded by 18 Mr. Narcomey. All those in favor signify by 19 saying "aye." 20 (Aye.) 21 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 22 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 23 have it. 24 MRS. HENDRIX: Mr. Chairman, I had 25 asked to be on the agenda and was told I was. 9 1 MR. BURGESS: Yes, put that in the 2 executive session. Can you amend that? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I'll amend my 4 -- it will be Number 13. 5 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 6 MRS. HENDRIX: In executive session? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, executive 8 session. 9 MRS. HENDRIX: Well, it doesn't have 10 to be. 11 MR. BURGESS: We'll explain to you 12 why. Thanks, Debbie. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mrs. Hendrix, yeah, 14 Number 13, amendment to include that. 15 MR. BURGESS: Thank you. Do you 16 agree, Clyde? 17 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes. 18 MR. BURGESS: Now, Item Number 1. 19 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, before 20 we start, I need to amend the agenda just a little 21 bit, also. Under the Charitable Funds Request, I 22 have a person that should be coming in here in a 23 couple of hours, her name is Joyce Burris. She 24 requested to be put on the -- 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Joyce Burris? 10 1 MR. BURGESS: Joyce Burris. 2 MR. NARCOMEY: Joyce Burris. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Under new and old 4 business, Clyde? 5 MR. NARCOMEY: No, Charitable Funds. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Item 8, so it would 7 be the second number -- it will be Number 2. It's 8 already there, Joyce. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the name, 10 Clyde? 11 MR. NARCOMEY: Joyce Burris, 12 B-U-R-R-I-S. 13 MR. BURGESS: Motion to amend our 14 agenda once more by Mr. Narcomey. Is this it? 15 MR. NARCOMEY: Go ahead. 16 MR. BURGESS: You want to amend the 17 agenda for the charitable contributions? 18 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes. Then once you 19 get through that, she has a question on the 20 college. She said she's supposed to be on the 21 agenda for the college concerning the nurses. I 22 don't know, she just came up and told me. 23 MS. NOWELL: This was sent to your 24 office, Bob, on the 14th. 25 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, we have two 11 1 new amendments here: One involving our Charitable 2 Funds, Joyce Burris; the other involving this 3 paper brought to us by the college nursing 4 program. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Number 8 on the new 6 and old business? 7 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Number 8 on the 8 college, new and old business, Section 6, Number 9 8, the college nursing program. And then 10 Mr. Mahseet has a suggestion. We'll enter that. 11 I know that suggestion when we come to it. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We had a motion on 13 the first one. We need to have a second. 14 MR. BURGESS: I'm going to add these 15 two to that. Just table the motion so we can do 16 them as a whole and that should be it. I don't 17 think there's any other individuals bringing 18 anything. So, Clyde, you made the motion, you 19 added these two. 20 MR. NARCOMEY: That's good. I'll go 21 along with it. 22 MR. BURGESS: Okay. And a second? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 24 MR. BURGESS: So we've amended the 25 agenda adding those two items. The college will 12 1 be under Item Number 8, Section 6 of our agenda. 2 Ms. Burris will be Number 2 under our Charitable 3 Funds on the agenda. 4 Back to minutes. Does anyone have a 5 concern or correction on the minutes that you've 6 seen, if possible? Call for the question on the 7 motion. All those in favor signify by saying 8 "aye." 9 (Aye.) 10 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 11 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Ayes have 12 it. 13 Any concern on the minutes? Is 14 everybody still reading them? 15 Mr. Nelson, on the HR policies that 16 we passed, we didn't instruct you to do it, but I 17 think soon we need to work up a memo from HR to 18 all employees that are members of the Native 19 American Church to put their card on file. 20 MR. NELSON: Yeah, we addressed that, 21 we sure did. 22 MR. BURGESS: It's in here, we just 23 need to tell the employees. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's in the new 25 policy. 13 1 MR. BURGESS: While my cohorts here 2 are reviewing the minutes and catching up on some 3 of the past business, I just want to let folks 4 know that I got an e-mail the other day asking me 5 why I was stopping per cap on the old age Elders 6 payment. I said, "Well, I don't know why I'm 7 doing that, because I haven't said I'm going to do 8 that." 9 So just to let y'all know, we meet in 10 about two weeks with the bank, City National Bank, 11 and they are going to come up with the approximate 12 time frame that payments will be made and total 13 numbers of people that we have that will be 14 receiving both per cap, and again for our Elders 15 assistance. That money will become available 16 again at the time they have -- when we have a 17 banquet for them. So let your family know that I 18 am not stopping per cap. I'm trying to increase 19 it. I go and play at the casino every morning 20 now. 21 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mike, I have a 22 question. My sister is going to turn 62 on 23 December 28th, the same with me next year, I'll be 24 62 on the 25th. So I'm hearing now that the 25 cutoff is a certain date now instead of going 14 1 through the end of the year. 2 MR. BURGESS: No, we didn't change 3 that. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The cutoff is -- 5 yes, technically the end of September, but those 6 who turn 62, we have another way that we handle 7 those, but those will be paid as well. 8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay, thank 9 you. 10 MR. BURGESS: I had a call today, 11 this morning, from Mr. Ben Tahmahkera, and I'm 12 just glad that Jarvis is here. Jarvis, I guess in 13 the past the CBC had made a motion or something 14 that only Comanches could hunt on that, is it Dodd 15 property? Mr. Tahmahkera is a Comanche member and 16 was wanting permission again to go hunting during 17 deer season. So we will be faced with that 18 question. If not today -- when is deer season 19 open? 20 MR. POAHWAY: It's open now, bow 21 season. 22 MR. BURGESS: It's open now, bow 23 season? 24 MR. POAHWAY: Yeah, but we don't want 25 him in there because he brings people from Fort 15 1 Worth. Under those, under the signatures, that's 2 the way he does it all the time. 3 MR. BURGESS: We'll have to discuss 4 with our police department that we may have to 5 have some observation and permission going in and 6 out. What I mean by observation is that an 7 officer's stationed there, notified or something. 8 MR. POAHWAY: I talked to Louie 9 Pacheco and he was willing to -- he's a police 10 officer downtown, and he's willing to act as kind 11 of a regulator. 12 MR. BURGESS: Game warden or 13 regulator? 14 MR. POAHWAY: Yeah, game warden or 15 regulator for any of our Indian property that 16 needs to be hunted on. If he does take that post, 17 then he'll, of course, make sure they get their 18 limit, make sure that they don't go out on the 19 property with four-wheelers or build deer stands 20 out there. You know, we've already said we don't 21 want them. 22 MR. BURGESS: Okay, now this is prior 23 to my time, but I want the CBC to be aware that we 24 may have to put this to rest and design just how 25 we're going to do this and enforce the capability 16 1 of our Comanche people to hunt, as long as they 2 have state license, because it is state land right 3 now. 4 MR. WHITEWOLF: What's wrong with our 5 policemen? Why can't our policemen do that? 6 MR. GRIFFIN: We, in the past, had 7 brought a proposal to actually have a game warden, 8 have a game warden up on the appropriate laws, and 9 because of the dollars and cents, the CBC elected 10 not to. 11 MR. BURGESS: Okay. And at this 12 point in time, folks, with the advent -- okay, I'm 13 coming to you Delores. We have land down south 14 where there are hogs. We have tribal members who 15 have feral hogs on their land tearing up their 16 property. We may have to go to a game warden just 17 to protect private property as well as these 18 animals coming in on our land and tearing up the 19 land base along the river. 20 Now that we have lands, now that we 21 have lands, you know, we need to come up with that 22 concept, that idea, so it's going to be the CBC 23 taking ideas back from the police department and 24 maybe getting funding, if we can, to go to game 25 warden status and have people who do this full 17 1 time. Because generally the hunting for the hogs 2 will be in the nights or mornings. 3 MR. POAHWAY: Do you want us to 4 submit a proposal? 5 MR. BURGESS: Not yet, no, not yet. 6 I've got two questions. Delores Aitson? 7 MS. AITSON: I heard someone say why 8 can't our tribal police do something about that. 9 I live down here at Richard Spur on 15 acres of 10 land, and I know the neighbor and I know who's 11 killing deer down there. It's all year long, 12 because my dogs drag up deer heads and deer legs 13 and hides, and now one of my dogs is gone, dead. 14 I've asked the police before what -- you know, 15 come down and check, because I knew that's what 16 was happening. They won't do anything about it. 17 MR. BURGESS: Well, then again, if 18 it's in or out of jurisdiction, there's other 19 things taking their time. So we need to look at 20 really getting a game warden or two people who do 21 this all the time. 22 MS. NELSON: Four years ago, the 23 business committee passed ordinances for -- it was 24 a way to license people on tribal land, as well as 25 setting some ordinances in place for Comanches. 18 1 It did make allowances for a game warden, and I 2 believe Jimmy Arteberry may have copies of 3 that, because at the time that was under his 4 management. 5 MR. BURGESS: Four years back? 6 MS. NELSON: Through EPA, they took 7 it through EPA and developed the ordinances for 8 Comanche lands, for nontrust lands, for 9 licensing. So those are probably still on the 10 books, and I know Jimmy probably can still get a 11 copy of it. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Was that during your 13 time? 14 MS. NELSON: Bill, you were involved 15 in writing those, weren't you? Because Bill and 16 Jimmy and I sat down and were writing those, 17 because we have a lot of illegal hunting on 18 Comanche lands. 19 MR. WHITEWOLF: I think Delphine's 20 got the wrong idea, because the constitution says 21 the tribe has no jurisdiction over personal trust 22 property. 23 MR. BURGESS: Yes, if it doesn't, 24 other than if the individual were to call us in, 25 like Ms. Aitson was saying, and that's where a 19 1 game warden could come in and observe at nights 2 and mornings. 3 MR. WHITEWOLF: But why not call a 4 legitimate game warden in? I'm sure they'll 5 cooperate. 6 MR. BURGESS: Again, it's on trust 7 land, and we want to protect our sovereignty, our 8 need to be over trust lands. 9 MR. WHITEWOLF: Yes, but fee property 10 adjoins tribal land, too. 11 MR. BURGESS: I know there's a lot of 12 comment here, but if I could defer to the police 13 department, we're going to return to Mr. Nelson 14 and review, go back to that ordinance, because our 15 game warden probably should have dual 16 jurisdiction, state and trust land. So we'd have 17 to have them cross-deputized and work for the 18 State as well so they can go off trust land and 19 talk to those individuals. One last statement. 20 MS. ISAAC: I had no problem when I 21 called the -- I think it was a game warden, and 22 they came out of Carnegie to catch the beavers 23 that were cutting down the trees on my property. 24 I had no problem, and they didn't ask questions, 25 they just came and did it. 20 1 MR. BURGESS: So it's a matter of 2 just working with the state game warden. But, 3 then again, if they don't have time. See, we have 4 that 600 acres and other acres that we own that 5 have wooded areas on it that they may not -- we'll 6 never know what happened. We've got three buffalo 7 roaming, we haven't seen them in two months, but 8 we know they're there. Yes, last one. 9 MS. TAPTOE: I know with this parks 10 and recreation we have a good friend, Marion 11 "Nick" Plata. He said he would help us. He's 12 with the wildlife refuge. He said he would help 13 us in any way for the rules of hunting, 14 everything. 15 MR. BURGESS: Again, we'll go back to 16 that ordinance and the people that were on it, 17 Mr. Arteberry and Laverne here with our police 18 department. Yes, Willie, thank you. 19 MR. NELSON: Question to Mr. Mahseet 20 and Mr. Darrell Kosechequetah. Eddie, I don't 21 think that ordinance that was presented was 22 passed. Am I wrong? I don't think it was passed. 23 MR. MAHSEET: It wasn't. 24 MR. BURGESS: It wasn't? 25 MR. MAHSEET: It wasn't. 21 1 MR. NELSON: And Mr. Darrell 2 Kosechequetah, KCA, how do they -- what is the 3 policy over there? 4 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: We just received 5 them, in fact, this week in the mail. They had 6 them stored away and Chairman Topfi came in and 7 started asking for all this documentation they 8 didn't presently have. They had to pull it 9 together. It was done, I think, put together a 10 couple of years ago. We just got copies of that 11 this week. So if you want to share information, 12 we could do that, but I'm not real knowledgeable 13 on that, so I don't know how good they are, the 14 policies. We just got them this week. 15 MR. NELSON: They're requesting our 16 Chairman different hunters this week because of 17 bow season, and I guess things were grandfathered 18 in for everything behind Fort Sill Indian School. 19 And mainly tivos, so, you know, I don't know what 20 they proposed over there with KCA. 21 MR. POAHWAY: That's what we're 22 trying to stop, is tivos going out there hunting, 23 because I've caught several of them out there on 24 the property. That's what we're trying to stop. 25 We don't want tivos hunting our property, any of 22 1 them. It makes me mad. You know, I see them out 2 there. 3 MR. MAHSEET: Chairman, that was the 4 reason why they brought that resolution up in the 5 first place, is that a lot of Indian owners, 6 whereas the tribe don't have jurisdiction over 7 them, they were bringing in -- they were leasing 8 to white people, the white people were bringing in 9 their own hunters to come in and hunt on their 10 land. That was why the resolution was brought up, 11 but it didn't pass. I think there was a lot of 12 regulations with the recreation. 13 MR. POAHWAY: The county and law 14 enforcement around, they all recognize the fact 15 that it's Indian property, but there's only one 16 problem with that, is that if it's undivided 17 interest, you've got to have all the signatures of 18 everybody on their property to allow one person to 19 hunt on that property. You can't just say go out 20 there and take this piece of paper, because it's 21 undivided interest. 22 MR. BURGESS: Ladies and gentlemen, 23 we want to get into our agenda, so this is the 24 last two statements. 25 MR. CODOPONY: One comment I want to 23 1 make: It sounds like the ordinance was proposed 2 but never approved. If you would, in your 3 consideration, I know we've been leaning towards 4 in some of our own properties, is that there's not 5 a current mechanism. We've had people making ag 6 leases on some of our allotments, and the only 7 reason they leased it was because they wanted to 8 do the hunting on it. And an ag lease, the Bureau 9 is telling me, doesn't allow them to have hunting 10 rights on that. 11 So there's some more things there, 12 because we've also made a hunting lease on top of 13 that ag lease, that grazing lease. They're only 14 allowed for farming and grazing rights. They 15 don't have the hunting rights on it. That's a 16 separate piece of paper. And I know that's also 17 been a point of contention on our property, and I 18 know other tribal members have that same issue. 19 So if you're going to address to take 20 a look and possibly if there's some way of 21 incorporating the warden or whatever that had the 22 ability to enforce those leases, also. It may be 23 too big of a scope to look at, but I want to make 24 you aware of that issue. 25 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, you had a 24 1 statement? 2 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes, my mom owns land 3 in Fort Cobb and it's full of deer. She has the 4 same problem, that the lease man has allowed 5 non-Indians to come out there. And I have been 6 out there and there are deer stands. I have a lot 7 of cousins that do hunt out there, and they own 8 the property along with my mom. But I called the 9 Bureau, and the Bureau sent out one of their law 10 enforcement officers immediately. The lease man 11 happened to be there, and he told him, he said, 12 "If I come out here and catch you or your son," 13 because his son was having parties out there, he 14 said, "you will automatically go to federal prison 15 immediately." He said, "This is trust property." 16 And so -- but we haven't had any problems since 17 then. But I did -- because I kept noticing 18 things, and so I just kept going to the Bureau. 19 He said, "Well, let me know when you're out there 20 and you see him out there and I'll come out." 21 They took care of the problem. 22 MR. BURGESS: Thank you very much. 23 Ladies and gentlemen, we're going to go into our 24 agenda here. Gentlemen, those of you who reviewed 25 the minutes, I need a motion to accept. 25 1 MR. MAHSEET: So moved, Mr. Chairman. 2 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Mahseet has made 3 the motion. A second? 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 5 MR. BURGESS: All those in favor 6 signify by saying "aye." 7 (Aye.) 8 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 9 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The minutes 10 are accepted. 11 Now, Item Number 5 of our 12 resolutions, Resolution 154-09/Enrollment/List of 13 Eligibles. It's a fairly short list. I'll go 14 ahead and read this one for y'all. This is a 15 resolution to accept these applications for 16 membership in the tribe according to Article III, 17 Section 1. These are the ones who are eligible 18 meeting more than 1/8th degree of Comanche Indian 19 blood. The first one is James Barrett, Bryan 20 Burch, Jr., Michael Edwards, Beckham Figueroa, 21 Jackson Foote, Lyle Fulnecky, Aiden Green, Sia 22 Hogan, Aundrea John, Krystal Peck, Taylor Roache, 23 Ethan Shorter, Nadia Summerlin, Nicholas 24 Wockmetoh, Jr., Chesmu Zweibel. 25 These are all applicants for 26 1 membership into the tribe. Motion to accept 2 Resolution Number 154-09? 3 MR. HENSON: I'll make that motion. 4 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 5 Mr. Henson. Second? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 7 MR. BURGESS: Second by 8 Mr. Asepermy. All those in favor signify by 9 saying "aye." 10 (Aye.) 11 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 12 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 13 passes. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, that 15 brings our total enrollment for the nation to 16 14,606. Fifteen today versus 102 last month. 17 Eight were 1/8th, four were 1/4th, one was 3/16th, 18 one was 1/4th, and one was 3/8th, just for your 19 information. 20 MR. BURGESS: Possibly by February 21 1st, we will be near 15,000 membership. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: And in the 27 months 23 that I've been on the business committee, we have 24 enrolled one full blood, one full blood. Just 25 kind of interesting. There are 942 full-blood 27 1 Comanches on the roll right now. 2 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, I've got 3 a question on that. Since we approved this 4 Resolution 154-09, this is October the 3rd. Now, 5 they put in their applications in September or 6 maybe earlier than September. These people do or 7 do not qualify for per cap? Just my question. 8 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Tippeconnie? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Enrollment should 10 be answering this, but as I understand it they 11 have to be certified by the end of September, and 12 this is certified in October. 13 MR. NARCOMEY: All right. Just 14 curious because I know there will be questions 15 about it. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You mentioned 18 1/8th or 1/16th. Is that -- 19 MR. ASEPERMY: No, 1/8th of these 15 20 new members, eight of them were 1/8th. Last month 21 out of the 102 that we enrolled, 80 of them were 22 1/8th. 23 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Sad. 24 MR. BURGESS: All right. Resolution 25 Number 155-09, that's our next one. This is a 28 1 list of one ineligible. They do not meet the 2 criteria. 3 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 4 resolution to approve that Resolution Number 5 155-09. 6 MR. BURGESS: Motion made to 7 approve. Do I heard a second? 8 MR. HENSON: I'll second. 9 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Henson. 