TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 
COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 
MONTHLY MEETING 
JANUARY 8, 2011, 10:00 A.M. 
COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 
LAWTON, OKLAHOMA


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A P P E A R A N C E S


 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS:


 Michael Burgess, Chairman 
Richard "Bunky" Henson, Vice-Chairman 
Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer 
Ronald Red Elk, Committeeman #1 
Mark Wauahdooah, Committeeman #2 
Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 
Clyde R. Narcomey, Committeeman #4


 LEGAL COUNSEL:


 William Norman, James Burson 
Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker


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INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 
PAGE 
Meeting called to order at 10:00 a.m. 5 
Roll Call. 5 
Invocation. 5 
Motion passed to accept minutes of 8 
November 6th, 2010, and December 
4th, 2010. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 8 
Number 01-11 Enrollment List No. 851. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 9 
Number 02-11 Enrollment List No. 852. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 9 
Number 03-11 Enrollment List No. 853. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 10 
Number 04-11 Enrollment List No. 854. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 11 
Number 05-11 Amending 401(k). 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 12 
Number 06-11 Juvenile Suicide 
Prevention Grant. 
Resolution Number 07-11 Amendment to 13 
Resolution #99-10 Tabled. 
Motion passed to approve Resolution 14 
Number 08-11 Writer for SAMHSA Grant. 
Thomas Narcomey. 16 
Motion passed to approve 44 
Mr. Tippeconnie's travel to 
NCAI meeting. 
Motion passed to vacate Resolutions 95 
56-08 and 57-08 regarding Debbie 
Hendrix and children. 



INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 
(continued) 
Motion passed to approve optometry 
contract. 
Reporter's Certificate. 
Secretary's Certificate. 
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 (Meeting called to order at


 10:00 a.m.) 
(Roll call.) 
MR. BURGESS: Thank you. Mark, would 
you give us an invocation, please?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: (Invocation.)


 MR. OWENS: I think they have on 
there Mr. Narcomey, Clyde. We've had that 
discussion probably about a month ago that she's 
not claiming any more mileage. You know, we don't 
have a big fleet here at -- yes, they're located 
in Lawton. Their vans are used to transport food 
to people that can't come and get it, fellowship 
at the elderly center. I did discuss that with 
her, also.


 There's other things that I didn't 
discuss that you brought out as far as the report 
that Finley & Cook gave you. We are addressing 
that right now. I was unaware of it, to be honest 
with you, too.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I just found out 
yesterday that they don't deliver out here to my 
mother, and she's an elder.


 MR. OWENS: They should be. 
MR. NARCOMEY: That's right, they 



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 should be.


 MR. OWENS: We have to look at the 
service area, to be honest with you, but I don't 
see any problem with it.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Maybe they directly 
could deliver food while she's charging us 
mileage.


 MR. BURGESS: All right. Thank you. 
All right, Mr. Narcomey. Thank you.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: Just a question. If 
the monies that are being earned or whatever for 
this fundraiser, then where is that money going?


 MR. BURGESS: That's a question 
Finley & Cook will have to answer.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: What has happened 
in the past, because I'm looking into that, too, 
is that I found out in the past they had a bank 
account, so in that account is where they made 
these deposits. So there is a log. Okay? Right 
now when they make deposits, they can't issue any 
kind of use of that money without signatories. So 
we're trying to straighten that out and get it 
into Finley & Cook's accounting system.


 We're aware of it, they can't be 
using that fund. There's no way they can use it 



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 without coming and saying, getting some 
authorization. We stopped that. But they do 
deposit anything from those kind of things into 
that account. So now we're just trying to get it 
all straight with Finley & Cook. So all that past 
kind of use, which I'm not aware of what really 
happened except what's in the account, and the 
account has money in the account.


 MR. NARCOMEY: From what I was told, 
every other word is that Bob said it's okay. 
That's what she told me. That's what someone told 
me that she said.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: They're probably 
saying that because we're trying to get the 
account -


 MR. OWENS: If it's illegal, then you 
risk your funding. We haven't lost funding over 
there.


 MR. BURGESS: Let's come back to the 
minutes. Fellas, let's come back to the minutes 
now. Kelly, you online? Mr. Wauahdooah gave us 
the invocation.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, the 
reason I brought that up is if a person knows 
about something that's going wrong, doing wrong, 



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 you're just as much to blame if you don't say 
nothing. You're just as much to blame as the 
person that's doing it, is the reason I bring that 
up.


 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, sir.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Amen.


 MR. BURGESS: Fellas, everybody 
reviewed the minutes of November 6th? We had 
tabled them. Any questions, corrections, 
statements?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion we 
accept both minutes.


 MR. BURGESS: Both?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second, 
Mr. Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Gentlemen, there's been 
a motion and a second to accept the minutes of 
November 6th and our December meeting of December 
4th. All those in favor signify by saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it.


 Now we'll move into our resolutions. 



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 The first resolution is Enrollment List Number


 848. 
It's Resolution Number 01-11. 
MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 
approve. 
MR. BURGESS: This is a motion made 
by Mr. Henson to acknowledge that the applicant is 
not eligible according to Article III, Section 
3(b) of Comanche Nation Constitution, one 
individual.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Second.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Narcomey. All those in favor signify by 
saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it.


 I think we have two more resolutions 
denying applicants due to non qualifying factors, 
such as not enough degree of Comanche blood or not 
descended from an original allottee. This is 
Resolution 02-11, concerns one individual. 
Resolution 03-11 concerning nine individuals.


 MR. HENSON: I make a motion to 
approve. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Motion to approve both 
or one?


 MR. HENSON: Yes, do both of them.


 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Henson's making a 
motion to approve both resolutions.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Second.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Narcomey. Those are resolutions denying 
membership because they did not meet qualifying 
factors again. All those in favor signify by 
saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it.


 And then we come to Resolution Number 
04-11. This is list Number 854. This is a list 
of those who are eligible and meet the qualifying 
factors of the constitution. There are 28 
individuals added on.


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 
approve.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion to approve being 
made by Mr. Henson. Need a second.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I second that 



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 motion, Mr. Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by Mark 
Wauahdooah. All those in favor signify by saying 
"aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign.


 Now we're coming to Resolution Number 
05-11. This is a resolution of the CBC 
approving, amending, or restating our 401(k) 
retirement plan for government employees.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 
approve, Mr. Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 
Mr. Narcomey. Second?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll second that.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Tippeconnie. All those in favor signify by 
saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. Motion 
passes.


 Then I think the others are handouts, 
right, Bob? Do you have the other resolutions? 



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 MR. HENSON: 6-11. Yeah, I have 
them.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You have them?


 MR. BURGESS: He has them.


 MR. HENSON: Yeah.


 MR. BURGESS: Resolution 06-11, this 
is for a grant application to the U.S. Department 
of Health and Human Services, the Substance Abuse 
and Mental Health Services Administration, 
referred to as SAMHSA. DHHS and SAMHSA, through a 
cooperative agreement, have a grant out for a 
tribal use suicide prevention. The funds can be 
for $480,000 per year for a three-year project, 
and this is to provide services to our young 
people who might be or are facing or have become 
affiliated with friends or relatives who committed 
suicide. So the resolution would be for funding 
of three years for $480,000, a total of $1.4 
million over the three years.


 MR. HENSON: I make the motion to 
approve.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion being made by 
Mr. Henson to approve this.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I second the motion, 
Mr. Chairman. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Second by Mark 
Wauahdooah. All those in favor signify by saying 
"aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. Motion 
passes.


 Coming to Resolution Number 07-11. 
This is a resolution to proceed with the 
negotiated sale with the Honenaker estate. This 
is to authorize purchase for the consideration in 
the amount of BIA appraisal value or higher of a 
negotiated sale from Mr. Lloyd Heminokey, Jr., 
Mrs. Clorandia Tsatoke, and Greg Haumpy, Jr., in 
property that's defined here, Allotment Number 
1619.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 
table that, Mr. Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion to table? All 
right. We have a motion to table, gentlemen. Is 
there a second?


 MR. HENSON: I'll second that.


 MR. BURGESS: A second. All those in 
favor signify by saying "aye".


 (Aye.) 



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 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it. So it should come up at our next 
meeting.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Tabled?


 MR. BURGESS: Tabled. Then 
Resolution Number 08-11. This is a resolution for 
us to engage the services of a grant writer/ 
consultant, Ms. Vanessa Vance. She's written for 
us before. She's in our pool of grant writers. 
She has experience working with these kinds of 
grants, substance abuse, mental health. She'll be 
the one completing the grant for us to go to 
Health and Human Services for the tribal youth 
suicide prevention grant. So far, Ms. Attocknie, 
she's batting 1,000 with this, right?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yes.


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 
approve.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion made by 
Mr. Henson to approve.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Second.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Narcomey. All those in favor signify by 
saying "aye". 



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 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it.


 Ladies and gentlemen, we're moving 
over to our new and old business on our agenda.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Did we act on -


 MR. BURGESS: The optometry?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, on the grant 
applications. We did?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: U.S. Department of 
Health?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, we approved that. 
Mr. Henson and Mark, motion and second.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's a grant 
writer?


 MR. BURGESS: The grant writer, yes. 
Mr. Henson and Mr. Narcomey made and seconded the 
motion.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Then don't we have 
one here in your records which is the grant 
application for U.S. Department of Health and 
Human Services?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Yes. 



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 MR. BURGESS: That's 06-11.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Okay, okay. Got 
it.


 MR. BURGESS: All right. Moving to 
Mr. Thomas Narcomey. Thomas? You have the floor.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Tom Narcomey. I'd 
like to have the CBC to amend the gaming 
ordinance. I know the National Indian Gaming Act 
requires, I'm not sure if they require one or the 
other, but they require a commission or a board 
or -- I think you can have one or the other or 
both. I'm not sure how it works. But, anyway, I 
believe it was in May or -- I don't know the date 
now. I'm not sure. About May 2009 or something, 
or maybe '08.


 Just before Chairman Coffey went out 
of office, like a lame duck CBC, they passed an 
amendment to the gaming ordinance, something about 
the budget where they called all -- I guess all 
our operations' budgets. I'm not sure how it 
went, but in order to comply with the national 
gaming ordinance, we need to amend the gaming 
ordinance to call the only necessary expenses 
operating expenses, like your -- like your 
meetings, your secretaries or what, your 



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 commission staff, you know, those expenses that 
you need and it requires to have a functioning 
board. Like I say, board.


 But all other expenses should go to 
the annual budget. So just whatever is needed. I 
don't know, half a million, 400,000. You know, 
you should make a resolution calling that 
operation expenses, because I thought it was -- I 
thought their budget was like 1 million or 1 1/2 
million, but I understand it's about 5 million, 
their budget. So I don't think they need a real 
great big old slush fund.


