1 1 2 3 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 4 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 5 MONTHLY MEETING 6 JUNE 6, 2009, 10:30 A.M. 7 COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 8 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 __________________________________________________ REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR 23 DODSON REPORTING & ASSOCIATES 435 NORTH WALKER, SUITE 102 24 OKLAHOMA CITY, OKLAHOMA 73102 (405) 235-1828 ~ (405) 235-1266 (FAX) 25 dcri@coxinet.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Wallace Coffey, Chairman 5 Ronald RedElk, Vice-Chairman 6 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer 7 Lanny Asepermy, Committeeman #2 8 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 9 Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4 10 LEGAL COUNSEL: 11 William Norman, James Burson 12 Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 13 14 15 16 * * * * * * 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 2 PAGE 3 Meeting called to order at 10:30 a.m. 5 4 Roll call. 5 5 Invocation. 6 6 Veterans recognized. 6 7 "A History of Modern Day Comanche 7 Veterans" video. 8 Bill Voelker gives Sia update. 10 9 Transportation Department/Grant. 27 10 Resolution Number 83-09 and 42 11 Resolution Number 84-09 both tabled. 12 Motion passed to reappoint Jo Vickers 51 to a three-year term to the Revolving 13 Loan Committee. 14 Motion passed to approve Resolution 53 Number 85-09/List Number 787/Ineligible. 15 Motion passed to approve Resolution 55 16 Number 86-09/List Number 788/Ineligible, striking Ritche Felix. 17 Motion passed to approve Resolution 58 18 Number 87-09/List Number 789/Eligible. 19 Motion passed to approve Resolution 61 Number 88-09, requesting contract 20 extension for HIP. 21 Water park discounts. 87 22 Motion passed to approve Resolution 98 Number 89-09/Request to enter P.L. 638 23 Construction Contract with BIA for replacement of wooden structured Bridge Number 14016. 24 25 4 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continued) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to approve Resolution 99 Number 90-09/Application to U.S. Department 4 of Education Office of Special Education and Rehabilitative Services. 5 Motion passed to approve Resolution 101 6 91-09/Ratifying Execution of Lease and Non-Disturbance and Attornment Agreement 7 for Office Space for Historic Preservation Office. 8 Motion passed to go into executive session. 163 9 Executive session held from 1:57 p.m. 164 10 to 4:06 p.m. 11 Motion passed to come out of executive 164 session. 12 Motion passed to approve contributions 165 13 to: Deanna Starr at $850, Shelby Mata at $1500, Angel Thompson at $850, Anadarko Youth 14 Program at $2500 for challenge application, Jeff Edmondson at $625. 15 Motion passed to approve to accept offer of 167 16 $3,375 for purchase of the Lincoln Town Car. 17 Meeting recessed at 4:25 p.m. 173 18 Secretary/Treasurer's certificate. 174 19 Reporter's Certificate. 175 20 21 22 * * * * * * 23 24 25 5 1 (Meeting called to order at 2 10:30 a.m.) 3 MR. COFFEY: I want to welcome 4 everybody. I apologize to you that we've been 5 meeting in advance so we can get some of the legal 6 issues before we go into our meeting here and 7 reserve the rest of the meeting for these 8 resolutions that we have listed. We're getting 9 agendas for you, so bear with us. 10 In the meantime, Mr. Tippeconnie, 11 will you call the roll, please? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Wallace Coffey? 13 MR. COFFEY: Here. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Ron RedElk? 15 MR. REDELK: Here. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Robert 17 Tippeconnie? Here. 18 Edmond Mahseet? 19 MR. COFFEY: He's at Red Earth. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Lanny Asepermy? 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Here. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Darrell 23 Kosechequetah? 24 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Here. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Clyde Narcomey? 6 1 MR. NARCOMEY: Here. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have a quorum, 3 Mr. Chairman. 4 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Bear with us 5 while we have a word of prayer, please. 6 (Invocation.) 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Wallace, I'd like to 8 add onto that. On June the 6th, 1944 -- I think 9 everybody knows that our Armed Forces landed on 10 the Beaches of Normandy. On June the 6th, 1944, 11 the first Comanche to die as a result of war while 12 serving in the Armed Forces was killed, and his 13 name was Sergeant Johnny Revis. He was killed by 14 a direct hit from a T-88 artillery round. His 15 final resting place is the Normandy American 16 Cemetery, France. 17 Eight days later, our second Comanche 18 was killed, Sergeant Melvin "Hawkeye" Myers. Both 19 were members of the 82nd Airborne Division. So 65 20 years ago. 21 The youngest D-Day veteran is now 82 22 years old, and they're dying at a rate of 300,000 23 a year. So keep the Revis and the Myers family in 24 your prayers. It's been a long time, but I'm glad 25 that we have an image of both these men, and I'm 7 1 glad that we have a story on their service in the 2 military. 3 MR. COFFEY: Can you talk about this 4 video? 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, yeah. This is a 6 video that was produced, and we did have some 7 showings of it. It's called, "In the Tradition of 8 the Warrior. A Modern Day" -- "A History of 9 Modern Day Comanche Veterans." It was produced by 10 Mike Tosee and Bill Curtis out of Lawrence, 11 Kansas. It's 86 minutes long, and distribution is 12 to veterans free of charge, or to families of 13 veterans. And I do have some copies here. If you 14 see me during a break or something like that -- I 15 think I've taken care of most of the veterans that 16 are available, but this is really -- I think, 17 Beverly, you've seen it. 18 There are a number of people in 19 here. Barbara, have you had a chance to review 20 this? But it's really a good thing. It 21 emphasizes our Code Talkers, it emphasizes our 13 22 veterans who died as a result of war, it 23 emphasizes our five prisoners of war, and also 24 some of our Comanches who were pilots in World 25 War II, like Myers Wahnee, Meach Tahsequah, 8 1 Vincent Myers, and people like this. And it's 2 really a -- I think it's really an interesting 3 video. 4 It's a movie. It's a movie about our 5 people, and we hope to have this on OETA in the 6 very near future, and even possibly on the 7 Military Channel. So if you are a veteran, or you 8 had a member of your family serve as a veteran, 9 come see me. These are also for sale, but for the 10 veterans, we decided we're going to provide them a 11 copy. So, thank you, Wallace. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Mr. Chairman? 13 MR. COFFEY: Yes. You have an 14 announcement? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I just want to make 16 a comment, short comment. 17 MR. COFFEY: Sure. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You know, if you 19 see some of the broadcasts on television locally, 20 or you read the newspapers, or you even see The 21 Daily Oklahoman, you see more and more about the 22 Comanche Nation. 23 The Comanche Nation makes news in 24 many places. As the Chairman mentioned to us 25 earlier, the Sia project, you know, the one that 9 1 Mr. Voelker is working with, has been on the 2 news. We can go on. The grand opening that we 3 had here with the artist at the museum. We can go 4 on and on, there's numerous things. 5 So the Nation is becoming a matter of 6 real influence to the area, and it's really neat 7 to see. And it comes about because of all of us, 8 all of you, all the members of the Nation. 9 And one thing I want to mention 10 specifically is that the IBC Bank, and they have 11 four branches in the Lawton area, and, of course, 12 they're all over the State. But in Lawton area, 13 they like to showcase different entities. Well, 14 beginning June 15th through July 15th, they're 15 going to be showcasing the Comanche Nation. 16 Delphine Nelson is coordinating that. 17 So it's good to see that the banks 18 are reaching out, too, to see what we're all 19 about. The theme that they're saying is we're a 20 people, a culture, and an economic influence in 21 Southwest Oklahoma. And I think it's something 22 that all of us need to be proud of, you know, that 23 we are a people, we're a culture, a living 24 culture, and we're an economic influence within 25 this part of the country. You can see more and 10 1 more, you know, the Comanche Nation and other 2 Indian nations are really rising, and I just want 3 to compliment everyone to say we should all be 4 proud of that. 5 MR. COFFEY: Bill Voelker, would you 6 like to give us -- we're calling on you to do a 7 short overview with regard to the Sia project. 8 Our visitor that came to see and be with us, it 9 was very enjoyable. 10 MR. VOELKER: Okay. Thank you, 11 Mr. Chairman. We had quite an event at our Sia 12 facility in Cyril on Tuesday. The Regional 13 Director of the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 14 Region II, Dr. Benjamin Tuggle -- it kind of all 15 started, we had asked to honor this man at his 16 office in Albuquerque shortly after the 17 inauguration. 18 Some of our group, our board member, 19 La Donna Harris, received a Lifetime Legacy Award 20 in Washington during the inauguration. And on the 21 heels of that great energy of new administration 22 being put into place, we came wanting to honor 23 this man. He is in many ways the only African- 24 American Regional Director in full service. And 25 because of that, we believe strongly that he 11 1 brings a sensitivity to our Native concerns that 2 no one else could. 3 The service has been run by pretty 4 much the same kinds of people for years and years, 5 and none of them with the kinds of ethnicity that 6 Dr. Tuggle brings. We were getting paranoid. He 7 wasn't responding to our request to go and honor 8 him. And finally the announcement came down, he 9 was coming to the Comanches. 10 So it was a great honor, and it was a 11 major endorsement of our program, the fact that he 12 came to us for this honoring. Wallace officiated 13 representing the Nation. We had members of the 14 CBC. And thank you men for being there and 15 supporting us. 16 But in addition to our Comanche 17 presence, we flew the colors of 11 different 18 tribal nations that day. Sia has assisted in many 19 nations across this country, and the important 20 thing we wanted to get across to Dr. Tuggle is 21 that we all know there are changes needing to be 22 made in the way laws address things essential for 23 our traditional way of life: Eagle feathers, 24 non-eagle feathers, water birds, Flicker, 25 Scissortail, all the other birds of prey we need. 12 1 This man is willing to step up to the 2 plate and make these changes, and he's empowered 3 by our current administration. We are going to 4 see changes come down, but it simply would not be 5 possible without those people like that that are 6 there today. We're talking policy changes. 7 That's all of us and all of our neighbors. 8 We're interactive, and most people 9 don't feel like it, but we're in training with the 10 Potawatomies. They'll be the next to open a 11 Native American Eagle aviary. They've been 12 training with us since October. They were there 13 present. 14 All the other tribes that we've 15 assisted, the Sundance folks from the Arapaho 16 tribe. Actually, they were caught up in the 17 moment, they actually sang a Sundance Eagle song 18 for the Regional Director. He had never been 19 exposed to anything like this before. He was much 20 gratified. 21 And just to give you an example of 22 the impact of this event, I had to make mention of 23 the fact that we agonized with some of our folks 24 in the museum world that care for our traditional 25 items. Folks from the panhandle plains and in 13 1 Texas. Because of a personality conflict of 2 people within his regional office, they've been 3 denied a permit to hold protected bird marks. 4 We're going on five years now. 5 They were present with us, we wanted 6 to show that we honor those people that care for 7 our traditional items. And as a result, 8 Dr. Tuggle gave down the order, and the deputy of 9 migratory birds sat down with these people at the 10 table and hammered out these problems. It's taken 11 care of. So it shows you how decisive this man 12 can be. 13 He's full of energy. We brought to 14 him -- it was major in many different ways. And 15 in addition to Dr. Tuggle, who was our key 16 visitor, he brought the Deputy of Migratory Birds, 17 Law Enforcement, a Native American liaison with 18 him, he had all these tribal people. 19 But some of you have questioned us of 20 recent times why are we involved with eagles that 21 the Comanche have no history with? Well, because 22 of our success in breeding native eagles, people 23 around the world are asking for our involvement 24 with breeding rare and threatened and endangered 25 eagles worldwide. So Sia is much more than just 14 1 addressing our Native concerns, which is first and 2 foremost, but we address those species of eagles 3 simply because of our global responsibility, based 4 on our success with captive breeding. No one has 5 achieved what we have done. 6 These accomplishments are minimum. 7 We don't take the credit individually. We always 8 put ourselves out there as the people who have 9 done this, the Comanche are leading the way at 10 breeding and upbringing many of these rare and 11 endangered species. 12 As a result, the Tanzanian government 13 has just sent us a pair of African Black eagles. 14 They're the only members of their kind in the 15 western hemisphere. They were available for 16 viewing. They speak to the region that Barack 17 Obama's father's people came from. 18 So concluding our event on Tuesday, 19 we named these two eagles after the President and 20 the First Lady. Those of us at Sia were having a 21 hard time calling the eagle Michelle. So what did 22 we did is we gave them Comanche names. We gave 23 our President and First Lady Comanche names that 24 were then bestowed upon this pair of eagles. And 25 when we look at an exotic eagle from another part 15 1 of the world, we look at it just the way we do our 2 birds; and first and foremost, that indigenous 3 connection with these birds. 4 So to round this out, on Tuesday, we 5 had a member of the Masai Tribe with us in Cyril 6 America. He was dressed traditionally. And he 7 was there representing the indigenous, the 8 cultural side of these rare eagles. 9 So it sounds like we had a three-ring 10 circus, and I guess we did, but it was all with 11 intention, all with purpose, and it allowed us to 12 honor many facets that we're about. So for those 13 of you that haven't been to see it -- Gladys came 14 to visit us not long ago. I think she was happy 15 with what she saw there. Some of our Elders who 16 were pilfering in. The invitation is out there 17 for everybody to join us, and I want to thank you 18 all again, those of you that were there supporting 19 us, because it was a major step in the right 20 direction for indigenous concerns with the 21 wildlife issues. 22 MR. COFFEY: Especially when the 23 Potawatomies and the Iowas were there, too. They 24 want to get to this same capacity as where we're 25 at, or where you're at. That was also a good 16 1 blessing. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And the Cheyenne- 3 Arapaho. 4 MR. VOELKER: Cheyenne-Arapaho. We 5 had Monomani presence there. We just had a 6 Monomani, a former chairman of the Monomani, 7 Michael Chapman, join the Board of Directors for 8 Sia. 9 As some of you may or may not know, 10 Sia's unique in we've existed as a tribal program 11 for 10 years now. We're celebrating our 10-year 12 anniversary. We're a tribal program, however 13 we've always been responsible for our own 14 funding. That's why we have our own Board of 15 Directors, our own 501(c)(3) status, so we have 16 the ability to go out and raise money. But it's 17 all built on what is now 41 years of working with 18 eagles that has always been from a Comanche 19 perspective. 20 MS. ISAAC: Was it a public event for 21 everybody? 22 MR. VOELKER: Yes, I announced it -- 23 if you'll remember, if you've been to a CBC 24 meeting, that this was happening. So everyone was 25 invited. 17 1 MR. COFFEY: I'd like to say thank 2 you, Bill. That was a very moving event, and I 3 was proud to be part of that. 4 MS. ISAAC: I would have loved to 5 have been there. I wish I remembered. 6 MR. COFFEY: Also, I went to 7 Riverside Indian School on Wednesday morning. We 8 had a walk for Wellbriety to overlook some of the 9 problems in the Indian school, you know, with our 10 ancestors, our moms and our dads, and the 11 treatment of them getting them to not -- no longer 12 speak their language and things that have caused 13 us to be in the situation where we're at now. So 14 I felt very good being there. 15 On the 22nd of June, I've called the 16 military Army. 21st of June is the beginning of 17 summer, it's the Summer Solstice, and it's also 18 Father's Day. So I didn't want to impose on 19 anybody's plans to spend time with their father, 20 so on June the 22nd, I'm calling people together 21 to meet at Medicine Bluff. And let's go up there 22 and let's a have a day of prayer, or an hour of 23 prayer. 24 Approximately 11 o'clock in the 25 morning, we'll set up tents and we'll have shade 18 1 for some of our Elders who are not able to make it 2 up the bluff. Then we'll have a little cedar 3 ceremony before we walk up the bluff, and then 4 we'll go up there and we'll pray. And then when 5 we come back down, we'll get cedared off again. 6 We won a lawsuit and I'd hate for us 7 not to take advantage of that fact and not utilize 8 it while we went to great means in order to 9 protect the interest of that sacred site. So on 10 the 22nd of June, we're asking people to meet here 11 probably at 10:30. Then we'll utilize our bus, or 12 we'll convoy over there to Medicine Bluff. I've 13 written a letter to the military asking them to be 14 aware and to make the people at Key Gate aware 15 that we'll be coming. 16 Some of you have seen in the paper 17 with regard to the KCA and the asbestos clean up 18 with regard to Southwestern Hospital. That took a 19 lot of effort over the past three years to get a 20 loan that would help us clean up that Southwestern 21 Hospital to a degree where it can be used in some 22 form of fashion. It may not be adequate for 23 offices because all the infrastructure inside has 24 been ripped out; the lighting facilities, the 25 pipes, everything. But we think it can be usable 19 1 for storage, or it can be used for something of a 2 long-term nature. 3 And so once it's complete -- probably 4 be about six, eight months. Once it's complete, 5 then the KCA will decide once again. But I also 6 say thank you to Darrell Kosechequetah, who's been 7 on the KCA Committee. 8 Some of you may have seen recently 9 the signs with regard to the highway signs, "You 10 are now entering the Kiowa-Comanche Reservation." 11 That took us about three-and-a-half years to get 12 to this point. And like somebody said, a member 13 of the Kiowa Tribe said in the news, that it makes 14 you feel good to know you go in different parts of 15 Oklahoma and you can see "You are entering the 16 Chickasaw Nation Reservation" now. But when you 17 come to our territory, it's good to know that it's 18 there. 19 Also, Mr. Tippeconnie said that the 20 museum exhibit -- if you haven't been to the 21 museum and looked at the exhibit, I encourage you 22 to go. It's -- the talents of our Comanche people 23 is just unbelievable. I mean, it was a very 24 wonderful exhibit, and it was a nice reception we 25 had on Thursday. So take advantage of this. 20 1 In the meantime, I just want to say 2 thank you for being here. We have a lot of 3 information we want to share with you, plus we had 4 some points for discussion on our own. So any 5 other comments anybody would like to make with 6 regard to activities with our Comanche Nation? 7 MS. ISAAC: When is the gym going to 8 be finished? 9 MR. COFFEY: If we don't have any 10 rain, it will probably be 45 days. But if it 11 keeps raining -- because water had come in the 12 inside. May have to do something with regard to 13 the roof, and I'm thinking that that might be the 14 possibility. We're hoping 45 days to 60 days, but 15 it's progressing pretty good. 16 You know, we need a larger facility. 17 The air conditioner is not there. 18 MS. ISAAC: They're going to have 19 bathrooms and showers? 20 MR. COFFEY: I'd like to see that. 21 MS. ISAAC: Somebody said they were. 22 MR. COFFEY: That would be nice. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We have a corrected 24 agenda. I don't know if everyone has that. So 25 when we go through it, we need to announce the 21 1 correction. 2 MR. COFFEY: Is there anything you'd 3 like to change or add, Committee? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, Gladys 5 Narcomey would like to have a few moments in 6 executive session. 7 MR. COFFEY: So would Ken Goodin. 8 MR. NELSON: Also, where are you at, 9 ma'am? Mrs. Thompson? They were supposed to be 10 on the agenda for Mrs. Thompson. Please introduce 11 yourself, sir. 12 MR. THOMPSON: I'm Rick Thompson. 13 Angela Thompson was supposed to also be on the 14 agenda. 15 MR. NELSON: It was supposed to be on 16 the agenda, the very first one. 17 MR. COFFEY: On the new or the old 18 one? 19 MR. NELSON: New. 20 MR. WOOSEPITTY: And Joan Woosepitty. 21 I want to speak with you, also. I was supposed to 22 be on the initial one. 23 MR. COFFEY: Did you want to speak to 24 us in executive session? 25 MR. WOOSEPITTY: Yes, sir. 22 1 MR. COFFEY: And Mr. Thompson, did 2 you want to do that, too? 3 MR. THOMPSON: Yes. 4 MR. COFFEY: We'll put you in 5 executive session, both you and Mr. Woosepitty. 6 MS. AITSON: Mr. Chairman? 7 MR. COFFEY: Yes? 8 MS. AITSON: I just called Esther 9 Parker and she didn't realize that she was 10 supposed to be here for the executive session, and 11 it's for a home improvement. And she said she 12 would appreciate it if someone would get a letter 13 out to her. She doesn't go anyplace, she's just 14 homebound. 15 MR. COFFEY: Where does she live? 16 MS. AITSON: She lives north of the 17 complex there. She needs everything done to her 18 house, and she would like to speak to someone more 19 on it. And if she knew she was supposed to be 20 here -- she's never come to our meeting -- she 21 would have been here. So if you want to put 22 someone in that place, take her name off, and get 23 someone with her, you know. 24 MR. COFFEY: So you recommend 25 somebody go and visit with her and see what kind 23 1 of problems she has? 2 MS. AITSON: I think so. 3 MR. COFFEY: Can you get that done, 4 Willie? 5 MR. NELSON: Do you have her phone 6 number? I'll get with you. 7 MR. WELLS: There's a typo in the 8 Comanche News. The election in the Apache 9 District will be still held at the high school. 10 It will not be held at the community center, 11 because we talked it over with the election 12 services and the Board, and they felt like the 13 elections it would be -- cause too much confusion 14 to go back to the old place and back and forth. 15 So we decided to have it at the high school again. 16 I wanted to make that announcement. 