10 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 11 (Aye.) 12 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 13 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 14 passes. 15 Item Number 3 under resolutions, 16 Resolution Number 156-09, another list of 17 ineligibles. 18 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 19 approve, Mr. Chairman. 20 MR. BURGESS: Motion made to approve 21 by Mr. Narcomey. 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I second it. 23 MR. BURGESS: Second made by Darrell 24 Kosechequetah. All those in favor signify by 25 saying "aye." 29 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Item passes. 4 Now, we have before us a resolution 5 supporting a lawsuit by -- I don't remember the 6 first name, but it says Harjo et al. versus Pro 7 Football, Incorporated. This is against the 8 ownership or is it, Mr. Burson, the Redskins? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, it's against 10 the Pro Football actually. It's against the NFL. 11 MR. BURSON: It's basically against 12 NFL, but primarily because the Redskins use the 13 name for their sports team. 14 DR. YEAGLEY: What does this 15 resolution involve? Someone please tell me what 16 this means. What are you resolving to do? 17 MR. BURGESS: We're supportive of the 18 lawsuit against Pro Football, NFL, to withdraw 19 those names that are deemed derogatory, negative 20 against our people nationwide. We're just 21 supporting it. 22 DR. YEAGLEY: You would send a letter 23 or something? 24 MR. BURGESS: We would send a letter 25 with a copy of the resolution saying we support 30 1 it. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Yeagley, it's 3 basically to support the Indian side of the 4 article, etc., versus Pro Football, Incorporated, 5 which was initiated in 1992. 6 DR. YEAGLEY: I know, I know every 7 detail. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: It was reversed in 9 2005, we won, and it pertains to the use of 10 Redskins on the Washington pro football team. 11 DR. YEAGLEY: I know every detail. I 12 just wanted to know what our tribe -- 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Basically what we're 14 going to do, I hope, is support -- 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 16 approve. 17 MR. NARCOMEY: I second, 18 Mr. Chairman, even though I'm sure nothing will 19 ever get done about it, but I support it. I 20 second it. 21 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 22 Mr. Tippeconnie to approve this resolution, 23 seconded by Mr. Narcomey. All those in favor 24 signify by saying "aye." 25 (Aye.) 31 1 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 2 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 3 have it. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: If any of y'all would 5 like to review this, you're welcome to pass this 6 around. It pertains to this lawsuit. 7 DR. YEAGLEY: I'd like to see it. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 158-09 was tabled? 9 MR. BURGESS: No, 159-09. Oh, 10 158-09. 11 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion that 12 we table that. 13 MR. BURGESS: Motion made to table 14 Resolution Number 158-09. Motion by Mr. Henson, 15 seconded by Mr. Tippeconnie. Item tabled. 16 And we have a resolution before us to 17 approve a Comanche Nation Transportation Policies 18 and Procedures. We have a two-page, or is it 19 three-page. For those who are concerned about the 20 bus, this is the rules for renting the bus, 21 behavior on the bus, the policies affecting use of 22 the bus, and there's a renter's release form 23 that's attached. This means that the bus can be 24 rented and that there are rules and regulations 25 that apply whenever it's in use by an entity from 32 1 the tribe or outside the tribe. Any questions, 2 gentlemen? Have y'all read it? 3 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, on Page 4 Number 2 where it says, "Request for use of 5 vehicle must be reserved one (1) month in advance 6 with dates and days the bus will be used," can we 7 change that? I would recommend we change that to 8 one week. You know, a month out, there might be 9 something come up. You know, 30 days is a long 10 way out. Can we change -- I'd like to recommend 11 that we change that reserve thing from one month 12 to -- give me an idea, Willie. Three days, five 13 days, seven days? Keep it as it is or what? 14 MR. NELSON: You know, to be honest, 15 eight days would be one day plus a week. That's 16 what I suggested. What we had a problem with was 17 two-hour notice. That was the past. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: What about a three-day 19 notice? 20 MR. NELSON: Eight days is pretty 21 good. A week and a day. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: Your recommendation is 23 a week? 24 MR. NELSON: A week and a day. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I make a 33 1 motion we pass it, if it's the consensus of the 2 CBC. 3 MR. BURGESS: I have a question. On 4 this, Mr. Nelson, do we require a deposit to be 5 made? 6 MR. NELSON: Yes, we do. 7 MR. BURGESS: And is that deposit a 8 full deposit or a percentage of the use? 9 MR. NELSON: It's usually 25 percent 10 and 75 percent upon completion. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Is that in the policy? 12 MR. NELSON: Actually, we're looking 13 at actual policy to get the vehicle. You know, 14 the actual bus. Now, the financial part, we got 15 to work out one thing. It came up with -- where's 16 your group at? What are they called? Journeys, 17 Native Journeys. You know, we've got Dallas, 18 which is the same equivalent of time to get to 19 Tulsa. So, you know, we got to work that in. 20 We've got to work that in. If we're going to 21 Dallas, which we generally do, Dallas, Amarillo, 22 you know, we've got an in-state price, Mike, and 23 then we've got an out of state, but where we're 24 logistically located, we got to incorporate Texas 25 in there. 34 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Instead of determining 2 in state or out of state, can you determine by 3 miles? 4 MR. NELSON: By a radius? 5 MR. BURGESS: Radius, that would 6 help. And then my question is, if they do not 7 give us adequate notice that they're going to 8 cancel the trip, are we returning all the fee, is 9 a percentage held back for late notice, like a day 10 before? 11 MR. NELSON: There's really no 12 penalty, hasn't been. 13 MR. HENSON: There should be. 14 MS. NELSON: When we rented a bus out 15 of Texas, we had a trip going to Dallas, a two-day 16 trip, we had to put a 50 percent deposit down, and 17 if we canceled without a 24-hour notice, we lost 18 our deposit. 19 MR. BURGESS: That was outside, that 20 was commercial? 21 MS. NELSON: That was a commercial 22 bus out of Texas. Comanche Nation. 23 MR. NELSON: We've got to Comanche- 24 ize it. We're a little more flexible. 25 MS. NELSON: We knew if we didn't 35 1 take that trip with that bus -- yet by the same 2 token, we can call down there same day and get a 3 bus the next day, as long as we have the 50 4 percent deposit. 5 MR. BURGESS: Okay, because it's not 6 that we want to inflict a financial pain on some 7 organization, but because we set it aside, it's 8 been determined you're going to use it, and then 9 we deny someone else that use, when in fact, they 10 went elsewhere, we've lost business, too. That's 11 just the cost of doing business. But, then, 12 Mr. Nelson, if there's some flexibility of keeping 13 10 percent for less than 24-hour notice or 48-hour 14 notice, because some organizations really won't 15 know until the last minute, and then we've lost 16 business to lease it out or rent it out before. 17 So please take that into consideration. 18 MR. NELSON: We're going to come back 19 to you guys with the actual financial radius. 20 There's also the issue of insurance. Bottom line, 21 if you are part of the entity, you are part of the 22 nation. There is a way for our insurance company 23 to encompass you, but let's say you're not. You 24 know, you're part of a church group. Well, good 25 Lord, you've got to come with your own insurance 36 1 waiver. Bottom line, we have four trips where we 2 weren't even covered, and we were so liable. You 3 hear of buses catching on fire. You know, that 4 type of thing like that will shut this nation 5 down. 6 So Norman and I have really been 7 proactive on this to make sure our insurance is 8 covered, no matter what. We weren't, and we were 9 so liable, and we don't even know that. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I would 11 -- you've got your onboard bus rules, which is 12 fine; you've got your nation bus policies, which I 13 think the one month needs to be changed to eight 14 days; you've got your renter release form. I 15 think what the chairman has asked for and it 16 should be part of your package here, that's the 17 deposit, the radius thing. So, Mr. Chairman, I 18 recommend that we table this until we get a full 19 package from you, Willie. 20 MR. NELSON: Okay. You want to 21 incorporate more or less this -- 22 MR. ASEPERMY: If it's okay with 23 everybody else. 24 MR. BURGESS: We could pass with 25 amendments that we've just mentioned; therefore, 37 1 then we'd have a policy in place. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: And then we have to 3 pass the amendment, or the addendum to this. 4 MR. BURGESS: No, the amendments that 5 we're talking about right now. We can make the 6 motion to add these amendments to help guide them, 7 because it's going to be a work in progress. But 8 there's things coming up that we might need to 9 rent the bus for. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: That's your 11 recommendation? 12 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Call for the question, 14 then. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want to raise a 16 question. On the policy, we have eight days, and 17 then Item 6 on that, where fees will be charged -- 18 MR. BURGESS: Based on radius? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You're going to add 20 some wording there? 21 MR. NELSON: As to be amended on that 22 fee? And, of course, you don't even have radius 23 in there. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's why I say, 25 if we're going to pass it, we should say as to be 38 1 amended, because you're going to have to work on 2 something. 3 MR. BURGESS: But, see, that gives 4 him a policy that's in place. That way, come 5 October, when somebody wants to rent our bus to a 6 Halloween powwow or something, and November's 7 coming up, and a group wants to take it, we have 8 policies in place. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: So if we pass this, we 10 need an addendum to this? So call for the 11 question to pass this with the change on the 30 12 days to eight days, and an addendum on the 13 radius -- 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Item 6. 15 MR. HENSON: Fee will be charged as 16 amended. 17 MR. NELSON: I do have to throw the 18 insurance clause in there. Bottom line, we have 19 to get the chairman's authority on most of our 20 Comanche functions that go out. As long as our 21 insurance company knows that the chairman has 22 agreed that this is truly a Comanche entity, we 23 are covered. Now, if we get a little iffy on the 24 other ones, we shouldn't be there. Bottom line, 25 if it's a little iffy, it's on their insurance to 39 1 cover our bus. 2 MR. BURGESS: And Native Journeys, 3 might I ask, has been paying their insurance? 4 MS. NELSON: We have a rider. 5 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Ms. Isaac? 6 MS. ISAAC: Are we going to provide a 7 driver for the tribe when it goes out? 8 MR. BURGESS: No, the renter is 9 responsible for their own driver and providing for 10 them. That's commercial, commercial bus lines do 11 that as well. 12 We have the motion by Mr. Asepermy. 13 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, Mr. Burson 14 brought up a good point. Could you explain that, 15 please? 16 MR. BURSON: On Item 5 on the bus 17 policy, it would be our recommendation to have a 18 minimum amount of liability insurance that a 19 private party provide in order to be able to 20 qualify for renting the bus. Just off the top of 21 my head, I would encourage something like 5 22 million as a minimum. 23 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Ms. Nelson, when 24 you've gone and purchased insurance, at what rate 25 or how much coverage have you picked up? 40 1 MS. NELSON: It's $4 million at 2 $1,000 a month. 3 MR. BURGESS: Because that's a 4 commercial rate, is it not? 5 MS. NELSON: Yes. 6 MR. BURGESS: For individual? 7 MS. NELSON: Once you classify it as 8 a tour, it changes the rate completely. There are 9 several different categories you can buy it 10 under. One is a tourism category, the other is 11 strictly recreational, which would be your youth 12 programs, and those would be covered by the 13 tribe. Once it goes into tourism and tours, then 14 it goes up to -- we have a $4 million policy, and 15 it runs about $1,000 a month. 16 MR. BURGESS: A month or per 17 activity? 18 MS. NELSON: No, a month. Yeah, 19 because you have to -- you can't just buy it for 20 the trip. It has to be for an extended period, 21 six months or a year. That way, you can have it 22 in place if maybe during they use the bus. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Can you get it at 24 the 5 million? 25 MS. NELSON: Yeah, we can get it at 41 1 the 5 million, but we have it at the 4 right now. 2 MR. BURGESS: What does your 3 insurance recommend? 4 MS. NELSON: That's what they 5 recommended. It will cover the cost of the bus, 6 and that allows for $500,000 through -- the bus 7 seats 40, and it will insure each person for up to 8 $1 million medically, if you have a full load. 9 Plus your full coverage on the bus and everything. 10 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Nelson, what is 11 your recommendation to add a line item, dollar 12 amount to that in your insurance line there? 13 MR. NELSON: Well, our stop loss for 14 our nation is 10 million. Okay? Because we 15 encompass the whole gamut. So, you know, we're 16 great. It's always the outside entity, you know, 17 where we're going to have the issue. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think it should 19 be something like in that 5, renter must provide 20 insurance at a minimum of 4 million. What do 21 you -- 22 MR. NELSON: What do you think, 23 Burson, 4 million or 5? Four million sounds good 24 to me. 25 MR. BURGESS: If our primary renter 42 1 is Native Journeys and that's what they've been 2 getting, then hopefully we'll never need to use 3 it. But it's always -- you have to have it. 4 MR. NELSON: Well, I talked to TA 5 Kopepassah Of the Kiowa Tribe, you know, the Kiowa 6 Tribe would like to use this sometime. I told him 7 the insurance value, and he said, Hey, that's no 8 problem. You know, we're insured just like you 9 guys are, so -- 10 MR. BURGESS: So they would come 11 under our wing for $10 million coverage? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, they have to 13 have theirs. 14 MR. BURGESS: They want to slide 15 under. 16 MR. NELSON: They have to bring their 17 tribal insurance to the table. 18 MR. HENSON: I have a question. If 19 we had an accident and we were insured for $4 20 million and it cost more than that, would the 21 tribe have to pay that extra? 22 MR. BURSON: As long as there's been 23 no waiver of the tribe's sovereign immunity, the 24 insurance company, you will be allowed to focus on 25 anything over 4 million. 43 1 MR. HENSON: So we'd be covered under 2 that? 3 MR. BURGESS: We're not liable. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're protected. 5 MR. HENSON: I was just thinking 6 about all passengers under that sign some kind of 7 waiver before they get on the bus. 8 MS. NELSON: Even if you signed a 9 waiver, even if you have people sign a waiver 10 which says you're not responsible for accidents or 11 injuries, it doesn't relieve you of that 12 responsibility. As far as someone else like 13 Native Journeys renting the bus, because Economic 14 Development in no way waiver the tribe's sovereign 15 immunity or obligate any of their assets. That's 16 automatic, you know. The sovereignty is not an 17 issue because it's not waived. So the tribe is 18 not liable. If Native Journeys at that point in 19 time has the bus and has signed for the bus, they 20 become the sole responsibility. 21 MR. HENSON: I was thinking in terms 22 of if the amount of damage was over $4 million, 23 would we still be responsible? That was my 24 question. 25 MS. NELSON: It would depend. It 44 1 would depend on who has the bus at the time. If 2 it's Native Journeys, the nation would be in no 3 way obligated. If it's the youth program, then 4 yes, the nation would be obligated. But like 5 Mr. Nelson said, they have a $10 million stop 6 loss. 7 MR. HENSON: That's what I was 8 talking about. 9 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Asepermy, the 10 concept here is to add a line item under Item 11 Number 5 to say to provide insurance at a minimum 12 of $4 million as Native Journeys is doing. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: That's part of the 14 addendum? 15 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 17 MR. BURGESS: Okay, gentlemen, with 18 those addendums on Number 5, Number 6, and Number 19 1, on the Comanche Nation bus policies, the motion 20 is on the floor by Mr. Asepermy to approve. 21 Second? 22 MR. HENSON: Second. 23 MR. BURGESS: Seconded by 24 Mr. Henson. All those in favor signify by saying 25 "aye." 45 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 4 have it. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: William, can you 6 provide a copy of that to the CBC when you do your 7 addendum in our boxes? 8 MR. NELSON: Sure will. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Thank you. 10 MR. BURGESS: Moving on to Number 7 11 on our resolutions, Number 160-09, this is a 12 resolution to approve our membership into the 13 National Congress of American Indians. One 14 correction on this is, be it further resolved, 15 that Tribal funds in the amount of $15,000 be paid 16 to NCAI based on the tribal membership dues 17 scheduled by the NCAI By-Laws, and we are 18 authorized to be paid for membership into NCAI, so 19 our votes will count, the votes of the tribe. The 20 cost is high, if you would consider it high, due 21 to our number of enrolled members. We crossed a 22 threshold of 7,500 members, so our membership fee 23 went from $5,500 to $15,000. 24 MR. WHITEWOLF: What do we get for 25 being a member of NCAI? I've never known them to 46 1 do anything. 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, a lot of that is, 3 again, we get membership, our voice should be 4 heard, we're supporting various legislation. 5 MR. WHITEWOLF: Voice should be heard 6 from where? 7 MR. BURGESS: Well, when we jump in 8 with the rest of the tribes in supporting 9 resolutions and documentation on behalf of our 10 Nations -- 11 MR. WHITEWOLF: Yeah, but do we need 12 to belong to the club? Why can't we as Comanche 13 people speak with our own voice? 14 MR. BURGESS: Well, we do 15 additionally, but a lot of times when we join the 16 group we have a stronger voice. 17 MR. WHITEWOLF: $15,000 for nothing 18 is a lot of money. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It really doesn't 20 go for nothing, because the resolutions -- if you 21 ever see the resolutions passed by the National 22 Congress -- 23 MR. WHITEWOLF: Yeah, but they have 24 no effect. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They do. They 47 1 bring them to the Congress. Some have had an 2 effect on legislation. And the point that the 3 chairman is making here, if you have more nations, 4 Indian nations, because these are nations, people, 5 not individuals but nations. Now, individuals can 6 be a member of NCAI and they have a voice, and 7 they have a vote as an individual on different 8 things that they ask to be carried forward to 9 Congress or other places. But they do have quite 10 a voice as a whole, because they're Indian 11 nations, they're governments. 12 They get a lot of attention. You 13 know, the president of the NCAI, as an example, 14 knows the president of the United States, he knows 15 the Speaker of the House, he knows the persons in 16 the Senate, and that is an entry, too, for Indian 17 nations into the arenas of the national -- well, 18 of Congress and of the Administration. 19 Also, the NCAI leadership has made a 20 number of contacts with department heads of the 21 federal government. They do it with some 22 regularity. As an example, the National Congress 23 is establishing an embassy for all Indian nations 24 in D.C. We want the nations to be recognized, 25 just like they have all these foreign governments 48 1 with an embassy. So that's an undertaking of the 2 National Congress, but you have to look 3 specifically at the resolutions passed by NCAI. 4 Now, they have different work groups 5 as well that put all these things together, so 6 when they come up with resolutions, they come from 7 the floor, so to speak. They come from the Indian 8 nations and individuals who are participating. 9 What happens a lot, and some others can speak 10 here, because Mr. Mahseet's been active. But a 11 lot of that brings forward contemporary issues 12 that are really important to Indian nations. 