 And then, you know, they need to be 
accountable for that slush fund, you know, like 
detailed monthly expenses on what they spent the 
money on. So it should be transparency if that's 
what you want from the gaming commission. Even 
printing the Comanche newspaper if you want to. 
You know, that's transparency. Then also put in 
there that any severance pay over whatever amount, 
5,000 or whatever, should be approved by the CBC 
or even an annual budget. Because I know in the 
past we had ridiculous amounts for severance pay. 
I think we paid one time $275,000 for severance 
pay, and that big amount should have been an 



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 annual budget.


 So that gaming ordinance should be 
amended, you know, for the severance pay, for the 
operation expenses, and another one on 
transparency or whatever. But, anyway, it's -- I 
would think it's important. I think everybody in 
the room probably agrees. The gaming don't need a 
big old slush fund.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, if I understand 
what you're asking, Thomas, I think I know why 
you're asking that, but gaming doesn't have a 
slush fund. When there was a reorganization of 
gaming and they took surveillance is under 
management, and they took security or vice versa, 
one of those two, became a part of the gaming 
commission responsibilities, they absorbed 30, 45, 
employees. That comes under a part of that gaming 
management budget.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yeah, I have it 
right here.


 MR. BURGESS: And then all the other 
employees -- are you going to bring it up here? I 
don't have that with me.


 All the other employees under gaming 
board, maybe nine or 10, it's not a slush fund 



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 budget, it's a budget that pays employees.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: You don't need 5 
million for 12 employees.


 MR. BURGESS: It's 5 million for over 
100 employees based on salaries.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: That's fine, 
that's operation -


 MR. BURGESS: It's their operational 
budget. That money is their operational, what it 
costs for them to manage as compliance versus 
management. Okay? And the smallest portion of it 
is the gaming board. The other portion is 
compliance with surveillance in there so that all 
of these surveillance people are being employed, 
too, because you have to have 24/7 surveillance, 
and then the internal compliance is ongoing.


 So all these employees were moved 
from operational budget to the gaming management 
and gaming commission budget. I don't know how 
many numbers it was, but it's around 100 people. 
So $5 million paying salaries and training and 
overhead, okay, for all of those 100 employees. 
And here, we have an overhead of 200 -- over 240 
employees. So our overhead is just as large. You 
know, it's a big overhead that comes out of 



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 program administration and indirect cost 
administration.


 So you have to have that budget for 
these employees to administer and see that 
everybody is working according to their rules and 
regs over there. Highly regulated. So you have 
to have people paying attention to each other 
doing their jobs.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Well, just look 
into it and see if there was any overbudgeting or 
whatever.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I might -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: That much money 
for that many employees, though.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Thomas, I might 
make this comment. Those budgets, the gaming 
commission and the gaming board present their 
budgets to the CBC. So we do go through them. 
And the CBC, as I've experienced with them, you 
know, some of them really raise some real 
questions about, you know, all these expenditures 
that they show us. So there has been some good 
review by the CBC of this past year's budgets of 
both the commission and the board, you know, those 
two different bodies. So you're making a point 



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 that it is our responsibility to really look at 
that critically.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: And look at that 
amendment that was passed in May '08 or '09. You 
know, see if they can change it back or whatever.


 MR. BURGESS: And I believe that 
you're referring to some, in the past, when you 
said severance pay, when we asked this of the 
gaming board, as well as the commission, they 
don't give severance pay. They do not give 
severance pay for someone leaving. They're only 
entitled to whatever they accumulate. I'm going 
to say whatever accumulated vacation hours are, 
plus their last payroll.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: That's a good 
idea, severance pay, but not raise the amount.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, if they want to 
put it in there and they can afford it, they have 
to let us know. But what you see here on these 
employees, this does not include the surveillance 
employees, I want to say 40 or 60.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: 60.


 MR. BURGESS: So you're looking at 
about a $4 million budget, about 3 1/2, maybe 4, 
to cover 60 employees. And on the other side with 



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 the gaming board, that's about nine employees. So 
it's much less. Plus the gaming meetings that go 
on, all the meetings that they do. So it's not a 
slush fund. We made them -- how much did they 
reduce their budget?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: They've both been 
reduced.


 MR. BURGESS: 10 percent or 15 
percent reduction.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We asked them to 
reduce it.


 MR. BURGESS: We forced them to 
reduce it.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Going down there, 
they might do something else, probably.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We will look at 
these, what you're saying, too, on the ordinance, 
because I know that there were changes to the 
ordinance, you know, that was submitted to go 
through NIGC, National Indian Gaming. So those 
were forwarded and it's come back, so we've had 
some amendment of the ordinance.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Whose decision is it 
that our tribal IDs cannot be honored or will not 
be honored if that's the only identification an 



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 individual has? If they should win a jackpot or 
win any amount of, you know -


 MR. BURGESS: Actually, we were 
approached about that about 90 days ago and we 
brought that up to the gaming board. They do 
honor tribal IDs. The employee was not apprised 
that they could have honored the winnings with the 
tribal ID up to an amount -- there is a dollar 
figure that they want you. If you win more than 
that, I'm going to say 1,500.


 MR. OWENS: 1,200.


 MR. BURGESS: 1,200? If you win in 
excess of 1,200, they want you to have a Social 
Security number and a state or federal ID other 
than just a tribal ID, because they have to fill 
out a tax form on that.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: IRS.


 MR. TAHSEQUAH: I would like to add 
to her comment that at one point the gaming used 
to accept personal checks and stuff. I never 
understood that.


 MR. BURGESS: I think that's an 
employee -- an employee situation. Because if you 
take it to a manager, ask for the general manager 
at the time, they would recognize it and probably 



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 overrule that employee at the window.


 MR. OWENS: Well, let's get back to 
the gaming part. Just like you guys are regulated 
on how many times you meet per month or year, on 
the board do you not regulate that, or the 
National Indian Gaming?


 MR. BURGESS: They're supposed to be 
self-regulating, but they conduct business a lot 
of times and they're still in the habit of 
reviewing each check individually and sign it 
individually.


 MR. OWENS: Do they receive a stipend 
every time they meet?


 MR. BURGESS: As far as I know.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Chairman, 
Mr. Tom Narcomey, not only have we addressed, the 
CBC addressed the gaming commission and the gaming 
board, we have had input into new people put on 
the gaming commission and the gaming board. Some 
people have integrity put on recently in the last 
six months. They have addressed the issue of 
lower echelon employees not being promoted. We've 
also asked that salaries, golden parachutes be 
removed in the future. And so far the new 
individuals, people of integrity, that includes Ed 



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 Tahah for the gaming commission, Mr. Bill 
Pahdocony, are doing really good work towards -in 
times past, that wasn't so. But there's a new 
atmosphere in the gaming commission and the gaming 
board. So I compliment the new people who are 
coming on the board.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: I still need to -you 
said 90 days ago or so that it's supposed to 
be a policy up to the 1,200 and anybody that -


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, it's supposed to 
be a policy, that's what we were informed, but I'm 
saying management knows it, the employee may not 
remember it.


 MR. HENSON: That's an IRS 
requirement.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: It's elders.


 MR. BURGESS: The policy doesn't say 
-- the policy is to accept the tribal ID until 
they reach that threshold of 1,200 or more. I'm 
saying it's the employee that needs to be 
corrected, not us to correct the board.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: The management needs 
to also, because this individual, this elder, she 
was at a machine. She wasn't playing but 30, 40 
cents anyway, but she got picked for some kind of 



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 prize that they have, a drawing for $50. She 
doesn't drive, she doesn't have a -- her only ID 
is her Social Security card and her tribal ID. 
But they wouldn't pay her that $50 that -- and she 
asked to talk to management, and the management -and 
this was done here at Spur -- still would not 
let that elder be paid the $50.


 MR. HENSON: Did she ever get her 
money?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: No.


 MR. OWENS: Did you ever get your 
money?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: No. No, she never 
did.


 MR. HENSON: Have her contact the 
gaming board or gaming commission -- gaming 
board.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Tahah.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Because I do know 
another individual. She won $4,000, but she just 
had her tribal ID, but she had to go through 
whatever and she got her birth certificate, went 
to the state highway patrol anyway and got a state 
ID before they would pay her the monies that she 
won. 



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 MR. HENSON: That really doesn't 
sound right to me either. And I think if you 
contact Bill, Bill Pahdocony, that would be 
something he can bring up. It just doesn't sound 
right to me.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Mark, was Oscar hired 
back?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: No, his term was up.


 MRS. HENDRIX: I read somewhere he 
was hired back on the board.


 MR. BURGESS: No.


 MRS. HENDRIX: No, he's not?


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Thank you.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: I just think it needs 
to be posted at the different casinos.


 MR. BURGESS: We brought it up, so -


 MR. HENSON: It's been brought up and 
the tribal ID up to IRS requirements is okay.


 MR. ATTOCKNIE: But that was 90 days 
ago.


 MR. HENSON: They have to report -gaming 
has to report to the IRS anything that -anybody 
that wins over $1,200. They have to do 
that. And they also have to submit their Social 
Security card, Social Security number with it. 



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 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Thomas had a 
question.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I have another 
item. But with gaming, I don't know the people 
that's handling money should be bonded. I don't 
know if they are or not. They may be, I don't 
know.


 Then the money deposited from the 
casinos should match the amount, that tapes on the 
machines, you know, or however you work it. I 
don't know how often the deposits are made. I 
don't know whether -- I don't know that it was 
done before, I don't know.


 MR. BURGESS: Thomas, now you're 
getting us into the technical aspects. We don't 
work there every day, but the board members are 
covered by insurance. There is a keyman insurance 
on most of the employees that are in management. 
Everything is handled in the vault room and is 
recorded 24/7. No longer are they able to turn 
the cameras on and off because surveillance is 
separate from management. Does that answer some 
of your concerns? You want the gaming board to be 
bonded, the employees to be bonded.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Whoever messes 



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 with money. Then, you know -- I know in the past 
we lost a lot of money.


 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Norman, what is 
that insurance policy that's covered them?


 MR. NORMAN: For anybody that covers 
money, they have a greater level of scrutiny that 
they have to go through before they can be 
licensed, and they can't be employed unless 
they're licensed. So you got the gaming 
commission that does the background review for 
anybody that handles cash. That also has as a 
element to it a review by the NIGC. The NIGC -the 
gaming commission purports to want to license 
somebody and the NIGC objects to it, the NIGC will 
notify the tribe of that.


 So you've got the tribal regulatory 
body, you've got the federal regulatory body 
before the person can be employed, and then you've 
got daily 24-hour surveillance of all of the 
handling of the money. And those people are 
trained to observe what's going on and report any 
unusual situations or circumstances. They work 
together with accountants that are on the 
inventory and on the business side to make sure 
that the money is all being accounted for. They 



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 have to do audits annually and submit those audits 
to the federal government and to the tribal 
regulatory bodies. So there are lots of steps in 
place to try to assure that every dollar that 
comes in is accounted for.


