1 1 2 3 4 5 TRANSCRIPT OF PROCEEDINGS OF THE 6 COMANCHE BUSINESS COMMITTEE 7 MONTHLY MEETING 8 JULY 9, 2011, 10:00 A.M. 9 COMANCHE NATION COMPLEX 10 LAWTON, OKLAHOMA 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 ________________________________________________ 22 REPORTED BY: KELLY STOABS, CSR DODSON COURT REPORTING & LEGAL VIDEO, INC. 23 435 NORTH WALKER AVENUE, SUITE 102 OKLAHOMA CITY, OK 73102 24 405/235-1828 OFFICE ~ 405/235-1266 FAX 877/681-2119 TOLL FREE 25 dcri@coxinet.net ~ www.dodsonreporting.net 2 1 A P P E A R A N C E S 2 3 COMANCHE NATION BUSINESS COMMITTEE MEMBERS: 4 Johnny Wauqua, Chairman Edward Eschiti, Vice-Chairman 5 Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary-Treasurer Ronald Red Elk, Committeeman #1 6 Yonevea Terry, Committeeman #2 Darrell Kosechequetah, Committeeman #3 7 Robert Komacheet, Jr., Committeeman #4 8 LEGAL COUNSEL: 9 William Norman, James Burson 10 Hobbs, Straus, Dean & Walker 11 12 13 * * * * * * 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS 2 PAGE 3 Meeting called to order at 5 10:00 a.m. 4 Roll Call. 6 5 Invocation. 6 6 Motion passed to table prior meeting 7 7 minutes. 8 Motion passed to approve Resolutions 7 Numbered 65-11, 66-11, and 9 67-11/Enrollment. 10 Motion passed to approve Resolution 9 Number 68-11/Enrollment. 11 Motion passed to approve Resolution 10 12 Number 69-11/Enrollment. 13 Motion passed to approve Resolution 11 Number 70-11/BIA form 4432 Signature 14 Delegation. 15 Motion passed to approve Resolution 12 Number 71-11/CN Law Enforcement 16 Center MOU with the City of Fletcher. 17 Motion passed to approve Resolution 13 18 Number 72-11/Define CN Law Enforcement Organization. 19 Motion passed to approve Resolution 16 20 Number 73-11/CN Law Enforcement PL 93-638 Contract. 21 Motion passed to approve Resolution 18 22 Number 74-11/Adding State/Tribal Burn Ban to Criminal Code. 23 Motion passed to approve Resolution 22 24 Number 75-11/CN College Practical Nursing Program and Budget. 25 4 1 INDEX OF PROCEEDINGS (continued) 2 PAGE 3 Motion passed to approve Resolution 23 Number 76-11/CN College Language 4 Archival Program Structure and Budget. 5 Motion passed to table Resolution 24 6 Number 77-11/Rescind Elderly Center Advisory Board Resolution. 7 Motion passed to approve Resolution 39 8 Number 78-11/Returned Defaulted Payments to CN Revolving Loan 9 Program. 10 Motion passed to approve Resolution 43 Number 79-11/Resolution to Approve 11 Hazard Mitigation Plan. 12 Motion passed to approve Resolution 43 Number 80-11/Change Signatories on 13 Financial Trust Accounts Held by the United States. 14 Motion passed to approve Resolution 44 15 Number 81-11/Changing Authorized Inquiries and Signatories on 16 Financial Accounts. 17 Motion passed to approve Resolution 45 Number 82-11/Resolution to Increase 18 Higher Education Scholarship Amounts. 19 Motion passed to approve Resolution 46 20 Number 83-11/Extension of License Agreement with City National Bank & 21 Trust Company. 22 Thomas Narcomey. 47 23 Roderick Whitewolf. 53 24 Reporter's Certificate. 77 25 Secretary/Treasurer's Certificate. 78 5 1 (Meeting called to order at 2 10:00 a.m.) 3 MR. WAUQUA: I want to welcome 4 everybody here this morning. It's a bit after 5 10:00. We have a quorum. I want to thank 6 everybody for being here today. We have everybody 7 here, and I think the last monthly meeting 8 everybody was here but me, and everybody's in 9 place now, so this is your new CBC. I want to see 10 that everybody is -- the concerns we have and 11 everything is taken care of. If we can't take 12 care of it today, there will be times that we can 13 meet with y'all to take care of it. We don't want 14 anybody to leave and be disgusted and say that 15 they didn't get to voice their concerns to the 16 tribe. I want to make sure everybody gets to do 17 that if they wish. 18 I know we have a lot of stuff on the 19 agenda today. We're going to try a new format of 20 trying to get through the agenda as quick as we 21 can, because I know in the past y'all have been 22 having to sit here for four or five hours and I 23 don't think that's good for anybody. I think that 24 there's other ways that we can get through with 25 this and get it over with and do it the right 6 1 way. So we're going to start today officially. 2 It's probably 10:02 is what we're going to put 3 down for our starting time. Do you want to do the 4 roll call? 5 MR. ESCHITI: Edward Eschiti, here. 6 Richard Henson? 7 MR. HENSON: Here. 8 MR. ESCHITI: Robert Tippeconnie? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Here. 10 MR. ESCHITI: Ronald RedElk? 11 MR. REDELK: Here. 12 MR. ESCHITI: Yonevea Terry? 13 MS. TERRY: Here. 14 MR. ESCHITI: Darrell Kosechequetah? 15 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Here. 16 MR. ESCHITI: Robert Komacheet? 17 MR. KOMACHEET: Here. 18 MR. ESCHITI: All present. 19 MR. WAUQUA: Mr. Kosechequetah, would 20 you please lead us in a word of prayer before we 21 start? 22 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Sure. Let us 23 pray. 24 (Invocation.) 25 MR. WAUQUA: The minutes of the last 7 1 meeting we had got a little bit late, so do I hear 2 any comments or shall we -- 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I just make the 4 motion to table them until the next meeting. 5 MR. ESCHITI: I second it. 6 MR. WAUQUA: It's been tabled until 7 the next meeting and it was seconded, so everybody 8 in favor, please say aye. 9 (Aye.) 10 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 11 sign. All those abstain, same sign. I will 12 abstain. Okay. 13 The first resolution we have is 14 65-11, and I think there's three of these 15 resolutions that pertain to enrollment. The first 16 three that are not eligible, is what it is, and 17 it's three people on that resolution. So 65-11, 18 66-11, and 67-11 will all be voted on at the same 19 time. There's three of them, and all three of 20 those is not eligible. It's three people that is 21 on that. 22 We, as the CBC, had met earlier in 23 the week and we decided to combine some of these 24 resolutions because it was pertaining to some of 25 the children and some of the people that are 8 1 eligible and not eligible, and we thought it was a 2 good idea not to put it out to the public. Their 3 parents might not like it or they might not like 4 it. But if any person in here wishes to have a 5 copy of the people that are not eligible or 6 eligible any time, you can get them from us. We 7 will give them to y'all. There will be no 8 problem. 9 We just try to keep it from where the 10 parents -- I know a lot of parents and a lot of 11 people don't like their addresses given out, their 12 phone numbers. I just don't like seeing us to do 13 that. I know something with this type of matter, 14 it's kind of hard to deal with sometimes because 15 they're not eligible in the first place. I just 16 didn't want to put it out there for people to say 17 something about it. But if there is any questions 18 on it or anything, you can come to us and we will 19 give you a copy and explain to you why. 20 So at this time, 65-11, 66-11 and 21 67-11 are not eligible and there's only three on 22 there. We'll take a vote for approval of these 23 three. All those in favor signify by saying 24 "aye". 25 (Aye.) 9 1 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 2 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion 4 that these 65-11, 66 and 67 be approved. 5 MR. ESCHITI: I second. 6 MR. WAUQUA: All those in favor 7 signify by saying "aye". 8 (Aye.) 9 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 10 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 11 The next resolution on order is 68-11 12 and it is pertaining to enrollment. It's a 13 relinquishment of a tribal member that has wished 14 to go to some other tribe is what it is. I don't 15 know if -- like I said, I don't wish to give that 16 information, but if you do need it, I will give it 17 to you. I think it's in the best interest of 18 those people and the person is doing, it's their 19 business. Do I hear a motion to accept it? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make the motion. 21 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second. 22 MR. WAUQUA: All those in favor 23 signify by saying "aye". 24 (Aye.) 25 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 10 1 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 2 The next resolution we have on the 3 agenda is Number 69-11. It's pertaining to 4 enrollment, too. There is 38 new tribal members 5 we're adding on the list today. Again, if you 6 wish to have a copy of that, we have some copies 7 up here if you wish to have one. Do I hear a 8 motion to accept these 38? 9 MR. ESCHITI: I make a motion to 10 accept 69-11. 11 MR. WAUQUA: There's been a motion 12 and a second. Komacheet seconds. All those in 13 favor signify by saying "aye". 14 (Aye.) 15 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 16 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Abstain, 17 one. 18 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Mr. Chairman, can you 19 tell us the total enrollment with the new 38 20 members? Do we have that? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It would be 15,174. 22 MR. WAUQUA: Almost 200. So you have 23 38 more added to that now. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it was 25 15,136. Then we added the 38, so it should be 11 1 around 15,174. 2 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Thank you. 3 MR. WAUQUA: Okay. The next 4 resolution we have is 70-11. It's a form that the 5 BIA is requesting us to sign for signature 6 delegation of the CBC, is what it is. There was 7 two minor changes on there. We got it right? 8 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I have the new 9 one here, too. 10 MR. WAUQUA: I think they know what 11 it is. 12 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, they know what 13 it is. It's the signature and the name. 14 MR. WAUQUA: All it is, is just 15 asking for the signature so they can be on record 16 at BIA, is what it is. Do I hear a motion to 17 accept Resolution 70-11? 18 MR. ESCHITI: I make a motion to 19 accept 70-11. 20 MS. TERRY: I second. 21 MR. WAUQUA: There has been a 22 second. All those in favor signify by saying 23 "aye". 24 (Aye.) 25 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 12 1 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 2 The next resolution we have is 3 71-11. It's pertaining to the MOU of law 4 enforcement. All this is is what we had done 5 before by cross-deputizing our law enforcement to 6 work with other law enforcement in the area around 7 -- where was it at, Fletcher? 8 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 9 MR. WAUQUA: Fletcher is what it is. 10 And we've done this in the past and we've probably 11 got, what, more -- 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Six. 13 MR. WAUQUA: Six other cities that we 14 work with now doing that. And all it is is just 15 to give them authority to help us and we help them 16 in that area, but they cannot come on our trust 17 land without our authority. That was a question 18 that was brought up. So they won't be able to 19 unless we call them to come here. They do that 20 because of the distance between here and Fletcher 21 to make sure that somebody's on the scene if there 22 is a crime there. That's all there is that's been 23 done. 24 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Mr. Chairman? What 25 other community do we have MOUs with besides 13 1 Fletcher? 2 MR. GRIFFIN: City of Cache, City of 3 Cyril, City of Sterling, City of Apache, City of 4 Geronimo. 5 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Thank you. 6 MR. WAUQUA: Do we have a motion to 7 accept 71-11 resolution? 8 MR. ESCHITI: I make a motion to 9 accept 71-11. 10 MR. WAUQUA: Do I hear a second? 11 MR. KOMACHEET: I second. 12 MR. WAUQUA: We have a second. All 13 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 14 (Aye.) 15 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 16 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 17 The next resolution is pertaining to 18 law enforcement, Number 72-11. This was to accept 19 the law enforcement policy and procedures, right? 20 Is that what it was? 21 MR. GRIFFIN: No, this is to place it 22 underneath the tribal administrator. 23 MR. WAUQUA: In the past, the law 24 enforcement had been under the chairman, and we 25 thought as the CBC it would be better to have our 14 1 law enforcement moved back under the TA because 2 they are a 638 program and they take care of 3 day-to-day whatever they wish to do. I mean, the 4 TA wishes them to do. I think it will probably 5 work out better, because before they were under 6 the direction of the chairman alone. In the past, 7 the chairman hadn't been here half the time. 8 They're not here to look at, to facilitate what 9 they need to do and everything, so the TA is here 10 all the time and they are a 638 program, so we are 11 going to move them by voting, if we do today, 12 under the direction of the Tribal Administrative. 13 MR. WHITEWOLF: Mr. Chairman, that 14 being said, is the TA considered the chief of 15 police? 16 MR. WAUQUA: No, he's not. He's just 17 overseeing the program. 18 MR. WHITEWOLF: Administrative part? 19 MR. WAUQUA: Yes, because it is a 638 20 program. He will not have nothing to do with the 21 day-to-day functions. The chief of police takes 22 care of that. 23 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, with that 24 being said, are they going to follow the employee 25 policies and procedures? 