13 MR. MAHSEET: For example, as a 14 Veterans group, where Fort Sill had this National 15 Veterans Cemetery out here, we got a proportion of 16 that where any Native American can go out there 17 and be buried and be recognized in the National 18 Veterans Cemetery. That was passed. We took it 19 to the Congress and it was passed. So if you 20 would like, or any veteran that would like to be 21 buried out there, they would be recognized in the 22 National Veterans Cemetery. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: And there was another 24 thing that pertains to the Veterans, 25 Mr. Whitewolf. On our National VA Cemetery, the 49 1 families are not allowed to go beyond the rotunda 2 to the burial site to watch the lowering of the 3 deceased. What this NCAI has done, they have 4 passed a resolution, because we have special 5 traditions that if an American Indian dies, buried 6 in a VA cemetery, they have made an exception to 7 policy where we are allowed to go to the lowering 8 site of the veteran, where we are allowed to sing 9 our songs, where we are allowed to cover our 10 dead. That was pushed by this NCAI. 11 And this wasn't happening four years 12 ago at the new VA Cemetery out here. I've been to 13 four American Indian burials out there. It 14 stopped at the rotunda. This just went into 15 effect. 16 MR. BURGESS: You know, other things 17 we utilize as a tribal government, thankfully to a 18 national body like this, and it's one of the 19 oldest, and the reason it was created was to give 20 voice to Indian governments. TERO, NAHASDA, 638 21 Contracting, compacting that tribal governments 22 now do didn't get done because one tribe or 23 several tribes went individually to Congress. It 24 happened because all these 500 tribes in this 25 nation came to a body, that body supported these 50 1 issues for tribal communities and went forward. 2 Those legislations do pass. Not all, but when you 3 have a big voice like that, things happen. 4 DR. YEAGLEY: I just want to ask you 5 something. Is this going to eventually lead to a 6 time when we'll actually have an American Indian 7 congressman amongst all the others? That would be 8 the goal, that would be the ideal. 9 MR. BURGESS: There have been several 10 from their states, that's how they're elected, but 11 you're talking about a future policy change where 12 the National Congress of American Indians would 13 have a representative into our nation's Congress? 14 Then you need to take that to NCAI and Congress. 15 So if you want me to stand up and legislate, 16 advocate for that, then you authorize us to make 17 this payment so we can speak on that floor. 18 MR. YACKEYONNY: Right now for the 19 Congress, the Indian Congress, who is their point 20 man? 21 MR. NELSON: Mr. Garcia. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mr. Garcia, 23 president. 24 MR. YACKEYONNY: I mean, who is his 25 point man in Congress? Who does he -- if he wants 51 1 an issue to be heard on the floor? 2 MR. NELSON: We had Ben Nighthorse at 3 one time. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: He goes right to 5 the front. 6 MR. BURGESS: He can go to the 7 Speaker of the House, the vice-president, the 8 president. He can go to Congress, if they so deem 9 to give him time to speak to Congress. 10 MR. MAHSEET: I make a motion to 11 approve. 12 MR. BURGESS: Motion to approve? 13 Thank you. Motion's been made to approve. 14 Second? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want to make one 16 note here, that when we make the payment here, 17 there is a -- in the policy of NCAI when you make 18 a payment, there's a vote, a number of votes 19 relative to population. So there may need to be 20 an adjustment here of the 180. 21 MR. BURGESS: All right. Second, was 22 that you, Bob? 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 24 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Tippeconnie 25 seconded. All those in favor signify by saying 52 1 "aye." 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 5 passed. 6 MS. ISAAC: When they have NCAI in 7 the different areas of the country, does it 8 matter, like, how many representatives from the 9 Comanche Nation go to it or is it just one person? 10 MR. BURGESS: It doesn't matter, but 11 there's only one voice. How many representatives 12 go, but one stands up and votes on behalf of the 13 nation. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Individuals can 15 vote. 16 MS. ISAAC: Individuals can vote? 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They become members 18 and they can vote as an individual. 19 MS. ISAAC: Because when Sandy got 20 voted in for the Southwest District for the -- I 21 can't recall what's the name. But there was a 22 group of Comanches that went to Tulsa and they saw 23 this group of Comanche, and I guess it impressed 24 them, so Sandy got voted in and the group helped 25 to get her in. 53 1 MR. BURGESS: To NCAI or -- 2 MS. ISAAC: No. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: She's talking 4 about NICOA. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The elders group. 6 It's a different council. 7 MS. ISAAC: But what I'm saying is, 8 the group helped her to get recognized. 9 MR. BURGESS: Well, we have several 10 people here, tribal leaders in Oklahoma who are 11 running for office that we're supportive of them. 12 So we're going to go there and vote for these two 13 representatives from Oklahoma to be on NCAI. 14 Moving on to Resolution Number 15 161-09, which is Item Number 8. This is seeking 16 funds from the American Recovery, whatever act it 17 is, the stimulus package, seeking funding for 18 Route 7195. I'm not sure where that is. That's 19 probably a state road. So we're looking to get 20 the funding to do that road. It's in Cotton 21 County located east of Walters. We don't have a 22 dollar amount, but that's needed on that Indian 23 road. I think we got homes out there. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it's on the 25 Indian road, right. 54 1 MR. NELSON: That Indian turnpike. 2 Right where Neva's land goes back. It used to be 3 a shortcut to Temple. I would like to add: Will 4 Owens did a good job in the last two-and-a-half 5 years. He got $465,000 back from projects that 6 we've done. You know, he's a young up-and-coming 7 director in our nation, and I wish he was here to 8 give him that kudos so he could stand up. We've 9 come out ahead on a lot of projects. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Make a motion 11 approve. 12 MR. BURGESS: Motion's been made to 13 approve Resolution Number 161-09 by 14 Mr. Tippeconnie. 15 MR. MAHSEET: Second. 16 MR. BURGESS: We have a tie for 17 second over here, so Mr. Mahseet's made the 18 second. I heard him first. All those in favor 19 signify by saying "aye." 20 (Aye.) 21 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 22 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 23 passes. 24 Moving over to Item Number 9, 25 Resolution 162-09, this establishes the Office of 55 1 Compliance and Development within the tribal 2 nation's administrative offices. This will help 3 to serve as both internal auditing arm and a 4 planning department to seek out new grants and 5 funding sources for our programs and our services 6 to the community. 7 MR. WHITEWOLF: What's that going to 8 entail? When you say compliance, what are you 9 talking about? 10 MR. BURGESS: Going back to our past 11 recent history, we didn't have a checks and 12 balance system between program managers doing 13 their responsibility of reports, and finance being 14 assisted with program reports. So an internal 15 auditing department will be looking over their 16 shoulder saying, You're late with these reports, 17 you've got 30 days to file them, 15 days, and then 18 now you're late. And in finance, it's that little 19 burden that they used to have will be lifted a 20 little bit, and their burden is primarily finance 21 instead of trying to do both internal audit and 22 accounting for that. 23 And then the development part is 24 about bringing in a plan, a writer, grant writer 25 if you will, who supervises program areas and 56 1 maybe helps assist with contracting consultants to 2 do grant writing for us. So we have consultants 3 who are doing several things, whether it's 4 educational, health related, infrastructure or 5 governmental programs, sewage, EPA-type stuff. 6 There's a lot of consultants who writes grants for 7 us, and this planner will help do the research on 8 those numbers. 9 We need numbers, ladies and 10 gentlemen, demographics. Our age ranges, our 11 living standards, our health standards, our 12 employment standards. We've got to have these 13 numbers in a database, and these numbers help us 14 to go for certain grants that tell us these 15 numbers say we need these needs. This survey 16 tells us this need is needed, and here's the 17 number of people that did it, here's the 18 documentation for it, we're applying for this 19 grant for this need. 20 We've never had this since the early 21 '80s. We've got to get back to that. We've got 22 to be proactive in achieving grants and funding 23 resources other than just our gaming dollars. 24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Are you saying 25 this is one position or two? 57 1 MR. BURGESS: There will be three 2 positions announced, planner, budget analyst and 3 facilitator. 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: We've already 5 got our budget approved, so where are you going to 6 fund these three positions? 7 MR. BURGESS: They come out of our 8 indirect cost rate. 9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: They are a 10 line item, indirect cost. 11 MR. BURGESS: Indirect cost, yes. 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Indirect cost 13 is also an approved budget, so is there a 14 compliance officer on indirect costs, is there a 15 development officer, is there a planning officer? 16 MR. BURGESS: Yes, effective October 17 1. 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Okay, that's 19 what I'm saying. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Listed in the 21 budget there will be the indirect budget. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: That's a planner, 23 budget analyst and a grant writer? 24 MR. BURGESS: The planner will 25 supervise consultants to write those grants. That 58 1 way we don't bring a lot of people on board, just 2 start out with those three. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: These will be 4 advertised by qualification? 5 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 6 MR. WHITEWOLF: How will their 7 effectiveness be measured? 8 MR. BURGESS: It would come about in 9 progress. We're just getting started, and we need 10 to look at the job description and then set 11 parameters. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Performance 13 requirements will be part of the job description 14 as well. 15 MR. BURGESS: But we won't start with 16 a -- if we just need these three people, that's 17 fine, because we would prefer to use a lot of 18 consultants, consulting grant writers. Therefore, 19 we don't bring on a lot of overhead and stuff and 20 no room to place them. 21 MR. WHITEWOLF: Will they get a 22 percentage of who they bring in or what? 23 MR. BURGESS: That will be 24 negotiable, depending on the grant. Because a lot 25 of grants at $100,000 and under, it's better to 59 1 just do straight reimbursement for cost, at a 2 maximum of maybe 5 or $10,000, as opposed to 3 something that's a quarter million dollars or a 4 million dollar grant that they have to work out a 5 percentage. The contract will have to come here, 6 and then work that out here. 7 MR. MAHSEET: So moved, Mr. Chairman. 8 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 9 Mr. Mahseet. 10 MR. HENSON: Question. 11 MR. BURGESS: You have a question? 12 MR. HENSON: Is this going to include 13 all the Comanche Nation or just the tribal 14 employees? 15 THE COURT: Basically just the tribal 16 government side where we go for the grants and 17 all. 18 MR. HENSON: The other thing is, if 19 we're going to put this in place as a deterrent or 20 looking over the shoulders, then it needs to be 21 put in this resolution that they're going to 22 report to CBC, but they'll be tribal members. 23 MR. BURGESS: Tribal employees. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: It says direction of 25 the business committee through the office of the 60 1 chairman and coordinating through the office of 2 the tribal administrator. It's all there. 3 MR. HENSON: Yeah, I'll make a 4 second. 5 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Mahseet made the 6 motion, a second coming from Mr. Henson. All 7 those in favor signify by saying "aye." 8 (Aye.) 9 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 10 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 11 passes. 12 Yes, Thomas? 13 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: This is from 638, 14 this indirect cost that funds it, that resolution, 15 the Office of Compliance? 16 MR. BURGESS: Yes. All indirect, 17 yes. 18 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Okay, 638. Then 19 we're still at risk with 638 money and expect it 20 to be not at risk in January, is that the 21 prediction? 22 MR. BURGESS: We did send a 23 preliminary request in to remove us from high risk 24 status. A response came back there were still 25 some other items that were still outstanding. Our 61 1 information is in the mail back and forth. So BIA 2 has not caught up with us yet. The most recent 3 letter was about a week ago, and there were six 4 new items, contracts that we had responded to that 5 went to them. They hadn't received it by the time 6 they sent us our letter from them. So by January, 7 we assume that we should be off high risk status. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We hope so. 9 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: And then we're 10 supposed to get two-and-a-half million back from 11 unreimbursed money from 638 by December? 12 MR. BURGESS: As we answer the high 13 risk status and responded to those questions, some 14 of that money's being released slowly. I say one 15 item by item, not all at one time. 16 MR. NELSON: It's not one lump sum. 17 It's coming out of -- 18 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: And then our total 19 unreimbursed money that we lost from -- 20 unreimbursed from 638 was 18 million when we first 21 started out, something like that. I never did get 22 the figure. 23 MR. BURGESS: No, at one point in 24 time we had 638 dollars of 18 million back between 25 '97 and 2003, but it slowly dwindled because we 62 1 didn't continue items, and BIA reduced funds to 2 tribes slowly, five percent here, three percent 3 there. So those numbers all went down because the 4 Bureau's budget was going down. So we didn't lose 5 money because just of our actions, we lost money 6 because Congress didn't fully fund BIA at prior 7 levels. 8 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: But our total 9 unreimbursed was up there somewhere? 10 MR. BURGESS: Somewhere between 2.3 11 and 3 mill. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Not way up there. 13 MR. BURGESS: And it was money 14 withheld because of our high risk status, and as 15 we answered those status questions and responded 16 with the audits and the findings with 17 documentation, that money's being released to us. 18 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I remember we had 19 a lot of years we didn't have audits and was 20 catching up, and I don't know how many millions it 21 all added up to. 22 MR. BURGESS: Because of that, the 23 money was held back. Now it's being released to 24 us. 25 Next item Number 10, Resolution 63 1 163-09, these are the budgets of the Comanche 2 Nation Gaming Board and the budget of the Gaming 3 Commission. These budgets are approved jointly 4 here in one resolution, but they are separate 5 budgets that each division works under and with. 6 MR. WHITEWOLF: What's the amounts? 7 MR. BURGESS: The amount for the 8 Gaming Commission, because they've increased their 9 number of employees to 85, they have all of the 10 surveillance and about nine staff on the Gaming 11 Commission staff side, what was it Bob, 15.5? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This is the 13 Commission and this is the Board. 14 MR. BURGESS: Gaming Commission is 15 5.5 million operational costs, and the Gaming 16 Board is 1.2 million, operational costs for 11 17 employees. Is it 11, Mr. Codopony? 18 MR. ASEPERMY: That's Gaming Board, 19 he's Gaming Commission. I believe the Commission 20 has 85 employees. 21 MR. BURGESS: Yes, that's the number 22 we have. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Eight-five Gaming 24 Commission employees. 25 MR. CODOPONY: I've got a letter from 64 1 the Board, all I've got is their letter. It's 2 1,179,000 I think. Is that where you're -- 3 MR. BURGESS: No, it was adjusted on 4 recommendation because it was just a finite 20 or 5 $50 to round it up. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, anyway, they 7 had a staff person, that's why it went to 1.2 for 8 the Gaming Board. 9 MR. CODOPONY: Okay. Because the 10 number that I've got for the Gaming Commission is 11 4.9 million, $4,993,000, and the total number is 12 like 6. -- the Board and the Commission together 13 is 6. -- 14 MR. ASEPERMY: 6.173. 15 MR. CODOPONY: I missed that 16 adjustment on the Board side. 17 MR. BURGESS: We wanted to explain to 18 the community this cost structure. And you 19 operate separately, you're not all one body? 20 MR. CODOPONY: Correct. 21 MR. WHITEWOLF: Would you go over 22 those employees one more time? 23 MR. BURGESS: Eighty-five employees 24 at the Gaming Commission. That's all of 25 surveillance, and they've had to have an increase 65 1 because of the expansion areas and outdated 2 equipment. They're going to be purchasing new, is 3 it cameras, and other items that they need to keep 4 up-to-date. I'm assuming they've had to install 5 some technical equipment because of the new 6 computer system that's connecting everything. 7 They have to observe and be able to view that 8 themselves. So the cost is up there because of 9 due to technicalities. 10 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, may I make 11 a suggestion? I mean, we're looking at a 12 motion -- I'm not overstepping my bounds, but is 13 there a possibility they could serve the people 14 that show this in an actual flow chart? 15 Mr. Asepermy, he does ask them to put this into 16 the newsletter. 17 MR. BURGESS: That's coming out. 18 Since we're new fiscal year, we can start putting 19 that data together. 20 MR. NELSON: I know there's some 21 things that are confidential. 22 MR. BURGESS: They've asked it and 23 it's going to be done. Now this is the new fiscal 24 year, so we can get into doing that report and 25 explain to the people what actual responsibility 66 1 is going on. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: On the Gaming 3 Commission, the 4.9, just for your information, 4 with the number of employees being at 85, is that 5 correct? Probably close, 85 employees? 6 MR. CODOPONY: That's correct. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: The bulk of that, 2.6 8 million of it is for wages and fringe benefits, 9 2.9 million is for surveillance. Then you have 10 your other things like your office supplies, your 11 equipment, utilities, telephone, insurance, 12 professional services, meeting expenses, vehicle 13 expenses, travel, training. It just goes on and 14 on. Mr. Codopony, it has been suggested, right? 15 MR. CODOPONY: What we've done, and 16 just to inform the people at this meeting, this 17 in-depth budget has been reported to the CBC prior 18 to this meeting. They aren't just getting this 19 information cold. You can see the folder in his 20 hand. It's been in depth; and, again, salaries 21 and confidential stuff has already been addressed 22 at a previous meeting. 23 What you're suggesting is basically 24 what we discussed a couple of weeks ago in the gym 25 over there. You know, I was out there talking, we 67 1 showed the flow chart, we showed some other 2 things, and we have already talked to our 3 executive director about that. 4 One of the issues that popped up is 5 for us to have a closer working relationship with 6 the newsletter, because I think a lot of times 7 what we do is we send things down there and there 8 isn't an emphasis on it. It's up to the editors 9 of the newsletter to decide what they put on 10 there, and rather than us picking up the phone and 11 calling and saying, You know, we really think the 12 nation needs this run for informational purposes, 13 we just send it down there and leave it at their 14 discretion. If it gets bumped, it gets bumped. 15 The other thing we're talking about 16 at this point is taking a look at -- again, it's a 17 coordination issue on our side. It's a two-way 18 street and we've already put the -- had the 19 discussion, and we want to make sure that we want 20 to utilize our Website. We have a link on our 21 Website that talks about the Gaming Commission, 22 but, again, it's a static link. Once it's put in 23 there, that information doesn't change. We want 24 to put kind of like the stuff that we were going 25 to submit to the newsletter. We want new 68 1 information to go up every time we submit 2 something. So that point is well taken, and that 3 has been communicated to us by the CBC. 4 MR. NELSON: I would hope everybody 5 could emulate Mr. Dink Nauni. What he provides to 6 the nation is really good information, really 7 good. 8 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Beverly? 