 MR. HENSON: Checks and balances.


 MR. NORMAN: Historically, there has 
been a problem getting all of that infrastructure 
in place working to the greatest degree that it 
could, but we are moving to that point now.


 MR. BURGESS: One of the things, 
Thomas, our casinos, probably about 2009, finally 
bought into these electronic counting machines 
that are in the vault. The only people touching 
cash are those at the windows and they're 
continuously observed, they're under 
surveillance. There's no hand counting in the 
vault. No longer do you have stacks of money with 
a handwritten chart on top of it. Now 
everything's counted by the machine and verified 
twice before it's stacked into whatever cage they 
go into. So it's automated counting, not by 
hand. And it's all under camera. Again, 
everything's under surveillance. That's why 
surveillance is no longer under management. 



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 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I might add, 
Mr. Chairman, that none of the CBC members go into 
those vault areas. We don't touch any of that 
money. Anybody in the past -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yeah, in days 
past, I know the treasurer was hanging around in 
the vault.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Everything's 
electronically accounted for and transferred 
electronically.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, thank you. 
Ms. Tibbs is not -


 MR. THOMAS NARCOMEY: I've got 
another item.


 MR. BURGESS: One more item?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: To revise the 
economic and put it more toward the economic 
department. That's an important one.


 MR. HENSON: What are you talking 
about?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: In order to save 
what budget we have in there, because we're just 
continually losing money, and we're on our fifth 
million, or I found out it was 5.4 million. I 
seen one of the budgets was instead of 1 million 



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 it was 1.4.


 Well, anyway, we need people in there 
that can do business plans. We need to hire 
people that can do it, so we need to take a stand 
in the door. Because that's our hope -- that's 
survival now if we don't do it.


 MR. HENSON: Excuse me. What are -I 
don't know what you're talking about. What 
economic development are you talking about?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Well, there's two 
of them, one is an enterprise. Maybe you want to 
do that one, too. But I know the economic 
department really needs to be a moratorium stop on 
operation, caveat, whatever you call it.


 MR. HENSON: Are you talking about 
our corporation or are you talking about -


 MR. BURGESS: Our corporation.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Well, yeah, 
economic corporation department, economic 
department or staff.


 MR. HENSON: And now what are you 
saying we need to do?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: We need to put a 
moratorium on that -- well, department and staff.


 MR. BURGESS: If you're talking about 



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 economic development, their budget was 800,000 
last year.


 MR. HENSON: No, he's talking about 
the corporation.


 MR. BURGESS: No, he keeps saying 
economic development department.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: He is saying 
economic.


 MR. BURGESS: Which one, Thomas? Are 
you talking about Clean Sweep, Comanche Signs?


 MR. THOMAS NARCOMEY: Well, economic 
commissions above the department. If they need to 
change the board and the department.


 MR. HENSON: We have two -- we have 
an Economic Development Enterprise, which is 
Delphine's organization, and we have an Economic 
Development Corporation, which is our corporation. 
That's two completely different entities.


 MR. THOMAS NARCOMEY: I was getting 
them mixed up. I thought the -- I don't know. 
Construction company was over -


 MR. HENSON: That's our corporation. 
Now, if you're talking about that corporation, 
there are some plans that's been looked at.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Section 8(a) or 



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 that one.


 MR. HENSON: There's plans being 
looked at right now.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Saying what we can 
in the economic department.


 MR. BURGESS: I think, Thomas, I 
understand your concerns here, but if you want to 
visit further with Mr. Henson or Ms. Nelson on 
that, you could, because I think they've got 
plans.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: We've had plans 
for five years.


 MR. HENSON: He's not talking about 
Delphine, he's talking about the corporation.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Our businesses are 
losing. We just continue on and on. It's not 
funny anymore. It's survival. We've got to save 
what's money in there. And then our people that 
can do the work, do the job. I mean, we can talk 
all day long on this stuff, you know, the -


 MR. HENSON: Thomas, let me give you 
a rundown on the corporation. The corporation 
currently has purchased two more construction 
companies. Our corporation right now is headed in 
a direction of project management. They don't 



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 hire any employees. There's only three employees 
up there, and one of them is a project manager. 
What they do is they go out under the 8(a) 
umbrella -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Not that one. I'm 
talking about the other one.


 MS. NELSON: What is it that you want 
to know and what is it that you want to correct? 
I'm not for sure I understand -- you say the 
businesses are losing money, but yet you've never 
been down there, you've never looked at the 
financials, you've never been in my office, but 
yet you can make that deduction by just looking at 
something? I've given you -- I've given an annual 
report every year at the general council. And I 
personally handed you one, Gabby. Have you looked 
at that? Have you looked at that annual report 
and have you looked at the audit -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I know the 
Economic Department didn't create the water park, 
they didn't create the funeral home, they didn't 
create the general -- janitorial service.


 MS. NELSON: Yes, we did.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: And yet they're 
counting them as jobs they created. Then when you 



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 take those out, how many employees have we got 
left? There's not going to be very many employees 
that they created.


 MR. BURGESS: Thomas, we're going to 
go into budget discussions with our various 
departments. That includes Economic Development, 
Economic Enterprise, gaming board, and all the 
entities, the museum, even the college. So we're 
going to be looking at all those budgets and 
reviewing those. There's no guarantee that 
they'll get this year what they got last year.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: This, if you don't 
want to take action, call a special council 
meeting on this, or else authorize an agenda item 
on the annual meeting. Because we'll just lose 
some more thousands of dollars from now 'til 
April. If that's the way we've got to do it, 
we've got to do it. Authorize a moratorium on the 
agenda item for the annual meeting. That way, if 
you don't want to represent us, let the people, 
let us represent ourselves so we can vote on it, 
so we can have a voice. We need people that will 
represent us.


 MR. BURGESS: When we get there in 
April, that's what you can do, Thomas. 



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 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: That's what I'm 
saying, put it on your annual budget or annual 
agenda item.


 MR. BURGESS: When we get to the line 
items, that's when you can get up and discuss that 
and let the people make the decision.


 MR. THOMAS NARCOMEY: Meantime, you 
can still put an agenda item to put a moratorium 
on the economic department.


 MR. BURGESS: People will vote it up 
or down. If you want to say put a moratorium on 
it, you know -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Moratorium, revise 
the ordinances, whatever. But you need to change 
the staff and the board. You know, there's no -nothing's 
been going on. We're just going to 
continue having a loss 'til -


 MS. NELSON: You don't even know 
what's been done.


 MR. BURGESS: Thomas, before you stop 
anything, you have to have a plan to stop to see 
what it costs you not to do something. So that 
evaluation will have to carry forward. Before we 
do any moratorium or voting, we're going to have 
to meet with them and see what it is what's 



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 working, not working, and ask them to either pare 
it down or cut it off. So let us get down to that 
point.


 You used one word that covers all of 
this, Thomas, revised economic ordinance. And my 
assumption here, you mean the Economic Development 
Corporation where Mr. Tahmahkera and board members 
sit over there, Clean Sweep. That's what you're 
referring to. All right.


 MR. HENSON: Not the corporation, 
Enterprise. You just said corporation.


 MR. BURGESS: Economic Development, 
that's what they're at this time.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Not corporation.


 MR. BURGESS: Okay. Moving on. 
Ms. Tibbs is not here.


 Karl, Mr. Tahkopfer, Clyde added you 
to the agenda, but I don't have a copy of that 
contract.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: The attorneys should 
have it.


 MR. BURGESS: Do y'all have it 
available? I know you e-mailed it to me, but I 
neglected to bring it with me.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Do you have a copy of 



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 it, Karl?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Let me ask a 
question of the CBC here. Didn't we submit an RFP 
and that RFP is what we're waiting for to act upon


 this? 
MR. HENSON: Yes, yes. 
MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's not the 
contract. We said we want a well bore geologist. 
MR. BURGESS: And we put out the

 announcement.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's the way 
we're addressing this.


 MR. BURGESS: Did that go to 
Mr. Nauni?


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: It was on the 
Website.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: No, they came into 
Nicole.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: But it's on the 
Website, though.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's where we 
announced it, on the Website.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: So it's done?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. That was the 
way we were proceeding to gain that person to do 



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 that job. It was by RFP, not by a contract. Now, 
that will result in something like that.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: That seems like to me 
more of stalling thing to stop this thing. We're 
headed for critical times with our water, Bob, and 
you need to admit that, and these people ought to 
know about it, the allottees and stuff.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: It's not a 
stalling technique. To make it fair, it had to go 
out to everybody. We couldn't just appoint you. 
We talked about that as a committee and that's 
what we decided. There's not going to be a whole 
lot of people out there, we know that, that can do 
what you can do. But we figured we make it fair 
and announce it.


 MR. HENSON: It's our policies and 
procedures that we have to follow.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Sole source 
contract in certain situations.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: This has been going 
on since June, you know.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The CBC agreed to 
do that, so that's why -


 MR. TAHKOPFER: That's a long time. 
You know, six or eight months not to take action 



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 on something, just stall it and stall it like you 
really don't want it. And when we approach these 
critical drought times like we are now, it hurts 
our allottees.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Tahkopfer, let 
me ask the CBC this. The 6th was the closing 
date. Was there any submissions?


 MR. BURGESS: 7th.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Was there any 
submissions?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Not that I received.


 MR. BURGESS: I don't know. Nicole 
was receiving it, but she didn't tell us. I 
didn't ask that question. But going by the 
procurement policies and procedures, the 
applicants will be reviewed and then the most 
qualified will be hired, also based on tribal 
preference.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: So those are then 
received and then they're evaluated based upon 
response to the RFP?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: But I didn't receive 
one from Karl.


 MR. BURGESS: He said they were 
listed to go to Nicole. 



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 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This one was to go 
to Nicole.


 MR. BURGESS: Closing was yesterday, 
so we don't even know. They were supposed to be 
closing on the 7th.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Did you submit one?


 MR. NARCOMEY: No.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Then you're not going 
to be considered.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: Fine. I'll go 
elsewhere.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Anyway, there's no 
contract that wasn't pursued.


 MR. NARCOMEY: We should have hired 
Karl right off the bat, the way I look at it, 
instead of waiting and waiting.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: RFP.


 MR. NARCOMEY: We did a lot of things 
on the spur of the moment that we know, some 
people know that it's not right. And important 
things like water, you know, that's important.


 MR. BURGESS: Well, it sounds like we 
don't have any applicants, so we should reannounce 
it.


 MR. NARCOMEY: We couldn't even 



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 reannounce it. The Comanche elders knows. 
They've been messing with this seven months now, 
and they'll probably still be waiting in April.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: But, Clyde, 
remember the -- not me, the CBC decided this. The 
CBC said go RFP. And that's to be in accord with 
procurement. We're trying to get into order of 
following policy and procedure.