17 And we have in-person voting next Friday here at 18 the complex. And the election at the Walters 19 Precinct next Saturday will be in the small 20 conference room. There is a wedding going on in 21 the gym, I guess, and we will -- that wedding 22 doesn't take place until 7 o'clock, so we're going 23 to close that off so that there's only one 24 entrance into the -- 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Walters? 24 1 MR. WELLS: Walters. I wanted to 2 make those announcements on the elections. 3 MR. COFFEY: Also, I was at the 4 casino on Saturday, and there was a lady who came 5 up from Texas who said that she got her absentee 6 ballot. She said whoever is working at your 7 Election Board, I got my absentee ballot in plenty 8 of time. She said I got it and I sent it back. 9 So that was good to be hearing. Keep up the good 10 work. 11 MS. SHANGREAUX: I've got a 12 question. In the paper, it says that the absentee 13 ballots have to be mailed by noon on the 13th? 14 MS. SCONCHIN: They've got to be 15 received by the 13th. 16 MR. WELLS: They've got to be 17 received by the 13th. We pick them up at the post 18 office at noon on the 13th. 19 MS. SHANGREAUX: The Comanche News 20 says mailed by the 13th, the paper that you're 21 holding in your hand. 22 MR. WELLS: They need to be mailed by 23 at least the 12th to get there in the post office 24 by the 13th. 25 MS. SHANGREAUX: To be received by 25 1 noon. 2 MR. WELLS: We pick up on the 13th at 3 noon because the post office closes at noon. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Charles, how many 5 ballots did you get after -- on Monday? Or how 6 many did you get after the election? 7 MR. WELLS: On Monday, we received 8 two ballots. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: How many all together? 10 MR. WELLS: So far this week, 11 probably about 10. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Ten total that didn't 13 get here on time? 14 MR. WELLS: Which is real good for 15 us. In the past, we had a lot more. We've had an 16 overwhelming amount of ballots come in. That 17 Saturday, we had over 800 ballots. 18 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Lily, are you 19 saying that's another typo that you saw in the 20 newsletter that needs to be corrected, also? 21 MR. WELLS: We're going to have it on 22 all the papers, all the voting sites and stuff, 23 and make all the corrections we need, and those 24 will go out Monday. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: And you'll have your 26 1 signs up like you did before? 2 MR. WELLS: We'll redirect people 3 that they go to the old place. 4 MR. COFFEY: Will Dog, is this a form 5 of a resolution for your application to the 6 transit program? 7 MR. OWENS: We took care of that 8 last -- 9 MR. COFFEY: Last month, didn't we? 10 MR. OWENS: -- meeting. This is just 11 a -- like an overview of -- to let you know where 12 we're at. I think it's in executive session, 13 unless you want to do it here, it's fine. 14 MR. COFFEY: If we've already done 15 it, I don't see no reason. 16 MR. OWENS: Unfortunately, our 17 traveling guys, their luggage is still in Rhode 18 Island, and the PowerPoint is still in Rhode 19 Island, also. So I had to print that out, and I 20 apologize to the public here. He can actually 21 tell y'all that his clothes are still in Rhode 22 Island. I believe he had an issue with that, 23 also. 24 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, if you 25 don't mind these gentlemen, I would love for them 27 1 to get up and at least explain to us where this 2 is. 3 MR. COFFEY: Let's do that. If you 4 want to do that now, because this is important to 5 us. I wish we could have had more to hand out. 6 MR. OWENS: I apologize to 7 everybody. 8 In the past, the Transportation 9 Department with the Transit has purchased a bus 10 through our IR Program, i.e., our Road Program. 11 In 2005, I believe -- is that correct 12 Franklin -- President Bush authorized the Safety 13 Loop Bill, and it opened up a Tribal Transit 14 grant. It allowed tribes -- it set aside X amount 15 of dollars for tribes to apply for. It was a 16 competitive grant, so you're applying against 17 other tribes. That's when safety was out. 18 We applied in 2006, I believe. Was 19 denied due to they say we were copycatting what 20 was going on in Lawton, but we didn't feel that 21 way. But, anyway, nonetheless, we were denied. 22 This past year, Franklin and 23 Mr. Anthony Kemp, I gave them a job to do and they 24 did it good. They applied for Safety Loop, once 25 again, FTA Transit. We got $160,000 for Tribal 28 1 Transit, which is good. We asked for $200-and- 2 something-thousand. And we didn't get what we 3 wanted, but, nonetheless, we got it. In the 4 future, we're going to purchase a vehicle -- 5 purchase some new vehicles with the money, and 6 help with administrative costs, what have you, 7 expand to hopefully to Snyder and back to Anadarko 8 in the future, expanding this. 9 But after that, after we received 10 word that we received funding for the $160,000 11 under the new administration of President Obama, 12 he introduced the 2009 American Recovery and 13 Reinvestment Act, the ARRA. It's stimulus money. 14 There was a short period, I believe it was due May 15 -- or last month, correct, Franklin? We had to 16 get that in. We had to rush around. 17 So we applied for -- it's $8.4 18 billion all together in ARRA. Tribal Transit is 19 only getting 17 million this year. So it's just a 20 small percentage of the 8.4 billion, but, 21 nonetheless, it's there. 22 Franklin informed me that 70 tribes 23 applied for this stimulus. This stimulus is for 24 capitalized equipment; i.e., buses, more or less. 25 It's not to be used in any other way, for just 29 1 administrative purposes. The funds must be used 2 for capitalized expenditures only. They cannot be 3 used for operating or administrative purposes. 4 There will be more stringent guidelines and 5 reporting requirements. And no match is required; 6 i.e., like the tribe doesn't have to match that 7 grant. 8 We applied for $174,636. That is to 9 replace two vehicles that we have. To give you a 10 little update on what we've got here, we have four 11 vehicles over the 300,000 mileage. That's a 12 testament to our mechanic. He's been doing a heck 13 of a good job. Nonetheless, these buses are no 14 older than 2000, 2001, but they have a lot of 15 miles on them. We recently bought two in 2006 off 16 our ARRA Program and their already -- those are at 17 200,000 miles already. 18 We introduced a standard for vehicle 19 replacement years ago. We'd still like to do that 20 within our budget in the future. To replace the 21 vehicles with the mileage on -- they're not 22 getting the gas mileage that they used to get, the 23 repairs are more and more frequent -- but, 24 nonetheless, getting back to this ARRA, 25 We applied for $174,636. The 30 1 announcement will be held in September 2009 of 2 this year, whether we received it or not, and the 3 funds must be obligated by September 2010. 4 I believe in -- I'm sorry. Yeah, in 5 2008, we applied for a regular FTA grant of 6 $262,000, and we got $100,000 less than that -- 7 $160,000, excuse me. And, you know, it's not what 8 we wanted. I mean, not what we wished for, but we 9 were going to work with it. It's not the -- you 10 know, the thought here is to revamp and get rid of 11 all the busses that we have, or, you know, try to 12 get newer equipment and make it easier. 13 We did get new equipment down there 14 as far as helping with the routing and what have 15 you. We have a GPS unit in each vehicle now, new 16 communications. So we know where they're at, the 17 buses, and it helps the dispatch. Instead of 18 having two or three buses in one place, they can 19 look on their screen at a picture of Lawton or 20 Cache -- they have a map -- and it shows the buses 21 exactly where they are at the street, it shows how 22 fast they're going, it shows when they're just 23 sitting. So we're kind of like big brother out 24 there. 25 Hopefully it will help us out and get 31 1 us better to help the people out. I know there 2 was lots of complaints about us not getting to 3 people in enough time, but that's what we -- why 4 we got this equipment. It's rather expensive, but 5 it's working out. 6 I invited the Tribal Administrator 7 down there. We had a few kinks the first week. I 8 don't know what the deal was, it just wasn't 9 working right. It's finally working really good, 10 and hopefully our dispatchers and our drivers can 11 benefit from that, also. 12 MR. NELSON: I would invite the CBC 13 to go look at this. It's really nice. And tribal 14 members, come and look at this, because it's 15 actually where we're going. 16 MR. OWENS: Actually, Anthony, you 17 can pull it up on a computer and you'll have a 18 visual. It's not necessarily a live look at it, 19 but somebody actually drove the streets of 20 Lawton. And if that driver is in that particular 21 area, it shows that day where that driver is at -- 22 Braum's on Gore, or what have you, the casino 23 even. 24 But it's just an overview of where 25 we're at at Transit. We're trying. You know, 32 1 it's costly to operate Transit right now. I know 2 y'all realize that. The public don't, but you 3 guys do when you guys voted on it. It's very 4 costly. We're going after everything we can as 5 far as federal grants are concerned. Like I said, 6 it's very competitive out there. A lot of tribes 7 are jumping on board. A lot of tribes are getting 8 money just for startup. We've been in existence 9 since 2001. I believe there was no budget for 10 Transit until 2005, so it's getting up there. And 11 it's a service first and foremost to the people. 12 We're trying. 13 I know there's, you know, people that 14 complain about it, probably don't ride our system, 15 but we really are out there and we're really 16 trying to help you guys out. Franklin, do you 17 have anything to add? I apologize. 18 MR. FRANKLIN: Yes. As Will had 19 mentioned, Kathy and I came from the National 20 Transportation Conference in New Hampshire. There 21 was some updated information. The FTA -- the new 22 Executive Director of FTA, Ramon Williams, was 23 able to be there. That was his sixth day on the 24 job, and so he gave updated information that -- on 25 this ARRA Fund that Will was talking about -- that 33 1 they're going to -- he's proposing to allow 10 2 percent of the monies to allow for operating. 3 Because he said, you know, you get the capital, 4 you've got the buses, you know, you've got to have 5 the money to run as far as the bus drivers and all 6 of that. So we're hoping that that would be 7 done. 8 We were able to have a one-on-one 9 with the tribal liaison from Washington, D.C. 10 They were all in a meeting at CTAA, which we are a 11 member of. They were able to give us meeting 12 space, and we met with them during the 13 conference. It was a really productive session 14 that we had with them. That's when she was able 15 to get the statistics on this ARRA Fund money that 16 we proposed for. 17 Like he said, the 17 million is what 18 we're all competing for. They have 70 19 applications and five of them were from new 20 tribes. Out of those, seven applications came 21 from Oklahoma tribes. The total amount that 22 everyone had made application for was 54.7 23 million, and there's only 17 million. So it's 24 very competitive. 25 But this is what Will was talking 34 1 about. This is why, you know, we wanted to be in 2 a position where we can compete for these 3 dollars. We can get away from Gaming, you know, 4 because it's so difficult to have a budget, you 5 know, that's strictly Gaming budgeted. And so we 6 were able to successfully receive the $160,000. 7 We're hoping to get additional monies, you know, 8 on the ARRA in addition to operate, because that 9 will help us, you know, with the vehicles and to 10 fund some of the biggest costs that -- that's what 11 eats us up, fixed costs. 12 But it was very intense training. 13 Since it was the first time for the federal 14 government, they'll give you the money, but they 15 may not always -- we had to go to a two-day 16 webinar, which talks about the funding, how you go 17 about it, and everything has to be structured and 18 has to be according to their definition, fixed 19 route. That's what we offer. Demand response. 20 But all that has to be calculated to the penny. 21 That's why this was very successful for us. 22 You know, Anthony went to a three-day 23 intense training; and the manual that was 24 provided, they sell that for $190. But since we 25 were participating in this conference, CTAA, we 35 1 were able to go through that and he brought back 2 some -- a lot of resources. And we're hoping 3 they'll arrive in Lawton Airport this afternoon. 4 MS. SCONCHIN: I wanted to make a 5 clarification on the Election Board -- on the 6 election article that's on the front page. I gave 7 that article to the Election Board office to 8 approve before we put it in the paper, and they 9 approved it without any changes. 10 MR. COFFEY: You can't be held 11 responsible for that. 12 MS. SCONCHIN: Yes. So if it's 13 wrong, I gave it to them before it went to print. 14 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Vice-Chairman, is 15 there anything you would like to say since this 16 may be yours and my's last meeting. Any thoughts 17 you might want to share with us? 18 MR. REDELK: I don't know. 19 MR. COFFEY: Okay. 20 MR. REDELK: I'll think about that. 21 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Resolution Number 22 83-09, CBC. The minutes here, May the 2nd, 2009. 23 Any action on that, CBC? Motion to approve? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: I make a motion to 25 approve the minutes. 36 1 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 2 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy to approve the minutes 3 of May the 2nd -- and I'm not sure if there's 4 others in here. Is there others in here, too? 5 THE REPORTER: I think there's two 6 sets. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: There's two sets. My 8 motion is to pass the minutes of May the 2nd, 9 2009, and May the 21st, 2009. 10 MR. COFFEY: Okay. We have a motion 11 by Committeeman Lanny Asepermy to approve the 12 minutes of May the 2nd, 2009, and May the 21st, 13 2009. Do we have a second to that? 14 MR. NARCOMEY: I second, 15 Mr. Chairman. 16 MR. COFFEY: Motion made by 17 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy to approve minutes of 18 May the 2nd, 2009, and our continuing meeting of 19 May the 21st, 2009. A second has been made by 20 Committeeman Clyde Narcomey. Committee, do you 21 have any discussion? Hearing none, all those in 22 favor signify by saying "aye." 23 (Aye.) 24 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 25 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 37 1 carried. 2 Resolution Number 83-09, "Whereas, 3 the Comanche Tribal Council has approved the 4 funding of a revolving loan program and pursuant 5 to Article VI, Sections 7(f) and 7(j) of the 6 Comanche Constitution it is incumbent upon the 7 Business Committee to enact the rules governing 8 such program; and 9 "Whereas, the Comanche Business 10 Committee is the duly elected official body 11 designated to conduct business for and on behalf 12 of the Comanche Nation; and 13 "Whereas, a Comanche Nation 14 reorganization has been established by Resolution 15 Number 43-09 which places the Revolving Loan Fund 16 Act/Program under the jurisdiction of the Comanche 17 Nation Enterprises Inc; and 18 "Now therefore be it resolved, that 19 the Comanche Business Committee further affirms 20 the reassignment of the Revolving Loan Fund Act/ 21 Program under the jurisdiction of the Comanche 22 Nation Enterprises Inc." 23 What's this all about? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This is, if you 25 remember, we passed -- it cites the 38 1 reorganization. 2 MR. COFFEY: I think we need to 3 re-look at that, because we didn't specify -- 4 maybe we have seen that, but I'm under the 5 impression that David -- you're an operator in 6 this loan program, aren't you? 7 MR. ORME: Yes. 8 MS. NELSON: We used Comanche Nation 9 Enterprises. 10 MR. COFFEY: I thought this was. 11 MR. ORME: The program, as it stands, 12 is a program of the Tribe. 13 MR. COFFEY: He is Enterprises? 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, he's 15 Enterprises. 16 MR. ORME: No. Governed by a board. 17 That board is Jo Vickers, Carol Kahrahrah, and 18 myself. It reports to the CBC. It's not part of 19 the Comanche Nation Enterprises, nor is it part of 20 the Economic Development. 21 MR. COFFEY: But now it's under the 22 Enterprise? 23 MR. ORME: Well, this resolution and 24 the prior, I guess, organizational chart, would 25 make it part of the Enterprises. That's not a 39 1 request from us. It's not a request from us. 2 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Well, on the 3 organization chart that we passed, you had it 4 identified under -- 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, yes. And we 6 were attempting -- if you remember in that 7 discussion, we were attempting to move all 8 businesses, you know, into the appropriate 9 locations. This is a business, and over here 10 we're keeping the governmental programs under the 11 Tribal Administrator. 12 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, our only 13 constitutional sound program we have is 14 Enrollment. And just the issue of revolving 15 loans, you know, have applications go through our 16 Enrollment Office, you know, there is fact 17 findings and compliance issues that we are trying, 18 me and Mr. Tippeconnie, are really trying to get a 19 grasp on. That was just one. 20 MR. ORME: We agree with that. We 21 have hired and she will be at work on Monday. 22 We've hired a full-time loan officer to administer 23 this program. She'll be located in Delphine's 24 facilities at 1001 Southwest C Avenue. We will no 25 longer be associated in any way with Enrollment. 40 1 In fact, we have very little association right 2 now. We're going to meet with Donna on Monday to 3 make the transition, but that program is an 4 independent program. 5 And I guess the view -- I'll express 6 the view of the Comanche Nation Enterprises Board, 7 is that we'd like to keep the Enterprise -- this 8 is a for-profit aimed at earning a return on the 9 Tribe's finances that are entrusted to us. It is 10 for profit. The loan program is more of a program 11 of the Tribe. And really my view is that we 12 should keep that as an independent entity and not 13 a part of Enterprise. 14 Enterprises is supposed to be -- I 15 mean, it's an entity, and I know, Robert, you guys 16 established it this way. It's independent of kind 17 of the Tribal politics of things to allow us to 18 really separate the business arm from the 19 political arm. It's done in U.S. government, it's 20 done here. It's a big advantage to have it down 21 there. I'd like to keep it that way if we can do 22 that. So I would like to keep it separate, 23 honestly. Several programs administered by the 24 Board reporting to the CBC. 25 MR. COFFEY: I would agree. 41 1 MR. ORME: If you guys' motion is to 2 make it that way, we'll make it work. 3 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: We certainly 4 value your opinion on that, and I think we should 5 take all this, at which point we can discuss 6 further the decision we made on the organizational 7 chart. And I think this next one is going to come 8 into question, also. 9 MS. ISAAC: So the -- what Donna used 10 to run here as Enrollment is going to go to them 11 now, separate from the Comanche Tribe? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's always been 13 with them. 14 MS. ISAAC: But Donna held it at her 15 office? 16 MR. ORME: We've hired somebody to do 17 this on a full-time basis. Donna was only able to 18 devote one day a week, I guess. 19 MS. ISAAC: But that money was 20 already gone. The first issuance was already gone 21 and that was political. So when you handle it, 22 it's not going to be that way, right? 23 MR. ORME: It's not politically 24 based. The loans are not politically based. 25 MS. ISAAC: Well, that's how I feel 42 1 it was. Because all of a sudden it was gone and 2 nobody knew where it went. 3 MR. ORME: I'll be happy to discuss 4 with you all the -- I can't talk about individual 5 people because it's confidential. 6 MS. ISAAC: So who did you hire as 7 the loan officer? 8 MR. ORME: The loan officer is Tracie 9 McClendon-Hall. She was a loan officer for a 10 company in Duncan, and she has about four or five 11 years' experience doing this kind of work. She is 12 a member of Comanche Nation and has family here in 13 this area and wanted to come back. She was a good 14 match for us, and had good experience. 15 MR. COFFEY: I think we just need to 16 table this action. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And the next one. 18 It's a similar -- 19 MR. COFFEY: Both of these? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 21 MR. COFFEY: Table them. Resolution 22 Number 83-09 and Resolution Number 84-09. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I agree. 24 MR. COFFEY: Tom, you got something 25 back there you want to say? 43 1 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yeah, how much 2 money is in that Revolving Loan Fund? Didn't we 3 vote on it I don't know how many years ago? Also, 4 didn't we pass procedures on this Revolving Loan 5 Fund before? We also need procedures for that 6 Rainy Day Fund. We're supposed to have 3 million 7 in that, so we need procedures for that, also. So 8 I don't know how much money we've got in there. 9 MR. COFFEY: Yes, what's your -- 10 MR. ORME: We have granted about 11 $450,000 in loans. That was done in the last part 12 of last year. We have about 60 or $70,000 this 13 year. There was actually no budget in 2009 for 14 the program. CBC freed up some funds for us to 15 make a few loans -- 16 Mr. TOM NARCOMEY: What was the 17 original budget? 18 MR. ORME: The original budget was 19 for a million in 2007. That money was expended -- 20 I mean 2008. That money -- $400,000 of that was 21 granted in loans. The rest of that went back to 22 the Tribe at the end of the fiscal year. 23 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: So out of that 24 million, how much do we have? 25 MR. ORME: $450,000 spent in loans. 44 1 We have about $100,000 that we are operating on 2 the rest of this year. 3 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: So 450 is missing 4 or something? 5 MR. ORME: No, it's not missing. It 6 went back to the Tribe. The Treasurer is very 7 much aware and actually initiated the action -- 8 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Like a Rainy Day 9 Fund? 10 MR. ORME: I don't know. Robert 11 would have to speak to that. 12 MS. TOYEKOYAH: So this year, the 13 Tribe was able to give you money to start a 14 Revolving Loan Fund? 15 MR. ORME: Yes. In 2010, we'll have 16 a budget of $400,000. 17 MS. TOYEKOYAH: And you had in 18 2009 -- 19 MR. ORME: In 2009, we have about 20 100,000 to operate on. 21 MS. TOYEKOYAH: And the Tribe was 22 able to free up that much money to give you? 23 MR. ORME: It's a little less. 24 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: If we still have 25 zero in our Rainy Day budget, we ought to 45 1 authorize a federal investigation audit and find 2 that 3 million. It's been too long. That 3 3 million should be drawing interest somewheres. 4 MR. COFFEY: Anybody have any 5 thoughts on that? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The only thing I 7 can say is, you know, the Revolving Loan was in 8 previous years. It isn't this year. In previous 9 years, it was approved for up to a million dollars 10 one of the years. I don't know where that is. 11 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: You mean Rainy 12 Day? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Excuse me, the 14 Rainy Day. Excuse me, not Revolving, Rainy Day. 15 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: That's why we need 16 a federal audit on that. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We do have audits. 18 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I mean a special, 19 specific audit just for that, authorize that the 20 -- whoever come in and find it. 21 MR. COFFEY: I don't know. I don't 22 know if any money has ever been expended out of 23 there, do you? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, there hasn't 25 been any out of the Rainy Day, but the Rainy Day 46 1 obviously covered debts. 2 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: We need procedures 3 in case we come up with another Rainy Day Fund. 4 That way we can fair market and tie it down. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I agree with you. 6 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: So we could 7 prevent this from happening in the future. 8 $3 million is a lot of money to be losing. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we don't lose 10 it. 11 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Well, it is, it's 12 not there. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, it's not 14 there. And I agree with the point that if we're 15 going to have a Rainy Day Fund again, it should be 16 put into an account separated where it's earning 17 interest, and it's operating under procedures. I 18 agree with that. 19 I hope it comes back in time that we 20 have a Rainy Day. Because if you have money in 21 the bank, you really have an asset, and you're 22 able to show everyone, you know, you have money in 23 the bank and you're earning something on that. We 24 really need to do that in the future. 25 MS. ISAAC: So if Rainy Day Fund is 47 1 going to bills, who accumulates these bills? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The way I observed 3 it, and we're still in those audit processes -- 4 we've gone through audits, you know, looking at 5 how we're spending money and what we're doing, and 6 now we're doing complete financial audits. But 7 first of all, we have those audits and now we're 8 looking at the financial audits. 9 So in those reviews, we will see how 10 these monies were deliberately expended. Most 11 cases -- my observation at this point, it covered 12 debts. It covered over expenditures of somehow. 13 MS. ISAAC: I can remember back three 14 years ago, somebody said, "Well, we still have 15 this much money in our budget, but they're telling 16 us we don't have any money." So the Tribe has 17 been taking money out of the budget for a while 18 now and -- 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, I think the 20 Tribe is getting much better about accounting and 21 how they're handling monies. But remember this: 22 Most of our money comes from Gaming dollars, most 23 of it. Well, that's all a projection. It's in 24 the sky. There's no money in the bank. So we 25 have to have money moving from Gaming, you know, 48 1 income, over to the Tribe by the month. It comes 2 by the month. 3 So if we don't get enough money, 4 which that's what's occurring, too, we don't have 5 all the kind of money we projected in the budget. 6 And that happened this last fiscal year. We did 7 not have -- or excuse me, this fiscal year. 8 That's why, if you've been involved with us a 9 little, you see that we had to adjust everyone's 10 budget 30 percent down because the income wasn't 11 materializing, it wasn't there, it wasn't coming, 12 so we had to adjust. 13 We worked very closely with Gaming 14 and others that provide money, the Tax Commission, 15 but we worked very closely to see this money 16 coming in. Well, if it isn't coming in, we have 17 to adjust down. We're not going to live in debt. 18 We're going to try to stay debt free. 19 So, yes, people's budgets were 20 adjusted last fiscal year, they've been adjusted 21 this fiscal year because the money is not there. 22 MS. ISAAC: Well, consolidating some 23 of these programs like I mentioned at the General 24 Council, how much money do all these people need? 25 I don't know where the money goes. They may have 49 1 a little class here and there, but that's not that 2 big if they get money. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think more and 4 more with the TA -- the TA and I, especially I 5 think now, we're looking at efficiencies, the 6 smart way we're spending money, and we're looking 7 at this reorganization -- we've talked about that. 8 We're attempting to look at a new way of doing 9 business at the Nation, which is more efficient, 10 costs us less money, but it's more effective. We 11 get a better job done. So we're looking at all 12 those things right now. That's all the CBC with 13 the TA and all the program directors. We keep 14 working with the program directors. 15 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Why don't we 16 authorize the federal government to come in and do 17 an investigation on our 638 and just clear that 18 up? I mean we did -- you know, we lost money in 19 the police department and we -- they got authority 20 for them to come in and we cleaned that up. So 21 why don't we do the same thing with 638? 22 Authorize them to do an investigative audit and 23 get forensic evidence on anything that's dealing 24 with 638. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We are under 50 1 reviews with the Bureau and with our accounting 2 firm looking at 638. And I might say this: You 3 know, in our audits, the audits will say that 4 we're not doing this right or that right. Well, 5 what happens then, some of the ones that give us 6 grants, like the Department of Labor, they look at 7 that, too. So there's a lot of questions being 8 asked, and there's a lot of responses being made 9 by the Tribe at this moment. 10 I'd like to say we've got a good 11 compliance process in order to get in compliance 12 with the Bureau and with other parties and other 13 departments. So it is underway. And I'd like to 14 say that it's beginning to accomplish things. We 15 are getting in order. 16 MR. COFFEY: All right. Yes, sir. 17 MR. REDELK: Mr. Chairman, David, 18 have we re-appointed Jo to your committee? 19 MR. ORME: No, we haven't. I would 20 really appreciate it if you guys would reappoint 21 her. She is instrumental in what we get done. 22 She's been a real asset. We're still struggling 23 some. This continuity, the history, and the 24 knowledge that she has developed over the last 25 year is important to us for us to make progress 51 1 and get around the problems that we have. So I 2 would appreciate it if you would reappoint her. 3 MR. REDELK: Mr. Chairman, I make a 4 motion that we reappoint Jo Vickers. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It was advertised, 6 wasn't it? 7 MR. ORME: Yes, it was. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And we really got 9 very few applicants. Jo does stand, it seems 10 like, stand. 11 MR. COFFEY: Well, we have an action 12 on the floor, gentlemen. Mr. Vice-Chairman, Ron 13 RedElk, made a motion to reappoint Jo Vickers. Do 14 you have a term, three-year term? 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Three years. 16 MR. REDELK: Three years. 17 MR. COFFEY: Made a motion to 18 reappoint Jo Vickers to a three-year term to the 19 Revolving Loan Committee. Do we have a second? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Second that motion. 21 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 22 Vice-Chairman Ron RedElk to reappoint Jo Vickers 23 to the revolving loan program for a period of 24 three years effective immediately. A second has 25 been made by Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. Any 52 1 discussion, Committee? 2 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Yeah, we put it 3 out for advertisement, right? Who collected the 4 resumes? Did we already have those reviewed? 5 MR. ORME: It should have gone to you 6 guys, right? 7 MR. COFFEY: Either that or into our 8 Human Resources. 9 MR. NELSON: No, it didn't come here. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We had only two. 11 It almost seemed like we only had one in the final 12 of it, which was Jo. 13 MR. COFFEY: Okay. So we're in 14 accordance with our action, right? 15 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Okay. I just 16 want to make sure we follow through with what we 17 initiated. 18 MR. COFFEY: Any further discussion, 19 Committee? 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Jo was the only 21 applicant, right? 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 23 MR. COFFEY: Any further discussion, 24 Committee? Hearing none, all those in favor 25 signify by saying "aye." 53 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 4 carried. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Just an afterthought, 6 will this be effective 1 July of '09 through 30th 7 of -- 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, the motion 9 was made immediately, so I would suggest it's from 10 June -- late June 1st. 11 MR. COFFEY: Once we ratify these 12 minutes, then it becomes -- or once we approve the 13 minutes, then it becomes ratified. I think that 14 that will happen June 1st, effective -- 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 17 MR. COFFEY: Committee, Resolution 18 Number 85-09, "Whereas, the documentary evidence 19 on file with the Comanche Nation Enrollment Office 20 and information furnished by each applicant named 21 on List Number 787 does not possess the required 22 one-eighth (1/8) degree Comanche blood as provided 23 by Article III, Section 1(c), of the Comanche 24 Constitution. 25 "Now therefore be it resolved, that 54 1 each applicant named on the attached List Number 2 787 is determined to be ineligible for membership 3 with the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma because he or 4 she does not meet the provisions of Article III, 5 Section 3(c) of the Comanche Nation's 6 Constitution. 7 "Be it further resolved, that each 8 applicant on List Number 787 be officially 9 notified of their rejection for membership, 10 stating the reason for such determination and the 11 appropriate appeals provisions." 12 Resolution Number 85-09, you will see 13 those individuals. They do not meet the 14 requirements. Do we have a motion to approve? 15 MR. NARCOMEY: I make that motion, 16 Mr. Chairman. 17 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 18 Committeeman Narcomey. Do we have a second? 19 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 20 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 21 by Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve 22 Resolution Number 85-09. A second has been made 23 by Committeeman Darrell Kosechequetah. Committee, 24 any discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor 25 signify by saying "aye." 55 1 (Aye.) 2 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 3 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 4 carried. 5 Resolution Number 86-09. "Whereas, 6 the Comanche Business Committee has reviewed each 7 individual application as named on the attached 8 List Number 788 who filed for enrollment as a 9 member of the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma pursuant 10 to the membership provisions, approved January 9, 11 1967, and, 12 "Whereas, the documentary evidence on 13 file with the Comanche Nation Enrollment Office 14 and other tribal records verified that each 15 applicant named on List Number 788 is an enrolled 16 member of another Indian Tribe. Because he or she 17 does not meet the provisions of Article III, 18 Section 3(b) of the Comanche Nation's Constitution 19 and Bylaws; 'The person is at the time of the 20 adoption of this constitution an enrolled member 21 of another tribe or has in the past received and 22 accepted or, if a minor, whose parents or legal 23 guardian has received and accepted for said minor, 24 material or monetary benefits as a member of 25 another tribe... 56 1 "Now therefore be it resolved, that 2 each applicant named on the attached List Number 3 788 is determined to be ineligible for membership 4 with the Comanche Nation of Oklahoma, 5 "Be it further resolved that each 6 applicant on List Number 788 be officially 7 notified of their rejection for membership, 8 stating the reason for such determination and 9 including the appropriate appeal provisions." 10 We have three individuals: One is on 11 the Muscogee Creek roll, one is on the Apache 12 roll, and another one is on the Cherokee Nation 13 roll. Committee, do we have a motion to approve? 14 MR. NARCOMEY: I make that motion, 15 Mr. Chairman. 16 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 17 Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve Resolution 18 Number 86-09. Do we have a second? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I second that. 20 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 21 Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve Resolution 22 Number 86-09. A second has been made by 23 Secretary/Treasurer Robert Tippeconnie. Any 24 discussion, Committee? 25 MR. ASEPERMY: On the first one, 57 1 there -- am I allowed to say the name? 2 MR. COFFEY: Yes, you could. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: On Felix, Mr. Felix -- 4 MR. COFFEY: Ritche Felix. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Because of the birth 6 date, I would like to know if his application -- 7 you know, he's so close to the criteria. I would 8 like to know if his application was in during the 9 eligibility phase, his 18th and 19th birthday. 10 And if it was, then that should be reconsidered, 11 if it wasn't -- 12 MR. COFFEY: Then it should be on 13 this? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 15 MR. COFFEY: Do you want to have him 16 stricken from this resolution until we make 17 further investigation? 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. It's so close to 19 the eligibility time. 20 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Narcomey, do you 21 agree that Mr. Felix should be examined further to 22 determine eligibility or ineligibility is this? 23 MR. NARCOMEY: Yeah, that'd be all 24 right. 25 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Tippeconnie, do you 58 1 go with that? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 3 MR. COFFEY: Why don't we go with 4 that and strike this. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Robert, if the 6 application process was done between 18th and 19th 7 birthday, then I think that person -- 8 MR. COFFEY: Should have the option? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, they have the 11 -- second. 12 MR. COFFEY: That one individual, 13 because of their time frame and their age, that 14 they do -- might can meet within that one-year 15 time frame? 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Right. 17 MR. COFFEY: So that one is being 18 stricken from this resolution. Any further 19 discussion, Committee? Hearing none, all those in 20 favor signify by saying "aye". 21 (Aye.) 22 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 23 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 24 carried. 25 Resolution Number 87-09, "Whereas, 59 1 the list includes the names of applicants who have 2 been verified as eligible pursuant to Article III, 3 Section 1(c) Membership, of the Constitution of 4 the Comanche Nation, which states, 'All 5 descendants of allottees eligible for membership 6 under the provision of Section 1(a) of this 7 Article, having one-eighth (1/8) or more degree of 8 Comanche Indian Blood. 9 "Therefore be it resolved, that the 10 Comanche Business Committee accept the 11 verification of eligibility for the applicants as 12 shown on List Number 789 by the Comanche Nation 13 Enrollment Office, whom meet all requirements for 14 enrollment into the Comanche Nation. 15 "Be it further resolved, that the 16 Comanche Nation Enrollment Office notify the 17 eligible applicants by letter of their approved 18 membership and further that the enrolled member be 19 provided information concerning their enrollment, 20 including name, birth date, roll number, Social 21 Security number, and degree of Comanche blood." 22 There's 44 individuals that are 23 listed on this new list. That will bring us up to 24 14,421 tribal members. Committee, do we have a 25 motion to approve Resolution Number 87-09? 60 1 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I make that 2 motion, Mr. Chairman. 3 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 4 Committeeman Darrell Kosechequetah to approve 5 Resolution Number 87-09. Do we have a second? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, I second 7 that. 8 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 9 what was the number? 10 MR. COFFEY: 14,421 tribal members. 11 This resolution has 44 new members eligible for 12 enrollment. 13 Committee, a motion has been made by 14 Darrell Kosechequetah to approve Resolution Number 15 87-09. A second has been made by Committeeman 16 Lanny Asepermy. Do you have any further 17 discussion? Hearing none, all those in favor 18 signify by saying "aye." 19 (Aye.) 20 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 21 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 22 carries. 23 Mary Ahhaitty, Priscilla Andonian, 24 Katie-Ann Archilta, Christina Barajas, Kiersten 25 Bowen, Kristina Cable, Hunter Call, Kristen Cantu, 61 1 Timra Caskey, Brandon Dranger, Baylee Forsythe, 2 Jayden Gooday, Abigail Horne, Avarie Horne, Adrian 3 Howlingcrane, Otto Iron, Owen Iron, Haden Johnson, 4 Abraham Jones, Larisa Josey, Kedatsa KaudleKaule, 5 Julius Mahsetky, Rebecca Miller, Cathy Niebruegge, 6 Nalani Pacheka, Alexander Pebeahsy, Amanda 7 Pebeahsy, Madison Pekah, Angelina Puente, Anthony 8 Puente, Amy Ray, Jessica Sawyer, Maggie Sawyer, 9 Addison Schickedanz, David Soules, Talon 10 Tahdooahnippah, Jonah Tahmahkera, Gracie Tahpay, 11 Kelli Taptto, Leslie Tenequer, Breanna Tonips, 12 Lailah Valdez, Janis Wilson, Arthur Ybarra, Jr., 13 Bruce Yellowfish, Joe Zavala, all new members of 14 the Comanche Nation. How about a round of 15 applause? 16 (Applause). 17 MR. COFFEY: Resolution Number 88-09, 18 "Whereas, the Comanche Nation is requesting a 19 contract extension until September 30, 2009 for 20 the previous Contract No. CTB06T80822 for the Home 21 Improvement Program under Public Law 93-638 in 22 which it expired December of 2007. 23 "Now therefore be it resolved, that 24 the Comanche Business Committee, acting for and on 25 behalf of the Comanche Nation hereby authorizes 62 1 this resolution for such intent." 2 Willie, is this normal procedure to 3 extend the time frame? We've done it before, I'm 4 saying? 5 MR. NELSON: Yeah. It's not normal, 6 but, yes, you have done it before. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Should this action 8 have been taken earlier? 9 MR. NELSON: It should have. It 10 should have. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it should 12 have. 13 MR. COFFEY: It's a Bureau program 14 and those are continuing resolutions most of the 15 time. But this will make it effective until 16 September. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Willie, do you have an 18 amount, by chance? 19 MR. NELSON: Last year, he got -- it 20 really wasn't matching, what they gave him. It's 21 been three homes for, I don't know, 10 years. The 22 actual updating, more or less, rebuilding the 23 homes for three homes. It's usually 100, 120. 24 MR. COFFEY: I really don't know what 25 the amount has been, but we have to make some 63 1 clarification here before too long. Do we build 2 homes or do we repair homes? That's something 3 that the CBC is going to have to make a decision 4 on. Because HIP is Housing Improvement, that 5 means repair and improvement or upgrading those 6 existing homes that we have. I don't know that 7 we're in the business of building new homes. 8 MR. NELSON: Well, the statistics of 9 this, Mr. Chairman, Phase 1 of our HUD homes were 10 only supposed to last 25 years. The demolition 11 date was 1999. Phase 2, we're looking at 2002. 12 Phase 3, we're going to be going to 2015. We have 13 an EPA Department. We have mold, we've got 14 remediation we've got to do. There's so many 15 barriers to this thing. 16 With Obama, hopefully HUD can 17 re-establish itself where tribes can start 18 building anew. 19 MR. COFFEY: We've got to do our job, 20 you know. Let me tell you, under the Bureau and 21 being on the Tribal Budget Allocation Committee, 22 each year the Bureau has tried to eliminate monies 23 going for HIP. They've been trying to eliminate 24 HIP for the past six years that I know of. 25 And there are those of us that were 64 1 on this Committee that continues to restore the 2 monies for the HIP Program because we know it's a 3 need. But those are homes that are owned by 4 Indian people, not HUD homes that were generated 5 for Indian people. And you're talking about a 6 condition of these homes that are way beyond 7 repair, some of them. 8 MR. NELSON: That's our biggest 9 fallacy now. 10 MR. COFFEY: In fact, we have a lady 11 that was here -- Esther, is that right? 12 MS. AITSON: She just talked to 13 Lanny. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, I talked to her. 15 I just talked to her. Willie, that's the one. 16 MR. COFFEY: Okay. We're going to 17 send someone to her house? 18 MS. AITSON: There was a mix up on 19 this. That is for another home that's located in 20 town in Apache, but there's no one here that lives 21 in that home that's on this executive session. 22 This has got Esther Parker, that's her name, too, 23 but that's her mother's home that's on executive 24 session. 25 She's here because she needs -- she 65 1 talked to someone at Housing and she needs her 2 home repaired. So that's the one you that you 3 guys are going to get out north of town to look 4 at, because her husband recently passed away, and 5 that house really is in need of repairs. 6 And she's an Elder and she doesn't 7 get around that much. Esther Gene. Most people 8 call her Carol Parker. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Aitson? 10 MS. AITSON: Aitson. 11 MR. COFFEY: Aitson. 12 MS. AITSON: And, also, Wallace, 13 while we're on the same subject, I have a young 14 lady here. I don't know who works with the 15 Housing with the Indian Tribe with this Business 16 Committee, but this young lady here has an issue 17 of a home. She gets kicked out of where she lives 18 with two little girls and one -- do you want to 19 tell them her, explain to her -- 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My boyfriend's 21 mom gave me her home, and my daughter, Angelina, 22 she's got a liver disease, Type 1-A. She can't 23 move into that home with me because it needs 24 repairs and because of her disease. Her disease, 25 you know, it can affect it some way. So I think 66 1 that, you know, that home needs repairs. 2 But this lady up and gave me her 3 house. Because one day I was on the list at 4 Comanche Housing, now I'm on 100 or something. 5 They're moving me back instead of forward, you 6 know. And -- 7 MR. COFFEY: That's through the 8 Housing Authority. But what you're talking about 9 maybe Willie -- 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: What I'm 11 talking about is I want that house fixed. 