9 MS. ISAAC: At the meeting two weeks 10 ago, you know, there was a lot of people there 11 that got good information. But when you put it on 12 the Comanche Website, a lot of people don't get it 13 because they don't have computers. But it should 14 not be bumped when it goes to the newspaper. 15 That's very important. Because a lot of people 16 have questions about our finances, and if they 17 would go to the meetings, I don't understand 18 everything, but they could understand a little bit 19 more than, you know, just hearsay. 20 Because there's one person or site 21 that says we only had a meeting for 30 minutes. 22 That was erroneous, that was wrong. The meeting 23 lasted well over 30 minutes, and a lot of 24 information was put out there, so, you know -- 25 MR. BURGESS: We're going to take 69 1 care of that. We're going to be working on that 2 very heavily here now. 3 MRS. HENDRIX: I have a Gaming 4 Commission budget of 2007, and I don't know what's 5 so difficult about printing out something like 6 this, because it does have the expenses, Internet, 7 travel, and it does -- all it prints is like the 8 licensing department, how much is being paid, the 9 security department, how much is being paid, and 10 we were in the negative 929,000. 11 MR. BURGESS: That was in '07 when 12 poor planning was taking place. Let's go. We 13 want to develop a new -- 14 MRS. HENDRIX: I also have some 15 financial income statements also for the period of 16 November, November 30th, 2003, and it also gives 17 the same reports, but -- and I don't know why this 18 is such a confidential document when all it is is 19 giving out where our money is going and profits. 20 Because in 2003, our profit was 726,000. As of 21 that date, November 30th, we had year to date was 22 $1 million. What's the problem in the people 23 having this kind of information? 24 MR. BURGESS: Well, there's no 25 problem with that, Debbie, Mrs. Hendrix. That's 70 1 prior administration's choice to do that. And 2 even then, you know, that is a private business. 3 And when it gets out into the public world beyond 4 our borders, which is a hard thing to control, 5 vendors, other people come at us all the time 6 with, I got a deal for you and it won't cost you 7 anything. All of a sudden it cost us more than 8 half a million dollars just to listen to them. 9 MRS. HENDRIX: These are just actual 10 expenses. These are what is costing the Gaming 11 Commission and Gaming Board to run with the 12 expenses of the casino. Also, I have a 13 resolution. This is March of 2007, where the 14 business committee made a resolution to 15 investigate the money spent to our gaming 16 managers. Has that investigation been done? 17 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, I'm going 18 to ask you to just hold off on all of that, 19 because we are going to be talking in the future. 20 If you'll just relax, please. 21 MRS. HENDRIX: This has been since 22 2007 it hasn't been answered. 23 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, please, 24 let me help you. Let me help you. Please have a 25 seat. Okay? Let me help you. 71 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I would 2 like to add one thing. Oscar, during our joint 3 meetings with you all and the Gaming Board, we 4 have asked probably in the last nine months for 5 more transparency from your Commission, and I 6 think you can verify -- is there a Gaming Board 7 member here? I don't think so. We have asked 8 them to put these numbers out. We have asked 9 them. If you remember in July this past year, or 10 July -- was it July? The newspaper, there was two 11 pages on the Gaming Board that gave us our 12 revenues, gave us the whole nine yards. 13 During this meeting we had, if you 14 were present, there was 176 people present. The 15 Gaming Commission and the Gaming Board gave 16 reports, about as transparent as you can get, with 17 all the numbers. Why we haven't done that in the 18 past, I don't know. But y'all need to know, and 19 that's what we're trying to do. We have reminded 20 them over and over again, Oscar, almost to the 21 point of -- and they know. J.J., I think this 22 should be a priority for you to publish anything 23 that comes out of the Commission. 24 MS. SCONCHIN: Yes, it will be. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: We're not going to put 72 1 people's salaries down. We're going to give you 2 as detailed and as readable a report on our 3 commissions and our boards as possible and try to 4 be transparent. 5 MR. BURGESS: They've made that 6 statement, and because of finance we couldn't just 7 get it all done here recently. In fact, I would 8 like for us to do a bi-monthly report that comes 9 out in the newspaper's time. Yes, Sandra? 10 MS. GALLEGOS: Since there's no 11 person from the Gaming Board here, Oscar, could 12 you tell us again, what the purpose is of the 13 Gaming Board? 14 MR. CODOPONY: The Gaming Board is 15 the actual business end of our gaming operations. 16 MR. BURGESS: They're management 17 oversight. 18 MR. CODOPONY: They're management 19 oversight. What the Commission does, and what a 20 lot of people -- and we hit pretty hard on this a 21 couple of weeks ago. What a lot of our tribal 22 members don't understand, they think the 23 Commission runs the casinos. All the Commission 24 does is -- they mentioned this in the previous 25 resolution. They mentioned this Office of 73 1 Compliance and Development for the government 2 side. That's what the Commission's function is in 3 the gaming side. We look over the Board, we look 4 over the casino management's shoulders to make 5 sure that the moneys that they're making are 6 accounted for, and that they're sent in the proper 7 fashion to the government side and to the accounts 8 for the per cap payment. 9 So the Board, what their job is to 10 do, and there's a lot of -- again, there's a lot 11 of miscommunication or misunderstanding on the 12 public's part, our tribal public's part, is that 13 the Commission doesn't actually -- we're not the 14 guys that tell them who to hire. They decide who 15 to hire and who's going to make a good employee. 16 All we do is look into their background. That's 17 kind of a fine line. 18 So when people talk about customer 19 service and the right guy to greet you at the 20 door, the right guy to run the cage, those are all 21 management decisions that the Board makes and that 22 their employees make to staff the facility. All 23 we do is make sure they have the proper 24 credentials. So the Board's function is to 25 maximize the profit of the facilities. They're 74 1 the actual business manager, so to speak, of the 2 operation. 3 MS. GALLEGOS: I realize that. I 4 just wanted you to restate, because they maximize 5 the profits of the casinos. Well, I don't 6 understand why our Gaming Board of Directors have 7 to have fans, why they have to have their own 8 water. Because they're not a moneymaking entity, 9 correct? And this time, when everything, the 10 budgets are tight, I think that would be one area 11 where they could cut back on funds. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: The Gaming Board is a 13 moneymaking. They have provided us with millions 14 of dollars. 15 MRS. GALLEGOS: The Board themselves 16 doesn't make the money. 17 MR. BURGESS: If management wants to 18 promote our casinos in that manner at our fair, 19 that's the responsibility that they assume. 20 MRS. GALLEGOS: I could see that if 21 it says casino, Comanche Nation Casino, Red River 22 Casino, Spur Casino, but it says Comanche Nation 23 Board of Directors. To me, I see that as if the 24 CBC decided that they wanted to have their own 25 fans and their own water. All I'm saying is this 75 1 is one area where money could be cut back on. 2 Because what does it cost? A pallet 3 of water costs $500. At the fair, I seen these 4 bottles all over the place, half of them not 5 opened, half of them with a drink of water out of 6 them. So what I'm saying is, when you're trying 7 to cut back, our Board of Directors do not need to 8 advertise. 9 MS. ISAAC: If they want to spend 10 money someplace, buy the workers at the fair 11 T-shirts. We have nothing to show that we were 12 really volunteers in just our plain old everyday 13 clothes, but I didn't know that they were -- 14 MR. BURGESS: They should have given 15 you a volunteer T-shirt. I didn't even get one. 16 Yes, Thomas? 17 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: So we're promoting 18 Board of Directors? 19 MR. BURGESS: Let's go on. We need a 20 motion. 21 MR. NELSON: Bottom line, if you guys 22 could have used the United States government's 23 money and got some census dollars, you could have 24 promoted for free, which we did. 25 MR. BURGESS: Ladies and gentlemen, 76 1 we've all read Resolution Number 163-09. We've 2 explained the budget items. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion. 4 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 5 Mr. Tippeconnie. 6 MR. HENSON: I'll second it. 7 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mr. Henson. 8 All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 9 (Aye.) 10 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 11 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 12 MR. NARCOMEY: I vote no. The reason 13 I vote no is because I don't think they need that 14 much money to operate on. I think if it's kind of 15 a line item, it ought to be brought to a vote by 16 the people for that much money. 17 MR. BURGESS: Is it a line item? 18 MR. ASEPERMY: No. 19 MR. NARCOMEY: No, it's not a line 20 item, an operational cost. 21 MR. NELSON: I've got one question, 22 Mr. Chairman. Did you guys already take a vote? 23 Has the vote been taken? 24 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the question 77 1 anyway? 2 MR. NELSON: We took the 30 percent 3 cut through all central services to the people. 4 Even the Comanche Nation Fair took a cut, the 5 college took a cut. We all did. Will the Gaming 6 Board and the Gaming Commission take the same cut 7 if we fall into a budget crisis? 8 MR. CODOPONY: Mr. Chairman, the 9 Gaming Commission cut its budget by 30 percent 10 last March. 11 MR. NELSON: Good, thank you. Good, 12 I didn't know that. 13 MR. BURGESS: Vote's been taken, 14 motion has passed. 15 We have an addendum here, this 16 motion. Mr. Nelson here has a motion before us. 17 It's about our maintenance department. The motion 18 reads, "authorizing Comanche Nation Maintenance 19 staff to become a Bargain Service to the entire 20 Comanche Nation entities ... Allows the 21 Maintenance Department to recoup finances that in 22 the past had been the brunt of Complex Operations 23 Funding. All services will be established by a 24 request form from the different outlying Comanche 25 entities. All requests will have prior Tribal 78 1 Administrator approval before work is commenced. 2 Work performed will be invoiced on a 30 day 3 contingency, or 30 day, net 10 type thing? 4 MR. NELSON: Invoicing, right. 5 MR. BURGESS: All right. All 6 payments made to Comanche Nation Maintenance. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Do you have that 8 motion? 9 MR. BURGESS: There's a motion. Did 10 you get it? 11 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't have a copy of 12 it. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I thought I gave 14 you one. It's attached to the back of the housing 15 handout. 16 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Mr. Nelson, you 17 have the chalkboard. 18 MR. NELSON: Bottom line, complex 19 operations, the entire supreme governing body 20 votes on this. Sometimes what we do, we do go 21 into a big deficit. It just keeps going lower and 22 lower. We have community centers that have a 23 budget. We've got four. We've got Economic 24 Development. They'll go seek out a service. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Community centers, we 79 1 have three, don't we? 2 MR. NELSON: Yeah, community centers, 3 we have three. The bottom line is this: I mean, 4 when we're doing actual yard work -- we take 5 toilet paper, any essentials. You know, it's 6 coming really out of maintenance; bottom line, 7 maintenance. Our hustlers are just going down in 8 service. 9 Where's Pratt Wauqua? Pratt, every 10 one of our weedeaters, we contract it out, got a 11 three-bid process, we got a vendor here, fixed our 12 weedeaters. The bottom line is no money is coming 13 back to recoup this, no money. We've got all of 14 these entities out there, we utilize who? 15 Possibly a tivo vendor. 16 Our maintenance staff is probably one 17 of the most underpaid staff within all Comanche 18 Enterprises. That's a sad thing. Because some 19 have 22 years of tenured service, 30 years. We've 20 got a skeleton crew and we're trying to do the 21 best we can with what we've got. 22 What this would do, we render a 23 bargain service to you entities out there, be it 24 college, Delphine, community centers. All you 25 guys that have a budget, bottom line, we're coming 80 1 at you at cost. Why would we come at you at 2 cost? We invoice you, you pay us, we put it in 3 their coffer through the secretary-treasurer to 4 update our equipment. Possibly to raise the 5 standard of the, I would say, working poor of 6 maintenance. It's an ideology a lot of tribes 7 have adopted. 8 This staff was proactive in the 9 Anadarko tornado, did a lot of work. They were 10 proactive in every tornado, fire drill we've had. 11 They're proactive when we have an emergency here. 12 They're really the first point of contact. When 13 we had a kaku that fell down because of all the 14 rocks everywhere, it's always maintenance picking 15 them up. All this is, gentlemen, is just a small 16 effort, a small effort to bring moneys back into a 17 program that just always gets depleted. You know, 18 and we keep going with this. 19 Mike will probably, you know, explain 20 to the people about our 25 percent indirect, where 21 this won't be that way anymore. Maintenance is 22 almost self-sufficient. Bottom line, self- 23 sufficiency. 24 MR. HENSON: Willie, I don't like the 25 way this is worded, bargain service. 81 1 MR. NELSON: I didn't know how else 2 to sell it, gentlemen. 3 MR. HENSON: I think the motion could 4 be made that all purchases or all maintenance or 5 anything would have to go to the Comanche Nation 6 Maintenance staff. It would be a lot simpler. 7 And then something put out to all the tribe, 8 casinos and everything, what it covers, cars, 9 supplies. You know what I'm talking about? That 10 everybody should come back over and buy here. 11 MR. NELSON: In other words, we have 12 a procurement process. We have our own bids -- 13 MS. NELSON: We have our own 14 maintenance people. 15 MR. NELSON: There's properties out 16 there that we go and mow that belongs to somebody 17 we don't even know. 18 MS. NELSON: I don't know where 19 you're mowing at, but we have our own maintenance 20 people. Part of the justification at the water 21 park is what those guys do during the off season 22 is not only maintain the water park, the water 23 lines, but they maintain all of the entities of 24 Economic Development. They go to Cyril, they mow 25 the grass in Cyril, they care for the lawn at the 82 1 funeral home. So you're talking if we start 2 using -- 3 MR. NELSON: We'd make you an offer 4 you couldn't refuse. 5 MS. NELSON: No, you're talking about 6 three jobs that would be lost. 7 MR. HENSON: If I'm not mistaken, 8 what he's referring to is -- 9 MS. NELSON: If this is going to be a 10 mandatory thing. 11 MR. NELSON: No, ma'am, this is a 12 motion on the floor. 13 MR. HENSON: If I'm not mistaken, 14 what he's referring to is just to buy supplies and 15 the maintenance for cars, changing the oil, maybe 16 even a light tune up or something like that. We 17 have over 85 cars in the tribe. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Our maintenance 19 doesn't do that, do they? 20 MR. HENSON: We have no control over 21 that, no control. We don't even know what's 22 happening to those cars. 23 MR. NELSON: That's something 24 different all together. That's transportation. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Willie, are you 83 1 saying, for example, the Shoshone Reunion, after 2 it was completed, you had maintenance go in there, 3 stack the chairs, sweep the floors, that your 4 maintenance department should have charged the 5 Shoshone Reunion? 6 MR. NELSON: Bottom line, the TA was 7 cleaning up after the reunion. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: I know that, I saw 9 you. I even helped you with one chair. But are 10 you saying that our maintenance should charge the 11 Shoshone Reunion for cleaning it up for them? 12 MR. NELSON: Bottom line, there's so 13 many people with budgets. We've got a maintenance 14 crew that's just paid slave wages, bottom line. 15 It's awful, it's terrible. Then when we come 16 back, we're always going to -- hold on, 17 Ms. Nelson. We're always going back to complex 18 operations, and all of our equipment, be it even 19 our essentials, guys, we've got all these other 20 entities coming and grabbing toilet paper, paper 21 towels, needing liquid soap, needing this. You 22 know why? Because we're the Comanche Nation 23 Complex? No, I say no. Enough is enough. This 24 is -- it's like we got the storehouse here, but 25 we're getting raided by people that have budgets, 84 1 and it shouldn't happen that way. It should not 2 happen. 3 MS. NELSON: Every budget pays an 4 indirect cost. 5 MR. NELSON: I don't think so. 6 MS. NELSON: Indirect cost is for 7 complex operations, which is a part of 8 maintenance, finance, property and procurement. 9 That's part of indirect costs. 10 MR. NELSON: Bottom line is we know 11 what the actual complex operation's deficit is 12 every year, and we know where it comes. 13 MS. NELSON: That's not on the gaming 14 side. That's on the federal side. 15 MR. HENSON: That doesn't include 16 cars. This is just the maintenance part? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Willie, I've read 18 these four times, and I don't understand it, so I 19 can't vote on it. 20 MR. NELSON: Guys, look it over, mull 21 it over. Please add your additions, admissions. 22 Bottom line, it's just been an operation that's 23 been overlooked. 24 MR. MAHSEET: I make a motion to 25 table. 85 1 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 2 MR. HENSON: Second. 3 MR. BURGESS: We have a motion to 4 table. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mr. Mahseet? 6 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Mahseet. 7 MS. ISAAC: There's been plenty of 8 times, like with our Elders dinner, Christmas 9 dinner, we've had to come in, we've had to clean 10 that whole gym, and it was trashy. Just before 11 the Shoshone Reunion, that whole gym was dirty. 12 Now, where's the maintenance that cleaned it 13 before we even started our Shoshone Reunion? You 14 know, the maintenance is there to do their job, 15 they need to do their job. I mean, I see -- I 16 want to get a lawn mower, I want to get a -- I 17 just want to get out there and do that yard 18 myself. The maintenance needs to do their job 19 here at the complex and make it look good when we 20 have visitors. 21 We had to pick up trash the night 22 before the Shoshone Reunion started, trash bags in 23 the front of the gym. We had to do -- I mean, we 24 need to be proud when people come to visit us. 25 The maintenance needs to do their job before 86 1 anything even begins. 2 MR. NELSON: How would you like to be 3 working for your nation for 12 years and you never 4 got one raise? 5 MS. ISAAC: That's not my problem. 6 MR. NELSON: Bottom line, you get 7 what you pay for. 8 MR. BURGESS: Before we go any 9 further, and sticking to our agenda, ladies and 10 gentlemen, our employees are very proud to be 11 here. A lot of the employees have always looked 12 forward -- they may have had some consternation 13 before those events, but what I recall when it was 14 over with and all the good comments came forward, 15 that was good PR. A lot of employees came earlier 16 than they were supposed to to help do things and 17 sometimes wanted to do things. I came in late in 18 the game, Bunky and I, not at the front of 19 everything, planning, and it's -- as a manager, it 20 should not be a habit to come in and change 21 everything just because you're the manager now. 22 Things are set in motion, objectives are set, 23 goals are set, and people know what they're 24 doing. 25 As a manager coming in, you should be 87 1 working with those goals and objectives. If you 2 have to tweak something to meet budgets, time 3 lines, meet staffing concerns, that's what you 4 should do as a manager, because these people have 5 been doing it for a while. They know what goes on 6 and are happy to do it and get recognition for it. 7 So granted, our employees didn't get 8 on the stick this time, but next year, not just 9 the reunion, the fair, they always helped out. 10 They were always called upon as volunteers, as 11 well as paid employees. That's why we do Fridays, 12 they come out and help do the final setup. We had 13 them involved on the weekends. A lot of them 14 came, happy to do it. Monday, we fed them and let 15 them go home early and said thank you. We can't 16 always give them a lot of pay, we can't always 17 give them days off, but the recognition they got 18 from being a part of the fair was very important 19 to many of them. That's what we'll try to 20 continue. 