 MR. NARCOMEY: And here we hire 
people being investigated or charged with 
embezzlement. They're still on board. You know, 
I heard we gave them a raise, too.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'm not into that, 
I don't know what you're talking about 
specifically, but -


 MR. NARCOMEY: You don't know about 
the raise? You don't know?


 MR. OWENS: I don't care to talk 
about it.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We're talking about 
this one subject. That's the way we did. So if 
we have no applicants, we'll reissue it. I'd like 
to suggest, if you'd entertain it here before we 
have Debbie come forward, I'd like to get one 
motion acted upon, if you will entertain this. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Mr. Tippeconnie is 
going to be traveling to the NCAI board in January 
here, or is it February?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: January.


 MR. BURGESS: And this is the 25th 
through the 28th. And he's the Southern Plains 
Regional Vice-President, so he represents all 
tribes, about 15 of us.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Twenty or more.


 MR. BURGESS: Twenty of us or more. 
We need a motion to approve his travel.


 MR. HENSON: When is that going to 
be?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: 24th through 28th.


 MR. HENSON: I'll make a motion to 
approve.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: And a second, 
Chairman.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion by Mr. Henson, 
second by Mr. Darrell Kosechequetah. All those in 
favor signify by saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. The ayes 
have it. 



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 MR. NARCOMEY: Another thing, too, 
going back to Karl's deal, we have a lady that her 
contract run out on June 22nd. We still got her 
on board. She's wasting our people's money. Even 
though her contract's run out -


 MR. BURGESS: Well, we all know how 
that happened and why, so -- we'll get this 
going.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: Well, Robert, I know 
you wanted to be the water man, but you're not 
qualified, you're not a hydrologist.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'm not trying to 
be the water man.


 MR. TAHKOPFER: You were before I 
came on the scene.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I participated in 
water activity, yes.


 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, you're 
next on the agenda.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Okay. I guess we're 
going to keep going over and over this until it's 
corrected. I have a stack here you told me to -when 
we met with Donna Wahnee, she brought out 
some issues that weren't even pertaining to 
anything. She did a bunch of paperwork that was 



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 all her writing and gave you copies of it. 
Everything I gave you was government documents, 
official government documents, and here's a stack 
of only three years that people have been put on 
the roll from other tribes in reference to what 
she was talking about.


 Also, my enrollment number is 4568. 
Ron, yours is 2000 past mine. If I didn't make 
open enrollment, how did you make open 
enrollment? Because all the RedElks are in Fort 
Townsend, but you're in 7,000, so how did that 
happen? Also, not the only one. 
Mr. Kosechequetah, it seems like all your family 
enrolled at the same time. How did that happen?


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Let me see it.


 MRS. HENDRIX: See right there? All 
enrolled because their numbers are all in 
sequence, so they all enrolled at the same time.


 Michael Burgess, your number is after 
mine. So is -- oh, and Donna and her sister 
enrolled at the same time. She was saying that my 
son and daughter couldn't enroll at the same time, 
but yet her and her sister did. Carmalita Edwards 
enrolled after I did, Michael Burgess did.


 MR. BURGESS: What year was this? 



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 You're talking about these years. 1967?


 MRS. HENDRIX: No, we didn't have 
enrollment until '76.


 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, but you had to be 
on the Comanche roll or Kiowa roll or Apache roll 
in order to get the per cap distribution.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Right. And did I not 
show you that last time?


 MR. BURGESS: You probably did. You 
showed me a lot of stuff.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Right. And those of 
us that were here, here is a resolution on me that 
said the Comanche Nation Constitution ratified in 
1962 did not allow for open enrollment, period. 
The application for enrollment was received after 
the 90-day period after approval of the 
constitution.


 Well, when the constitution was 
approved in 1966, we didn't have membership. And 
if you pull out your constitution, you will see 
that membership wasn't added until 1976. That's 
why everybody's enrollment through the Bureau says 
'76. Mine says '76, my father's says '76, my 
husband's says '76. You go home and look at 
yours, yours says '76. 



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 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mine says '74.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Well, my application 
in '73 was what one of the enrollment people told 
me the other day, but Donna had blocked that out 
and showed people that mine is '73. But through 
the Bureau when you got your Bureau enrollment, it 
says '76, because we didn't have enrollment until 
'76. So my enrollment through the Bureau, which 
they did the enrollment in '76, says '76, I 
believe it's May of '76, and our constitution says 
we amended our constitution to add membership May 
of '76, then how did I not make the 90-day open 
enrollment? How did you make it?


 But, just to show you that, they're 
saying I was duly enrolled on the Caddo Tribe. 
He's a Caddo Tribe constitution. It was ratified 
in '76, but their tribal membership didn't start 
until '82. They did not have membership, a 
membership roll, you could not be on the Caddo 
roll until '82. This is in black and white, 
people. How was I dually enrolled in '76 when the 
Caddos didn't even have an enrollment roll until 
'82? What, seven years later, eight years later? 
So they can foresee the future that I'm going to 
be on the Caddo roll eight years later? 



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 Okay. It also say that my kids were 
dually enrolled. This is a resolution. These are 
the only things we're going to consider here 
because this is what they used to disenroll me. 
They said my kids were dually enrolled.


 I have a letter from the Bureau, I 
also have the letter from the Caddo Tribe stating 
that I never received any monetary benefits from 
the Caddo Tribe. I've got that here. This is in 
a letter. I've also got a letter from the tribe 
saying the encoding was done through the Bureau. 
Here's the encoding sheet. These are government 
documents, people, that state the encoding was 
done.


 And then to boot all that, the 
chairman of the Caddo Tribe, the enrollment 
director and the enrollment clerk signed a letter 
and sent it here that the kids were not on the 
Caddo roll, they were on the Comanche roll. They 
sent all these documents, but Donna failed to 
present all of those until I did.


 She would like -- I've told, most of 
you know, because I've sent -- everybody knows my 
whole history. I've sent everything out on the 
Internet. I have been enrolled since '59 on the 



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 KCA roll, because we were all KCA. This is a 
whole stack of only three years of people, and 
there are kids in here that came from the Kiowa 
Tribe at the same age my kids came from the Caddo 
Tribe.


 I told them before, there is a Julie 
and a Keba Hendrix that were on the Caddo roll. 
They didn't switch when they were 18, but they're 
on the Comanche roll. My brother's kids, two 
boys, came from the Caddo roll. They didn't 
switch when they were 18, but they're on the 
Comanche roll.


 So this has been a singling out, and 
after all these documents I have presented it 
continues. My kids have been hurt because of 
this, and I'm not going anywhere until it's 
corrected. If I have to go back to Washington, 
I'm going back to Washington, because this will be 
corrected. I hope before I die. My best friend 
left this world, you know, with hanging over a 
recall on him that never was corrected. I hope 
those people feel bad that did that to him.


 I'd like this resolved so I can move 
on and my kids can move on. My kids -- my 
daughter has two kids that are on the Comanche 



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51


 roll. Here, the Bureau says the base roll, rolls 
are used by the BIA and the tribal governments to 
determine who is eligible for citizenship in 
various Indian nations. You often see these terms 
used in tribal constitution, BIA documents, and 
tribal enrollment. Right on the base roll this is 
what it says: The list of original members of a 
tribe as designated in a tribal constitution or 
other documents specifying enrollment criteria. 
Future members usually must be able to trace a 
descendant from a parent named on the base roll.


 So they had to use me to put my 
grandkids on there because I'm on the base roll. 
Now, tell me how that works. These documents have 
been in black and white for three years, and 
anybody that can read can read these are official 
documents. So what's the problem? Do we want to 
start going through the list? Do we want to start 
going through the list?


 You told me to prepare the list. I 
have the list. I also have all these documents of 
people that came from other rolls and -- okay. I 
gave you a whole list. These people all came from 
different rolls. They didn't make open 
enrollment, but they made the roll. One of them 



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 is Shelly Asepermy, Lanny's wife. She didn't make 
open enrollment. She didn't switch when she was


 18. 
MR. TIPPECONNIE: Debbie, I'd like to 
suggest that the CBC go into executive session and 
discuss this.


 MRS. HENDRIX: No. These people all 
know what's going on.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You're presenting 
it to us, but the CBC needs to have a discussion.


 MR. BURGESS: The CBC needs to have a 
discussion among ourselves on this. Before we do 
that, we have the optometry contract.


 MRS. HENDRIX: What else can you 
discuss that I haven't discussed for the past 
three years?


 MR. BURGESS: We want to discuss 
among ourselves what our action's going to be, the 
resolution is going to be.


 MRS. HENDRIX: You can vacate all the 
resolutions on the kids and me, and you can't say 
that hasn't been done, because five years ago you 
vacated a resolution.


 MR. BURGESS: Which one was that? 
MRS. HENDRIX: On you. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Five years ago on me?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes, to restore the 
powers of the tribal administrator. Remember they 
took it all away from you? Well, five years later 
they vacated the resolution where they took all 
your powers away.


 MR. BURGESS: They did that in 2009 
and they internally passed that resolution in 
2006, so eight years later.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Four.


 MR. BURGESS: What was it that I went 
to jail for or something?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yeah, here it is in 
black and white, four. They vacated it five years 
later. Now, this has been going on three years. 
And like I said, my enrollment number is 4 
something, and I've got the list of people that 
were enrolled after me and they're on the roll. 
And some of you are on that. So if I didn't make 
open enrollment in '76, I guess y'all didn't 
either. Right, Mark?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: So there's a motion 
by the CBC?


 MR. BURGESS: Not yet. We're just 
making a statement here. 



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 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Is there -maybe 
I don't understand all this enrollment 
thing, but what is the reason that when someone is 
enrolled -- this number or whatever, we don't know 
who's on it, who's applying to be in our tribe. 
We never have an opportunity to say I'm not 
related to that person, because we don't know who 
they are. We don't have an opportunity to present 
evidence that they are a blood kin, that they 
should be on the rolls. We don't know anything 
about it. We get a list -- or I don't. I get a 
list number that they have either been accepted or 
been rejected or they're applying for, but we 
don't know who they are and we don't know who's 
been accepted, and why aren't we allowed to know 
who wants to join us?


 MRS. HENDRIX: They just voted on 
membership this morning, but they didn't tell you 
the names.


 MR. BURGESS: In the past, we've had 
lists that are up to 50 names long. Sometimes 
they were read. Now, today we have a list of 28 
people. And when I came into office, all we had 
was the first and last name of that individual. 
In talking to Ms. Wahnee, I've asked her to start 



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 including the family names. This young lady here, 
Aiyana Alrahimi, she's out of the Otipoby family. 
It's her parents whose responsibility it is to 
make this known to us and to verify that they meet 
the requirements of the constitution.