12 MR. COFFEY: You want EPA to look at 13 the problem you're having, right? That must be 14 done, and once it's done, we'll have to establish 15 the standards for it to be livable. And if it's 16 not, they may recommend it be demolished. We 17 don't know yet, it has to be assessed. How bad is 18 this mold, because it's going to affect. 19 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Oh, no, it 20 doesn't have mold. I'm talking about like the 21 roof. The roof needs to be fixed. We don't have 22 -- well, we have a front door, but you have to 23 have a padlock on it. 24 MR. COFFEY: It's not livable then, 25 right? 67 1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Not for my 2 daughter. 3 MR. COFFEY: It's not livable now, 4 right? 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, I'm 6 living there right now, I'm staying in it. 7 MR. COFFEY: Get with our 8 Administrator and he can work that out. I'm glad 9 you came by because that's very interesting. 10 MS. ISAAC: The Housing Program and 11 the HIP Program, people get everybody mixed up 12 with each other. Even John David, when I'm 13 talking to him, he'll say, "Oh, you know -- it's 14 just all so crazy. There's a lot of horror 15 stories out there. This HIP was supposed to 16 repair my home, and I have come to see y'all 17 before. And y'all said go to Johnny, so I went to 18 Johnny. And the people never have done what 19 they're supposed to do in these programs. So who 20 are we supposed to -- who's going to make it right 21 one of these days? They've never came back to my 22 house. 23 MR. COFFEY: Even at the Housing 24 Authority, they were giving monies or equipment or 25 supplies or whatever you may need. I don't know 68 1 if that was done. That was done through the 2 Tribe. 3 MS. ISAAC: No, the HIP Program. 4 When they were supposed to be repairing my house, 5 well, the guy was never there. He maybe came 30 6 minutes one day, and then the next week he'd come 7 an hour, next week after that he'd come -- and 8 then I complained to you guys and y'all said go to 9 Johnny. 10 MR. COFFEY: I don't remember you 11 complaining to us. 12 MS. ISAAC: I did. 13 MR. COFFEY: But still you'd have to 14 see Willie, because we don't get involved in that 15 decision making. That's a day-to-day decision 16 that they -- 17 MS. ISAAC: That's what I'm saying. 18 The Tribe is supposed to be over these programs. 19 The HIP Program needs to be run better than it's 20 run. When they start a job, they need to finish 21 it. And then they say they don't have any funds, 22 or "They can't pay me, so I can't come back." 23 That's what I was told by this one man that was 24 working on my house. And, you know, do you go to 25 you? Is that who you go to? Who do you go to? 69 1 MR. COFFEY: Sitting over there in 2 the white hat. The good guy over there in the 3 white hat. 4 MS. ISAAC: It was before his time. 5 MR. NELSON: What's your question, 6 Beverly? 7 MS. ISAAC: If he tries to straighten 8 up, will y'all let him straighten it up, because 9 it does need to be repaired? 10 MR. COFFEY: We haven't been 11 involved. In fact, that's why we're going to ask 12 you, do you recommend we pass this resolution? 13 MR. NELSON: Well, the consensus is, 14 whatever monies we can get guys, is good. But at 15 the same time, I think it's up to the seven, our 16 seven elected when it comes to do we go the 17 discretionary route, or just leave HIP by itself, 18 or bring them all together like we have them? 19 I'm looking over here at 20 Mr. Monassey. Mr. Monassey went and developed a 21 program, with my help, at HUD, and it worked. 22 That discretionary fund was kicking, it worked. 23 We helped a lot of people, it really did. 24 Mr. Chairman, and all you gentlemen, 25 you know, I don't -- you know, I just don't -- we 70 1 got three homes. Always remember, it's always 2 been three homes for the last -- Mr. Tippeconnie, 3 we talked about that, what, four years, the last 4 four years. It's been three homes. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Six. 6 MR. NELSON: Six. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Seven. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This resolution is 9 talking about the 638 program, you know, as you 10 were mentioning before, 638. And I think we're 11 also confusing it with the monies that we have 12 from Gaming. You know, this is an extension of a 13 contract, so we have a contract under the 638. So 14 it's talking about continuing through September on 15 that. 16 MR. NELSON: It's what they called a 17 total or we call reimbursement, a renewable. 18 MR. COFFEY: Okay. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Have we had our 20 motion? Call for the question. 21 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 22 I have to stop, because this is too much. Now, 23 I've come to you for help. First, I went to your 24 HIP Director. He said, "No, we don't build homes 25 anymore." I asked him how so and so got a home 71 1 built. Well, he went into this and so forth. 2 I talked to Mr. Tippeconnie, brought 3 that up. He said, "Well, that was done before I 4 was here." And these people need to know what 5 kind of runaround they're going to get. I've been 6 getting the runaround. So, okay, I go to you, 7 trying to get some kind of help, to get something 8 done. 9 MR. COFFEY: Did she get a trailer, 10 Lanny? 11 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I've been on 12 your agenda, I think, three times. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: No, we didn't get any. 14 MR. COFFEY: Really? 15 MR. ASEPERMY: No. 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And I tried to 17 call the HIP, and the HIP is telling me that 18 they're $50,000 in the red. And it's due to the 19 casinos six-figure salaries they're paying out. 20 No money is coming in. And I'm thinking, you 21 know, what is going on with my Tribe? So these 22 people need to understand, you know, I'm being 23 told $50,000 in the red, and HIP, they won't even 24 come in to do repairs or anything. So where is -- 25 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Tippeconnie, this 30 72 1 percent reduction, that affected HIP whereby some 2 of the workers were laid off? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The monies that 4 come from Gaming, yes, not the 638 money. The 638 5 money, that's Federal dollars. Then we have 6 tribal dollars that come from Gaming. The 7 equivalent monies were discounted like everyone's, 8 because we didn't have that kind of money coming 9 from Gaming. 10 MR. COFFEY: Coming from Gaming, 11 right. 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That's not 13 right. They're guaranteed their job, they're 14 actually getting some nice stipends. You know, 15 it's really a great compensation to up their 16 skills. It's a positive way of looking at things. 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: To help me, I 18 have placed where a home could be built there 19 where I could be around close -- a doctor and 20 whatever. I even brought a letter from my doctor 21 when I was put on the agenda. 22 MR. COFFEY: Have you talked to her, 23 Geneva -- 24 MR. NELSON: We sure have. Many 25 times, in fact. 73 1 MR. COFFEY: Well, what's your 2 recommendation, because she's asking something to 3 be done. Same way with Beverly. 4 MS. ISAAC: Mine was last July. And 5 the HIP Program supposedly had money. The people 6 were working, but they weren't working. They were 7 on the clock, but they weren't doing their job. I 8 complained to Johnny. "Well, it's not my place." 9 It's so stupid. 10 MR. NELSON: That is a question. We 11 need to be a service to our people. 12 MR. COFFEY: We don't have the 13 workers now, then, right? 14 MR. NELSON: Well, we don't have a -- 15 MS. ISAAC: Just fired the guys. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And we don't have 17 the money? 18 MR. COFFEY: We don't have the money. 19 MS. TAPTOE: There are three homes 20 that you're going on for the BIA. Please put me 21 on your list. I've been coming to you. So why 22 can't I -- you know, what more do I need to do? I 23 brought a letter in from my doctor. I'm way out 24 in the country. 25 MR. COFFEY: Was something done with 74 1 regard to her road, Will? 2 MR. OWENS: No, not yet. We're 3 working with the County Commissioner on that. The 4 problem is, she lives between two creeks. That's 5 -- it's always going to flood out there when it 6 rains like that. 7 We can put in, what I recommended is 8 a box culvert, concrete, but there's a lot of fill 9 that we have to fill in money-wise, a lot of 10 dirt. We don't have the dirt. We'd have to build 11 our -- almost a little bridge kind of, so if she 12 does -- it's just to get her out. It's not going 13 to solve any problems if she floods. Have you 14 ever flooded, Ms. Taptoe? 15 MS. TAPTOE: Yes. 16 MR. OWENS: That's just part of the 17 deal living by a creek. 18 MR. COFFEY: She had to be rescued by 19 boat at one time. So I think that should put a 20 priority with regard to her egress. 21 MR. NELSON: She does have one lot, 22 Mr. Chairman, in Walters. I don't know what 23 jurisdictional bounds we'd have in doing such a 24 thing. It is owned by you, right, Geneva? 25 MS. TAPTOE: Yes. 75 1 MR. OWENS: From a transportation 2 standpoint, I can't just go in there and work on 3 the road. I need permission from the County. 4 It's owned by the County. It's not a private 5 road, it's a public road. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Geneva, do you own 7 that home that you live in? 8 MS. TAPTOE: Yes. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Then why do you want 10 us to buy you another home? 11 MS. TAPTOE: Because of the living 12 conditions out in the country. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, why don't you 14 put your home up for sale, use the money and get 15 you a house? 16 MS. TAPTOE: Why should I? Why 17 should I when you have programs to supposedly help 18 people? 19 MR. ASEPERMY: So you're going to own 20 two homes? 21 MS. TAPTOE: Well, a lot of people 22 that -- this lady you built a home for, someone's 23 living in her house. You built her a new home. 24 So don't set standards with me when you've already 25 let all these things happen. 76 1 MR. COFFEY: What's your 2 recommendation? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Improvement is 4 difficult because we don't have that. But she's 5 talking about a new home. Her land is owned, it's 6 in fee, not in trust, in Walters. And the house 7 needs almost total repair, doesn't it? 8 MS. TAPTOE: Yes, it needs total 9 repairs. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, it needs 11 total repairs. So that's a question, you know. 12 So it's like you need to construct a new home, and 13 the home is on private land. So, see, that is a 14 different question. 15 Now, if it's a new home, Housing 16 should be trying to, you know, put it in their 17 priorities and look at that. That's -- home 18 building would be over there. 19 MR. COFFEY: I see what you mean. 20 MR. NELSON: John David, he did tell 21 me, this Obama stimulus money is for inventory 22 only, in his inventory. They'll make the 23 payments. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Houses that are 25 already on the -- 77 1 MR. NELSON: Right. In his inventory 2 only, so that's HUD. 3 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, but hers is not a 4 HUD home. 5 MR. NELSON: Now there is, and I was 6 telling Geneva about it -- the BIA, at one time, 7 they had their own separate HIP Program. And I 8 think they're bringing it back with this stimulus 9 money. Now, the allocation at that time was like 10 five per tribe. Perfect example: We've had two 11 Comanche members that had an actual home built by 12 the BIA. We had nothing to do with it. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But right now, it 14 seems like -- I've been trying to track that, too, 15 the HIP under the stimulus. The Cheyenne-Arapaho 16 has gotten a good part of that, and there's very 17 little coming for homes, very little coming, and 18 we're not in that. So it's just not available to 19 us right now. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: My understanding, in 21 2008, the BIA homes you're talking about, we have 22 an authorization or a -- up to five. Last year, 23 because of funding in 2008, they built two, 24 basically for single-family dwelling for a husband 25 and a wife or for a single person, they've only 78 1 built two. This year the BIA did not give the 2 Comanches -- they gave them zero. They said we're 3 not going to build you anything this year because 4 there's no funding. 5 MS. AITSON: Lanny, I know a lady in 6 Apache who got one of those new homes and she 7 doesn't pay any rent at all. And I never could 8 understand that. I've asked questions and no one 9 gives me an answer. I don't understand why she 10 would be eligible for a new home with no payment 11 and -- 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Are you talking about 13 at Comanche Estates east of town? 14 MS. AITSON: Yes, and she's the same 15 age as I am. I know she has money. She's worked 16 all her life. How in the world would a person 17 survive with no money? She put in papers to the 18 Housing, and I've talked to ladies that were on 19 the Board, and they said, "That's what she turned 20 in to us." 21 Well, you know what? There's ways of 22 proving this, because I've already questioned it 23 to a lot of other people. She does have an 24 income. How could people get by with something 25 like that? When I went to that discretionary 79 1 program, I needed a roof. They couldn't give me a 2 roof put on, because they said what they were 3 going to do to my house would cover the Creek 4 Housing. And then something like this happens, 5 and then the daughter-in-law works down there for 6 Housing, then her son gets a new roof put on this 7 house and he gets it renovated. 8 You know, there's things like this 9 that are slipping through everybody's fingers. 10 But we that really need it -- I'm a widow, I get 11 an income, but it's not riches, and I still get 12 turned down, you know. 13 Anthony can tell you how I argued 14 with them with that discretionary program and I 15 finally got something done. I got a new door. 16 And it was like, hey, fighting Congress to get a 17 new door put on my house. 18 MR. COFFEY: Well, let me say this: 19 Willie, Rudy came to the CBC, he presented us 20 packages with regard to the flood disaster that 21 happened. He recommended to us that we take 22 action with regard to that home. It's taken us a 23 while, but action was taken. And we haven't heard 24 from him with regard to any of these issues. He 25 hasn't come to us or to you with regard to Geneva 80 1 or Delores or Beverly. Is it because no money or 2 what? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Basically. 4 MR. NELSON: Yes, yes, and -- 5 MR. COFFEY: Yes. 6 MR. NELSON: For some reason, I don't 7 know, Robert and I have kind of -- 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We went through 9 this with Rudy. 10 MS. ISAAC: I think Rudy is spending 11 his money on certain people; and then like me, I 12 haven't even signed anything with him. Nothing. 13 Are they finished with me, are they coming back 14 one of these days, or are they coming when I'm not 15 home? They don't let me -- 16 MR. NELSON: I've asked them to be 17 here. 18 MS. TAPTOE: I brought this up to two 19 people and I was understanding of the situation 20 there, Rudy, with $50,000 in the red; and I 21 brought it up to two people I just thought knew, 22 and one of them said he's lying to you. She said 23 he's repaired his relatives' homes. And, well, 24 you know, maybe their home needed repair. 25 MR. COFFEY: I look at these three 81 1 individuals that fall into the Elder category, and 2 that's a priority. And that young lady that was 3 talking about her daughter and children, that's 4 another priority. 5 Those who have a substantial income, 6 you know, they're going to have to wait. That's 7 easy for us to make a decision, because the Elders 8 and our children come first. If you've got a 9 family situation, then that raises up their 10 eligibility. But it's all contingent upon the 11 amount of money that we get. 12 MS. TAPTOE: And right now, 13 Mr. Chairman, I have been in need, and he can tell 14 you -- the TA, and I called Rudy on this, too. 15 Who can help me get my lawn mowed? I'm out here 16 in the weeds. My lawn mower's broke. It needs a 17 new motor and I can't afford that. So he says -- 18 that's when he was telling me he was $50,000 in 19 the red. And he had no -- he couldn't do that, he 20 couldn't help me, or anything. 21 So that's when I came up to talk to 22 the TA. He tried to get someone out there to help 23 me. My grass, I mean it was tall. I was killing 24 snakes. It was that bad, that situation was that 25 bad. 82 1 MR. COFFEY: Do we have such a -- is 2 there somebody -- 3 MR. NELSON: Did we get it mowed, 4 Geneva? 5 MS. TAPTOE: Arlene -- I picked up 6 one of his handouts while I was here at the 7 complex. I saw they're going to help the Elders 8 with grass and that's wonderful. I was trying to 9 call her and she never returned my calls. No one 10 returns calls up here. 11 He did at -- he did return my call 12 and I couldn't believe it. When he called, he had 13 someone to cut my grass and he knew my situation. 14 The grass is tall. And he said Arlene had small 15 lawn mowers, but they're the students. And, so 16 anyway -- 17 MR. COFFEY: Didn't we at one time 18 have somebody mowing lawns? 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, Care Givers 20 Program. 21 MS. TAPTOE: A neighbor came down and 22 I was talking to him and he was looking at my 23 yard. I was telling him my problem. I was 24 telling him I'm trying to get help from the 25 Tribe. He said, "Geneva, my son will be here 83 1 Friday morning," and I didn't know whether to 2 believe him or not. He did show. He came with 3 his riding mower and he mowed my grass with his 4 friend, a classmate. They mowed my grass, because 5 he just saw what the situation was. I told him, I 6 said, "I can't even get help from my Tribe." It 7 just kept growing, the rain kept coming, it kept 8 growing. 9 MR. COFFEY: And it's not going to go 10 away. And it's not going to happen tomorrow, 11 because we don't have the money, right? 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: There are some 13 people mowing grass. But talking about the home, 14 yeah, that's a difficult one. 15 MS. ISAAC: The Tribe put together a 16 program, bought equipment for this one -- this 17 family to go mow grass. And after that one 18 summer, they quit just because we bought them 19 equipment and they had everything they needed. I 20 thought that was going to be a business for those 21 boys to mow grass. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: When was this? 23 MS. ISAAC: About two years ago. And 24 I don't want to say the family's name, they might 25 be here, but they always get -- the same family 84 1 always gets the home, the monies from that 2 business, or whoever was giving money away at the 3 time. But this is what I'm talking about. The 4 problems aren't going away. 5 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, that's what I'm 6 saying. 7 MS. ISAAC: You've got Mr. Orme 8 talking about this, you got everybody talking 9 about it, and the problems are still here from 10 10 years ago, same issues. 11 MR. COFFEY: Yes, way back there? 12 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I believe one 13 source of money would be people that didn't 14 qualify but received help from HIP or the Housing 15 Authority. Because I think that could be paid 16 back, because they didn't qualify. 17 But we need authorization to go in 18 there and make sure, you know, everything is in 19 compliance. And those that are not will have to 20 pay it back. I think that's how it works. 21 But, anyway -- and then when they 22 give that money to help people that really need it 23 and are qualified. I think we need to include the 24 Housing Authority with the HIP Program and to get 25 investigated. You know, get forensic evidence and 85 1 make sure everybody's in compliance that meets 2 income or whatever. And if they're owing, then we 3 can get that money back. I know there's statutes 4 of limitation and all that. 5 MR. COFFEY: You now see the 6 complications that you have to deal with on a 7 day-to-day basis. It becomes multiple because of 8 the dollars that are available. Over the years, 9 this Committee pays a lot of attention to the 10 Administrator's roll when it comes to budgeting 11 and putting items on the budget for the Tribe to 12 vote on. And this year, maybe you ought to -- 13 when the next budget hearings come about, 14 recommend that Housing Improvement get a 15 tremendous amount of dollars from our Gaming 16 operation so these matters can be done. 17 MS. ISAAC: Mr. Chairman, the monies 18 aren't going to make a difference if it's the 19 employees who make the decisions. 20 MS. TAPTOE: That's true. 21 MS. ISAAC: They always favor certain 22 people, and it's not right. 23 MR. COFFEY: Yes, sir? 24 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, on this 25 resolution we're talking about, 88-09, is it going 86 1 to cost the Tribe any money? 2 MR. COFFEY: No. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's Federal money. 4 MR. NARCOMEY: Well, let's call for 5 the question. 6 MR. COFFEY: Clyde, did you make the 7 motion to approve? 8 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes, sir. 9 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Asepermy, you 10 second? 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 12 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 13 Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve Resolution 14 Number 88-09. A second has been made by 15 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. Any discussion? 16 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by saying 17 "aye." 18 (Aye.) 19 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 20 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 21 carried. 22 Resolution Number 89-09 -- 23 MS. TOYEKOYAH: I apologize for 24 interrupting you, but I was wondering is there any 25 way that I can go ahead and talk about my issue? 87 1 My children are getting hungry and I would like to 2 go ahead and leave. 3 MR. COFFEY: Sandra, is this 4 something you can come and ask the Administrator? 5 MS. TOYEKOYAH: I'm not sure the 6 water park is underneath the Administrator, is 7 it? 8 MR. COFFEY: Ms. Nelson. 9 MS. TAPTOE: This is who you should 10 have address this, right here. 11 MS. TOYEKOYAH: Well, she already 12 told me there are no discounts for our Comanche 13 children at the water park. 14 MR. COFFEY: Is that what you're 15 asking for? 16 MS. TOYEKOYAH: Yes. All Comanche 17 children have to pay $69 a piece. So, I'm just -- 18 you know, we were able to free up money for some 19 things, we're able to give free rides at the 20 Comanche Nation Fair to all children. I just 21 would like some kind of help for our children to 22 get water park passes. 23 That gets them off the street, that 24 gives them some place where, you know, they can 25 find $1 to get to the water park to catch the bus, 88 1 but to pay for a water park pass for the whole 2 summer is very, very difficult, and it's really 3 difficult for those of us who have more than one 4 or two grandchildren and children. 