21 So when we have the next event, we're 22 always going to try to have our maintenance doing 23 that. So it probably means we have to schedule. 24 Maintenance will rotate their times to come in 25 early, some of them come in later to help do the 88 1 cleanup, if necessary. Because there was always 2 that concern: Is the gym going to be clean when I 3 get it and do I have to clean it up afterwards? 4 That's why the fees at all the community centers 5 were to help for cleanup and to reimburse cost for 6 time for these people that volunteered to come do 7 that. So we're going to have to continue with 8 that. 9 I just want you to know it's very 10 positive what we're trying to do, but this has to 11 be further discussed in our atmosphere, perhaps 12 here at the office with the CBC and yourself, 13 Mr. Nelson, to go forward with that. 14 MR. WHITEWOLF: But as a tribal 15 member, I think it's because you've got volunteers 16 that's working for this fair, why should the 17 professionals, why should they shut down? You 18 know, like Friday, y'all weren't doing anything, 19 Monday y'all weren't doing anything. People still 20 need services, and y'all shut those offices down 21 so they can go clean up. 22 MR. BURGESS: And Friday it was at 23 discretion of directors, and Monday we wanted to 24 reward all those employees after we fed them. 25 MR. NELSON: Every program had a warm 89 1 body. 2 MR. WHITEWOLF: There was supposed to 3 be somebody -- 4 MR. HENSON: The programs weren't 5 shut down. They were being operated. 6 MR. WHITEWOLF: Someone was taking a 7 little time off, then, because I tried to contact 8 all of you and couldn't do it. 9 MR. HENSON: Which one did you try to 10 contact? 11 MR. MAHSEET: Moving on. 12 MR. BURGESS: Motion to table by 13 Mr. Mahseet, second by Mr. Henson. All those in 14 favor signify by saying "aye." 15 (Aye.) 16 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 17 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 18 tabled. 19 We're going to take a 10-minute break 20 here. 21 MS. AITSON: I'm going to say 22 something. We spend money on this, spend money on 23 that. You guys are always spending money, but why 24 don't you get three mics up there. Because, you 25 know, some of you have very soft voices, which is 90 1 good, but we can't hear you. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Nelson, can you 3 take care of that, microphones? 4 MR. BURGESS: All right. 5 Mr. Poahway? 6 MR. POAHWAY: Mr. Chairman, I would 7 just like to have a -- say a little comment here 8 about the maintenance crews. I'm here every day, 9 some of y'all know that. Since I'm retired, I've 10 come up here every day and visit with Joe in the 11 restaurant, visit with some of the employees. I 12 know for a fact that these maintenance people do a 13 good job. They're always working. I observe, I 14 watch them. I think they do a pretty good job up 15 here, you know. And even though, you know, some 16 of them worked over the weekend, there were still 17 some here Monday, you know, working. And they 18 weren't all off, you know, but I think they did a 19 very good -- I think it's not right that these 20 people haven't had a raise, even a quarter raise, 21 you know. As high as things are getting and being 22 here for all these years and still making -- 23 MR. BURGESS: Keep it down, please. 24 Keep it down, please. We have somebody speaking. 25 MR. POAHWAY: Making the old minimum 91 1 wage, you know, it's hard for them to live. You 2 know, I think y'all need to think about that. 3 These people have kids and they have rent, they 4 have utilities, they have to buy groceries, too. 5 And y'all need to consider giving these people 6 some kind of raise. 7 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Aren't we working 8 on a pay scale that's going to take that into 9 consideration? That's being worked on right now 10 and we're going to bring that forward whenever we 11 get it ready. 12 MR. POAHWAY: That's all I have to 13 say. 14 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, sir. 15 Break time. Ten-minute break. We'll 16 come back now at 12:04. 17 (Break held from 11:54 a.m. to 18 12:12 p.m.) 19 MR. BURGESS: Next on our agenda, 20 after new and old business, we have the Comanche 21 Nation Fair report, Ms. Delphine Nelson. 22 MS. NELSON: I just wanted to give a 23 brief report. We are still in the process of 24 paying some bills from the fair, and we will 25 present a full financial report at the next CBC 92 1 meeting, as well as we're going to compile a 2 report on comments, requests, complaints that we 3 had for the fair. We'll compile that report and 4 present it at the next CBC meeting. 5 But one of the things that I wanted 6 to do was a lot of people in this room volunteered 7 their time all weekend, and we really appreciate 8 that. We had people who drove carts, parking, 9 security; I mean, all the things that go into 10 making the fair a success. I feel like it was a 11 success. We got an initial report, and it looks 12 like we had about 90,000 people over the weekend, 13 just from the car counters we had out. I 14 especially want to thank Clyde for allowing us to 15 use that extra space. By Friday morning, that 16 extra space for camping was filled, and we also 17 had a place for the vendors to park. Parking is 18 always a major issue with the fair. 19 One of the things that I wanted to 20 present to the CBC, because the fund-raisers and 21 everything that's involved with the fair, we got a 22 late start last year, kind of an impromptu 23 committee. Maybe the CBC may want to consider who 24 they want to appoint or assign to the fair, you 25 know, as a committee. Because we were kind of an 93 1 ad hoc committee, came for different reasons and 2 ended up being the fair committee. You may, you 3 know, see if you want to continue with the 4 committee that's in place or if you want to 5 appointment somebody else. 6 The other thing to consider and throw 7 it out to the people, we're running out of room. 8 We have no room here. Traffic was a major issue. 9 If we continue to have over 500 camps, we just 10 have no room here at the complex. Maybe a change 11 of venue if there's another place, but we just 12 have no room here. We had some traffic accidents 13 because we never used to have camping by the bull 14 pen because it interfered with the carts and 15 transporting people. We have camping there now. 16 They're camping at food distribution. So cars are 17 interfering with the carts. 18 Getting people to the arena was 19 somewhat of a problem. If you're going to have 20 complaints on the fair, it's going to be the 21 carts. They do the best they can, but people need 22 to understand those people are all volunteers. 23 Those people come out and some of them are working 24 12 and 15 hours driving the carts to get people 25 from the parking to the arena or to the carnival. 94 1 The other thing is, this was the last 2 year with our contract with the carnival. It was 3 instituted that gaming would pay for the carnival 4 so that it could be free to all the kids. Because 5 if it's not paid for, then they have to charge, 6 and the kids miss out because basically they can 7 only afford to buy a bracelet for one night. So 8 this was our last year on that contract. Talked 9 to gaming. They're questioning whether they will 10 renew the contract or not. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: How much was the 12 contract? 13 MS. NELSON: 25,000. It's 25,000 for 14 the carnival to come. That means that all the 15 kids get to ride free all three nights. 16 MR. HENSON: You say this is the last 17 year. How many years did they have it? 18 MS. NELSON: Five years. 19 MR. HENSON: And it was $25,000 a 20 year? 21 MS. NELSON: Yes. Before, when we 22 had the carnival, they would come in and set up, 23 but they would charge for everything; then we 24 would get five percent of the profits. Well, it 25 really wasn't that much of a profit, because not 95 1 that many people could utilize the carnival three 2 nights. $25 was the cost of a bracelet to ride 3 all the rides, so that was the other thing. 4 And if anyone has any comments or 5 requests, put them in writing and submit them to 6 Tomah so that we can compile them with the 7 report. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: How many campers? 9 MS. NELSON: We had about 500. We 10 gave out 500 rations to 500 registered campers. 11 MR. BURGESS: Was that daily or -- 12 MS. NELSON: One day. We gave out 13 rations only on Saturday. 14 MR. BURGESS: Did we have to buy 15 rations or was some of that donated? 16 MS. NELSON: We bought them. It was 17 $5,500 for the rations. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: How much? 19 MS. NELSON: $5,500. 20 MR. NELSON: The buffalo program 21 provided buffalo, and the Shoshone Reunion had 22 some items they donated to the fair, too. 23 MS. NELSON: And that's basically 24 what I wanted to just report on today, and to see 25 if anybody had any questions or comments. 96 1 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Poahway had a 2 statement. 3 MR. POAHWAY: Mr. Chairman, paying 4 that carnival $25,000 a year to come out here, as 5 bad as the economy is, and I'm sure it's not going 6 to get any better, I think $25,000 is too high to 7 pay that carnival. If they don't want it, there's 8 more carnivals out there that are willing to come 9 out and do something like that. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Delphine, what would 11 have been the cost if we gave our Comanche 12 children a bracelet? 13 MS. NELSON: Well, in the years past, 14 Social Services and ICW had purchased bracelets 15 for one night, and I believe that they each 16 purchased 200 apiece, which came, you know, 200 17 times 25. So that would have been 400 times 25, 18 but that was one of the main things people had 19 requested, was that the carnival be free. 20 MR. BURGESS: For the children. How 21 about adults, what was the breakdown? 22 MS. NELSON: There was no rides for 23 the adults. 24 MR. BURGESS: So everything was just 25 for children? 97 1 MS. NELSON: Thirteen and under was 2 what we looked at. 3 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Chairman, with the 4 bracelets for one night, the cost would have been 5 approximately $10,000, but I know that some of the 6 children were there Friday night, Saturday night, 7 Sunday night. 8 MS. NELSON: Yeah, they got to enjoy 9 it all three nights. 10 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Ms. Aitson? 11 MS. AITSON: I think that that's a 12 good deal. I don't think it's too much, because 13 those bracelets, I know, you know, were just for 14 one night, and there were a lot of children that 15 did not get, you know -- didn't get to use that; 16 and this way, they got to ride every night. When 17 you got grandchildren, you know, that costs a 18 lot. I only had two, but there's a lot out here 19 who have four and five, and that will run you good 20 money if you have to buy those bracelets. 21 MR. BURGESS: Okay. As she was 22 saying, put your comments down in writing, because 23 not only will they come back together and give a 24 report that we, the CBC, will have to make a 25 decision on next year's fair carnival. We'll have 98 1 to sign a contract in place, probably a multiple 2 year contract, but we'll need to seek out groups 3 if we're going to continue that. 4 Yes, Beverly? 5 MS. ISAAC: Driving the carts back 6 and forth, the people had questions, and a lot of 7 the white people, it's the first time they'd been 8 here, and the black people. They are wanting to 9 know how much it costs to camp. So they are 10 starting to want -- I didn't encourage them, but 11 they do want to -- it's going to get bigger. 12 MR. BURGESS: That's been known here 13 for a while. 14 Yes, Vern? 15 MR. GRIFFIN: If we keep it here, 16 we're still going to have to make some significant 17 infrastructure upgrades. The electrical power we 18 had problems with out there for the vendors. 19 There's still no shower facilities for people who 20 like to shower. We're renting lights every year 21 at significant cost. We can probably put up 22 lights. So these are the type of things that if 23 we're going to continue to keep it here, we need 24 to look at. 25 We also had several serious injuries 99 1 because of our grounds. There's holes, and they 2 were found. We went out there and tried to fill 3 as many as we could before the fair, but they 4 found them. 5 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Mr. Pratt? 6 MR. PRATT: Back on what he's talking 7 about, when you start the program up, why do you 8 start about a month or two weeks before the fair 9 begins? You should start raising money all during 10 the year. 11 MS. NELSON: Well, we did. 12 MR. PRATT: To get this done. 13 And another thing, when you pay them 14 25,000 for that carnival coming out that's 15 benefiting our kids, and you put $10 million and 16 $8 million in the casino, there ain't none of 17 these people benefits from it, but that casino is 18 looking good. They say don't judge a book by its 19 cover. You know, the casino looks good, but the 20 Apaches and everything are taking people away from 21 there. Why? Because our management is not good 22 enough. So we pay that, but we don't benefit from 23 it. So what's $25,000 that we're going to give 24 for the kids? 25 Another one, what's the gross amount 100 1 that the fair made here? 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, that's what she's 3 saying. Next month she'll have a report to the 4 CBC. 5 MS. NELSON: You'll have a full 6 report. What I can tell you is last year it cost 7 $167,000. Of that, the Fair Committee raised 8 $60,000. 9 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: What are the 10 opportunities for revenue at the fair? I 11 understand we had -- did we monopolize the soda? 12 MS. NELSON: Yes. 13 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: There were two, 14 and the vendors couldn't carry that. 15 MS. NELSON: We had -- we, the 16 committee, made money off of charging the vendors, 17 the food vendors, the arts and craft vendors, we 18 had the Coke trucks and had the exclusive on 19 selling the Cokes and sodas and water. Other than 20 that, we had fund-raisers throughout the year. We 21 had two powwows, we had the silent auction, we had 22 the golf tournament. Those were all part of the 23 fund-raisers that the Fair Committee put 24 together. 25 The golf tournament was the most 101 1 successful. We did hold that at Fort Sill golf 2 course, and we raised $5,000 at the golf 3 tournament, and all that will be included. Both 4 of the powwows together, we raised about $2,000. 5 There was a taco sale at the Elderly Center, all 6 the proceeds went and they made about $1,000. So 7 throughout the year we do hold fund-raisers, and 8 we've been holding them since January. But since 9 everything at the fair is free, there's no other 10 -- softball tournament, they did get sponsors. 11 That's what we depend on. Anyone who has an 12 event, such as the horseshoe tournament, softball 13 tournament; three-on-three, youth program got 14 sponsors for that, which buys the T-shirts for the 15 three-on-three. 16 Softball tournament, they got -- they 17 charged an entry fee for their team, I think it 18 was $50 a team, so that they could provide 19 T-shirts and trophies. But, otherwise, all the 20 other events are free at the fair. We did get our 21 vendors up. Hobbs, Straus donated, our insurance 22 company donated, John Harrington donated, and all 23 of these people donated moneys to the fair. 24 So we do hit up our vendors. We sell 25 ads to them for the booklet. In the booklet, we 102 1 did sell ads. All of those proceeds go to put on 2 the fair. 3 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: And you had 4 T-shirt sales, also? 5 MS. NELSON: Yes, T-shirt sales, 6 program sales. 7 MR. BURGESS: But we didn't have 8 enough 50/50? 9 MS. NELSON: I was the only one 10 selling tickets. 11 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Asepermy and then 12 Beverly. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: I want to mention that 14 initially until 9/11 we used Fort Sill, which was 15 a nice area out there. We do have two large 16 parcels of land, one is the Dodd property, but 17 it's out in the woods, but it's no farther than 18 Craterville Park. But there's no water, there's 19 no lighting. And then we have the Felton Dean 20 property, which is approximately five miles south 21 of Lee Boulevard and 67th Street. It has water, 22 it has a permanent building, it has lighting. 23 It's not in trust, though, is it? 24 MS. NELSON: No. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Those are two 103 1 options. We are negotiating for the Narcomey 2 land, which is how many acres, Clyde? 3 MR. NARCOMEY: Sixty-four. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Sixty-four acres. We 5 also sent a feeler out to the Bigbow family. And 6 how many acres is that, just west -- 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Eighteen. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: If we can secure one 9 of those properties, there's a possibility that 10 the fair can move west, or it can move south, or 11 it can move to Felton Dean, or it can move to the 12 Dodd property. Those are just different things 13 that we look at. But you're right, we have 14 outgrown it. 15 MR. BURGESS: Or we can move to an 16 event center. 17 MR. POAHWAY: What about the 18 Yackeyonny property, is it big enough? 19 MS. NELSON: It's 90 acres. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Where is that? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's in Cache. 22 MR. POAHWAY: And there's water out 23 there, there's electricity and everything else. 24 You know, it's feasible. 25 MS. NELSON: Whatever decision the 104 1 business committee makes on the fair, if they 2 decide to keep the committee that's in place or a 3 new committee, those things, such as the fund- 4 raisers and the discussion to move or improve the 5 infrastructure here, need to be started in order 6 to be ready for next year. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: It would be nice if we 8 had input from the nation. Give us your ideas. 9 You know, I just threw four properties and Jarvis 10 threw a fifth property out that's 90 acres that's 11 located as you come out of Cache going into the 12 Wichita Mountains. It's that property on the west 13 side. It's 90 acres. 14 MR. POAHWAY: And it can all be 15 developed into fair, fair property. 16 MR. BURGESS: Folks, just wait right 17 there, Delphine. Just to give y'all an update on 18 the Shoshone report, they met the other night, I 19 met with them, and what they're going to do is 20 compile their report and bring in a lot of those 21 people who are here that volunteered. They're 22 offering to give them -- they want to feed their 23 volunteers and at that time have an input and 24 critique session from all the volunteers, then 25 they would come back to us in November and have 105 1 the same report. 2 So I don't know if you can, if the 3 Fair Committee, with its financials, can get back 4 with us next week or the week after, the 16th, and 5 establish that same kind of rapport with some of 6 the vendors, cart drivers, some of your people who 7 assisted. Because if you have a general meeting 8 with them to do the critique session, information, 9 ideas and thought, then turn and -- and have a 10 report meeting, finalize and feed all the vendors 11 if you can, and you can have it in the gym if you 12 want to, so everybody understands what we're 13 saying. 14 One of the things, ladies and 15 gentlemen, for those of you who say I'm not 16 keeping my promise, my promise to keep you 17 informed, but that promise also means you get to 18 come up, stand up and talk about these issues, 19 these things that take place in the community. 20 Having these forums for you for this discussion 21 and get your input, so that you know what we're 22 trying to do for you, because you get to stand up 23 and speak. Those of you who are volunteers, those 24 of you who worked on committees or subcommittees, 25 like the Shoshone group. They, too, have an idea 106 1 about what to do next year and the year after 2 that. 3 It's not just us who have all the 4 ideas, just us who have requirements to report to 5 you. Requirements are to be responsible with your 6 moneys, and that's what you're talking about here 7 when you ask a question about gaming or the Gaming 8 Board or what we're doing when we pay money to 9 this membership. So I'm leaving it out to you 10 here that this is a time for you to come to these 11 meetings and get involved and give ideas. Not 12 everybody's ideas are going to be accepted, my 13 ideas aren't always accepted. That's the whole 14 idea of these little meetings that we're going to 15 have. 16 Now, we've got the report here. Is 17 there any more, Delphine? 