 We have Rachel Bates, she's out of 
the Ototivo, Penockquaddy, Chasenah families. We 
have Cruz Burgess. He's from the Perdasofpy, 
Say-Wy, Cable, Wermy and Atauvich families. We 
have Jasmine Clark. She's out of the Clark, 
Parker, Teresaz, Permansu families. Jason 
Parks -- see, it gets longer. So it gets to be 
pretty long, but you can go and request a copy. 
Once it's voted on, you can request a copy to see 
if you're related to any of these.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: But can you 
request a copy or can you post a copy somewhere?


 MR. BURGESS: You can go and request 
a copy of this once it's voted on and approved. 
Even those that are voted out you can request a 
copy.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My question 
is, why can't there be a posting, even somewhere 
at the complex, of the people who are applying to 
be on and the people who have been accepted as 



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 being on?


 MR. BURGESS: It's not always in the 
paper, but it could be there. But then again, if 
you want to know that and you're the first person 
who's asked me if they can have a copy of this. 
So I'm not going to post something unless it's 
majority people want to know, and all they have to 
do is call the office to find out who's been 
approved this month on the list. Some people do, 
particularly family members.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I would more 
want to know who's applying to be -


 MR. BURGESS: That's confidential. 
That's up to the family.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: That's 
confidential.


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: That's not your 
business or my business.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My business is 
someone claiming to be kin to me and they're not.


 MR. HENSON: Let me say something 
here. We have an enrollment director and she has 
a staff, and they give them the application. The 
whole staff goes through and they do a research on 
the background of each person. That's how they 



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 come up with the background of what family they 
come from and so on and so forth.


 MS. MALLORY: Because there were -my 
mom was on her deathbed and there were people 
coming down there with altered documents, and I 
seen altered documents. Because I have documents 
from back in the 1800s, and you can go and look at 
them now and you can see where one-fourth has been 
altered to four-fourths. I think it's important 
that we have an opportunity to defend ourselves 
against people that are claiming -


 MR. HENSON: Could we get your name 
for the record?


 MS. MALLORY: My name is Linda Lee 
Mallory.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Most of the time 
begins when they apply for the application. They 
provide all the backup. This was done -- it's a 
government document, too -- census of the Comanche 
birth in 1913. It shows my dad, Charles Wells, to 
be born to Otto Wells, original allottee. This is 
what I provided showing my lineage and that I am 
Comanche.


 MR. HENSON: I might say one other 
thing. All the resolutions passed are public 



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 record, so if you want to go and get a copy of 
anything there, you can ask for it and they'll 
give it to you.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: On the Website of 
the Comanche Nation, is the new membership people 
listed?


 MR. BURGESS: No.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: You might want to 
start doing that.


 MRS. HENDRIX: You can also go to 
Lonnie's office at the agency and request 
information on your family, and they'll go back to 
the beginning and show all those -


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: My grandfather 
was born in the 1880s and my grandmother was born 
in 1902, and my father is going to be 100 in 
April. So I have firsthand knowledge of my 
immediate relatives and those that are younger 
than I am.


 MRS. HENDRIX: That's exactly the way 
I do. Daddy kept all these documents, kept them 
all, and I have the whole book of the Comanches, 
Kiowas and Apaches in a wooden book with all those 
old documents in it. I have that.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: There's 



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 something wrong with what I hear, and I haven't 
lived here but almost three years. I've been out 
of state and I have moved my mom back here because 
she didn't want to die away from her people. I 
just think that what I've heard about who is and 
who isn't, and whose color is light and who's dark 
and whatever, and our -- I don't know how many 
times our constitution's been amended. I have a 
copy of the original original, original.


 MRS. HENDRIX: I do, too.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: There are a 
lot of people that I think meet that requirement 
that somehow or another didn't get enrolled or 
didn't know about it, especially if you didn't 
live right there. And those people are children 
and grandchildren of people that were forcibly 
assimilated. I go to Fort Sill reunions and I 
hear what a wonderful time they had. My mom and 
her sister went because the sheriff picked them up 
and hauled them over there, cut their hair, beat 
them up, and then they sent them off to other 
parts of the country. You come back here and you 
hear oh, well, you left, you didn't stick around.


 Well, those are the people that 
enabled the rest of us to have the right to sit 



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 here and say that we're Comanche, those original 
people, and when the original enrollees were 
enrolled in that 1898 and the 1906 one, it was if 
you were living with a Comanche, if you were 
accepted by the Comanche as a Comanche, then you 
were enrolled, you're allotted as a Comanche. 
This was an allotment scale. And then the 
constitution said that the descendants of that. 
And if you were born before -- my son was born 
before the constitution, so there is the provision 
for those children who were direct descendants of 
an original allottee. But I don't seem to hear 
that happening here.


 MS. HALL: Well, you need to talk to 
the former chairman, the one that done it. Put it 
back like they were and let the girls or the men 
decide what roll they want to be on. Debbie, 
she's been Comanche all the time I've known her.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I've got a question 
for the lawyers. CBC voted her and her kids off, 
right? The CBC did?


 MR. NORMAN: Well, they -


 MR. NARCOMEY: Now, to reinstate 
them, can the CBC reinstate them by a vote?


 MR. NORMAN: The CBC didn't disenroll 



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 them. The CBC acknowledged that the constitution 
automatically disenrolled them. But the problem 
all along with this has been the constitutional 
language, which says that an individual under 
certain circumstances is automatically not 
eligible to be a member. And if that language 
about what automatically happens to a person were 
not there, then the elected officials would have 
greater discretion to address these issues on a 
case-by-case basis.


 That's why we recommended over and 
over and over again that we need to address the 
constitution, either by proposing an open 
enrollment or by omitting that language or both, 
so that you can provide -- the constitutional 
language does that automatically.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes, and I just read 
where the constitution says -- the resolution says 
I didn't make the 90-day open enrollment period. 
And I just showed you on the constitution that we 
didn't amend our constitution to add a Comanche to 
the Comanche roll until 1976, and my enrollment is 
May 1976, even though I put in an application in 
'73 and I was on the KCA roll since I was born. 
So that provision in the constitution makes me 



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 eligible.


 Now, if he wants to say that CBC can 
decide, that's bull crap. I went to Washington,


 D.C. The deputy director in EchoHawk's office 
said that our constitution does not provide for 
disenrollment. And I said, well, they're telling 
me we'd have to amend our constitution to add, to 
putting people back on, and he said why. There's 
no place in it that says you can disenroll them. 
And besides, this is not an enrollment issue. 
This is a constitutional issue. 
MR. NORMAN: That's exactly what I 
said.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And the constitution 
says I made open enrollment when we added 
enrollment. I was on the roll. I went from the 
KCA roll to the Comanche roll, as did the Kiowas 
to the Kiowa, as Apache, but we're still KCA 
Indians.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: So are we all 
vulnerable to disenrollment, then, if somebody 
doesn't like you?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes. This was a 
conspiracy, and I'll give you a copy of the 
minutes and you can read it, you can see what 



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 happened.


 MR. NORMAN: This was the beginning 
of a -- I think there was a statement made earlier 
about people being pinpointed. I believe there 
were 80 families or 80 individuals I believe 
initially in this audit of the enrollment records 
to determine and verify whether or not people had 
been properly placed on the roll. My 
understanding is that there remains additional 
auditing to be done, but it's all to make sure 
that the documentation in an individual's file 
comports to constitutional provisions currently 
about enrollment.


 And again, if those constitutional 
provisions are creating problems or if the 
enrollment of an individual previously did not 
satisfy those constitutional requirements, there 
are a number of people being affected by that, the 
answer to that is to address it with a 
constitutional amendment, so that everyone may 
find themselves in that situation can have those 
circumstances addressed.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Let me ask one 
more question.


 MR. WAUQUA: May I say something 



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 before you get on with this?


 MR. BURGESS: Go ahead, Pratt.


 MR. WAUQUA: I'm an elder. My name 
is Pratt Wauqua, but I'm a lot older than all of 
y'all. So I'm going to sit here and say 
something. We elected committee people to run our 
tribes. We got a white man over there trying to 
dictate our tribe to us. We don't need that. We 
elected y'all to do our job for us, and here y'all 
are trying to tear down our tribe. I thought 
y'all was trying to build our tribe, not put it 
away.


 And then you got one over there that 
says we need to go into executive session to 
discuss something. What are you going to discuss 
when the whole paper is laying there on your 
table? All you got to do is go around to each 
one, do you believe what she said. You could sit 
there and discuss it all. You don't need to go in 
the back door and discuss or be ashamed of what 
you're doing. Stand out in front of the people. 
Stand up. Be what you're supposed to be, what you 
were elected for, not to listen to somebody 
dictate to you what our tribe needs to be.


 You're there for us. Y'all hired 



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 him. Y'all kept him. Whatever y'all need for 
advice, then ask him. Don't let him dictate what 
our tribe is like. We need something better than 
what we got now. We need our people back 
together. That's what we really need.


 MR. BURGESS: He was explaining to 
Linda there the circumstances when the CBC took 
the vote and how it is a constitutional matter. 
He agreed with Debbie, it's a constitutional 
question. So until you change the constitution or 
until we find out that we want to have a meeting, 
special meeting, a hearing to reinstate her. 
That's what we have to discuss, and it's getting 
-- it's dragging on. We have other things to 
attend to here.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Well, it's been 
dragging on for almost three years.


 MR. WAUQUA: You got the paper right 
here. You need to come out and say let's put her 
on or leave her off.


 MRS. GALLEGOS: Wasn't it Ron that 
made the motion to disenroll you guys? They can 
put you back on.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have a 
question to the attorney through the chair, 



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 please. I want to know if when you amend the 
constitution the people that were enrolled under 
the original constitution that didn't have all 
this if you ever or whatever and when you're 18, 
whatever, if when you amended that, were the 
people who were already enrolled originally, were 
they then safe from disenrollment? Or can you 
come back and amend the constitution and go back 
and say, well, they weren't?


 MR. NORMAN: Two things. One, as the 
gentleman said, we only advise and provide 
recommendations, which can either be accepted or 
rejected. The CBC makes these determinations. 
This particular discussion has gone through two 
business committee hearings and four court 
proceedings, and all of them have ended the same 
way.


 With respect to an amendment to the 
constitution, it would be up to these individuals 
to craft what that constitutional amendment is. 
The Supreme Court and Congress says tribes have 
their own inherent authority to determine who 
their members are. And so what you determine 
through the framework of your existing 
constitution about who will be and who will not be 



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 a Comanche through that constitutional amendment 
process has to be approved by the Department of 
Interior. But it's up to your body of elected 
officials to craft that.