5 I've heard that -- I went there to 6 talk about -- to ask someone what it costs for the 7 water park passes, and the girl told me that 8 employees get them for $25. So I'm not sure -- I 9 just would like some kind of -- something for all 10 Comanche children that show up with a CDIB card. 11 These children are our future. We 12 want to keep them off the street as much as 13 possible. We're able to help other programs. I 14 know this Committee, as you just got through 15 saying, freed up $100,000 to help with the 16 Revolving Loan. 17 MR. COFFEY: Well, I think this is 18 the first time we've heard this, and I think it's 19 something that we need to determine and discuss, 20 because I go to a Tribe like the Shakopee Tribe in 21 Minnesota. On gasoline at their stations, they 22 get a quarter discount per gallon, tribal 23 members. And somewhere along the line, we need to 24 make that kind of decision for our Tribal members; 25 not just the water park, but other enterprises 89 1 that are owned by the Comanche Nation, and maybe 2 look at some discounts for Tribal membership if 3 they shop at this location. 4 I've been wanting to do a Sam's Club 5 here for the longest time. Trying to get other 6 Indian tribes to have one central warehouse and 7 have a Sam's Club, Indian Sam's club in Ada, one 8 in Tulsa, one in Ponca City, one in Clinton, one 9 in Lawton, where your CDIB card will allow you to 10 have tax-free purchases from groceries, to 11 hardware, to televisions, to stuff like that. 12 Because I think -- I think we're 13 living at a time when we need to think about the 14 income problems that are -- the recession problems 15 that we're having. And, sure, the water park is 16 entertainment. At this point, Delphine is in the 17 business of making a profit. And nobody's brought 18 a discount plan to us. 19 MS. TOYEKOYAH: But it doesn't make a 20 profit, does it, the water park? 21 MS. NELSON: Yes, it does. 22 MS. TOYEKOYAH: How much does it 23 make? 24 MS. NELSON: We've taken out of -- 25 people say the Economic Development is not giving 90 1 anything back to the Tribe. In the last two 2 years, we've given over a million dollars back to 3 the Tribe by taking the funeral home off of the 4 General Council, and Also Taking the Water Park 5 Off the General Council budget. Summer youth 6 right now, this provides jobs for them where there 7 otherwise wouldn't be. We also have Nations of 8 Fun that is open. 9 MR. COFFEY: How is that doing? 10 MS. NELSON: That right now has an 80 11 percent Comanche employment. 12 MR. COFFEY: How is that doing right 13 now? 14 MS. NELSON: It's doing well, it's 15 doing well. So we've been in operation right at 16 five months. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Delphine, would you 18 consider a possible discount like we get at the 19 visitor's center because we're Numunuu? You know, 20 on our children, and they get 10 or 15 percent? 21 MS. NELSON: I figured it up, Lanny. 22 There's 14,000-some-odd Comanches, considering the 23 new enrollment. Half of those, 6,000 live within 24 this area. 25 MS. TOYEKOYAH: No, it's not 6,000. 91 1 MS. NELSON: You eliminate the three 2 year olds because three and under get in free. 62 3 and over, you get in free. If we provided passes, 4 or this Business Committee provided discounted 5 passes, it would be in the neighborhood of 6 $400,000. That's a discount. That's every Tribal 7 member who lives in this area. That's close to 8 $400,000. 9 MS. TOYEKOYAH: We're talking about 10 children. Children don't go everyday, children go 11 once a year. 12 MS. NELSON: Season passes, that's 13 $400,000 in season passes. That's for every 14 Tribal member -- that's just counting the Tribal 15 members that live in this area. 16 MR. COFFEY: Well, I appreciate you 17 bringing this to our attention. It's something 18 that we do need to discuss. And I think we need 19 to talk amongst ourselves, because our Tribal 20 members have to pay the funeral home if they go 21 over the allocation amount, and I'm thinking that 22 we need to talk about that, too. 23 MS. TOYEKOYAH: That's wrong, too. 24 Go ahead, I'm sorry. 25 MS. ISAAC: This subject has been 92 1 brought up before Delphine last year. We asked 2 her if we could get a discount, and I said because 3 once we get in there, even if you give them a 4 discount, you know the kids are going to spend 5 money. We're going to buy food, we're going to -- 6 we're going to pay for that discount you gave us. 7 Just getting in there, you're going 8 to make some money. If you give us a discount, 9 you're going to make some money. Most of us can't 10 go because, you know, we can't pay my way, three 11 or four or five -- 12 MR. NARCOMEY: That's what I was 13 going to say. I agree with her, because once the 14 kids get in there, they're going to spend money on 15 food and stuff like that. 16 MR. COFFEY: And we're all going to 17 die. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: I think we just need 19 to talk about it. 20 MR. COFFEY: We do need to talk bout 21 it amongst ourselves, yeah. 22 MS. NELSON: And I'll take it to the 23 Board. 24 MR. COFFEY: Very good. 25 MS. NELSON: I'll take it to the 93 1 Commissioners. 2 MR. COFFEY: Yes, sir, back there? 3 MR. MAHSEET: Mr. Chairman, when the 4 water park first opened, the Tribe contracted to 5 operate it back in the '90s. My brother managed 6 it. And at that time, he did a Native American 7 Day in which he had a powwow and let all tribes in 8 free. I don't know if it was all tribes or 9 Comanches, but they did a powwow, one-day powwow. 10 He said that was the biggest revenue day of the 11 year that they had at the water park, and he was 12 letting Indians in free. So, you know, sometimes 13 these marketing things, you don't understand why 14 they work, but he said that was his biggest day 15 that he had, and I just wanted to say that. 16 MR. COFFEY: I'm glad you did bring 17 that up, because -- 18 MS. TOYEKOYAH: I think that they 19 need to get in free, if you really want to know 20 the truth. These are our Comanche kids. Their 21 money has gone in to take care of that water park, 22 to keep it running. It doesn't make a profit. It 23 doesn't make very much of a profit, if it does. 24 And that's just sad, because we all -- as parents, 25 we all spend money once the kids get in there. 94 1 MS. ISAAC: Another thing I would 2 like to add to that is, there's an employee there 3 -- we always know somebody, right? Everybody 4 knows somebody. There's an employee there that 5 gets her relatives in free. Why is she letting 6 her relatives get in free? 7 MS. TOYEKOYAH: I was standing there 8 when -- "Who let them in?" "They're my 9 friends" -- 10 MS. NELSON: Beverly, I would like 11 their names. Because we -- if you're going to 12 make those accusations, I would like their names 13 and we will address that. 14 MR. COFFEY: I would, too. 15 MS. TOYEKOYAH: If our employees get 16 in for $25 and give them passes, why can't you 17 give our children a discount? 18 MS. NELSON: The people who work 19 there do get a discount, they get a discount. If 20 you're going to make those accusations, I'd like 21 their names and we will address that. 22 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, I think that's 23 something we need to talk, about, too. Because, I 24 mean, there's ways that we can look at discounts 25 with regard to gasoline discounts for Tribal 95 1 membership because of the recession that we're 2 going through. I think discounts are necessary 3 and I think they're very important. And if we had 4 a grocery store on Tribal land, it would be tax 5 free. 6 MS. AITSON: I want to say something 7 on discounts. It wasn't a discount, but I had 8 asked for gas to go to my doctor's appointment in 9 Oklahoma City because I had to be at a certain 10 place at a certain time. And I was told at the 11 very last minute that I had to have paperwork. 12 "You have to have this, you have to have that." 13 My word should be good enough if I'm ill and I 14 know I need to be at a doctor's appointment in 15 Oklahoma City. You know yourself that's 16 important. Well, I was turned down for gas. 17 MR. NELSON: On that note, 18 Mr. Chairman, Mr. Tippeconnie and I, we have 19 looked at this kind of software. It's called 20 Tribal Government. It's more or less an intake 21 process. Just like in Delores' case, any Tribal 22 member's case, their information is there. They 23 just bring their situation, then we go through the 24 steps there. Streamline, rather than intake, 25 intake, intake. Because sometimes they just can't 96 1 do it. Sometimes they can't jump through hoops. 2 So the intake process is just bring the situation 3 and it's already in the system. 4 MR. COFFEY: Okay. That's something 5 we need to talk about amongst ourselves. And as 6 Delphine says, she's going to take it to her board 7 and then she'll come back to us. But with you, I 8 think we need to talk about this other thing, too, 9 because this recession is affecting us, believe 10 me. 11 MS. ISAAC: And another thing -- I 12 think, I was listening right. When you're a 13 diabetic, you're a diabetic. Why do you have to 14 go to the hospital every time it comes -- like if 15 I wanted shoes, I have to go back over there one 16 year. Then the next year, I have to go back over 17 there. Every time we want something, we have to 18 bring permission or whatever they want to call it 19 back to the diabetic clinic. I mean once you're 20 diagnosed, you're diagnosed. They should keep 21 that on file and that's it. 22 MR. NELSON: I agree with Beverly. 23 MS. ISAAC: But we have to go back to 24 the hospital and bring that. 25 MS. TAPTOE: About the hospital, 97 1 could I ask Mr. Tippeconnie, would you check to 2 see just how much was given to the Indian 3 Hospital? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: How much the Tribe 5 has given? 6 MS. TAPTOE: Yes, I would like to 7 know that. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: We haven't given them 9 nothing, have we? 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We haven't given 11 any assistance. This year, we haven't. 12 MS. TAPTOE: But you have given it. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: In the past, we 14 did. 15 MR. COFFEY: That's why we decided to 16 administer our own prescription assistance 17 program. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We brought it over 19 to the Tribe. Prior years, it was given to the 20 hospital. Now it's a prescription service at the 21 Tribe. 22 MS. TAPTOE: And when you give money 23 to the Tribe, did you know how it was used? 24 MR. COFFEY: When they give it to the 25 hospital, it was used for medications. Committee, 98 1 I think we need to move along. 2 89-09 resolution: "Whereas, the 3 Comanche Nation wishes to enter into a Public Law 4 638 Construction Contract with the BIA, Southern 5 Plains Regional Office (SPRO) for the replacement 6 of wooden structured bridge, Bridge Number 14016, 7 with a 200 foot concrete beam bridge, located on 8 Bishop Road south-east of Lawton, Comanche County 9 Eastern District, Oklahoma. 10 "Now therefore be it resolved that, 11 the Comanche Nation Business Committee hereby 12 authorizes the Comanche Nation Transportation 13 Department to apply stimulus monies, ARRA 14 (American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009) 15 and enter into a PL-638 Construction Contract with 16 the BIA (SPRO) for the replacement of an outdated 17 bridge with a new and safer concrete-structured 18 beam bridge." 19 Is that correct? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 21 MR. COFFEY: Do we have a motion to 22 approve? 23 MR. ASEPERMY: I make that motion. 24 MR. NARCOMEY: Second, Mr. Chairman. 25 It's not going to cost us anything, is it? 99 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 2 MR. OWENS: No, the ARRA money has a 3 deadline of February 17th, 2010. It's a ready-to- 4 go project. That has to be -- already be passed 5 design. The county designed it. And, 6 unfortunately, there was a death on it last year, 7 so it kind of got bumped up. It has no 8 guardrails, it's a bus route, mail route, what 9 have you, and a lot of Comanche properties are 10 around that. 11 MR. COFFEY: Motion has been made by 12 Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. Second has been made 13 by Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve 14 Resolution Number 89-09. Do we have any further 15 discussion, Committee? Hearing none, all those in 16 favor signify by saying "aye." 17 (Aye.) 18 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 19 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 20 carried. 21 Resolution Number 90-09, "Whereas, 22 the U.S. Department of Education, Office of 23 Special Education and Rehabilitative Service has 24 the availability of funding for FY 2009, and 25 "Whereas, the Comanche Nation 100 1 recognizes the dire need for the Comanche Nation 2 Vocational Rehabilitation Program for American 3 Indians with disabilities in the Comanche service 4 area (historic 'Kiowa, Comanche and Apache' 5 reservation) 6 "Now therefore be it resolved, the 7 Comanche Nation Business Committee, governing body 8 of the Nation, authorizes the submittal of this 9 grant application to the U.S. Department of 10 Education and does accept the responsibility for 11 fiscal accountability for the program as written; 12 and 13 "Be it further resolved, the Comanche 14 Nation will be responsible for submission of the 15 proposal and continued implementation of the grant 16 program as designed; and 17 "Be it finally resolved, the Chairman 18 of the Comanche Nation will sign all documents, 19 which are required for final submittal for the 20 program. During the implementation of the grant 21 program, the Chairman of the Comanche Nation will 22 sign reports and other routine written work." 23 Do we have a motion to approve? 24 MR. ASEPERMY: I make that motion, 25 Mr. Chairman. 101 1 MR. NARCOMEY: Second, Mr. Chairman. 2 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 3 by Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. A second has been 4 made by Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to approve 5 Resolution Number 90-09. Do we have any 6 discussion? 7 MR. ASEPERMY: This is just a -- on 8 all grants, if I'm not mistaken, this is the 9 procedure. It has to be signed for final 10 submission by the Chairman? 11 MR. COFFEY: Correct. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Call for the question. 13 MR. COFFEY: Question has been called 14 for. All those in favor signify by saying "aye." 15 (Aye.) 16 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 17 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 18 carried. 19 This one, Resolution 91-09, "A 20 Resolution of the Comanche Business Committee 21 Ratifying Execution of Lease and Non-Disturbance 22 and Attornment Agreement for Office Space for 23 Historic Preservation Office. 24 "Whereas, the ownership of the 25 building in which the Historic Preservation Office 102 1 is located will be transferred to another person 2 in the near future requiring the timely execution 3 by the Chairman on June 2, 2009, of a Non- 4 Disturbance and Attornment Agreement, in order for 5 the Nation to be dismissed from a foreclosure suit 6 and to assure continued occupancy of said premises 7 by the Historic Preservation Office for as long as 8 the bank has control of property. 9 "Now therefore be it resolved that, 10 finding it furthers the interest of the Nation, 11 the CBC hereby ratifies the execution of the Lease 12 of office space for Comanche Nation Historic 13 Preservation Office by the Tribal Administrator 14 and the execution of a SAND Agreement by the 15 Chairman concerning the continuation of said 16 Lease." 17 We talked about this this morning. 18 I'll entertain a motion to approve. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'd like to make 20 one comment, but maybe that can follow the motion. 21 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: I'll make the 23 motion, Mr. Chairman. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Second. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And my comment 103 1 would be: In the "Whereas" before the "Now, 2 therefore", I would like to see inserted there 3 "City National Bank" instead of just "the bank." 4 I'd like to see the name. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: The ownership of the 6 building? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As long as City 8 National Bank has control of the property. See, 9 we're working with City National Bank. 10 MR. COFFEY: Any objections to that, 11 Darrell, since you made the motion? 12 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: No, that's fine. 13 MR. COFFEY: How about you, Lanny? 14 MR. ASEPERMY: No. 15 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 16 to approve Resolution Number 91-09 with the 17 exception of inclusion where it says "bank," "City 18 National Bank has control of property." A second 19 has been made by Committeeman Lanny Asepermy. Any 20 further discussion, Committee? Hearing none, all 21 those in favor signify by saying "aye." 22 (Aye.) 23 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 24 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion 25 carried. 104 1 Resolution Number 92-09. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Mr. Chairman, before 3 we go into that, I'd like to request a 10-minute 4 break, and also -- 5 MR. COFFEY: Can this be put into 6 executive session? 7 MR. ASEPERMY: I'd like to see the 8 two options. 9 MR. COFFEY: Okay. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: You have two options, 11 right, on this resolution? 12 MR. BURSON: No, it's in the act. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: You have two options 14 on the act, right? 15 MR. BURSON: Right. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: I'd like to take a 17 break, and I'd like two put this in executive 18 session so we can review, again, both options. 19 MR. COFFEY: Committee, we have a 20 significant amount of people who want to visit 21 with us regarding old business and new business. 22 Let's take a 10-minute break and then we'll go 23 into our new and old business. 24 MS. TAPTOE: I may have to leave. 25 Mr. Chairman, before you go on a break. I missed 105 1 the first part of the meeting, and I understand 2 they asked Ronald if he had anything to say. 3 Ronald, I just want to say I appreciate this add 4 that you put in the paper. And I didn't really 5 understand some of the issues, what you're talking 6 about, and I was hoping you would have come to 7 Walters when they had the meeting for the 8 candidates, but you didn't come. 9 MR. REDELK: I didn't know about it. 10 MS. TAPTOE: Oh, well. Anyway, I was 11 hoping you would have been there. What I wanted 12 to ask you about, millions of dollars in 13 lawsuits. What are you talking about? 14 MR. REDELK: There were two lawsuits 15 that were settled with the Nation. One was 49 LLC 16 and the other one was CDST. They were dealing 17 with breaking contracts with vendors at the Red 18 River Casino. 19 MS. TAPTOE: And this has cost us a 20 lot of money? 21 MR. REDELK: Right. 22 MS. TAPTOE: Right. I haven't been 23 keeping up with a lot of things that's been going 24 on in the Tribe. So when you were saying CDST, 25 I've got the handouts that -- got for the last two 106 1 years there that the attorneys handed out, and 2 this one settlement of the lawsuit was with Red 3 River? 4 MR. REDELK: Right. 5 MS. TAPTOE: And what was that for? 6 MR. REDELK: Breach of contract, 7 basically. The chairman at that time did not hold 8 up to their agreement, and -- 9 MS. TAPTOE: So we're paying them, 10 right? 11 MR. REDELK: We have paid and we're 12 paying. 13 MS. TAPTOE: We're still paying? 14 MR. REDELK: Right. 15 MS. TAPTOE: I called 16 Mr. Tippeconnie. Did you check into that for me? 17 I was told we were paying 80,000 plus each month 18 on the settlement. Was I wrong or what? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're trying to 20 remember the figures. Do you remember the -- 21 MR. NARCOMEY: How much. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Do you remember the 23 figures? 24 MR. BURSON: That's about right. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, I think it 107 1 was about that. That's not exact, but it's -- 2 MS. TAPTOE: Close. Okay. And this 3 is regard -- the Tribe is paying this -- the 4 people, the vendor that had the machines in 5 there. We lost that lawsuit or we settled it? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We settled it. 7 MS. TAPTOE: For a dollar amount of 8 how much? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Which one? 10 MR. REDELK: One was for five and the 11 other -- the 49 LLC was for 5 million, and the 12 CDST was for 7 or 8 million. 13 MS. TAPTOE: Oh, that's a shame. 14 MR. REDELK: It's worse than that. 15 MS. TAPTOE: I know. That's why I 16 just appreciated your add that you put in there, 17 and I just wanted to ask you more about it. And 18 this is why we need to understand, Tribal members, 19 that we need good people in here working for our 20 Tribe. 21 You know, when you have a situation 22 such as that, you look at management. There's a 23 problem there. Evidently we still have the same 24 manager over our casinos, Tabbytite, and so 25 something is wrong. And why aren't you people 108 1 addressing this? And when I have a HIP Director 2 say, "Well, I'm $50,000 in the red because the 3 money's not coming in". Okay. We've got a 4 problem there. And I told you about that, too. I 5 talked to you about it, because that bothered me. 6 You know, this is part of your 7 responsibility. You should somehow -- not only 8 you, but all of them should be monitoring all of 9 this. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, you know, 11 Geneva, the CBC meets regularly with Gaming 12 monthly. And I have done more than that, 13 individually, with Mr. Tabbytite and his staff on 14 their budgets, and how monies are coming in, and 15 how it's being spent. 16 So I'd like to say this body here, 17 all of us, we're closer to it than I think 18 previous circumstances. So we're very attentive 19 to it. You know, anything that arises now, 20 questions are made, raised by this body pretty 21 regularly, so we're very close to what's going on 22 now. I feel that the efficiency and the 23 effectiveness is being ordered, so to say, so to 24 speak, telling the Gaming Board and Gaming staff, 25 you know, to be efficient, be effective, and we're 109 1 looking at that, and we're looking at it 2 regularly. 3 MS. TAPTOE: They should be 4 tightening their belt down there. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: As an example, we 6 raised a question about operating costs, you know, 7 reduce your operating costs. They're working on 8 reducing operating costs. That's the cost to run. 9 MS. TAPTOE: They should have been 10 doing that a long time ago. When Tabbytite 11 brought in what we were going to get per cap, it 12 was about 1.6 million less than last year. 13 Someone should have saw something is wrong going 14 on. We need to start looking over there and 15 making adjustments. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, you know, 17 there's other factors in play here. One of them 18 is the economy. 19 MS. TAPTOE: I understand all of 20 that. 21 *MR. TIPPECONNIE: So when you have 22 less monies coming -- or less play, you have less 23 money, so you have to live on budgets. Again, 24 see, we are living on money that comes in. It's 25 not money out of the sky, it's money coming in. 110 1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Our casinos 2 are so far behind all the other casinos. People 3 have to wait in line, wait in line, and they get 4 tired of waiting in line every night so they just 5 go to other casinos and play. Now, the boys can't 6 even play down there, or the families can't play 7 down there either. There's a new policy. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You know, I can't 9 speak to everything that's going on there because 10 we're not into the operations. We really look at 11 it and say, "Let's do better." 12 I have to say this: The Gaming is 13 looking at enhancing the facilities, how it looks, 14 and getting on top of customer satisfaction, you 15 know. They're working on that. 16 MS. TAPTOE: But this should have 17 been started before you came in. 18 MR. REDELK: Geneva, it started about 19 a decade ago. This body, 10 years ago and longer 20 than that, did not do their job. They should have 21 been ran out of office back, way back then. We've 22 been -- this body's been working with lack of 23 audits since '05. That whole body should have 24 been run off, but they weren't. They didn't take 25 care of business. That's why it cost us not only 111 1 that $12 million or $13 million, but it also cost 2 us monies that were not taken care of because of 3 IRS, because of -- 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Taxes, yeah. 5 MR. REDELK: -- because of taxes that 6 were not paid in. This body was responsible back 7 then. 8 The audit on the enrollment -- and 9 some members say that I didn't make a good running 10 because I voted people out of -- on enrollment. 11 Well, that issue was this sitting CBC back then 12 that made decisions to bring illegal enrollment 13 into play. It happened 10 years ago with what 14 we've been dealing with since the year-and-a-half 15 that I've been on. 16 MS. TAPTOE: And these individuals 17 that were put off the roll. 18 MR. REDELK: And this body will have 19 to continue to deal with this. 20 MS. TAPTOE: The people that were put 21 on the roll, somebody gave them that order to put 22 them on the roll at that time. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: The sitting CBC at the 24 time. 25 MS. AITSON: But there's CBC records 112 1 here, and they have signed some of those papers, 2 and they're still denying that they had anything 3 to do with it. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: With one. 5 MS. TAPTOE: Anyway, my concern is 6 with our loss at the casinos. We're being told 7 there's a great loss, and then that bothered me, 8 you know, when this Tax Committee person said, 9 "Well, did you know we're paying 80-something plus 10 every month?" And I know I didn't know that, 11 because I haven't been coming. You know, I 12 haven't been coming to these meetings, or not that 13 up on our Tribal affairs anymore, but this is bad. 14 This is really bad. And I disagree with you, 15 Ronald. 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: 17 Mr. Tippeconnie, why are we being allowed to still 18 vote for an imaginary budget whenever, for the 19 last three years, we've been coming to this same 20 problem? We're not having this -- you know, 21 everybody wants to gripe about the $3 million that 22 isn't there. Why are we being still allowed to 23 vote for a budget that's not even going to be 24 there? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, we have 113 1 another option. We could vote for the money that 2 we have, which is very little. But what we're 3 trying to say is that we have confidence in the 4 fact that we're earning money every month. Yes, 5 we're basing it on a dream, so to speak. 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, 7 shouldn't we set it at an amount that we know for 8 a fact that we're going to get? And then if we go 9 20 million over, then good, we're overboard. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, if you look 11 at 2010, the one we just approved, all the General 12 Council voted on and approved, that's down. So we 13 work with Gaming to say, "What is the best that we 14 can put in play?" Because we don't want to make 15 these adjustments, all these -- so this upcoming 16 budget, unless the body just blows -- 17 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: If nobody's saying 18 anything about the 3 million, then nothing will be 19 done. If you want to know something about that 3 20 million -- because we'll lose more money in the 21 future. Nobody brings it up. 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: We live paycheck 23 to paycheck, which is a horrible way to live. 24 Ideally, it would be nice to set aside money every 25 month or every year, that way at some point we're 114 1 living right on budget with what we have sitting 2 in the bank, but we're not there. 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How much 4 longer do we have to pay on this $89,000 a month? 5 How much longer? 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Clyde, what was it, 7 2010? 8 MR. NARCOMEY: I think it's one more 9 year. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: One more year to 11 go, one more year. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't know what 13 month in 2010. 14 MS. TAPTOE: What I also need to 15 bring up is the individual that brought this 16 about, why are we still letting people run for 17 office that caused this hardship on us? 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, you know, 19 every one has a right to run for office. 20 MS. TAPTOE: I agree. But you should 21 be more open about all this that is going on so 22 that people will be aware of all of this. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, what you're 24 saying is more information we should be giving 25 out? 115 1 MS. TAPTOE: Yes, yes. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And we agree. 3 We're talking about that more and more. We 4 feel -- just like Mr. Asepermy would like the Tax 5 Commission to give reports, the Gaming -- all of 6 us need to do better. I agree, all of us. And we 7 need to get into that habit of giving us 8 information more regularly. 9 MS. TAPTOE: Well, again, I 10 appreciate Ronald's article. And I just wished he 11 could have said more. I wished he could have come 12 to Walters. 13 MR. REDELK: I'm a man of few words. 14 MS. TAPTOE: I agree with what he's 15 been saying. It's been going on too long, too 16 long. 17 MS. ISAAC: Now you talk, after the 18 fact. 19 MS. TAPTOE: And I just -- I'd like 20 to know one other thing: In our 2009 proposed 21 budget, for stipends, did you actually use 22 $108,000? We know it was in that budget. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: And we're not using 24 it. We're not -- the constitution only allows 25 this body to get one stipend a month at 250, and 116 1 that's all they're getting. 2 MS. TAPTOE: Even though it was voted 3 on? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, we're not 5 doing that. 6 MS. TAPTOE: Because I vote 7 absentee. I got a copy of my absentee ballot. 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: On this present, 9 but on the 2010, you see that it isn't there. 250 10 for each of them. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: 18,000. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, 18,000. 13 MS. TAPTOE: And I don't know how 14 that happened, but I just hope -- I just pray that 15 we have an honest election this year. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Where's Charles? I 17 make a motion we take a 15-minute break. 18 (Break held.) 19 MR. COFFEY: Ken, you said you had 20 something you wanted to share? 21 MR. GOODIN: In executive session. 22 MR. COFFEY: Delores, did you want to 23 talk to us about your granddaughter? 24 MS. AITSON: Yes. I would like to 25 say what I have so I can get out of y'all's way. 117 1 MR. COFFEY: Okay. You're first. 2 MS. AITSON: First of all, I wanted 3 to ask on the new business, are y'all ever going 4 to talk amongst yourselves -- maybe you already 5 have -- and come up with a voting time on that -- 6 have an open enrollment? I know you had mentioned 7 it one time. And it has to be voted on at the 8 General Council. 9 MR. COFFEY: This Committee has never 10 addressed that. 11 MS. AITSON: Well, you're the one 12 that said y'all needed to do that. That's the 13 only way that these people can get back on that 14 are older. 15 But on my granddaughter's request, 16 she received her soccer stipend. She got that. 17 But what's her name? Nicole was supposed to give 18 you a notation of the basketball -- a copy of the 19 basketball thing. That has to be paid. That 20 check -- I think Mr. Tippeconnie knows that it was 21 250 that had been approved. She got half of that 22 and the other half goes for her basketball. So 23 it's 2 -- 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So what you're 25 asking for is the balance of the 250? 118 1 MS. AITSON: Yes, yes. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Is there a document in 3 here or formal request? 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Nicole usually puts 5 that -- 6 MR. COFFEY: It was previously acted 7 on. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: What did we approve 9 her for? So you're asking for the balance -- 10 you're asking for an additional 250? 11 MS. AITSON: Nicole said that it 12 was -- had already been mentioned, and she had a 13 little yellow paper that she was going to stick to 14 the agenda thing for you guys. And she said then, 15 you know, "They'll meet on that the 6th and then 16 you just come. I'll call you from the office and 17 let you know that it got approved, and all Ashley 18 has to do is come up here and sign," because she 19 signs on her own. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What it was, 21 initially, when it came forward, the CBC approved 22 250. That's all they approved. But the request 23 that you're saying had an additional basketball? 24 MS. AITSON: Yeah, because she didn't 25 have that basketball paper to attach that day. 119 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: See, we didn't have 2 that. So when we approved it, it was only the 3 250. So this is additional request on basketball. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the 5 granddaughter's name? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It would be $500 if 7 we did it. We only approved 250. 8 MS. AITSON: And she signed for her 9 check. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the 11 granddaughter's name? Ashley -- 12 MS. AITSON: Mithlo. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: And we approved 250 14 for soccer, and you're asking for $250 -- 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So it's an 16 additional request. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Robert, does that meet 18 the criteria? 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, you know, 20 when it goes to individuals, our criteria is that 21 whatever we give in this fund, it should serve the 22 Nation as a whole, like if the person was a star, 23 becoming really well known, you know, they 24 publicize good for the Nation, not just 25 themselves. So if it's just a family or just an 120 1 individual, we have not been approving those. If 2 it's just one individual and it's for their 3 personal interest, it doesn't meet our criteria. 4 Because that could be endless. Everybody could 5 come in and say -- 6 MS. AITSON: Well, she was one of the 7 star players. That's why she was picked, selected 8 to represent the camp, to ask if she could afford 9 to represent, you know, the basketball camp. All 10 y'all told me was to bring the copy showing the 11 basketball camp dates and all that. That's all I 12 brought. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Now, when she gets 14 in there, is there any way its publicized as 15 Comanche in the camp? 16 MS. AITSON: I can, I can request 17 that. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If it's individual, 19 we can request that. 20 MS. AITSON: So you're telling me 21 she's still not approved? So I just want a yea or 22 a nay, it's that simple. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, yeah. You're 24 hearing what she's saying. 25 MR. COFFEY: Well, we need that 121 1 document to justify the disbursement. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: We don't have -- I 3 don't see nothing on the camp. Apparently you 4 provided the information for the soccer. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: When is the camp, 6 Delores? 7 MS. AITSON: I believe it's in 8 August. The soccer is in July. 9 MR. COFFEY: Okay, that one's in 10 August. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Can you bring that 12 to us -- 13 MS. AITSON: The paper that shows 14 it? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: -- for the next 16 meeting? 17 MR. COFFEY: Or bring it to him. 18 MS. AITSON: I already gave it to 19 Nicole and what's her name, Cathy. She has copies 20 of it and she was going to give it to you. 21 MR. COFFEY: We'll get it. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: And what Robert does 23 on -- when we don't have the documentation, and 24 apparently it wasn't given to us, we'll do a voice 25 vote or they'll put it in our box and we'll pick 122 1 it up. Like we're going to meet Monday. If we 2 have it by Monday, that will give us an 3 opportunity to look at it. And we'll re-convene 4 and then we can take a vote, and then we'll know 5 by -- 6 MS. AITSON: What time do you need to 7 meet Monday? If those girls don't have that 8 paper, I do have -- 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: If you say you gave 10 it to Nicole, I'm sure she has it. I'll share the 11 paper with all of them. 12 MS. AITSON: With that yellow note 13 that she left for you? I don't know, I wasn't -- 14 she told me she was going to attach it together 15 and bring it to the meeting is exactly what she 16 said. 17 MR. COFFEY: Well, we don't have it, 18 Delores. If you can get it to us on Monday 19 morning, that'd be fine. 20 MS. AITSON: What time do y'all meet? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Call Nicole, 22 because I'm sure she has the document. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: We meet in the evening 24 at 6:00 o'clock. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Or I'll check with 123 1 Nicole. 2 MS. AITSON: Well, I'll get up here 3 anyway and give it to you, Bob, in case Nicole 4 doesn't have it. Thank you. And I also wanted to 5 thank y'all for that 250. She's already paid for 6 her soccer, and thank y'all for giving her that 7 kind of help. 8 MR. COFFEY: Good. 9 Christie Williams? Shelby Mata? IT 10 Department, did they say? 11 MR. GRIFFEN: They said they were 12 going to come. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Wait a minute. On 14 Shelby Mata, we do have a letter. 15 MR. COFFEY: We'll talk about this in 16 executive session. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 18 MR. COFFEY: And same way with this 19 Deanna Starr. 20 MR. NELSON: IT Department was tabled 21 until July 11th. 22 MR. COFFEY: Tabled until July 23 meeting? Anadarko Outreach? 24 MR. NELSON: He wants to more or less 25 table this until executive session, if that's okay 124 1 with you, Council. 2 MR. COFFEY: Chief Griffin, do you 3 want to save that for executive session? 4 MR. GRIFFEN: Might as well. 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Youth Outreach 6 Effort? 7 MR. COFFEY: You got the floor now. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Let me get this 9 clear. Anadarko Youth Outreach Effort, what are 10 we going to do with that? 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Executive session. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Executive session. 13 MR. GRIFFIN: What we have is an 14 issue about footages. I currently do not have 15 enough square footage to run my department. I 16 have a requirement to put online the Adam Walsh 17 program. 18 I'm the type of individual that 19 believes if you've got a problem, you ought to 20 bring some possible solution, so I researched 21 this. And currently we have five small offices. 22 That houses my dispatch center, my patrol, 23 administrative office, investigations. We have 16 24 people assigned, six dispatchers, three 25 investigators, two that will be coming online for 125 1 the Adam Walsh, and one administrative assistant. 2 I currently do not have enough room 3 to properly address all of our activities. There 4 is -- I had talked with Mr. Wauqua prior to his 5 departure about getting additional -- lease two 6 more offices for the Adam Walsh. It's a 7 federally-mandated program. It contains sensitive 8 information. It also has investigative equipment 9 for the fingerprinting and photographing of these 10 individuals so we can put them online. 11 Some possible solutions to the 12 problem: I always figure the best thing to do 13 would be to build specific from design. At one 14 time, we were talking about building our range and 15 the office space for our department on the Carr 16 property, which is close to the property here. 17 It's just up on Highway 62 about two miles away. 18 There's adequate footage there and it safely could 19 contain our weapons range and our administrative 20 needs. 21 Previously, before our issues with 22 our 638 programs and our audits, we had researched 23 this and found possible funding for it through the 24 USDA Rural Community Activities Grants. Our Tribe 25 specifically does have funds that are being held 126 1 at Anadarko pending our clearance of all the 638 2 programs. It's my understanding that we've got 3 685,000, and that could be utilized to help fund 4 the gun range. 5 Activities that are not currently 6 addressed at our present location is the sex 7 offender registry. We have to use contracted 8 services for our weapons training for our 9 firearms. We recently have gotten additional 10 tasking to do Haz-Mat storage for our lab 11 cleanup. 12 The -- these concerns are 13 significant. One, because -- like I said, the 14 Adam Walsh program is federally mandated. The 15 Tribe has selected to keep sovereignty and keep 16 the program underneath the Tribe. The weapons 17 training center is probably the bigger issue we 18 have. It's the biggest liability the Tribe could 19 have if we have an officer-involved shooting or we 20 have a Gaming Security member who discharges a 21 firearm. 22 Currently, our arrangement is very 23 costly because we have our training at Fort Cobb. 24 The commute of officers, say from my department 25 plus the ones from the casinos there in Cotton 127 1 County, it's an expensive commute. Our 2 availability is subject to the Kiowa, Caddo County 3 Vo-Tech personnel. We could schedule the 4 training, but it's up to them if they've got the 5 range available to us. 6 Also, we have equipment that we are 7 not currently using because we do not have a 8 permanent place for the training, such as our FAST 9 machine and our simulations. If we had a range of 10 our own, those things could be appropriately 11 housed. I did a paper previously when we had this 12 for the budget in 2004. It was passed as part of 13 my budget, and it was later taken away and put in 14 capital improvements to build a range for us. We 15 could have paid for our range within four years of 16 being what the cost it is now for us to send 17 officers and security offers to Kiowa County to 18 Vo-tech at Fort Cobb. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the cost of the 20 range that you're talking about? 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Probably $500,000. I 22 know that when we -- 23 MR. ASEPERMY: What does it cost to 24 send? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: When we did the 128 1 research in 2004, it was going to be about 2 $450,000. 3 MR. ASEPERMY: So for a new range, 4 it's about a half a million dollars? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: That's correct. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: And for your annual 7 weapons training -- 8 MR. GRIFFIN: My officers have to 9 fire quarterly. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: What's the annual cost 11 to do -- 12 MR. GRIFFIN: I'll have to get that 13 to you. I thought I printed that up, but I don't 14 have that with me. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Ballpark? 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Probably about 300,000. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: To use the Fort Cobb 18 range? 19 MR. GRIFFIN: Well, by the time you 20 figure the gas. We can not fire everybody at once 21 because of the limitations up there. So we have 22 to schedule it over two or three days to get all 23 the security officers in. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Have you -- and I'm 25 sure you have Vernon -- have you checked about the 129 1 feasibility of working out some sort of agreement 2 with the military? They have all the weapons 3 ranges that you need to -- 4 MR. GRIFFIN: We have approached 5 that. We prefer a range where we would not have 6 to depend on another agency to tell us if we can 7 use it or not, first off. 8 I have qualified firearms 9 instructors. We sent three over the training. We 10 have FAST, which is basically a computerized 11 training aid for shoot-don't shoot situation 12 scenarios. We also made the expense to have 13 casino scenarios filmed at our Walters casino, 14 which we are not using because we don't have a 15 place to put it up. Routinely, we come over here 16 in this room here and set it up, but we have to 17 take it down each time we leave session. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Your option one or 19 proposal one is the Carr property. Where is the 20 Carr property? I see you have a street map. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Across from Dolese. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's that 12 acres 23 we talked about. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: Just's on the north 25 side of the railroad tracks on the right? 130 1 MR. GRIFFIN: That's the best 2 solution. However, we understand there's going to 3 be things -- there's going to be the expense of 4 new construction, also the time delay of getting 5 it built. 6 Our second option was to renovate the 7 existing EPA facility and move Law Enforcement up 8 there and build a range right beside it. That's a 9 good, viable option because one the footages at 10 the house up there nearly would give us all the 11 office space we need, plus it will have an 12 isolated location for the range. It would be on 13 that ridge. 14 There are some things that would be 15 required to do. We'd have to take that network 16 cabling up there because all of our programs are 17 on network. We would have to upgrade the 18 communication at the house. 19 There is some mold issues at the 20 house in the bathroom location, and also there's 21 some problems with the roof. We would need to 22 renovate the garage areas into more office space. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: Could you use your 24 garage area for arms, weapons possibly? 25 MR. GRIFFIN: No, it would have to be 131 1 office space. One of the benefits if we do that, 2 would be that all the requirements are centrally 3 located, there's room for future growth, and the 4 site is isolated and the range would be not quite 5 a liability. We wouldn't be out there on a 6 highway. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: To make this happen, 8 what's the cost? 9 MR. GRIFFIN: I'd have to get that to 10 you. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: You don't have a 12 renovation number? 13 MR. GRIFFIN: No. There is some 14 liabilities, taking the network communications up 15 there, and we'd have to identify some Haz-Mat 16 storage. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, the one big 18 problem I see is that it is not in trust. 19 MR. GRIFFIN: I understand. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: So the Carr property 21 is not in trust. 22 MR. GRIFFIN: To my knowledge it was. 23 MR. BURSON: It is trust property. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Carr is trust. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: The Carr is trust? 132 1 EPA is not, although an application has been 2 filed, correct? 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We'll get all these 4 improvements in place and then -- 5 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, the other thing 6 I'm looking at, Vernon, is on your first proposal 7 that you did mention -- 8 MR. GRIFFIN: USDA? 9 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. The U.S. 10 Department of Agriculture -- let me find it. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Grant opportunity. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: USDA Rural Public 13 Service Grant. 14 MR. GRIFFIN: That's correct. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Do you know the 16 amount, if it's awarded? 17 MR. GRIFFIN: We had previously did 18 this in 2004. We were going to ask for 1.4 19 million with the design we had then. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Do you have people 21 capable of applying for this grant? 22 MR. GRIFFIN: But we would also -- we 23 would have to also get probably a new design of 24 the facility. I'm sure the construction costs of 25 what we had in 2004 has gone up. The firing 133 1 range, to my understanding, has been designed. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Hasn't been? 3 MR. GRIFFIN: Has been. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Has been. 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Capital improvements 6 had that designed. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: I like your first 8 proposal. 9 MR. GRIFFIN: The thing is, we come 10 to a point where we have to get these programs 11 started, and we have no place to put them. 12 Of course, I gave you option Number 13 3, with the understanding that there was going to 14 be new -- possibly new renovations to the 15 complex. And that would give us the north wing of 16 the current facility and modify it to our need. 17 However, you still would have to build a range 18 separate and have a separate location. 19 MR. ASEPERMY: You wanted to start 20 this in 2004 and it's five years later and 21 we're -- 22 M. GRIFFIN: Well, it was approved on 23 the budget in 2004. Economically, it was taken to 24 capital improvement and still hasn't been built, 25 the range portion. 134 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It wasn't approved? 2 MR. GRIFFIN: It was. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It was? Why was it 4 moved to capital improvements? 5 MR. GRIFFIN: Because they created 6 capital improvements to do those type of things. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: My apologies. It 8 was there to build the range? 9 MR. COFFEY: Yes, sir. 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 11 also with the Department of Agriculture, there's 12 another grant that can be used by the Tribe in 13 their Tribal Infrastructure Under Rural 14 Development Grant. 15 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I think they 17 get very little applications. The last time I 18 talked to them in Washington, I think they got 19 five and they were all five funded out of that, 20 and it still has money left over. And it's for, 21 like I say, infrastructure, roads, streets, 22 communications, electricity, gas, whatever is 23 needed to -- buildings, you know, need on the 24 tribal land to help with their -- 25 MR. COFFEY: Are you familiar with 135 1 that? 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Willie, do you have 3 anything? Are we going to get us a grant writer? 4 We budget it every year and we never have one. Is 5 that kind of down the road for you or -- 6 MR. NELSON: Our best grant writer is 7 right here. What we have done is we have managed 8 to get some diabetes money, we managed to -- did 9 you help out with Transit on this last one, Chief? 10 MR. GRIFFIN: No, sir. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: What I'm asking you 12 is, is it your plan in the very near future to get 13 us a grant writer? 14 MR. NELSON: You guys approve it, 15 I'll do what you approve. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, it's not a 17 matter of approval. That would be your call 18 because there is a position of that and it is on 19 the budget. And I think that -- 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We got -- if you 21 remember, the way we acted on it, you know -- not 22 by contract, you know, not a permanent employee. 23 And he's got applicants that submitted their 24 applications. 25 MR. NELSON: If you go in-house on 136 1 that, Lanny, you tend to get complacency. Now, I 2 know one person that's a 100 percent guarantee, no 3 matter what she's written in her past, but that's 4 neither here nor there. 5 But contractual, if an approval 6 letter, it ain't coming to you seven and saying, 7 "How do you want to pay her or how do you want to 8 pay him?" I think that's the most feasible and 9 proper way to do it. They're hungrier, they're 10 hungrier. And it gives our Comanche people that 11 option. There's a lot of great grant writers 12 here. 13 MR. COFFEY: We're getting awful off 14 track here. I think that we realize that we're 15 having limited space now, we'll realize that, but 16 I didn't think we would be growing so fast. And 17 the department, are you receiving any COPS money? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: I have three grants in 19 currently, but I cannot use any of the grants for 20 construction. I have a grant in for the Adam 21 Walsh program to pay for the two individuals 22 identified that we need, plus some technology. 23 And my Tribal Resources grant I've 24 got in. It's going to replace five of my older 25 vehicles in my vehicle fleet, plus some individual 137 1 equipment. And then I have a meth grant to help 2 fund the costs that we've expended for all the 3 items for our lab. 4 MR. COFFEY: I just sent to Randy 5 Wahkinny at Substance Abuse an application and 6 availability for the meth and suicide prevention 7 program, and we are earmarked for 40-something- 8 thousand-dollars -- I think $42,000. And I asked 9 that he make the application and get us a 10 resolution. But I think you need to look and see 11 what it also entails. It might have construction 12 money, but I doubt it. 13 The overall place would be the Carr 14 place. You'd have a permanent home for Law 15 Enforcement. It would be ideal for your firing 16 range? 17 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 18 MR. COFFEY: And it would be capable 19 of doing the communication systems better, right, 20 or not? 21 MR. GRIFFIN: I would like to leave 22 the dispatch here. First of all, we have a tower 23 here and it's already wired in. And to move that 24 would be difficult. And, plus, you would need 25 contact for the public, too, if they have an issue 138 1 to need a dispatch. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Dispatch serves a 3 lot of service by being here. 4 MR. NELSON: Plus our IT Department 5 is pretty much well on top of his equipment lease 6 out here. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: So proposal two. 8 MR. COFFEY: We need a budget for 9 that Carr property. 10 MR. ASEPERMY: Proposal one is what 11 you're recommending? 12 MR. GRIFFIN: The cost I had in 2004 13 was $1.4 million for the Law Enforcement needs. 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's still going to 15 be a million dollars. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Renovating the current 17 house over here would be far less than that. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: But it's not in 19 trust. 20 MR. GRIFFIN: But it's not the trust. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: And that would be a 22 problem. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I don't think 24 that's a handicap. Once you get -- like you have 25 the shelters over there, we have the fire 139 1 department. Once you get all those stabilized -- 2 and if that were over there -- you all get 3 stabilized, then you move it into trust. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Vernon, what proposal 5 are you -- 6 MR. GRIFFIN: I need space. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: If you put it in this 8 is what I want. If I don't get this, this is what 9 I want. Which one? If you had a choice of the 10 three proposals -- 11 MR. GRIFFIN: I mean, are we going to 12 have our grants cleared? Are we going to have our 13 office cleared in the foreseeable future? 14 MR. NELSON: Close. 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Next year sometime, 16 hopefully. I'd like to see it in the spring or 17 summer of next year. We get on top of all of 18 our -- 19 MR. ASEPERMY: Which one of these 20 would happen the quickest? 21 MR. GRIFFIN: EPA starting the range. 22 MR. NELSON: There's jurisdictional 23 problems there. That's it. We talked about it, 24 we suggested it. We did find out there is an 25 actual residence on the foot hill over there 140 1 facing north. So we might have some noise 2 factors. It's going to be a real turkey shoot on 3 that one. 4 MR. GRIFFIN: The best solution is 5 the Carr property. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Am I going in the 7 right direction if I ask Vernon to give us a firm 8 proposal at the next meeting with the particulars, 9 the cost, the blueprint? You know what I'm 10 saying? 11 MR. GRIFFIN: Right. 12 MR. COFFEY: Isn't there a house 13 there on that property? 14 MR. TIPPECONNIE: On the Carr? 15 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: No. 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Not on the section we 19 have. It's across the road. It's a house plus a 20 trailer. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Plus they'd have a 22 moving target when the train goes by. 23 MR. GRIFFIN: No, it's going to be an 24 indoor range. 25 MR. COFFEY: I think the ideal place 141 1 would be the Carr location for both office and 2 firing range. 3 MR. GRIFFIN: But in the interim, 4 we're still going to need a couple more officers 5 here to do the Adam Walsh. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Right there, that man 7 behind you in the white hat. Can you give us 8 something -- how long would it take you to come up 9 with a firm proposal with all the necessities? 10 MR. GRIFFIN: I can take our 2004 11 drawings and go down and see some friends downtown 12 and get them. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Can you present this 14 to us in July or August? 15 MR. GRIFFIN: July. 16 MR. COFFEY: You said you wanted to 17 say something? 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I put in for a 19 job at that the Comanche Nation Casino, that's 20 where I worked at for six years. The job was a 21 receiving clerk. I thought I was a pretty good 22 applicant because I just earned my Bachelor's 23 degree in Business Administration at the end of 24 May. 25 The person I talked to was Renee' 142 1 Martin, she's part of Human Resources. She told 2 me I did a good application and did a good 3 interview. She told me she would have an answer 4 this week. She kept on giving me the runaround 5 all week long -- come back Tuesday, come back 6 Wednesday, come back Thursday, come back Friday. 7 I went in Friday, she said to check 8 my mail, and she wouldn't give me a response yea 9 or nay. So I called her boss next door at the 10 Gaming Commission. She said she should have given 11 you a response. And then in the process of 12 talking to Renee' when she wouldn't give me a 13 response, I thought, you know, we have this new 14 policies and procedures in place since Tuesday, 15 how do they choose this position? And she said, 16 "We don't go by policies and procedures here. 17 Most of the time we just look at experience." 18 I thought, you know, me being -- 19 according to policies and procedures -- a Tribal 20 member with a degree than somebody else from 21 another tribe -- 22 MR. COFFEY: I agree. 23 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: -- and 24 somebody else getting the job. I mean, I'm just 25 curious who passed these policies and procedures, 143 1 because they're not being implemented as of 2 Tuesday. And I hear a lot of names being thrown 3 around and I hear our lawyers have looked at them 4 and they were going to approve them. 5 MR. COFFEY: What position did you 6 apply for? 7 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Receiving 8 clerk. She tried to sell me off on a mentorship 9 program, which Willie Nelson was in charge of and 10 started. And Renee' said that she put Willie 11 Nelson on that program. And I said, "I don't want 12 that program, because that's just floater." You 13 just push yourself around the casino, you have no 14 title, and you have nowhere to go after that. 15 So in talking to the General Manager, 16 Phillip Glass, he said, "Well, Darrell, after you 17 do this program, maybe, maybe you might be put in 18 line for a general manager position." But there's 19 a lot of maybes around the casino and no 20 definites, and that's a problem. They look down 21 upon us -- our employees, Tribal employees mostly. 22 There's not a lot of communication at the casino. 23 You're told from the top to the bottom that you 24 can't work your way through the bottom to the top. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: You know what, 144 1 Wallace? I think sometimes there are Gaming Board 2 meetings that when we have issues like this, why 3 can't we put these issues on the Gaming Board 4 agenda so they can address the Gaming Board and 5 the Chief Executive Officer? Why do we not do 6 that? We allow it with our CBC. Why can't we let 7 these issues also be presented to the Gaming 8 Board? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's where they 10 belong, in that place. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes. 12 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I asked why we 13 can't go to the Gaming Board meetings at all. 14 They won't even give you a time and date when you 15 guys meet. 16 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, that's a crock. 17 Excuse my French. 18 MS. ISAAC: Who put the Gaming Board 19 together? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: When they say 21 policies and procedures, you know, they supposedly 22 have a new personnel policies and procedures. 23 What you're saying is they just ignore that? 24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yes. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Who said that? 145 1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Renee' 2 Martin. She's in charge of Human Resources at the 3 CNC. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: I think this is a 5 Gaming Board issue and it should be addressed to 6 the Gaming Board. And I think he should be 7 allowed, and any other person, should be allowed 8 to -- it's just like we allow anybody -- well, I 9 don't know about anybody -- people get on our 10 agendas. I don't think we -- 11 MR. COFFEY: I think a preference 12 should be for Comanches, and he's got a college 13 education. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Oh, yes. And our 15 policy does say that. 16 MR. COFFEY: It has to be adhered 17 to. We'll look into that. How do we reach you? 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Come on up here and 19 let me get your name and your phone number and 20 I'll give you a date of the Gaming Board meeting, 21 and I'll put you on the agenda. 22 MR. COFFEY: That's the end of our 23 new and old business. 24 MR. NELSON: Actually, we got one 25 more, don't we, sir? 146 1 MR. COFFEY: Oh, you're in there? 2 MR. NELSON: Yes, we are. Can I slip 3 in our HR Department in on just one thing? 4 MR. COFFEY: Okay, I was wondering 5 why Shirley was here. 6 MR. NELSON: We ran across an issue 7 this week. We're trying to update position 8 descriptions. We're trying to make a true 9 evaluation of our employees. Due to the fact that 10 there was an actual resolution passed back in 11 2004, 2005 -- Resolution Number 99-04. I believe 12 this was a resolution that more or less was 13 telling the Tribal Administrator that you shall 14 not. 15 As a matter of fact, it goes 1, 2, 3, 16 4.... all together, 27 shall nots. With these 27 17 shall nots, we ran across situations where we've 18 had -- and I'm not going to share this 19 confidential information with you on the employees 20 -- we have actual employees that have more or less 21 sovereign immunity from dismissal and demotion due 22 to the fact that they were under the direct 23 supervision of the Chairman of the CBC as stated 24 in Resolution Number 99-04. So any action we take 25 will take a resolution from this body to act on 147 1 that personnel issue. 2 MR. COFFEY: That's probably various 3 departments. For instance, Mr. George Wallace, he 4 approached the CBC, and no different than what 5 Francis is doing, he said he couldn't work with 6 Mike Burgess. 7 MR. NELSON: But the issue, sir, it's 8 not a matter of a personality conflict, it's a 9 matter of should this be rescinded or should it 10 stay on the books. Because it makes our job as a 11 day-to-day operation and the HR Director, and us 12 even trying to bring in a brand new director is 13 just making out. 14 MR. COFFEY: How you say somebody has 15 sovereign immunity? 16 MR. NELSON: Well, when they are -- 17 the personnel action form is done under the direct 18 supervision of the Chairman of the CBC as stated 19 in Resolution Number 99-04. It's exact. 20 MR. COFFEY: Does it specify various 21 programs in there? 22 MR. NELSON: No. It does have your 23 signature though, sir. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It implies to you, 25 it's across the board? 148 1 MR. NELSON: By Resolution Number 2 99-04, the Tribal Administrator can't be doing 3 that. And I guess it was fought in court, I 4 guess, I don't know. I'm not even going to go 5 there. 6 But, with this said, I want to bring 7 it to your attention, gentlemen. We're in luck, 8 our HR Director can get up and ask you guys if we 9 sent out an employee -- it's funny this gentleman 10 -- from trying to get a job at Gaming talking 11 about policies and procedures. In seven weeks' 12 time, these two gifted Comanche girls here have 13 really brainstormed and worked with me and worked 14 with other departments and came up with a great 15 updated employee manual. It's concise, it's going 16 to be compact. As a matter of fact, it's going to 17 turn into a booklet form, Mr. Chairman. It 18 actually will have a calendar of events. So 19 you're on the floor, Shirley. 20 MR. COFFEY: All right, Shirley. And 21 who's that lovely person you've got with you? 22 MS. HARTLINE: This is Renee'. We 23 have employees that come in with daily issues. 24 The previous one that we have is so outdated, you 25 just can almost read anything into it. So we're 149 1 trying to be more precise. So we got together and 2 we'll let you all look at that. 3 MR. COFFEY: And what? 4 MS. HARTLINE: Approve it if you like 5 it. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: Have we had any legal 7 opinion to make sure that nothing in here will get 8 us in trouble? Have we had a legal opinion? 9 MS. HARTLINE: No. 10 MR. NELSON: Trying to save us some 11 money. No, I'm joking. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, you know what? 13 It would be saving us some money if something in 14 here -- can I make a recommendation that you guys 15 do a review and make sure that the legalities, 16 that there's nothing that's going to put us in a 17 lawsuit-type situation? 18 MR. NELSON: I did have a good 19 friend, Bill Rice, look it over and he said it's 20 pretty darn good. 21 MR. ASEPERMY: Who is he? 22 MR. NELSON: He's a Professor of Law 23 at Tulsa University. He's my brother-in-law. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want to say this 25 about this: You know, we're -- as Shirley knows, 150 1 we're underway with completing our new HR policies 2 and procedures. So some of the things you're 3 saying here are that, you know, they're personnel 4 policies and procedures. 5 MR. NELSON: This takes care of three 6 findings on our compliance issues, guys. 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're doing that 8 right now. We're completing that. It was done 9 under the compliance plan, and with the Bureau and 10 others. I would say we really need to complete 11 that, which is -- we've done all the work, it's 12 just being compiled. And that's going to be 13 reviewed by legal. 14 So I say we should await that. 15 Because what you have is a lot of redundancy. I 16 mean, you have repetition here of what's going to 17 come out in the policies and procedures. 18 MR. NELSON: Good, good. We just 19 wanted to move forward and show you gentlemen that 20 we are trying to get the PDs and the job 21 evaluations in order. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think that's very 23 smart. 24 MR. COFFEY: There's one issue here. 25 It says under Division of Responsibility, Item 151 1 Number C, "With the exception of all matters 2 reserved to the CBC (the Comanche Business 3 Committee), the overall authority for personnel 4 management rests with the Tribal Administrator." 5 I think the CBC should not have any 6 involvement in any personnel matters. 7 MR. NELSON: I'm asking to rescind 8 99-04, please. 9 MR. COFFEY: It says that -- well, 10 that pertains to the Tribal Administrator, who is 11 under the supervision of, according to the 12 constitution, of the CBC. So if they want to 13 rescind that, they can rescind that. But that's 14 particularly through the Tribal Administrator, 15 because in the constitution it specifies that the 16 supervision will be under the CBC. But under the 17 old handbook, the CBC has no involvement in 18 personnel matters. Doesn't it say that? 19 MS. HARTLINE: We should have brought 20 that. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Our new policy that 22 we're working on, it speaks to that, too. I would 23 say await this new policy. It's been finalized, 24 it's just being typed up, and then we're going to 25 have review of it, legal review. 152 1 MR. ASEPERMY: And I would make a 2 recommendation, Shirley, to put an index and page 3 numbers. 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I was going to 5 insert the contents and the Table of Contents 6 after review. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: But I think this is a 8 heck of a lot better. Well, this is an employee 9 -- this is not your policies and procedures. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But you speak about 11 policies and procedures in here. So it needs to 12 be the same, you know. All I'm saying, it needs 13 to be the same. 14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I think major 15 change in there, there was only one new thing 16 implemented. It would be a birthday 17 administrative leave for employees on their 18 birthday was the one thing we did add on that we'd 19 like to get approved. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: This is pretty darn 21 good. 22 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's good, but I'd 23 like to wait. But it's very good. I'm glad they 24 moved ahead on it. But it should be coupled with 25 our personnel handbook, our personnel policies 153 1 that is coming out, because that's going to be in 2 compliance with our 638 circumstances. 3 MR. COFFEY: Mr. Nelson, I think that 4 in the next year during the budget hearing, I'd 5 like for to you have some appropriation requests 6 specifically for Human Resources. And I'd like 7 for Mr. Tippeconnie to have a budget request for 8 administration, because everybody's under indirect 9 cost, and we're not receiving the monies under 10 indirect costs that is necessary. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I might say this: 12 You know, good news is forthcoming on indirect. 13 MR. COFFEY: Are we going to change 14 that? 15 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We may be able to 16 go from the 7 up to 25. So that's going to help, 17 but, nonetheless, we need the budget. 18 MR. COFFEY: But it's not 19 retroactive, though. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's going to be 21 from these years forward. 22 MR. COFFEY: Yeah. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But we haven't 24 received it. 25 MR. COFFEY: But you don't have a 154 1 separate budget for your department? 2 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No. 3 MR. COFFEY: Neither does Willie have 4 a separate budget for his department. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Neither does -- the 6 Chairman doesn't have a budget. 7 MR. COFFEY: We really need that, I 8 agree with him. Somewhere along the line, you've 9 got to advocate for these girls, Louie. 10 MR. NELSON: They've done a really 11 good job. I have been so impressed, I really am. 12 MR. COFFEY: You know Robert, 13 Shirley, was on the phone with Nicole when she got 14 into the accident. I assume she's fine, she's 15 just bruised and banged up a little. But she left 16 early because her grandmother had passed away and 17 the service is today. And last night, and I 18 haven't heard, but I sent Civa to go see her in 19 the hospital, and they were releasing her, but she 20 was taken by ambulance to Memorial. So I think 21 she's -- but I think she'll probably be out for a 22 couple of days and the car was totally damaged. 23 MS. HARTLINE: I could hear the 24 crash. 25 MR. COFFEY: Keep up the good work, 155 1 both of y'all. I'm pleased to announce that 2 Shirley just received her Master's degree. 3 I'm glad she's got Renee', although I 4 thought Renee' in the IT Department as being the 5 Comanche in charge, head Comanche in charge. But 6 Shirley just snatched her up. 7 Somebody else wanted to talk to us, 8 or are we ready to go into executive session? 9 MR. NELSON: No, sir. You guys have 10 a resolution on -- according to the agenda. 11 Adoption of Comanche Nation Tribal Administrator. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: We're going to review 13 two options on that, Willie. We're going to 14 review it and I don't know if we're going to vote 15 on it afterwards. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: What about his -- 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think we've got 18 to review it. 19 MR. NARCOMEY: What about his 20 resolution tat he wants us to rescind? 21 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, we can rescind 22 that. 23 MR. NARCOMEY: In other words, he 24 can't request the Committee pass on Mike Burgess, 25 the do nots, as carrying over to him. Do we want 156 1 the same thing for Mike Burgess for him, also? 2 MR. COFFEY: No. 3 MR. NARCOMEY: So we need to rescind 4 what he's got. 5 MR. COFFEY: 99-04. 6 MS. ISAAC: I talked to -- when I was 7 having issues with the Transportation not picking 8 up my daughter here and there -- and hopefully 9 they're getting that all straightened up -- but I 10 talked to George Wallace, and then I had to go 11 talk to Michael Burgess and Michael's hands were 12 tied. He couldn't do anything with the 13 Transportation. So that needs to be rescinded. 14 MR. BURSON: I think this was 15 repealed. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: I think it was 17 repealed already. 18 MR. BURSON: Let's check on it. 19 MR. NELSON: Remember that HR, it's 20 not on the book, but we need to make sure. 21 MR. KICKINGBIRD: We'll check it this 22 next week and get it, because you have to meet for 23 the election, right? 24 MR. NELSON: Could you send it to our 25 office? 157 1 MR. KICKINGBIRD: Sure. 2 MR. COFFEY: And you remember 3 something that occurred during that time? 4 MS. ISAAC: Yeah, Mike Burgess, I was 5 talking to him about 30 minutes, and he said, "Let 6 me show you this." It was a letter that took all 7 those things away from him. 8 My daughter was having trouble with 9 the Transportation not picking her up, even though 10 she met them halfway. So I hope it's cleared up 11 now, because some of these young people, they 12 could use that transportation. 13 MR. COFFEY: I agree. 14 MS. ISAAC: And old people, too. 15 MR. COFFEY: Big 'un, you had 16 something you wanted to share? 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Yeah. 18 Mr. Chairman, I sure like your tie. 19 MR. COFFEY: Don't be liking it. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I got a 21 situation that in this last storm that went 22 through, I've got a trailer in Elgin that I own 23 and it's pretty well been blown out. I mean, the 24 siding is coming off and the insulation is coming 25 out in places. 158 1 We've been able to move next door and 2 rent the house, but we need to replace that. And 3 we found a trailer to replace it with. It's a new 4 trailer with Wichita Housing. They have an excess 5 trailer, and I knew that the Tribe had a loan -- 6 or I'd seen something in the paper about it, and I 7 was wanting to know is there a loan program or -- 8 and I'm not talking about a lot of money. I'm 9 talking about $25,000 to get it moved and set up. 10 And I'm not asking for a grant. I'm just -- it's 11 kind of an emergency deal. I need a house and I 12 don't qualify for housing because I'm over 13 income. I'm just wanting to know is there 14 something that the Tribe has that -- 15 MR. COFFEY: We're trying to get 16 trailers now and I think we need to talk this over 17 again. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What's the size of 19 this one? 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's 16 by 21 80. 22 MR. COFFEY: That's much wider than 23 what we were talking about. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's available?. 25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: It's 159 1 available, yeah. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: The Tribe was 3 available to secure three trailers from the 4 Wichita, correct, Willie? One's going to the Luss 5 family; one's going to the Paddyaker family; and 6 one's going to Capital Improvement. Okay. 7 We did a late application with FEMA 8 February the 18th of this year when it should have 9 been put in over a year ago. You know, I just 10 give you the scenario. 11 They had trailers in Hope, Arkansas. 12 We were on the list at the last minute. We were 13 on the bottom of the list. When they opened that 14 up again, the priority was to tribes that were 15 already on the list. If they wanted, they could 16 -- and the inventory ran out. 17 You know, Ron was talking about prior 18 -- well, this is one of those situations where the 19 documentation was wasn't turned in. And when it 20 was, it was too late. 21 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, I don't 22 need to find it. They've got one in excess. 23 MR. ASEPERMY: I don't know if, 24 Willie, you can put Louie on this. The Kiowas -- 25 you know, I went back up there for a powwow, and 160 1 there are eight trailers still sitting where 2 they're sitting, and they've been sitting there 3 for four, five, or six months. 4 MR. NELSON: They don't want to get 5 rid of them. They're going to keep them. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: And I know you were 7 able to -- or Johnny was able to get the ones out 8 of the Wichitas. I don't know if the Caddos have 9 any. We negotiate with these other nations that, 10 you know, like the Wichitas did? 11 MR. COFFEY: I can call the chairman 12 and ask him what he has planned for those trailers 13 at the Kiowa. And if it's something that you 14 might have to follow up with -- 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, even with that, 16 we also have other people that's already on the 17 list that would come in front of you that have the 18 same predicaments that applied or asked for 19 because of, you know, housing needs, also. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I'm not asking 21 you for charity. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: I understand. I'm 23 just trying to tell you, if there was -- you know, 24 I wish -- I mean, wishing ain't doing no darn good 25 now. But, you know, we could have done really 161 1 well if we done what we were supposed to do. 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But what I hear him 3 asking is he says he wants to buy a trailer, he 4 just wants to have a loan, money, to buy the 5 trailer. 6 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I knew the 7 Tribe had something in the paper about loans and 8 that's what I'm asking about. If there's a loan 9 program, I sure need a loan at this time, because 10 I've got the trailer located. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: We've got the 12 revolving loan, we don't have a loan -- 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: There's a loan 14 program, but it's for businesses, getting small 15 businesses started. And then they return, you 16 know, part of their profit, paying their payment 17 back. It's that type of program. 18 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, I 19 certainly make my payments because I need a house. 20 MS. ISAAC: I thought there was a -- 21 the Housing was talking about the FEMA program 22 last year, because they were getting some of the 23 trailers. Because I asked the girl to put me on 24 the list because I got a septic tank, I've got the 25 electrical pole. We used to have a trailer house. 162 1 MR. ASEPERMY: The person that was 2 supposed to initiate the documentation is no 3 longer the executive director there. That's where 4 the ball was dropped. It never got to the 5 chairman. 6 MR. COFFEY: They went to Hope, 7 Arkansas though, didn't they? They went to visit. 8 MR. ASEPERMY: Yes, they went there, 9 for whatever reason. 10 MR. GOODIN: When I got on the 11 Housing Board, I talked to Lanny and we got this 12 ball rolling again. And this is where we found 13 out that the ball was dropped and it -- 14 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, it wasn't 15 dropped, we had to re-apply. We had to go through 16 the whole process. Wallace, you signed off on it. 17 MR. COFFEY: The reason I think was 18 because it was revealed that those trailers had 19 formaldehyde, and that scared everybody out. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: That's what she said. 21 But when you talk to the FEMA Manager in 22 Washington, D.C. who actually does the issuing, 23 the first question I asked, "Are they EPA safe?" 24 "Yes, they are." They're not going to give that 25 out and have a possible lawsuit hanging over 163 1 them. There you go with the rumors again. We 2 just didn't do what we were supposed to do. 3 MR. COFFEY: I think they were 4 worried about having some pickled Indians in these 5 trailers. 6 MR. GOODIN: Did you say you'll talk 7 to the Kiowa Chairman? 8 MR. COFFEY: Yes. 9 MR. GOODIN: If you can get one for 10 me from the Kiowa Chairman, I'll pay the expense 11 of getting it down here from Hope, Arkansas. 12 MR. COFFEY: Well, they're over in 13 Carnegie. 14 MR. GOODIN: I know, but I'll pay for 15 the cost to get it over to Carnegie, and then I'll 16 pay for it to get it down here. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: We have to set a 18 criteria and I'm going to make my recommendations 19 today. 20 MR. COFFEY: For what? 21 MR. ASEPERMY: The 10 travel 22 trailers. 23 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Motion to go into 24 executive session? 25 MR. ASEPERMY: I make that motion. 164 1 MR. NARCOMEY: I make the motion. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Clyde said it before 3 me. I second it. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Who seconded it? 5 MR. COFFEY: All right. Motion has 6 been made by Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to go 7 into executive session. A second has been made by 8 Lanny Asepermy. All those in favor signify by 9 saying "aye." 10 (Aye.) 11 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 12 sign. All those abstain same sign. Motion 13 carried. 14 (Executive session held from 15 1:57 p.m. to 4:10 p.m.) 16 MR. COFFEY: I'll entertain a motion 17 to come out of executive session. 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll make that 19 motion. 20 MR. NARCOMEY: Second. 21 MR. COFFEY: Okay. Motion has been 22 made by Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary/Treasurer, 23 to come out of executive session. Second by 24 Committeeman Clyde Narcomey. Do we have any 25 discussion, Committee? Hearing none, let it be 165 1 known for the record that we come out at 4:10. 2 Committee, on these recommendations 3 for assistance, DeAnna Starr was recommended at 4 $500. Shelby Mata was recommended at $1500. 5 Angel Thompson was recommended at $850. Anadarko 6 Youth Program was recommended at $2,500. Jeff 7 Edmondson, golfer -- you know what? He's got a 8 real good record here, Ron -- recommended at 9 $625. And these are individuals that came to the 10 Committee and made recommendations and requests. 11 And by consensus, we all agreed. And I don't know 12 if we have to have a motion? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want the motion 14 to fund all these as you've listed out of the 15 charitable fund. 16 MR. NARCOMEY: I make the motion. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Second? 18 MR. NARCOMEY: Second, whatever you 19 want me to do. 20 MR. COFFEY: Second by Clyde. A 21 motion has been made by Robert Tippeconnie, 22 Secretary/Treasurer, that out of the Charitable 23 Fund, we fund these individuals at -- DeAnna Starr 24 at $850, Shelby Mata at $1500, Angel Thompson at 25 $850, Anadarko Youth Program at $2500 for 166 1 challenge application, Jeff Edmondson at $625. 2 Clyde Narcomey seconded that motion. 3 Do we have any further discussion? 4 MR. ASEPERMY: The total is $4,975. 5 And does that fit in our budget, Robert? 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, yes. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. 8 MR. COFFEY: Any further discussion, 9 Committee? Hearing none, all those in favor 10 signify by saying "aye." 11 (Aye.) 12 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 13 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 14 carried. 15 And, Kelly, for the record, I have 16 brought to the Business Committee, Blue Book, it 17 says Kelly Blue Book, so this must be something 18 you own. Whereas, the Lincoln Town car that I've 19 been driving, it's five years of age, it has 20 143,000 miles. According to this Kelly Blue Book, 21 fair market value would be $3,375. And I want to 22 purchase it for that amount. And I'm asking for a 23 motion from the Committee. 24 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion, 25 Mr. Chairman, to approve. 167 1 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 2 MR. COFFEY: A motion has been made 3 by Committeeman Clyde Narcomey to accept an offer 4 of $3,375 for purchase of the Lincoln Town Car. A 5 second has been made by Darrell Kosechequetah. 6 And I have a cashier's check in the amount of 7 $2000 that I want to make good on this request 8 that I submitted to them. And any other 9 discussion? 10 MR. NARCOMEY: Call for the question, 11 Mr. Chairman. 12 MR. COFFEY: All those in favor 13 signify by saying, "aye." 14 (Aye.) 15 MR. COFFEY: All those opposed, same 16 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Motion's 17 carried. 18 And our attorneys will probably have, 19 by the 17th, a Bill of Sale. 20 MR. BURSON: Actually before then. 21 MR. COFFEY: Do I need to give this 22 to Robert? 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We'll hold it until 24 we get the Bill of Sale. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: I have a question. Is 168 1 the Chairman usually provided a vehicle? 2 MR. COFFEY: Yes. Not always, 3 though, but there are usually these vehicles -- 4 like, for instance, there's one now that's an 5 SUV. 6 MR. ASEPERMY: And how did you come 7 about the Lincoln? 8 MR. COFFEY: Red River Casino 9 purchased it. Whenever they do those vehicle 10 giveaways, they purchased it along with others. 11 MR. ASEPERMY: Is that a possibility 12 with the incoming chairman, whoever it may be? 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We can discuss 14 that. 15 MR. ASEPERMY: Is it written anywhere 16 that we do that? 17 MR. COFFEY: No, Johnny drove his 18 own. I requested this of Ken Gooden whenever I 19 came on board, if he would look into it for me. 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We can look into 21 that later. 22 MR. ASEPERMY: You know what I'm 23 saying, part of the package deal? 24 MR. NARCOMEY: Yes. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Reduces the -- 169 1 MR. COFFEY: Let me tell you, though, 2 I think it would be appropriate for the Chair to 3 have a vehicle because you're on call -- like I 4 went to Riverside at 5 o'clock in the morning. 5 You're on call at the funeral services at 6 nighttime and on the weekends. 7 When I leave here, I'm going to 8 Memorial Hospital to check on -- see who's out 9 there, see what's going on. So those are things 10 that you don't see. 11 MR. TIPPECONNIE: People are unaware 12 of. 13 MR. COFFEY: But no other action. 14 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm going to -- you 15 call it resign if you get off a board or counsel? 16 MR. COFFEY: Asked to be removed or 17 replaced. 18 MR. ASEPERMY: Yeah, replaced. 19 Okay. I'm going to be asked to be replaced off 20 the College Council Board, and I've already 21 discussed it with Darrell, and that we appoint him 22 onto the College Council Board effective June the 23 11th. 24 MR. COFFEY: Okay. 25 MR. ASEPERMY: Okay. Do we need a 170 1 motion to that effect? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I want to raise a 3 question, you know. I think the Council has three 4 CBC members. 5 MR. COFFEY: Right. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I think that's too 7 many. I think we should have one, at least, and 8 it should be the Chair. 9 MR. COFFEY: I think according to 10 their Council organization, the Chair's 11 automatically a member of their Board. 12 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, according to 13 their resolutions, there's 10 members. And their 14 resolution -- I have it at home, I didn't bring 15 it -- there's 10 members to the Council, three are 16 CBC members. My opinion on -- and the 17 appointments are made by the Higher Education 18 Director. 19 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yeah, that's the 20 way. 21 MR. COFFEY: Bring that with you when 22 we reconvene on the 17th. 23 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So we really can't 24 act on it until we see it. 25 MR. COFFEY: Until we see it the 171 1 17th. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, the way we're 3 operating now, we can. Yes, we can. I'm still on 4 the council. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I know, but if you 6 step off, then the Higher Ed appoints. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I got 8 appointed. I said, "Hey, I want to be on the 9 College Council" and the CBC said go ahead. 10 MR. COFFEY: Yeah, but I think we 11 should get in the habit of -- 12 MR. BURSON: I would like to just 13 note it would be very unusual for a lesser person 14 to make an appointment of a CBC member. 15 MR. KICKINGBIRD: Part of it is for 16 you to be able to keep track and monitor. 17 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, also, Wallace, I 18 am going to make a recommendation that we cut our 19 College Council down to five members to include 20 the Chairman and four members. That's going to be 21 my recommendation. And I'd have to look at the 22 resolution, and the resolution came about when 23 Johnny was in office. And it's about a dang 24 eight-page resolution. 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Bring it to us 172 1 before the 17th. 2 MR. ASEPERMY: But for the meeting on 3 next Thursday, I'll be honest with you, I don't 4 want to go. I'm really upset with five of those 5 members. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Keep it cool. 7 MR. ASEPERMY: No, no, no. I don't 8 want to go. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, don't go. 10 There's two others that go. I really think it's 11 smart to stay within process and procedure. 12 That's what we're trying to do on everything. 13 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, we're trying to 14 do that, but look how I was appointed. So did 15 Darrell take my place this week? The meeting is 16 the 11th and 12th. 17 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I would suggest 18 that he go, but then later we look at this other. 19 Let him go. 20 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I want to make 21 sure that he receives his stipend for that, too. 22 MR. COFFEY: They put a hold on 23 those. 24 MR. ASEPERMY: A hold on what? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They don't have a 173 1 budget that can pay your stipend. 2 MR. REDELK: Now we know the rest of 3 the story. 4 MR. ASEPERMY: Well, I didn't do it 5 for that. So, Darrell, I guess let's get this 6 figured out and don't worry about going. 7 MR. COFFEY: Then we'll get this 8 figured out. He's got KCA Thursday anyway. 9 MR. ASEPERMY: I'm not going to go, 10 I'm so twisted with them. 11 MR. COFFEY: If nothing else, we'll 12 recess until the 17th at 5 o'clock p.m. 13 (Meeting recessed at 4:25 p.m.) 14 15 * * * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 174 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) 4 ) 5 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 6 7 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 8 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 9 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 10 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 11 that the meeting was held on June 6, 2009, in the 12 State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney for 13 nor a relative of any said parties, or otherwise 14 interested in the event of said action. 15 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 16 my hand and seal of office on this the 9th day of 17 July, 2009. 18 19 20 __________________________ Kelly Stoabs 21 Certified Shorthand Reporter for the State of Oklahoma 22 23 24 25 175 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 10:30 a.m. on June 6, 2009, and that the meeting 8 was duly called and held in all respects in 9 accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25