18 MS. NELSON: That's all I had. Just 19 thanking everybody for coming out and supporting 20 the fair. I think it was a success, as it has 21 been in the past, and really appreciate 22 everybody's input, everybody's help, whether it 23 was a piece of trash or whether it was driving a 24 cart or selling tickets, participating as a dancer 25 in the powwow. Everybody's help was appreciated. 107 1 MR. HENSON: Was any of those Thunder 2 tickets sold? 3 MS. NELSON: No, we never had the 4 opportunity. Like I said, I was the only one 5 selling raffle tickets. 6 MR. BURGESS: Beverly, you had a 7 statement? 8 MS. ISAAC: I have a suggestion for 9 Delphine. I really want the fair to stay here, 10 but it would be up to the majority of the people. 11 But I want to thank Delphine for everything she's 12 done. And the suggestion would be, you know, 13 because you do have to work hard during the fair, 14 why not $5 per camp to offset, to provide a lunch 15 to feed the crowd or whatever. I mean, that's not 16 too much for all of us, $5. Get them used to it 17 for next year. 18 MR. BURGESS: That's an idea. Let 19 the committee come forward, your review and 20 critique. 21 MS. AITSON: Mike, I'd like to say 22 something. Do we have to have that midnight run? 23 You know, some of us are getting too old. 24 MS. NELSON: You know, we have had 25 suggestions on that. We've had people suggest 108 1 lotteries, you know, and we have had people 2 suggest, well, just go out there and mark off a 20 3 by 20 space, and then draw for those places. Put 4 numbers on them and draw for those places. I 5 don't know that there would be a way that would 6 satisfy everyone as far as being fair. 7 MS. AITSON: I think it worked better 8 when they let us do that the next day. Remember 9 that one year? We came back the next morning, 10 because it's dark out there and there's no 11 lighting. You know, that was night. 12 MR. BURGESS: I got bumped out of my 13 campsite, too. 14 MRS. HENDRIX: We have some 15 Yackeyonny land in Cache and it's 94 acres. Where 16 is that? 17 MR. BURGESS: It's on the corner of 18 Cache Highway and the highway going into -- am I 19 right? 20 MR. POAHWAY: It's right behind the 21 station. 22 MRS. HENDRIX: Is there not any water 23 or anything there? Would that not be suitable 24 for -- 25 MR. BURGESS: There might be a county 109 1 line there, I don't know. 2 MR. POAHWAY: We have water that 3 feeds the station over there, and they would be 4 more than willing to put meters out there. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They have it on a 6 well. There's no water. 7 MR. POAHWAY: No, there is. 8 MRS. HENDRIX: Y'all were throwing 9 out land a while ago and I looked up that, that 10 Yackeyonny land. 11 MS. NELSON: If it is moved, that 12 Yackeyonny land, the infrastructure would have to 13 be built. 14 MR. BURGESS: We would have to have a 15 couple of items here from the police department 16 and our own internal maintenance here. We need to 17 know the approximate water that would be 18 required. We'd have to do a whole layout, the 19 campground, water line. And I do admit to you all 20 I didn't like the midnight run for a lot of folks 21 for a lot of reasons. I didn't like the way the 22 camps were arranged, basically because there was 23 no access to your camp in some places. So if we 24 do campsites, it's going to have to be laid out 25 military-style, one line at a time, open areas, 110 1 carts and all that. 2 MR. POAHWAY: Fire lanes. 3 MR. BURGESS: Fire lanes and then 4 parking lanes so that we don't have these 5 arguments about this is my parking spot here, and 6 they put a camp here and I can't park near my 7 camp. But I'm saying we need to figure out this, 8 and if we go into a new place, let's have a plan. 9 That's why we have to have logistics here and plan 10 all this out year after year. This is not a 11 traditional thing, basically. I know we go 12 someplace and we always got our name there, we 13 always got our campsite. So we may end up doing 14 by lot sales, 40 by 60 areas, and that's it. 15 MR. POAHWAY: I can do plans. I can 16 do the complete plans. 17 MR. BURGESS: Well, you can get on a 18 committee, then. 19 MR. POAHWAY: Parking and everything 20 else. 21 MR. BURGESS: We all vote that you're 22 a part of the committee. Don't go anywhere. 23 MS. NELSON: Keep in mind the pole 24 that sits in the middle of the arena, that's an 25 $8,000 pole, not including the lights. 111 1 MR. BURGESS: Don't have to have that 2 kind of pole, though, we can get some trees. 3 MS. NELSON: Just keep in mind that 4 there's things that people don't see that cost, 5 like electricity for that three days, and I'm sure 6 Mr. Nelson will bill us on that. Ran us about 7 $8,000 last year. 8 MR. GRIFFIN: And every year we've 9 done an upgrade on the electrical, but each year 10 the vendors come in with more requirements. 11 MR. NELSON: More hookups. 12 MS. NELSON: We limit it, too. You 13 know, we limit it to eight food vendors because of 14 the 220. And we have to limit it to 50 arts and 15 crafts, so that they can have light at night in 16 the arena. So those are limitations. 17 MR. BURGESS: I'm going to limit you 18 now. Thank you, appreciate it. 19 Folks, Mr. Tippeconnie brought it to 20 my attention, those of you who didn't know it, 21 Mr. Reeves Nahwooksy was with us at the inception 22 of our Shoshone Reunion, and then his son, when I 23 was on the CBC back in '01 when we first brought 24 the reunion here, Fred had been involved from the 25 very beginning with many of us on the CBC, 112 1 Mr. Southard, Mr. Henry, Mr. Tahhahwah, and we 2 went forward, and we continue to have that 3 relationship now. My personal opinion, it's a 4 very good relationship with these other tribes and 5 the nations. He passed away last night. He had a 6 massive stroke the night before, Fred Nahwooks. I 7 mean, we say Nahwooksy the English way, but the 8 old word is Nahwooks. So Bob's asked for at least 9 a moment of silence. So let's just have a minute 10 of silence here on his life. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: He was in Tennessee. 12 MR. BURGESS: He was in Tennessee at 13 the time traveling, and he was working for the 14 National Museum of American Indians, so thankfully 15 he's covered with some insurance and the tribe. 16 Our funeral home has been notified, and they're on 17 standby with whatever desires the family has. 18 Susan is out there bringing home some of his 19 personal belongings that were with him, and 20 they'll be going through some more days of 21 responsibilities with him. So probably no earlier 22 than Wednesday or Thursday that we'd have the 23 funeral. So those of you, please watch for that. 24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How old was 25 he? 113 1 MR. BURGESS: He must have been 55, 2 56. 3 MR. BIGBEE: Fifty-three. 4 MR. BURGESS: Massive stroke. So 5 thank you very much, all of you. That's why I 6 spoke up on the reunion, what they're doing. 7 They'll have a full report to us next month. 8 We'll move onto to Outreach, Item 9 Number 3 under new and old business. Comanche 10 Nation Outreach Center and the funeral home, new 11 building an satellite office. 12 MR. NELSON: That was Mr. Norman 13 Nauni, and he was wanting to make sure you guys 14 had the completed inventory. The nation's had a 15 complete inventory, we've capitalized, depreciated 16 every building within the Comanche Nation. So 17 this is a first. This has been done, this is 18 monumental. It's actually gotten done, 100 19 percent. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Not 100, not yet. The 21 college. 22 MR. NELSON: All right, guys. You 23 guys don't recognize this lady here, this is 24 Vidella Franklin. She is the Outreach director in 25 Anadarko. Vidella is at a loss for words, 114 1 gentlemen. Bottom line, we've outgrown our 2 Outreach Center in Anadarko. We got an actual 3 landlord up there that's kind of become a 4 slumlord. That's what's happened. We've got an 5 old building, he wants to increase our rent if he 6 makes the updates. I said, "Well, how does that 7 go? I thought if we had bad carpet, you'd just 8 replace it." Anyway, it's going south with the 9 place we've got right now. 10 So this new building location, 125 11 West Main, Anadarko, Oklahoma. Louie and I, we 12 were sitting there looking at it. Well, 13 Anadarko's gone downhill. We had a tornado go 14 through there, the oil boom's gone. Bottom line 15 is, this area where this is at, that price right 16 there, man, it was $700,000 back in the day of the 17 oil boom, and that was in '78. Now it's devalued 18 down to $210,000. 3600 square feet, sold at $50 19 per square foot. There's two vacant lots on the 20 west side, a lot of parking, a lot of help. We 21 had a lot of Comanches in Caddo County. The total 22 lot square feet is 5,750. 23 Now, there's a lot of uses. Right 24 now, we've got a young Comanche, Mr. Cable. 25 Mr. Cable came to me and Tippeconnie, we presented 115 1 it to the CBC about four months ago. The youth in 2 Anadarko are what we call high risk. There's 3 nothing to do in Dodge but get in trouble, get in 4 fights, get drunk. 5 Bottom line, Greg has got together 6 with the Wichitas, Caddos, Delawares, our tribe, 7 the Kiowa Tribe, seven tribes, plus all the ones 8 from up north that live in Anadarko, they had a 9 hand game of all youth, 18 and below, they had 10 over 200 participants. They're doing 11 unprecedented things. He's utilizing every 12 service he can. 13 Vidella has opened up her office for 14 Greg to try to work things out up there 15 culturally. They went to Indian City, put on 16 their own powwow, and it's pretty sad to see 17 somebody with that much energy having to caravan 18 all these youth, mainly at least half are 19 Comanche. They got a school bus, they got a 20 church bus, they got Indian cars. They're all 21 caravaning to all these places that they're going 22 to do. 23 Bottom line uses for the building, 24 Anadarko youth program, Anadarko meeting facility, 25 possibly a funeral satellite that you gentlemen 116 1 discussed, possibly. You know, we're just 2 throwing it out there. There's additional 3 parking. Basketball courts, room for expansion. 4 The nation could lease the additional space tied 5 in with the building if necessary. The yearly 6 lease at $9,120. That'd be, you know, 7 encompassing -- more or less we'd be owning a 8 block in Anadarko. 9 It's right downtown Anadarko. I 10 believe the building is probably 100 years old, 11 but it's a cinder block and brick structure. It 12 has a new metal roof. The inside does need some 13 renovation. We're looking at the renovations will 14 cost between 30 and 40,000. If you guys notice in 15 the gym, we proposed a price of 25,000. Heck, the 16 guys got that down to 18. Pretty good. Got a 17 good staff. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the current 19 rent where you're at, Vidella? 20 MS. FRANKLIN: It's 250, plus I pay 21 utilities. 22 MR. NELSON: No, it's not. It's 450. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Is it 450? 24 MR. NELSON: He wants to add another 25 150 just to get the carpet replaced. 117 1 MR. ASEPERMY: So it would go up to 2 600, and this would rent at 780 a month? 3 MR. NELSON: Right. A lot of room, a 4 lot of room. 5 MR. BURGESS: More space. 6 MR. HENSON: Willie, has our 7 environmental people went in there and checked 8 that building out? 9 MR. NELSON: I believe they had an 10 assessment done. Louie said the City had it 11 done. Everything's good. 12 MR. HENSON: No asbestos? 13 MR. NELSON: No. Louie put all this 14 together. You know, Louie's got great ideas. 15 We've got to purchase this thing, but we're 16 throwing it to you guys. The thing is, Vidella 17 needs a new home. Our people in Anadarko deserve 18 to be parking rather than right there by the 19 jail. You know, they're parking in the jail 20 parking lot right now. 21 So this is just ideas. Renovations 22 can be done by the CIV program, or Enterprises, or 23 an outsourced construction company. This right 24 here is -- what did he take a picture of? The 25 actual inside? 118 1 MS. FRANKLIN: It's out of order. 2 Number 12 shows you what it looks like in the 3 front. 4 MR. NELSON: If you guys recognize 5 Anadarko, they did put new light structures in 6 town, but nobody's living there. 7 MS. FRANKLIN: Number 11 will show 8 you that's the empty lot. There's two lots right 9 there. 10 MR. BURGESS: Is that across from 11 McKee's? 12 THE VIDEOGRAPHER: Catty-corner. 13 MR. NELSON: Catty-corner to 14 McKee's. That address is, once again, 125 West 15 Main. 16 MR. BURGESS: That used to be the 17 old -- isn't it? Is that the old -- 18 MR. NELSON: Yeah, the hardware store 19 that used to be there. 20 MS. FRANKLIN: It goes all the way 21 back, the whole building. 22 MR. BURGESS: It wasn't R.P.'s 23 Confectionery, is it? 24 MR. NELSON: No. 25 MR. HENSON: Is that one floor or two 119 1 floors? 2 MR. NELSON: I believe it is two 3 floors. There's a lot in the back. 4 MR. POAHWAY: Are those lots 25 by 5 140? 6 MR. NELSON: Pretty long. Most towns 7 in Oklahoma, they just built the face fronts all 8 the way back half the block. 9 MR. POAHWAY: So you got zero lot 10 lines on the building to the right? 11 MR. NELSON: Yeah, like you said, on 12 the right and the left. This is full vacant lots 13 to the left. We should put this thing in order. 14 MS. FRANKLIN: This is the back. 15 MR. NELSON: This the back end of it. 16 The reason we're presenting this to you, 17 gentlemen -- I don't know if we want to be 18 landowners in the middle of Anadarko. But go 19 ahead, Vidella, what's this? 20 MS. FRANKLIN: That part would be 21 where the funeral home would bring in their 22 clients and do what they're supposed to do. And 23 then -- I mean, they'd come in the back door, and 24 then right there on the right side, that can be 25 made into the funeral home. I mean, it's a whole 120 1 -- completely empty and we can renovate it, fix it 2 the way we want it. 3 MR. NELSON: I know you guys talked 4 about this in the past. 5 MS. FRANKLIN: There's times people 6 would have meetings there, and there's no place in 7 Anadarko that you could have a meeting and it 8 doesn't cost anything, especially after 6 9 o'clock. You've got to pay someplace, but where 10 if we get this building, you won't have to pay to 11 have a meeting there, and we could have meetings. 12 MR. NELSON: Like the Wichitas, 13 Caddos, Delawares all have their own. Let's say 14 you got the TAs coming together, KBC, CBC, WBC, 15 DDC, all these tribes, if you guys are going to 16 meet, we could be that hub right there downtown 17 Anadarko there. I don't know. They threw this at 18 me, and I said, Well, put it on a PowerPoint, and 19 here we go. Let's just show it to everybody. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Just for your 21 information, the Anadarko Outreach Center for the 22 month of September provided services for 92 tribal 23 members. And you want to compare that to our 24 social services for a month here? They provided 25 services for 198 people. So they did half, 121 1 approximately half of what our own social services 2 here. So is there a need? I'd say yes. Do we 3 have a population in Caddo County of Numunuu? It 4 is approximately -- you told me that number 5 before. 6 MR. NELSON: Thirty-three. But we've 7 been looking at the Elders showing -- we had the 8 Elders Consortium, 33 percent. Of course, it 9 encompasses Apache and Anadarko, but that's 33 10 percent of our Elders 60 and above are right there 11 in that county, Caddo County. 12 MS. FRANKLIN: I have clients that 13 come all the way from Hinton and Grace Point. 14 MR. NELSON: El Reno. 15 MS. FRANKLIN: El Reno, Binger, 16 Verdon. 17 MR. NELSON: They can never find 18 Norman, so they always go to Anadarko. We've got 19 folks from Oklahoma City that go to Anadarko. 20 MR. BURGESS: There's one question, 21 statement you brought up, referring to the funeral 22 home. Delphine, is the funeral home still looking 23 at a satellite service just to hold services and 24 do the burial in that town or area? 25 MS. NELSON: Yes. 122 1 MR. BURGESS: That's all you would 2 need it for? 3 MS. NELSON: Yeah, for a storefront. 4 Storefront to hold the services. 5 MR. BURGESS: Because they're talking 6 there's two vacant lots on the west side. Are 7 those lots the same size the building is? 8 MR. HENSON: Have you looked at city 9 codes? 10 MR. NELSON: Not yet. We're just 11 throwing this out there right now. 12 MS. NELSON: One of the things, I 13 haven't seen this building, and I just heard about 14 this today. There are a couple of other 15 properties in Anadarko which are for sale that may 16 be better suited for being an Outreach Center and 17 funeral home satellite. One is on the corner of 18 Broadway and Main, and the other is the old 19 Wal-Mart building. The old Wal-Mart building 20 right there when you're coming into Anadarko is 21 for sale. I know he originally wanted 1.2 million 22 for that whole building. He has come down to 23 500,000. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Are you talking about 25 that shopping center, that whole thing? 123 1 MS. NELSON: The whole thing. He 2 wants $500,000. It's got all the parking and 3 office space that you would want. 4 There's another one on Broadway and 5 Main that's twice the size of this, and he wants 6 $80,000. 7 MR. HENSON: Has it got parking and 8 all that in it? 9 MS. NELSON: It's two buildings this 10 size and he wants 80,000 for -- 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Are you sure on that 12 price? 13 MS. NELSON: Yes. 14 MR. NELSON: Bottom line on this -- 15 thank you, Delphine, for trying to shoot us in the 16 foot. $210,000 was the asking. I said "Louie, 17 what can you offer?" 18 He said, "I bet you we can get it for 19 175, 180." 20 We just kind of did some quick math. 21 Maybe 30,000, maybe Enterprises could bring it in, 22 I don't know. We're just throwing it out. We 23 need a new home in Anadarko. This is our 24 proposition. Of course, we were going to go there 25 to rent; but, boy, it sure would be lucrative to 124 1 just have it. 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, there's a lot 3 here to digest. We do need another facility for 4 their outreach office, and the plans for the 5 funeral home to expand service area, you haven't 6 firmed them up yet, right? 7 MS. NELSON: No, we're still looking 8 at the properties. 9 MR. BURGESS: Before I start, Thomas, 10 Gabby, you had raised your hand. 11 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I think he said 12 450 a month times 12. That's 5,400 a year. 13 MR. NELSON: Put it at 600. 14 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Say $7,000 a year 15 times 20 -- I'm just doing some -- that's the 16 first time I seen it, but you have to do that 17 calculation to compare with rent or buying it. 18 MR. BURGESS: Correct. And then with 19 the advent of -- 20 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Then, too, he's 21 going up with the rent. 22 MR. BURGESS: Right. And the other 23 people might go up, too, if we don't purchase. A 24 long time ago, my prior service on the CBC, the 25 City of Anadarko had approached us and wanted to 125 1 try to come in and do some economic development in 2 that area. One of the prime opportunities slipped 3 past our hands, and that was to purchase 900 acres 4 with Indian City USA. So not necessarily I'm 5 trying to help the City of Anadarko. We are 6 concerned about our people. That's the primary 7 concern here. Sometimes opportunities will go by 8 us because we're not swift enough. There are 9 moneys available, there's new funds that are 10 coming all the time. 11 We have the opportunity before 12 January 1 comes around that if we as a tribe want 13 to issue some bonds to bring in some development 14 funds for jobs, for infrastructure, for buildings, 15 for expansion of services to the community. Those 16 are items we would have to list, then we would 17 have to find someone, a bonds broker to handle 18 these bonds and put them out there, but we have to 19 be specific in what we're going to do. 20 You heard me talk about this on the 21 19th. I'm talking about this now because this is 22 a new way of doing business that we have to move 23 into. If we can get the best deal, and I don't 24 approve it, I'm not saying it's the thing to do, 25 but the more we get for our money, the better off 126 1 we can be. So if we look at doing the old 2 Wal-Mart building, as big as it is, and the things 3 that go on there, and the need for emergency 4 shelter, the need for more office space that we 5 could rent out to others, an indoor basketball 6 court, tennis court for our youth to do things in 7 the night and the evenings. 8 I'll say this, having lived in 9 Anadarko and grown up in Anadarko, the town is 10 dying because there are no jobs. Our youth that 11 are there who go to the school system, the city 12 lives on Indian money. Anadarko survives on BIA 13 payroll, monthly payroll from everything from 14 health and human services, retirement income, 15 Social Security payments. Then I think the 16 largest employer there is the BIA through the 17 school and Riverside and their offices. 18 So their tax base is dying, and this 19 is part of our reservation. So ladies and 20 gentlemen, whatever plan we come up with, we'll 21 come back to you with it, but I say it this way so 22 you understand we've got a lot of things to think 23 about for the future. And so we're going to have 24 to look at what's most feasible for everybody, not 25 just a program-specific activity. With one 127 1 purchase of a building plus two lots, that's 2 feasible. 