 Now, I can't guarantee you that 
somebody won't craft something in an attempt to 
maybe reduce the number. We have heard in the 
past people are concerned about per capita 
payments, and so they want to go from one-eighth 
back to a quarter. So there may be pressure in 
the future for that. So I can't guarantee you 
that there won't be pressure at some point for 
people to reduce the number of people on Comanche 
rolls. But they should not -- I think it would be 
our recommendation to them not to remove people 
that historically have been on the Comanche roll.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Historically, I have 
been since I've been on the KCA roll. But let me 
tell you something. When we had this meeting the 
last time, your enrollment director, I said I can 
prove everything that you're saying about me and 
my kids, that you submitted this in the past, all 
of this, for three years. This is just three 
years.


 This is the list you were talking 



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 about of those enrolled, coming from other tribes, 
coming when they were too old, coming when they 
were still on another tribe. And then there's 
some that weren't even Comanche, and then a couple 
months later they could become Comanche and they 
get on the roll. Now, tell me how that happens.


 MR. BURGESS: Clyde, did you have 
your hand up?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Also, there are people 
that aren't Comanche. If this continues, the 
whole list I've got where Oscar, Lanny's wife, and 
all them didn't make open enrollment, then if 
you're going to go by what he said, then all these 
people need to come off. Ron needs to come off, 
you and your family need to decide who made the 
open enrollment and who didn't. So, you know, 
that's what we're going back to. But your 
enrollment director sat here when I told her I've 
got all these documents, you know what she said? 
Well, good, that means more per cap for the rest 
of us. That's your enrollment director.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Just for the record, I 
was sitting on the CBC at that time. I think Ron 
was also. But when we voted on Debbie, I think it 
was 6 to 1. 6 to take her off, 1 to keep her on. 



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 I was the one that voted to keep her on. Just for 
the record. If it comes up again, I'm going to 
vote to put her back on. Just a personal grudge 
against Debbie at that time.


 MRS. HENDRIX: You know what? I was 
sitting outside in the lobby when they disenrolled 
me. They could have called me in. Did they? 
No. But then they voted that night, the attorneys 
had them sign it, they delivered it to me the next 
day, the day before general council, because I was 
going to run for Secretary/Treasurer. They didn't 
want me to run, so they disenrolled me.


 These two are here illegally, the 
Bureau says, because they took me off by a phone 
vote off the ballot, and that's illegal by our 
constitution. But the attorney's not going to 
tell you that.


 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, that last 
statement about the vote, I requested in writing 
of the BIA to show me any documents that went to 
them about this vote, and they have no documents 
from anybody purporting that the two gentlemen 
here were elected illegally. I asked them to 
supply anything they had based on your statement, 
and they told me there was nothing in writing. 



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 MRS. HENDRIX: Here it is. Not in 
writing?


 MR. BURGESS: Well, not to me. They 
said there wasn't.


 MRS. HENDRIX: But all this, even one 
of the people that disenrolled me, I can prove, 
isn't even Comanche.


 MR. HENSON: Prove it.


 MRS. HENDRIX: I can. As a matter of 
fact, two of them I can. Two of them that was on 
the board I can prove aren't Comanche because I've 
got all the documents on them.


 MR. BURGESS: Debbie, this is about 
your enrollment. This is not about the election.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yeah, but it says on 
here.


 MR. BURGESS: I asked them for 
anything they had. They didn't give me anything. 
Said they didn't have it.


 MS. HALL: What we're mad about, when 
we had the hearing, the day before they told us 
that we couldn't bring anybody in or get any 
help. The day before.


 MR. BURGESS: No representation?


 MS. HALL: The day before, 



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 Ms. Wahnee read the letter and said we could not 
have anybody there except the person that was to 
be hearing.


 MR. BURGESS: I know this is a big 
topic, and a lot of people want to step in and 
weigh in on it because it's been going on three 
years.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Let me read this. You 
said you wanted to know. There's no provision for 
transacting business by phone vote, whether it is 
a conference call or by polling CBC members on the 
phone. Actions taken outside of a properly-called 
meeting with a quorum present are void.


 MR. BURGESS: You referred to the two 
gentlemen being elected.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Then it's void.


 MR. BURGESS: There was nothing from 
the Bureau that said the election was voided. I 
asked them that question.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Right here.


 MR. BURGESS: No, that's about the 
poll vote, that's not about the election.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yeah, because then all 
the actions taken while everybody -


 MR. BURGESS: There is no protest 



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 that these gentlemen were -


 MRS. HENDRIX: What does that tell 
you, people, that I just read to you? That 
everything is void, right?


 MR. BURGESS: That's referring to a 
poll vote on your vote. That's not referring to 
your election.


 MRS. HENDRIX: It says action taken 
outside a properly-called meeting.


 MR. BURGESS: You said they were 
elected illegally.


 MRS. HENDRIX: They are. It says 
right here outside a present quorum are void. So 
that meeting where they had and put them on the 
ballot and not me is void, Mike. This present 
says void.


 MR. BURGESS: Then that's a whole 
different topic. That's referring to your 
enrollment. That's not referring to the election


 process. 
MRS. HENDRIX: 
MR. BURGESS: 
MRS. HENDRIX: 
MR. BURGESS: 


 not to the chairman. 


 They addressed it. 
No one protested it. 
I did. 
In a letter to you but



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 MRS. HENDRIX: I did protest it. It 
was $1,000. 
MR. BURGESS: Not to the BIA. 
MRS. HENDRIX: I wrote a letter to

 them. That's why they answered this by the phone 
vote.


 MR. BURGESS: I don't know about 
that. I asked about the election.


 MRS. HENDRIX: I'll get the letter 
that I wrote to them and show you, and that's what 
they're referring to when they answer me. Where 
was our attorneys when this phone vote was taken?


 Why didn't they tell -MR. 
BURGESS: 
carrying on too long. 
MRS. HENDRIX 
too long for my kids. 
MR. BURGESS: 


 Mrs. Hendrix, we're


 Three years has been


 I was wanting to go


 into a meeting and discuss establishing a special 
meeting among ourselves. I tried it twice in 
executive session, Debbie.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Every time I have met 
with you, it's well, we need a special meeting, we 
need a special meeting.


 MR. BURGESS: We have to conduct a 



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 hearing again. If we conduct a hearing for you,


 then we conduct one for everybody.


 MRS. HENDRIX: So?


 MR. BURGESS: You want us to spend 
all that time on that?


 MRS. HENDRIX: These people that were 
disenrolled were done out of spite. Our Comanche 
princess was disenrolled.


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Mrs. Gallegos?


 MRS. GALLEGOS: I just want to say 
one thing on the whole process. I don't think the 
people that were disenrolled were given due 
process, because the CBC that disenrolled them or 
agreed that they were not legally enrolled were 
also on the panel when they filed a -- for the 
hearing. It was the same individuals that heard 
that made that decision. So if you -- anywhere 
else if you go and you get, you know, you get 
fired by your boss, well, then you go for a review 
board. It's different people that hear it. You 
know, so that it's fair. This was not fair. The 
people who voted for it to happen are the ones who 
sat on the hearing board, and they're not going to 
change their minds. So it was not -- the due 
process was not there. Ron was the one who made 



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 the motion to disenroll them. So he's sitting 
right there, he can make a motion to rescind his 
motion. And then if the people sitting right 
there agree -


 MRS. HENDRIX: But what I'm saying 
is, the other 100 or 100-and-some received 
letters. Her daughter never received a letter. 
It was posted, but she didn't receive a letter. 
But boy, they came out to my house and hand 
delivered it to me by law enforcement the night 
before general council. Now, what does that tell 
you? Is that not a conspiracy? If they mailed it 
to me, I wouldn't get it until next week.


 MRS. GALLEGOS: I think you should be 
addressing these questions to Mr. RedElk. He was 
on the CBC at the time.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Clyde was on there. 
He'll tell you what happened.


 MS. HALL: We weren't given a fair 
chance at all. It was just cut and dried.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And, Ron, you know 
good and well my family, and you knew my dad. If 
my dad was up here today, he'd be up here telling 
you and telling all of you.


 MR. WAUQUA: Ask Ron what he thinks 



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 about it.


 MS. HALL: He's not saying a word.


 MR. BURGESS: Let's move on.


 MR. REDELK: What I made my motion on 
was based on the information that enrollment gave 
us. Not only on Debbie's case, but all of the 
others. Now, I can't quote word for word 
everything that all of those individual cases 
were, but it wasn't easy. I feel like I'm a 
compassionate person, and I know that it hurt 
these families. Any decision that I make is based 
upon the rule of law that gives me authority as a 
CBC member.


 MRS. HENDRIX: You took that 
authority, then.


 MR. REDELK: And that is the 
constitution. And everything that I recall about 
all of those situations, including yours, Debbie, 
was that that was an out-of-order enrollment. The 
last meeting that we had, I didn't see any 
documents that you provided that stated anything 
different.


 MRS. HENDRIX: The government 
documents you saw from the Bureau, the base roll 
document, the original, this came out of the book 



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 that I have, 1913. And Donna can't come up with 
anything 1913. The official KCA payment in 1959 
to me, you didn't see any of that because copies 
were made for all of you. You didn't see the 
letter from the Bureau stating I've never been on 
any other roll. But, Ron, let me ask you this: I 
showed them the Comanche constitution. We were 
amended in '76 to add membership. The Caddos 
weren't amended until '82 to add membership. What 
does that tell you as a supposedly intellectual, 
intelligent person? That if the Caddos didn't 
have a roll until 1982, what does that tell you 
about me being dually enrolled in '76? What does 
that tell you?


 MR. REDELK: You've presented a lot 
of materials, you've mentioned my enrollment 
number, your enrollment number. I don't know what 
those numbers mean. I don't even know when I 
enrolled.


 MRS. HENDRIX: See.


 MR. REDELK: Or if I enrolled.


 MRS. HENDRIX: That's what I'm 
saying. Nobody does, because the Bureau did it 
from the KCA rolls. We're all KCA Indians. They 
did it from the KCA roll. You were automatically 



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 put on the Comanches because you were on the KCA 
roll. So was I, so was my family, because we were 
all Comanche from the KCA roll. All the Kiowas 
were. Now we have Kiowas switching to the 
Comanches because of the per cap.


 MS. MCDANIEL: We are discussing this 
-- we have been discussing it for a long time.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And here's the 
attorneys whispering in everybody's ear.


 MS. MCDANIEL: Nobody wants to sit 
here and listen to it time and time again, but 
this affects our entire nation, not just Debbie, 
not just the folks that have family disenrolled, 
but it's our whole nation, and it has to be 
corrected. You're sitting here listening to 
evidence that she didn't have an opportunity to 
provide when you made a snap decision and removed 
her from the roll. The rest of them didn't have 
an opportunity to present their records and 
evidence, and that is denying each one of them due 
process and fair treatment.