3 Some time past when I was the TA, the 4 City of Anadarko was really wanting to listen to 5 the idea of them becoming an arts area, like Taos 6 and Santa Fe have become an arts mecca in that 7 region. We have so many artists and so many 8 artisans, some people call them arts and crafts 9 person, that that whole town, the buildings, when 10 you put them together and all their lofts can 11 become different activities for different artists, 12 if those owners in town would understand that. 13 So there's opportunity there for 14 Anadarko to play off its history and the Indian 15 history that comes with it. So those are things 16 that we need to think about in the economic 17 ventures that we do. They're long-term, they're 18 long-term investments, but the payoff will be jobs 19 and opportunities for youth and their future. So 20 I'm saying this now on a soapbox more or less to 21 get you to understand that economic development 22 takes many ventures, many avenues, and many 23 ideas. 24 So I hope you all consider what we're 25 going to be doing and we, the CBC, will listen to 128 1 you all. But in the end, when we make a decision, 2 it's going to be based on what's the longest, best 3 possible return to our people, whether it's jobs 4 or income, opportunities for our youth in that 5 area. Moving on. 6 MR. NELSON: That was just Vidella's 7 humble attempt to say, Hey, we need a new rented 8 place up there. I'd like to share with the CBC 9 that our substance abuse program has moved off 10 Gore Boulevard. They were wanting to raise the 11 rent. So if everybody knows where Comanche Nation 12 Economic Development is, it's on C Avenue, you go 13 down the street to D Avenue, 913 Southwest D. 14 Boy, we got a deal there. It's a 15 three-entry building for substance abuse. We're 16 going to move prison reintegration down there, and 17 we're also going to have an outreach person from 18 WIA. Our people have these situations. There's 19 parking in the back, confidentiality is a must. 20 And there on Gore, everybody could see everybody 21 park in there. So it's a win-win situation. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: What are the three 23 entities? Substance abuse -- 24 MR. NELSON: Prison reintegration, 25 that's Alicia Wilson, and one intake worker for 129 1 WIA. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: What was the rent at 3 the substance abuse? 4 MR. NELSON: 695. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: And what is it at this 6 new place? 7 MR. NELSON: 750, and it's three 8 times the building we were at. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: And the address? 10 MR. NELSON: Is 913 Southwest D. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Is that south of you, 12 Delphine, or not? 13 MS. NELSON: South. 14 MR. NELSON: As a matter of fact, you 15 can see it if you go out -- it's really nice. It 16 used to be an insurance place. There's three 17 entrances, so you can come in three ways. 18 MR. POAHWAY: Is it by the old 19 employment office? 20 MR. NELSON: Yes, over there. There 21 you go, gentlemen. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: Very good, that's 23 good. 24 MR. BURGESS: Thank you. Next on our 25 agenda, Mr. DeFillipo, Anthony, on our 401(k) 130 1 plan. 2 MR. DEFILLIPO: Thank you very much. 3 The tribe currently has a 401(k) plan provided by 4 Hartford, and it's administered by a company out 5 of Edmond. I'm a tribal member, I'm an Edward 6 Jones agent. They're building me an office right 7 now in Elgin. I would like to be the 8 administrator for that same plan. The employees 9 would see no change, except for the fact they 10 could come see me in Elgin or I could be right 11 here for them. 12 It's pretty seamless for the tribe. 13 It's a rather lengthy process to get an account 14 open for the Comanche Tribe. I would need the 15 support of the CBC to write a resolution to say 16 that Edward Jones and the Comanche Tribe would do 17 business. Whether or not we would ever do 18 business, I would still need that to open an 19 account if we did business at some point. That's 20 all I have to say. 21 MR. BURGESS: I think there's a 22 technicality we have to go through with our 23 company. We'll have to get a resolution, get 24 their form down here to sign to make that transfer 25 as a body after the vote is done. So we'll ask 131 1 our Secretary/Treasurer to call the company to see 2 what that process is to follow so we can do that. 3 MR. DEFILLIPO: The process isn't 4 very hard. It happens quite a bit, and I could 5 facilitate that process real easy. 6 MR. BURGESS: And you guarantee us a 7 25 percent return? 8 MR. DEFILLIPO: Not quite that much, 9 but I will take care of you folks. 10 MS. TONIPS: You talked about bonds 11 earlier? 12 MR. DEFILLIPO: Edward Jones does 13 sell both bonds. There is a relationship that 14 could be made to where Edward Jones could help 15 underwrite those bonds and be the people to 16 actually issue those bonds, then sell those within 17 Oklahoma. 18 MR. HENSON: Is that the Ted bond 19 under the stimulus plan? 20 MR. DEFILLIPO: They're called Build 21 America bonds, and that's what they fall under. 22 MR. HENSON: There's two kinds. 23 There's one that's taxable and one that's not 24 taxable. The Ted bonds are not taxable. 25 MR. DEFILLIPO: That's correct. 132 1 MR. HENSON: But they get 35 percent 2 of their taxable money back on the other bond. 3 MR. DEFILLIPO: You'd be reimbursed 4 from the government by the stimulus money. 5 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, Anthony. 6 MR. DEFILLIPO: Thank you, gentlemen. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Your point of contact 8 is Mr. Tippeconnie? 9 MR. DEFILLIPO: Yes, sir, I have 10 talked to him several times. 11 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Jarvis Poahway, 12 parks and recreation ideas. 13 MR. POAHWAY: The question that I 14 had, it was answered when I first came in, because 15 that's what I was going to bring to the CBC was 16 about the hunting. Trying to work up some kind of 17 ordinance for our purchase properties. It would 18 be useless to try to attack the personally-owned 19 property, because there's already a law that 20 states we can hunt out there any time we want to 21 on Indian property, and take our meat to the 22 butchers and stuff like that, and not be charged 23 for, you know, because we can hunt and fish as 24 long as we want to on our own property. That's in 25 the peace deal. 133 1 So, but the -- what it amounted to 2 was that some kind of ordinance that would be 3 written in for the purchase property that we've 4 already got about the hunting situation. 5 MR. BURGESS: The trust property or 6 the nontrust? 7 MR. POAHWAY: Well, all of our 8 purchased property, whether it's trust or not. 9 MR. BURGESS: If it's nontrust, we 10 have to follow state. Even though we own it, we 11 follow state. 12 MR. POAHWAY: Well, if it's trust and 13 you bought the land for the Comanche Tribe, then 14 all the Comanches own the property anyway. So 15 it's kind of like the undivided interest-type 16 thing. So it's already protected anyway. We just 17 need to write an ordinance and get some signs and 18 put them on the property. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The last time you 20 brought something forward you were going to 21 present a plan? 22 MR. POAHWAY: Yeah, I've got the 23 plan, I'm still working on the plan. It's just 24 taking longer than I expected. I'm trying to get 25 with some grant writers right now where it won't 134 1 cost the Comanche Tribe any money. The grant 2 writers, if we can get the proper grants in place, 3 then it will pay for itself. 4 MR. BURGESS: Is Mr. Griffin here? 5 Vern, how long is this hunting season? 6 MR. GRIFFIN: It ends in November. 7 You're probably looking up through March for the 8 various species. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I have a 10 question for Jarvis. Jarvis, when are you going 11 to present us a plan or proposal for that 12 property? 13 MR. POAHWAY: Well, I have it 14 together now in my laptop, but -- 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Can you do it by 16 January, January's meeting? 17 MR. POAHWAY: Yeah, I can do it by 18 January. I've got to work out the prices and 19 everything else, you know, the total cost of the 20 whole project. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: So is it safe to say 22 we can put you on the agenda for January with a 23 proposal or a -- 24 MR. POAHWAY: I should be done with 25 it by January, because I'm still doing some 135 1 fishing around out there, you know, surveying some 2 of that property out there. I don't know, it's 3 just one blind after the next. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, we 5 purchased that land, it's 360 acres, it's got a 6 good fence, it's got a pond, hunting and all that, 7 it's got a house on it. It does have some out 8 properties. It's been purchased a year-and-a-half 9 ago, and it's like a lot of our property, it just 10 sits there. We buy them for a reason, but we 11 never do nothing with it. I'd like to start doing 12 stuff with our land. That's why we buy it. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we have to 14 have a plan. The house, I want everybody to know 15 the house is rented, so that's going to maintain 16 the home. You have to have an occupant to keep it 17 in good shape. 18 MR. WHITEWOLF: A good fish pond? 19 MR. POAHWAY: There's a pond on 20 there, but it's not -- it's got the potential for 21 a lake on the other side of the creek. All we 22 have to do is just put a dam up and then it will 23 make probably maybe a 30- to 75-acre lake. That's 24 a pretty good size. 25 MR. BURGESS: Vern, how long would it 136 1 take to draft up some preliminary hunting and 2 fishing license regulations? 3 MR. GRIFFIN: I can research it. I 4 think we still have copies of the ones presented 5 earlier. I know I have the costs associated with 6 it. I could probably have something for next 7 meeting. 8 MR. BURGESS: And you said that you 9 had prior information about game warden? 10 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, sir. We made a 11 proposal for actually hiring five game wardens. 12 MR. BURGESS: We might have to start 13 with two. Is there some funding we can track down 14 somewhere? It will be a year later. 15 MR. HENSON: Is there a possibility 16 of cross deputizing our police department as game 17 wardens? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, sir. Our problem 19 right now is the fact we do not have the 20 ordinances. We have nothing to enforce. How we 21 enforce right now is we charge them by 22 trespassing. 23 MR. HENSON: So we could use the same 24 police force as a gaming force. 25 MR. BURGESS: See, I don't want our 137 1 folks who are into hunting to miss the season if 2 we're going to restrict it to Comanches only. But 3 there should be some knowledge of our coming and 4 going, central point of entry and exit for their 5 own protection and knowledge. The non-Indians 6 coming on there would be strictly prohibitive, or 7 we charge them $500 a shot, one shot each. You go 8 to other places, you're going to pay $5,000 to get 9 one elk. It's by lottery. 10 So if we're going to sell a hunting 11 license, they're going to be restricted. We're 12 going to let our own people on there. They have 13 to have a card, show that they've taken the 14 safety, whatever, so we don't have people hurting 15 each other. We want to have non-Indians come in 16 there, it's our land, the animals are on our 17 property, we charge them. Our own people go out 18 there, you know, hunt free of licensing, but any 19 non-Indian coming out pays a fee. You do that at 20 other places. 21 MR. HENSON: It will be a tax issue. 22 MR. BURGESS: It could be collected 23 and run through tax. 24 MR. POAHWAY: Well, I'm for not 25 letting any white people come on there on any of 138 1 our property. Look how long they've suppressed 2 us. I mean, you know. We don't need white people 3 out there hunting on our property. 4 MR. HENSON: It's a question of 5 money. If they've got the money, we could charge 6 an awful lot of money. 7 MR. BURGESS: This is a nominal 360. 8 There's only going to be so many deer coming, so 9 many deer out there. Maybe we could give passes 10 to our people on specific days, but we have to 11 figure this out for those hunters that want to 12 come out there. 13 MR. POAHWAY: That's what I came for 14 today, specifically for that, but since you guys 15 took care of it when we first got in here, that's 16 what y'all were talking about. But I don't look 17 for a vote on this property for a while. 18 MR. BURGESS: On what you're 19 suggesting. But the hunters, we need to do 20 something. 21 MR. POAHWAY: But the other thing is, 22 I'm selling my property. I mean, my equipment. 23 And I've given to you a piece of paper that shows 24 my inventory and stuff that I'm selling to Capital 25 Improvement. They want to buy it. 139 1 MR. BURGESS: Do they have somebody 2 who can use it? 3 MR. POAHWAY: Yes, on the paper, I've 4 given them 100 hours of surveying. And what I'm 5 trying to do is trying to get -- sell that to them 6 for that price, and then use that money to buy, 7 you know, some GPS equipment. 8 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Nelson? 9 Mr. Poahway's going to turn this over to you. 10 It's about equipment materials and training for 11 staff, so you'll need to review this. 12 MR. POAHWAY: Well, I've already 13 turned it over to him and he gave each one of you 14 copies, from what I understand. 15 MR. BURGESS: If it involves 16 procurement, it goes to his office, he takes that 17 and handles it. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If we need it. 19 MR. HENSON: And this involves one 20 program, so there should be some kind of 21 purchase -- 22 MR. NELSON: Keep in mind, that's 23 your program, Mr. Vice-Chairman. 24 MR. HENSON: Which program is this? 25 MR. POAHWAY: Capital Improvement. 140 1 MR. NELSON: Land Management is the 2 CBC's program. 3 MR. BURGESS: No, this is not for 4 Land Management, this is for use by your 5 employees. The sale of equipment and the training 6 of your staff, which he's proposing. Come see it. 7 MR. NELSON: I've seen it, 8 Mr. Chairman. 9 MR. BURGESS: This is more for your 10 procurement policies and procedures that you've 11 got to follow, and the training, personnel. 12 MR. NELSON: We'll talk about it in 13 executive session, sir. 14 MR. POAHWAY: That's all I have. 15 MR. BURGESS: All right. Vern, can 16 we rely on you to -- this hunting issue coming 17 up? We need something that specifies Comanche- 18 only enrolled members to be there, and that you 19 can't bring in outsiders. I had a phone call 20 earlier from a member. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Your office approves 22 the hunting on the property. 23 MR. BURGESS: I know that one of our 24 officers has a letter and he had taken 25 non-Comanche out there. And I had a call from 141 1 another Comanche who wants to go, and he's been 2 notified he can not take non-Comanche there. So I 3 need to pull those letters together and let them 4 know it's Comanche only. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: One thing that 6 comes to my mind, you know, each of those 7 properties has a capacity. You know, you can only 8 have so many hunters. After a while, they'll be 9 hunting each other. So I think we have to have 10 some sense of what the capacity is, the number of 11 hunters. 12 MR. POAHWAY: We've got the Red River 13 property, and there's thousands of pigs down 14 there. We've got all this other property that we 15 purchased, and that right there alone is 320 16 acres. Of course, they can't hunt around the 17 house, so you have to exclude the house and all 18 the other stuff. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Feral pigs are not 20 underneath the wildlife. There's not a specific 21 season for them. 22 MR. POAHWAY: I guess, in essence, 23 what I'm wanting is to maybe to get with him or 24 something to get some signs, and I'll take them 25 out there and put them up. If you'll supply the 142 1 signs, I'll take them and put them up on the 2 purchased properties that we have. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: But until you get an 4 ordinance, there's nothing to enforce. We don't 5 have an ordinance on wildlife. 6 MR. BURGESS: It's trespassing. 7 That's the issue we'd use. And if we turn it over 8 to you to establish the signs of no trespassing by 9 other than approved personnel, call the police 10 department, get a permit to come out there so it's 11 Comanche only, we know who they are, they've got 12 to be registered. 13 MR. POAHWAY: There was some signs up 14 that said by order of the CBC and the Chairman, 15 that was when Wallace was in there, that you must 16 have a Comanche CDIB card to be on this property, 17 no deer stands and no four-wheelers. That was on 18 the sign that I put on the properties. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Who checked that, 20 who enforced that? 21 MR. POAHWAY: Well, I took them -- 22 Wallace gave me -- when I talked to Wallace, he 23 said to take this over to the police department 24 and give it to them so they'll be notified that 25 we're putting these signs up out there, and that's 143 1 exactly what I done. I took them over and gave 2 them a copy of that letter. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I can see putting 4 the signs up, but I just wonder who is going to be 5 out there to enforce it. 6 MR. POAHWAY: That was their job. 7 They were supposed to regulate the trespassing law 8 out there to begin with. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But they can't be 10 out there 24 hours a day. 11 MR. HENSON: We're going to put a 12 satellite teepee out there. 13 MR. BURGESS: Vern, can we call upon 14 you again to get the signs done and get them 15 prepared? 16 MR. WHITEWOLF: Are y'all talking 17 specifically about the 320 acres? 18 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, the Dodd 19 property. 20 MR. WHITEWOLF: That's all purchased 21 trust property, so state gaming would have control 22 over that. Put you some trespassing signs up 23 there, no trespassing signs, and let them know, 24 and then they'll watch it. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's true. 144 1 MR. BURGESS: Vern can do that and 2 notify the state board. 3 MR. POAHWAY: But the first question 4 that's going to come up is a jurisdictional 5 question that says that -- I've already faced this 6 jurisdictional problem already out there. The 7 county law or the rangers out there, they come up 8 and say, "Well, is this Indian land?" 9 "Yeah, we purchased it. It's not 10 trust property." 11 "Well, I'm sorry, but there's nothing 12 we can do about it." 13 MR. WHITEWOLF: They're just lazy. 14 MR. BURGESS: Vern, we'll leave it up 15 to you to get the signs done, post them, and then 16 notify the state gaming board to go ahead and 17 review that, and only Comanches are allowed on 18 that land. 19 The next item is Mr. David Yeagley. 20 MR. NARCOMEY: There's a question in 21 the back. 22 MR. BURGESS: Oh, a question. 23 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes. I try to 24 keep quiet and everything, but, you know, what 25 he's saying -- you know, we did, before that place 145 1 was rented, there was a lot of hunting out there 2 illegally. And since we were so close, Jarvis 3 went out there and, you know, told a lot of people 4 to get off that land. And to me, he was kind of 5 the unofficial game warden. I mean, you know -- 6 MR. POAHWAY: Give me a badge. 7 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: He's still 8 doing it. For the Indian land around there, he's 9 still doing it. I mean, we call, and they call, 10 the families call in, but nothing's done out 11 there, so -- I mean, don't give him a weapon, 12 heavens no. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: We've already had three 14 calls this morning and we've already gone to three 15 properties this morning, so we're going to need 16 the additional personnel if we're going to handle 17 this gaming issue. 18 MR. HENSON: I've got one question 19 for you: If you get a call for trespassing out 20 there, what kind of authority do you have? What 21 happens? 22 MR. GRIFFIN: Non-Indians we take to 23 the US Attorney's Office. 24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You don't do 25 that. 146 1 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, we can. 2 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I know you 3 can, but you didn't. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: If we get a phone call 5 and we have to go to Cotton County, like we did a 6 while ago, if we get down there and the 7 individual's already gone, who are we going to 8 cite? 9 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, you 10 tried to cite my uncle. He had three deputies 11 from Duncan on his land and nobody gave them 12 permission. He didn't give them permission. And 13 they always call out to Indiahoma. And they 14 started questioning my uncle, Well, what are you 15 doing this. You know, you're in big trouble and 16 everything. Well, that was his land. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: There was more than one 18 family heir on there. One side of the family 19 heirs gave permission and the other side did not. 20 MR. BURGESS: Let's don't go into 21 that one. We're talking about the Dodd property. 22 Let's stay on the Dodd property only. That's 23 where people seem to want to go hunting. 24 Vern, we'll turn it over to you, get 25 the signs made, and then come back with a plan on 147 1 how we can come up with some moneys for game 2 wardens, and then let's try to work this out. 3 I'll tell Civa to get a list of those people who 4 have letters, and put out new letters for them 5 only. Thanks, Vern. 6 Mr. Yeagley, your turn. 7 DR. YEAGLEY: Yes, sir. Mike, I'm 8 very encouraged about your remarks about Anadarko 9 and the arts center. I think that is visionary, 10 and I share that vision. 11 For those of you who don't know me, 12 my name is David Yeagley. I'm the great-great 13 grandson of quin-ne kish-su-it. It means wicked, 14 Mike. Bad Eagle is the name that's on the 15 records. 16 But I have a vision, too, that fits 17 in with this. I am the first American Indian 18 symphony composer that was commissioned to write a 19 movie score, first one. This is my business, the 20 arts. Okay? When I wanted to -- you have to pay 21 a symphony to record music. It doesn't play 22 itself. You have to hire a symphony to record the 23 music. 24 I came to the CBC almost two years 25 ago. Wallace was who I contacted. I wanted the 148 1 tribe to own that music and to own the recording. 2 And I had this vision that there could be a 3 Comanche record label, Comanche Nation record 4 label. And then as things catch fire in your 5 imagination, well, we have traditional singers 6 that sing Comanche songs, we've get a rapper, JJ. 7 He's already got a label. He's already successful 8 in his field. We've got all kinds of music among 9 our people. We could have our own tribal label 10 and be successful with it. All kinds of music. 11 We've got it covered. 12 Well, I expanded that idea. We could 13 also have a publishing, a small publishing 14 company, because we've got an excellent newspaper 15 and an excellent editor, very professional. I 16 know, I saw how she covered our court case there 17 about the Medicine Bluff, the way she was able to 18 summarize that, put that in writing. Because I'm 19 a writer, too. I'm a newsman, too. She beat me 20 on that. I get hung up on personal issues, you 21 know. She was objective about it. She's good. 22 We've got professional people in this 23 tribe that can really -- if we could gather them 24 all together in what I call the Comanche Media 25 Institute, we could fly. That would include a 149 1 record label, a small film company, a publishing 2 house, and also a radio station. We could have 3 our own -- a Comanche radio station that's owned 4 by the tribe. So I call that Comanche Media 5 Institute. That was the vision. 6 And then my friend Nick 7 Tahchawwickah, who happens to be sick today, 8 couldn't make it, he said, "That's not big 9 enough." 10 I said, "Well, it's pretty big, 11 Nick." 12 He said, "Not big enough." 13 Expand it to a technical school. 14 Train young men to get a licensed in electrician, 15 train them to become professional drivers, train 16 them to operate a computer, technology center. 17 We've got this. You know, some of this stuff 18 exists already in the tribe. It's not coordinated 19 into one major media institute. But the idea of 20 making a Comanche media/technical institute where 21 a young person can come in and get a license to do 22 something professionally in six months, you know, 23 could get a license in a year, and then could be 24 qualified for certain kinds of jobs. This is -- 25 this is a kind of a fast track to earning money. 150 1 And my original idea was a business 2 idea that the tribe own this institute and could 3 produce, you know, records, literature, and we 4 could make money off of that. That was my 5 original idea. Nick Tahchawwickah said make it a 6 teaching institute, that way you can do both, and 7 you can attract young people. 8 You know, young people need jobs. 9 You know, it's very difficult for the average -- 10 this is nationwide -- for the average Indian young 11 person to sit through school. Do you realize how 12 difficult that is? That's difficult. It's 13 difficult to think that far ahead. We can get 14 them started in college. After that first year, 15 year-and-a-half, the dropout rate among Indian 16 students across the country is like phenomenal. 17 They just don't finish. 18 A technical institute would put a 19 reasonable goal in front of them that they can 20 reach in an amount of time that they can 21 comprehend; six months, a year. It's a licensing 22 thing, it's not a degreed program. It's not 23 something that has to be accredited by a national 24 college organization or something like that. A 25 technical institute is a different ball game. 151 1 Now, I know at this point -- it's 2 been two years since I've started pushing these 3 ideas, and I know some of them are already 4 happening in small ways. They're beginning to 5 happen. But the idea is, we wanted to make a 6 planning committee. We wanted to put a planning 7 committee together of four or five professional 8 Comanche people that could see how to do this, 9 because this is major. This is not something that 10 can be done overnight. It's going to take a lot 11 of people. It's going to take everybody. That's 12 the foundation of the idea; it's for the entire 13 tribe, it's for everybody. It's not for -- there 14 will be an employee here and there, obviously, of 15 course, to make it happen. 16 But you know and I know that if 17 somebody goes off on their own and gets a grant to 18 do something, it upsets the tribe, it upsets 19 everybody. We fight over money, we fight over 20 those salaries. It doesn't have to be that way. 21 There's a different way of managing it, and that's 22 what I'm looking for here. 23 A media/technical institute would be 24 something that would involve a lot of Comanche 25 people, and certainly involve a lot of our younger 152 1 people. And right now, I mean, it's fresh on my 2 mind, the first thing Nick said to do was put the 3 nursing school in there. If it's going to be a 4 technical institute, include the nursing school, 5 because that works. That's the one thing that we 6 know that works. 7 You can get -- I remember the day 8 Wallace announced that you can go in there and you 9 can get your LPN and you can get a job. That's 10 what it's all about. 11 Well, we envision that kind of 12 program, plus a lot of other different kind of 13 programs, in the Comanche Media Institute. The 14 budget's already done, and if there is to be any 15 planning committee, it's going to have to come out 16 of somebody else's budget temporarily. And we 17 thought about the Economic Development. 18 I've ran up to a complete brick wall 19 with the Enterprise. They're interested in other 20 kinds of activity. David Orme, he told me, he 21 says, "You know, I'm not against what you're 22 saying, that's just not what we're doing." 23 I said, "Well, my idea is, well, 24 start doing this." You know, make room for this. 25 But right now, they've got certain kinds of jobs, 153 1 certain kinds of programs that don't include 2 this. 3 So I don't know where -- I even had 4 two people down here from New York that were 5 interested in investing and helping get this 6 started. They didn't get to see anybody. They 7 got to meet Wallace because the Elders happened to 8 be having a dinner, and I took them over there to 9 meet them there, but they didn't get to talk with 10 anybody. 11 And I realize that the arts are not 12 considered a central way of making a living. And 13 this technical institute is the way to -- the arts 14 have got to be included in that, really, because 15 that's the more viable of the two prongs of this 16 program, is the technical institute. 17 But, Mike, you talk about an arts 18 institute in Anadarko. Man, that would be 19 fabulous. And we've got the people that can do 20 it. We have the talent in this tribe that can do 21 that. It's not coordinated into a major 22 enterprise just yet, but I think it should be, and 23 that's my pitch. 24 And any questions about this? Any 25 comments about this? Can you share the fantasy? 154 1 What was that perfume, Share the Fantasy. 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, before you begin, 3 let me mention that before we even began the 4 college, the first question I had was, What's the 5 plan? The plan is A, B, C and D. By that I mean 6 plan for funding, plan for offerings, plan for 7 site, acquisition time. A plan has to be put in 8 place for all of this, and the funding sources 9 behind it. 10 And we're coming to a touchy subject 11 here, but when the college was first brought up, 12 it was one page. We didn't really have a plan 13 behind it. And we went for it, thinking that we 14 could bring these together. So before we do 15 anything like this, it should involve a lot of 16 communities other than just Comanche. It should 17 involve a big community up there. You know, 18 there's about 7500 Indians just in that town of 19 five tribes, plus all those who come in. 20 So before we do anything, we need to 21 see a plan of action, a plan of continuation, the 22 funding source, administrative plan. So I'm not 23 saying the idea is not worthy of merit. All ideas 24 have some merit to them because they can be 25 expanded upon. But then we also have a college 155 1 that's been in full force, going forward. They've 2 got their status, we're going on with that. If 3 it's something that we're going to do 4 artistically, then it will be an arts institute 5 that's totally separate from what our community 6 college is doing. The LPN program is integral to 7 the community college, too. 8 DR. YEAGLEY: I'm completely open 9 minded about this myself. We've handed out, many 10 times, several times handed out the sketch of the 11 overall thing. But a planning committee is what 12 we need to put together what you're asking for. 13 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 14 DR. YEAGLEY: And we wanted to, you 15 know, say within eight months or so, if there's a 16 little bit of money for five or six different 17 people so they could really concentrate on this 18 and meet together and give you a viable business 19 plan for this whole thing. That's where we are on 20 our situation. 21 I know it's going to happen here. 22 This was not conceived as a competition with the 23 college. This whole thing -- I got a -- I have a 24 501(c)(3), a nonprofit organization, called the 25 Bad Eagle Foundation, and that's where I 156 1 originally planned all this for. Remember? I 2 told you about that. I had no concept of 3 competing with anything that the college is doing 4 at all. That somehow developed along the 5 sideline. I'm not sure how that got developed, 6 but that wasn't part of this vision. 7 MR. BURGESS: All right. Well, 8 David, thank you very much. Just wait right 9 here. And I understand we've got a comment here. 10 Ms. Lopez, were you going to say something? 11 MS. LOPEZ: I think that you have 12 summed it up appropriately, having a plan, and 13 costs and those things that require sustain- 14 ability, and duplication of efforts. We don't 15 need to be spending twice the money on a program 16 that's already part of the college. Thank you. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: I had a comment on 18 this. My comment is, Consuelo, and Dr. Yeagley -- 19 and I know you just got a vague brief right here, 20 very vague. Do you think there's a possibility of 21 the two of y'all communicating to see if what he 22 has in mind can become part of what you are 23 doing? 24 MS. LOPEZ: I think if we were able 25 to have a larger building with more space. What 157 1 he's talking about may be feasible, but also 2 there's a high cost factor to set up recording 3 station machinery, everything he's going to need. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Have you communicated 5 with her at all? 6 DR. YEAGLEY: I've never met her in 7 my life. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Can y'all visit? 9 MR. NELSON: Do you know who she is? 10 DR. YEAGLEY: Well, I know now. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, I'm sorry. This 12 is Consuelo Lopez. She is the president of 13 Comanche Nation College. 14 MR. MAHSEET: I have a comment, 15 also. You said you didn't know anything about it, 16 but yet you put something out on the Internet that 17 I had already got into some type of program with 18 Consuelo. And then you said, "Tell Eddie Mahseet 19 I have a 501(3)(c)." I don't care what you have. 20 I'm not involved with it. And now you stand here 21 and tell the people you didn't know anything about 22 it. 23 DR. YEAGLEY: Know about what? What 24 did I not -- 25 MR. MAHSEET: About the information 158 1 that you put out on the Internet. You put it out. 2 DR. YEAGLEY: What? 3 MR. MAHSEET: About having a 4 501(3)(c), and not giving anybody any information 5 about it. But yet you put in the paper and on the 6 Internet, "Tell Eddie Mahseet," because you 7 overheard me asking some information about it, and 8 you put it on the Internet that, "Tell Eddie 9 Mahseet I have a 501(3)(c)." 10 DR. YEAGLEY: I don't understand the 11 conflict here. 12 MR. MAHSEET: Well, you said you 13 didn't have any information to the people, or 14 you're just now bringing it up, but you put it on 15 the Internet. So you're not being truthful with 16 the people, is what you're trying to do. 17 DR. YEAGLEY: I don't understand what 18 you're saying, Eddie. 19 MR. MAHSEET: Well, now you don't, 20 but you did before. 21 DR. YEAGLEY: I have a 501(c)(3). 22 I've had it since 2006. I heard you asking the 23 attorneys -- that you were thinking about one. 24 MR. MAHSEET: But you're saying you 25 didn't -- you're just now getting the information 159 1 out to the people, but yet you put it out on the 2 Internet. You said to tell Eddie Mahseet. Why 3 did you put it on the Internet? You ought to come 4 to me yourself. 5 DR. YEAGLEY: You know, you just 6 threatened to beat the shit out of me before this 7 meeting started. That's what I'm dealing with 8 here. 9 MR. MAHSEET: Because of what you 10 said. 11 MR. BURGESS: Let's go on. Thank 12 you. 13 DR. YEAGLEY: I'm sorry. 14 MR. BURGESS: Beverly, you had a 15 question? 16 DR. YEAGLEY: I don't know what your 17 problem is. I'm sorry. 18 MR. MAHSEET: My problem is you. 19 MS. ISAAC: My question is for 20 Mr. Yeagley. Have you ever been to Anadarko? 21 DR. YEAGLEY: Yes. 22 MS. ISAAC: On this project that you 23 want to start, and then you're talking about your 24 Bad Eagle Foundation. How many Comanches are 25 involved with your Bad Eagle foundation? 160 1 DR. YEAGLEY: There's nothing in it 2 right now. It is just an entity that I thought 3 that could be used. I told Mike about it when I 4 first got it. 5 MS. ISAAC: But you have a -- what do 6 you call it? The Website. You could be putting 7 information out there. You don't put anything 8 pertaining to the Comanche Nation on your Website 9 that is positive. 10 DR. YEAGLEY: This is going off. All 11 right, thank you for listening and considering 12 these ideas. 13 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Hear her 14 ideas. 15 DR. YEAGLEY: No, I know what she's 16 going to say already. She says it all over the 17 Internet. I don't want to get into this. 18 MR. BURGESS: All right. Thank you. 19 Let's go on. Thank you, David. 20 Mr. Narcomey? 21 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I have a 22 petition. You have to have 200 signatures, and 23 I've got 185. I started on I think September the 24 9th. I'm going to try to finish the petition by 25 Friday, that way I can turn it in and then have 161 1 some access so we could have a special council 2 meeting on 10 agenda items. 3 MR. BURGESS: You have a full 90 4 days. 5 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I've got until 6 December 9th, but I'm going to try to do it 7 Friday. 8 MR. BURGESS: So you just want people 9 to know that you have this petition? 10 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yes, I have this 11 petition, if anybody wants to sign it. I have a 12 seven-page explanation for eight of the agenda 13 items. I left out the Elderly -- Section 202, and 14 then the Comanche Hospital. I didn't explain 15 those. 16 MR. BURGESS: Okay. All right. 17 Thank you, Thomas. Item Number 8 was added. 18 Yes, Beverly? 19 MS. ISAAC: Mr. Yeagley's 20 proposition, now it's a media, right? Media, and 21 people being involved, as far as newspapers, 22 television, whatever, right? Because if people 23 aren't able to ask the man questions, how is he 24 going to treat us if this project is okayed? I 25 mean, if it passed? How are we going to be able 162 1 to communicate with this man? 2 MR. BURGESS: Well, that will come up 3 in, as I explained, planning. Going to have to 4 have a planning Committee, going to have to start 5 talking about it, explain that to the whole 6 committee. And the people on his committee with 7 him that would develop it, that would be their 8 responsibility to start explaining this whole 9 idea. 10 Now, it's just an idea. There's 11 nothing concrete about it. What he's saying is he 12 has a shell of a nonprofit organization that could 13 be utilized to help do this project or that 14 project or that project. That's what I 15 understand. Because most nonprofits, the many I 16 worked for, they had nonprofit status, they had 17 different programs underneath it, and each one of 18 these can do different things. 19 The arts in total. It's not just 20 news, radio, and broadcast. It could include jobs 21 behind it as a cameraman, a gaffer, best boy, 22 construction, you know, makeup artist, writers. I 23 did have the opportunity when I was in LA to go to 24 directors workshops and training, three-day 25 workshop to show you how to set up directing a 163 1 movie and everything behind it. But that's part 2 of what the arts media means; the whole area, not 3 just one specific media. 4 MS. ISAAC: The Wal-Mart that you're 5 talking about, that would be the perfect place. 6 But if you can't ask questions about it, how are 7 you going to get to know about it? 8 MR. BURGESS: Y'all need to visit. 9 We have a different forum right here. 10 MS. ISAAC: You cannot visit with 11 him. I tried to call him to let him know he made 12 an erroneous comment about General Council and he 13 hung up on me. 14 MR. BURGESS: We've got to move 15 forward. Y'all have coffee or breakfast or 16 whatever. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Mike, Mr. Narcomey, 18 here is your deal. If you're interested on his 19 proposed Special Comanche Council Meeting Agenda, 20 he's got 10 items here. I'll pass it around if 21 y'all want to look at it. You got your petition. 22 If y'all want to look at it, if you think it's 23 worthy of signing it, although I don't really like 24 petitions being signed here. 25 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I can go over the 164 1 items if you want me to. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: No, I'm going to 3 circulate this around. 4 MR. BURGESS: Number 8, please. Item 5 Number 8, we just have college nursing. They've 6 brought forward to us -- 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, actually it's 8 both, and I think we need to -- Consuelo is here. 9 I think we need to do that privately. 10 MR. BURGESS: Yes. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Right off the bat. 12 MR. BURGESS: Who brought this, 13 Carlotta? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 15 MR. BURGESS: You want to make a 16 motion to table? 17 MR. ASEPERMY: No, I think we need to 18 talk to both parties. They're both here right 19 now. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: In executive 21 session? 22 MR. BURGESS: All right. Ladies and 23 gentlemen, motion being made by Mr. Tippeconnie to 24 go into executive session for discussion on the 25 college nursing program and the Comanche Nation 165 1 College. Second by Mr. Mahseet. All those in 2 favor signify by saying "aye." 3 (Aye.) 4 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, same 5 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 6 (Executive session commenced at 7 1:42 p.m.) 8 9 10 * * * * * * 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 166 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) ) 4 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 5 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 6 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 7 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 8 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 9 that the meeting was held on October 3, 2009, in 10 the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney 11 for nor a relative of any said parties, or 12 otherwise interested in the event of said action. 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 14 hereunto set my hand and seal of office on this 15 the 28th day of October, 2009. 16 17 18 __________________________ 19 Kelly Stoabs Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 for the State of Oklahoma 21 22 23 24 25 167 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 10:09 a.m. on October 3, 2009, and that the 8 meeting was duly called and held in all respects 9 in accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25