 Our law does not provide you the 
opportunity to mistreat our people. You should 
have listened to them, you should have made 
opportunity for them to present evidence in a 



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 hearing where they would be -- where they would 
have due process and fair treatment. What y'all 
did to them was not right. It was wrong. So you 
gentlemen, all of you right here, seven of you, 
those men back there made that decision. It was a 
wrong decision. You men right here can correct it 
today. You were the only one that voted no. 
Today, you should be the one that stands up and 
says, I make a motion we pass it to correct this 
wrong that we did to our people. You are a 
leader. You're going to go down in history 
remembered for what you did to your people. Is 
that the way you want to be remembered?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, Thomas?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I was listening to 
the attorney, William Norman, explain the 
enrollment. This is kind of related -- is 
related. I remember we had a lot of trouble in 
the past with people being put on the roll for 
self-interest. You know, more votes. CBC was 
putting a lot of people on the roll. We had a lot 
of trouble with that. So I kept on saying we need 
an audit, we need an audit. You can check the CBC 
minutes and see my speeches in there, whatever. I 
don't know. I wanted an audit. Finally they done 



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 an audit, and we got rid of 80 people or more.


 Our attorneys said we should have 
done a more comprehensive audit, so I would say we 
need a resolution, CBC resolution to do an audit, 
forensic audit to day one and maybe put an amount 
in the budget for that audit to help pay for it, 
to clean up that enrollment. There's a lot of 
wrongs in the past, but we need to correct it. I 
mean, ask attorney Norman.


 MRS. HENDRIX: We had an open 
enrollment in 2002. August 23rd, 2002 we had an 
open enrollment, so everybody on the roll from 
that back should be on the roll. The audit should 
be from September 1 or August 24th forward to the 
audit. Because the open enrollment meant that 
everybody that was on the roll was on the roll, 
right? Okay. So you begin August 24th forward, 
and you do the audit. All these on the 2002 -


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: 80 people. How 
much money, per caps did they receive illegally? 
We can get that back.


 MR. BURGESS: Thomas, of those 80 
people approximately, I want to say 40 or 50 just 
stayed away. They didn't come back. They elected 
not to come back because, number one, they knew 



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 that their enrollment was not concurrent and they 
were already with another tribe or stayed with the 
tribe that they were trying to leave, because they 
knew that -- okay, the officials were spoiling, so 
they were spoiled. They were dually enrolled or 
they didn't want to come over here and had an 
option to go back to their tribe and stayed 
there.


 So we have an issue here, number one, 
I'm just going to say the alleged violation of 
civil rights. Number 2, the timing factor that 
came into this; Number 3, the allegations. I'm 
using these words because I'm not an attorney, but 
someone's going to say I say this. So I'm using 
these words kindly to say the allegations of 
political retribution. And, too, the issue of the 
tribe and the constitution, we can't have an open 
enrollment, period, because we're not taking our 
constitution -- we can only do it if we change 
blood quantum. The only factor that we can 
discuss among ourselves, the CBC, is do we want to 
take this on a motion and a resolution that she 
petitions the CBC for enrollment back into the 
tribe based upon the factors, Number 1, lack of 
civil rights infringement; 2, that while she's got 



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 documents showing she did receive or was enrolled 
in '59 because we were KCA then, but 1966 when our 
constitution was ratified, that she was brought 
over in 1966 with our constitution, all the 
enrollees at that time.


 And so those are the factors we could 
consider as a CBC, but that would have to be a new 
motion and a resolution made that would recognize 
her and her daughter. And it's a case-by-case 
basis, because not everybody wants to come back to 
the Comanches.


 MRS. GALLEGOS: Daughter and son.


 MR. BURGESS: We've only heard from 
her daughter, so I don't know that he's 
disenrolled or not. So, you know, Pratt, you're 
right, we need to come to a conclusion. You know, 
I concur with you. This is how I view it and I 
viewed it from all the beginning, but there are 
other proponents who supported me or not. Since I 
don't have a vote, I can't make a motion. You 
know, they want to restrict, but they can't 
restrict my thoughts on this whole issue, the way 
it came up. I would have been with Clyde had I 
been on this body. But at the same time, we're 
the majority here, we've got to speak. That's why 



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 I wanted to bring these factors out and discuss 
more with the CBC. It takes a resolution, not 
just a motion. It will take a resolution because 
it becomes a matter of law, the exemption factors 
that shall fall under.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Why was the minutes 
before was a motion?


 MRS. GALLEGOS: It wasn't a 
resolution.


 MRS. HENDRIX: It wasn't a resolution 
until afterwards, it was a motion, but -


 MR. WAUQUA: You can use a motion now 
and make a resolution later.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And the only ones that 
were talked about was me and my kids.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Mr. Chairman, I'd like 
to make a motion to reinstate Debbie Hendrix and 
her two children, put them back on the Comanche 
roll, just them three.


 MR. BURGESS: Based on?


 MR. NARCOMEY: Based on all this 
evidence.


 MR. BURGESS: We're going to get in a 
pickle here.


 MR. NARCOMEY: No one wants to second 



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 my motion?


 MR. BURGESS: Clyde, the factors that 
I stated, okay, if that's what you're going to do, 
that's why I wanted us to discuss this, guys, but 
you want us to stay out here in front of all of 
you, and someone's going to go out there and get 
on the Internet and criticize -


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Clyde, have you 
finished your motion?


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We need the factors 
cited.


 MR. BURGESS: Yeah, we need the 
factors cited.


 MRS. HENDRIX: How can you not know 
the factors when we've done this over and over and 
over.


 MR. BURGESS: I stated three items. 
He needs to put it in his motion.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Chairman, I was 
going to ask Mr. Narcomey, is he finished with his 
motion?


 MR. NARCOMEY: We need to -


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I believe about a 
month ago we had a vote similar to this in which 
two of us voted for Mrs. Hendrix at that time. I 



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 just want to make that known to Pratt in 
particular. We did have a vote, but it was voted 
down to reinstate her at that time through a 
motion. We may try again today based upon a 
motion from Mr. Narcomey, if there's a motion 
coming forth.


 MR. WAUQUA: I think you should give 
them all back that per cap they didn't get.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: That's up to 
Mr. Narcomey's motion. You know, I don't want to 
say this, but if you were to start doing a 
continuance of an audit, it would open such a can 
of worms.


 During the 1770s, the Viceroy 
wrote -- or the governor of New Mexico Territory 
wrote to the Viceroy of New Mexico of the Spanish 
government, he said we're fighting our own 
people. There's such a mixture of Spanish blood 
into Comanches. They were almost one-half to 
three-quarters Spanish blood. They had been 
adopted into the tribe. So if you really want to 
go back and look at your audit, you're going to 
find you're not as Comanche as you think you are. 
So with that said -


 MRS. HENDRIX: I've also got a list 



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 of those that are on the Comanche roll that are 
Mexican and the Bureau has it.


 MR. WAUQUA: Right here, I'm Mexican, 
but I'm full-blooded Comanche.


 MRS. HENDRIX: See. No, but I'm 
talking about people that you've got running some 
of your businesses. Oscar didn't make open 
enrollment. How come he's running our businesses?


 MRS. GALLEGOS: It just probably 
wasn't completed during open enrollment. There's 
some of them that during open enrollment their 
paperwork wasn't completed, but it was started 
during open enrollment.


 MRS. HENDRIX: But as Tippeconnie 
said in one of the meetings, if it's not completed 
by the due date, then it's void. And he said that 
in a meeting.


 MRS. GALLEGOS: Well, I'm sorry, I 
don't agree with that.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: How do you 
know it wasn't complete?


 MRS. HENDRIX: He said when they 
voted on it, if it wasn't there to be voted on, 
then it wasn't, and it wasn't there.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You know, I 



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 think the committee was trying to help you to get 
into executive session, but I think you just like 
to hear yourself talk and go over and over. 
You're repeating yourself. Why don't you let the 
committee go into executive session and make a 
decision? But we know that you're not going to be 
satisfied until it's in your favor. So you're not 
-- you don't want anything just, you just want 
your way, ma'am.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: And be 
concerned about you and your family and don't 
start talking about other people, either.


 MS. MCDANIEL: This affects the whole 
tribe.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And if I'm singled out 
and I didn't do anything and my kids didn't do 
anything, then it's not -


 MS. MCDANIEL: Well, you better hope 
that they don't throw you off the rolls.


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Why are you 
trying to pull other people down with you?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Because they have 
started this in a conspiracy. Okay. If my kids 
and I didn't make open enrollment or we're not, 
then when we had open enrollment there was people 



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 that didn't make it. So if you're going to take 
me off -


 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You see? 
You're doing the same things they did to you.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Right, to show them 
that they should have never done it to begin with.


 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, Debbie.


 MRS. HENDRIX: He said there was 40 
people that didn't come back.


 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, we are 
trying to come to a conclusion how we are going to 
do this without infringing on the constitution. 
Ladies and gentlemen, that's our big question 
here.


 MS. MCDANIEL: The constitution has 
already been infringed on.


 MR. BURGESS: To have an open 
enrollment without a purpose. The purpose is to 
allow one or two or 10 individuals back. That's 
not in the constitution. The constitution says 
that the enrollment is to be open if there's an 
effect on blood quantum, meaning if we're going to 
raise the quantum or lower the quantum. You know, 
there's been some discussions out here before on 
this quantum issue, and you see how so many people 



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 being enrolled, someone wants to say you're not 
getting enough per cap every year. Well, per caps 
are not meant to be just your income. The per cap 
is a benefit because the people voted it in. But 
when you keep enrolling 600 people a year, per cap 
is going to go down. And then when you have more 
elders every year, we're gaining 10 or 20 elders 
every year, and that's $1,000 per elder, so that 
goes up. So all of those in between below the per 
cap payment, you know, per cap is going to be 
less.


 MS. MCDANIEL: The only reason why 
the per cap is at issue is because we don't have 
anybody in there making money.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And, ma'am, let me ask 
you a question.


 MR. BURGESS: Mrs. Hendrix, that's 
enough. So our discussion here is if we make a 
motion, you know, how it's going to affect 
everything else and all those other individuals. 
And we're trying not to be in violation of the 
constitution, because somebody that doesn't agree 
with this is going to walk out there and say you 
violated the constitution.


 MS. MCDANIEL: You violated it 



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 already.


 MR. BURGESS: I'm talking here, be 
quiet. Mr. Narcomey is willing to make a motion, 
we have to vote it up or down, but we all know 
that we want to have a meeting. All these 
factors -- there's more than what Debbie has told 
you as to what the enrollment office said they 
had. So we have been advised in the past if we're 
going to do this, it has to be by the hearing 
process. Or if we're going to help those 40 
people who want to come back on the roll, it has 
to be specified about those 40 people.


 And I agree with Debbie. You know, 
everything before February 2002, that's a done 
deal. However it happened. From August 2002 
forward, that should have been the audit. That 
should have been the audit.


 MS. MCDANIEL: The bottom line is 
she's Comanche. Put her back on the roll.


 MR. BURGESS: Would you calm down, 
please, and let us finish when we have other 
statements or other people want to talk?


 So we want to have that discussion 
here, and we're going to vote it in or vote it out 
right here. And if we don't vote it in, I've 



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 already told Clyde I want to call a special 
meeting with Mrs. Hendrix, her daughter and her 
son. We want to review all this again. And call 
it a special hearing because there are some issues 
she has, and the BIA has supported her on quite a 
few of them.


 MRS. HENDRIX: All of them.


 MR. BURGESS: But there are issues 
that Mr. RedElk said things came forward. And we 
need to know, there's four of us here, at least 
three of us.


 MRS. HENDRIX: I made you copies. 
MR. BURGESS: Yeah, you made us 
copies. 
MRS. HENDRIX: He said he never got 
them. I just showed him. 
MR. BURGESS: Anyway, we want to

 discuss this. And I have a heart for her. I 
understand what's going on. I think it bears 
further consultation. You're just right here and 
then 20 of you want to get up and tell us we're 
doing wrong when we're trying to get all the 
facts. That's what we want to make a motion on. 
If we vote it up, fine. If we vote it down, then 
I want to call for another meeting on this and 



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 bring it all with her and our enrollment director 
over here and her over here. And then we'll just 
vote on it and bring it forward. But we can't do 
something that's going to infringe on the 
constitution.


 MS. MCDANIEL: You've already 
infringed on it. And two wrongs don't make a 
right.


 MR. BURGESS: Correct.


 So Mr. Narcomey had a motion on the 
floor to move forward on this vote. He has to get 
a second on it.


 MR. WAUQUA: I think she's innocent 
until she's proven guilty. If y'all want to talk 
about it later, put it back on and it comes up not 
being that, then take her off.


 MRS. HENDRIX: And where was the 
hearing when you took me off? Where was the 
discussion then? There was no discussion.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Point of order.


 MR. BURGESS: I heard you, yeah.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Point of order. 
What is the motion on the floor?


 MR. NARCOMEY: The lawyers are 
working it out on the resolution to make sure that 



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 we won't get in trouble or whatever. They're 
making up the correct wording. But my motion I 
made was to reinstate Debbie Hendrix and her two 
children.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Is that legal work 
contingent to your -- it's going to be part of 
your motion, the legal wording?


 MR. NORMAN: What we were asked to 
work on was a constitutional amendment which would 
allow her to -- that's just what we were asked to 
do, and that's what we're doing. It's something 
different than that?


 MR. BURGESS: If we don't get a 
second and a vote here, then we're going back -


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Mr. Narcomey, the 
motion is, the motion again, third time?


 MR. NARCOMEY: Rescind the last 
resolution or just go with the new one?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Vacate 56-08 and 56 -


 MR. NARCOMEY: Is that just for you 
three?


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes. Oh, wait, 57-08 
and 56-08.


 MR. BURGESS: And she's referring 
to -- is it Resolution 99-04, rescinding of -



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 MR. NARCOMEY: I was going to say, 
57-08.


 MRS. HENDRIX: Yes, and 56-08.


 MR. BURGESS: Ken?


 MR. GOODIN: I'm Kenneth Goodin. But 
anyway, whenever you -- you mentioned that 
constitution. How can you word it to just apply 
to her and not all the Comanches?


 MR. BURGESS: That's the concern.


 MR. GOODIN: Whatever you do with the 
constitution, you're talking about the tribe. How 
can you just do it for her and her two kids?


 MR. BURGESS: That's our problem.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Because like the 
State of Oklahoma constitution with 3,000 
amendments.


 MR. BURGESS: See, her suggestion to 
Mr. Narcomey's motion to rescind or vacate the 
prior resolutions to remove her. That's the only 
sure bet. It doesn't affect anyone else. Yes, 
Thomas?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: This shows to me 
for the tribal court.


 MR. BURGESS: Yes.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: This would settle 



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 this enrollment issue, plus the TA, plus the 
forensic audit that we need, all the personnel 
problems in the tribe and the cemetery, you know, 
our CBC resolution in conflict with the higher 
authority, the council resolution. That would 
clear all those matters up if we had a tribal 
court. I just thought I'd bring that out. If 
you're talking about amending the enrollment, you 
might as well do a tribal court, too.


 MR. BURGESS: In the constitution 
you're saying, to create a tribal court?


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yes. That way it 
would take a load off all -


 MR. BURGESS: Thank you.


 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Hearing board, 
enrollment hearing board, something. There's no


 procedures. 
MR. BURGESS: All right. Thanks, 
Thomas. 
MR. NARCOMEY: So go ahead and

 rescind these two? The two resolutions we're 
going to vacate is 56-08. The next one is 57-08.


 MR. BURGESS: Motion made to vacate 
those two resolutions as noted by Mr. Narcomey. 
Is there a second? 



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 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: I second that 
motion.


 MR. BURGESS: Second made by Mr. Mark 
Wauahdooah. Call for the question. All those in 
favor signify by saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain.


 MR. HENSON: I abstain.


 MR. BURGESS: Abstain.


 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Abstain.


 MR. HENSON: There's a reason for 
abstaining here.


 MS. MCDANIEL: We know what it is.


 MR. HENSON: Then tell me, what is 
it? You're so smart. You're always asking or 
talking about something you don't know about.


 MS. MCDANIEL: You don't care about 
our people. That's why.


 MR. HENSON: No, that's a different 
reason.


 MS. MCDANIEL: You don't have the 
balls to make a vote.


 MR. HENSON: There's a constitution 
that we're supposed to live by. 



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 MR. BURGESS: Let him speak.


 MS. MCDANIEL: I can speak, too. 
Everybody else says when they want to.


 MRS. HENSON: Why can't we be 
respectful to each other?


 MS. MCDANIEL: You don't respect our 
people. You don't respect the rights -


 MR. BURGESS: Eleanor, you keep this 
up, you don't need to stay.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: The vote was what?


 MR. BURGESS: 4, 0, 3. It passes.


 MRS. GALLEGOS: It passed?


 MRS. HENDRIX: All the other 
resolutions -- were they done by resolution? Hers 
was done by resolution.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I don't remember the 
number.


 MR. BURGESS: They weren't like 
this.


 MR. NARCOMEY: No.


 MR. WAUAHDOOAH: Do we have new 
business?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes, we have one item 
left. Gentlemen, CBC, before we go into 
executive, before we take a break here, we have a 



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 contract with the optometrist that we need to sign 
and approve, Dr. Justin Cochran. He's the 
optometrist that responded to our request for 
optometry services. It took a year to get that. 
And so, gentlemen, his services began on 
December. We've been doing a search for a whole 
year to find somebody willing to work with us, and 
he's coming to us from Anadarko. Highly 
recommended. He works with quite a few of our 
Indian families up there, so he's got a good 
following. So we need to approve this contract 
and continue with his services.


 MR. NARCOMEY: I make a motion to 
approve that. Is it a contract?


 MR. BURGESS: Yes.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Yeah, we need him.


 MR. BURGESS: All right. Motion made 
by Mr. Narcomey. Thank you, Pratt.


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I second it.


 MR. BURGESS: Second by 
Mr. Tippeconnie here. All those in favor signify 
by saying "aye".


 (Aye.)


 MR. BURGESS: All those opposed, say 
"nay". All those abstain, same sign. Approved. 



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 Fellas, would y'all -


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Sir? It's been 
brought to my attention that there was an article 
in the Comanche -- I mean Cotton County, Walters, 
whatever it is, newspaper, and it says that Cotton 
Electric seeks addresses for return capital credit 
checks, and it has several pages here of names. 
As you go through it, you will see a lot of names 
of Comanche tribal members. But more than that, 
some of these names are tribal members that have 
passed. So I was wanting to ask that the CBC, 
through the tribal administrator, at least 
director, task enrollment with going through this 
list and if there are any tribal members still 
living or passed, let their families know that 
perhaps there's some -- there's another per cap 
for them.


 MR. OWENS: Compensation.


 MR. BURGESS: Is that what that is?


 MS. ATTOCKNIE: Something that's due 
to them.


 MR. HENSON: All co-ops do the same 
thing. You pay so much and then -


 MR. ATTOCKNIE: But this is a 
concerted effort by the tribe to help those 



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 individuals or -


 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Those families.


 MR. ATTOCKNIE: Those families. So 
I'll give it to the tribal administrator.


 MS. ASENAP: Arlene Asenap, and I 
would like to publicly thank Clyde Narcomey for 
helping my niece finally get her tuition paid to 
Cameron University. It took it Friday. Now she's 
enrolled in August. It took all this time for her 
to get her tuition paid. She wasn't allowed to 
enroll, school starts Monday, and the tribe did 
not pay her tuition. She had her paperwork in, 
and it's just a disgrace to the Comanche Nation 
that they have to wait this long for our students 
to get their tuition paid.


 She wasn't allowed to enroll, so when 
she finally is going to be allowed to enroll this 
week, she is going to have a lousy schedule and it 
wasn't her fault. And I can't see why the 
education department takes so long to pay our 
kids' tuition. They say they want them to get an 
education, but it seems like sometimes they put a 
lot of stumbling blocks in their way.


 I just want to thank Mr. Narcomey for 
stepping up and really helping my niece. I know 



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 that there are other students in these situations 
who don't have families to support them and to 
help them get through this long, arduous process.


 MR. NARCOMEY: Thank you very much.


 MR. BURGESS: Thank you, 
Mrs. Asenap. Thank you very much.


 MR. WAUQUA: Debbie's got two kids 
with having problems with being Comanche with the 
thing they need to do. Are y'all helping them 
out, now they can go on further them being 
Comanche. I appreciate that from the bottom of my 
heart, y'all.


 MS. HALL: And that's another thing 
I'm going to go to executive session is about the 
education. About my grandson, I'm having a 
problem. That's why I'm here.


 MR. BURGESS: We're going to go ahead 
and go into executive session. I appreciate all 
the kind words. Thank you very much on behalf of 
the committee. We do care.


 (Open session concluded at


 12:18 p.m.) 
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 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) 


) 
COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA )


 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 
Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 
the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 
is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 
that the meeting was held on January 8, 2011, in 
the State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney 
for nor a relative of any said parties, or 
otherwise interested in the event of said action.


 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 
hereunto set my hand and seal of office on this 
the 14th day of February, 2011. 


Kelly Stoabs 
Certified Shorthand Reporter 
for the State of Oklahoma 



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 I, Robert Tippeconnie, SecretaryTreasurer 
of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 
certify that the above is a true and correct 
transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at


 10:00 a.m. on January 8, 2011, and that the 
meeting was duly called and held in all respects 
in accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 
Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 
I further certify that the votes and 
resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 
at the meeting are operative and in full force and 
effect and have not been annulled or modified by 
any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 
CBC since that meeting.


 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________


 Robert Tippeconnie


 Secretary-Treasurer