15 1 MR. WAUQUA: Yes, they are. 2 MR. NELSON: They are not going to 3 follow their own? 4 MR. WAUQUA: They are because they 5 are mandated by the BIA or law enforcement codes. 6 But for the policy and procedures of hiring and 7 firing and day-to-day operations, they will be 8 under the policies of the TA. 9 MR. NELSON: That's really good to 10 know. 11 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 12 how much law enforcement education does the TA 13 have? 14 MR. WAUQUA: How much does he have? 15 Well, I'm not going to say that he has none, 16 because I do not know that, but he is not going to 17 be operating or running the law enforcement. What 18 he's going to do is administer the funding and any 19 other things that they have to do with our policy 20 and procedures. 21 MR. GRIFFIN: Mr. Chairman, the 22 technical advice and guidance we get is from 23 District 2, Bureau of Indian Affairs, out of 24 Muskogee. So the current ASAC is Mr. Mike McCoy, 25 and they direct us on the technical side of law 16 1 enforcement issues under the 638 contract. 2 MR. WAUQUA: Is that good? 3 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: That's your 4 answer. Thank you. 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 6 approve. 7 MR. WAUQUA: I got a motion on the 8 floor approve 72-11. 9 MR. ESCHITI: I second it. 10 MR. WAUQUA: Second. All those in 11 favor signify by saying "aye". 12 (Aye.) 13 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 14 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 15 The next resolution is 73-11 16 pertaining to law enforcement. This resolution is 17 pertaining to us contracting, right? 18 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 19 MR. WAUQUA: The investigative? 20 MR. GRIFFIN: Criminal investigation. 21 MR. WAUQUA: Criminal investigating 22 part, our part from the BIA, is what it is. At 23 this time the BIA is receiving our funds for the 24 criminal investigation part of it, and we want 25 to -- what we're planning on doing is contracting 17 1 it. All this resolution is set up for is to 2 negotiate with the BIA to do that, is what this is 3 for, to start the procedure. So that's what this 4 is for. 5 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Did they recently 6 lose? 7 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes, they lost some of 8 their criminal investigators at the Bureau. 9 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: No, I understand 10 we have a big loss in the criminal investigator 11 and the workload -- 12 MR. GRIFFIN: Under the current law 13 enforcement contract we have, we cannot do major 14 crimes. We investigate misdemeanors, we 15 investigate things through the district court, but 16 we cannot do a major crime until we accept the 638 17 contract for criminal investigations, which would 18 be a felony or above. 19 MR. WAUQUA: Do we have a motion to 20 accept 73-13? 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion. 22 MR. WAUQUA: There is a motion on the 23 floor. A second? 24 MR. ESCHITI: I second. 25 MR. WAUQUA: Second. All those in 18 1 favor signify by saying "aye". 2 (Aye.) 3 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 4 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 5 The next resolution is 74-11 6 pertaining to law enforcement. It's pertaining to 7 the burn ban that the state has put out on all 8 lands, and I think it's all Comanche County. Is 9 that what it was? 10 MR. GRIFFIN: What we're asking is 11 when the state issues a burn ban and when the 12 tribe thinks it's in the best interest of the 13 tribe to adhere to the burn ban, it would make it 14 a criminal offense for individuals to not abide by 15 the chairman's -- 16 MR. NORMAN: Mr. Chairman, along 17 those lines, we need to reword some of this 18 language a little bit to make it clear that the 19 tribe's not attempting to apply or enforce state 20 law within tribal jurisdiction, but that you are 21 enacting tribal law that you will then enforce in 22 CFR Court. We can probably get that done before 23 the end of the meeting. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 25 approve it subject to this, that the state 19 1 jurisdiction doesn't apply and that the CFR Court 2 is standing. 3 MR. WHITEWOLF: Mr. Chairman, is this 4 in the vicinity of overkill? I mean, we have to 5 follow the state law. Why do we -- you know, I 6 read it in the paper talking about, what, a 7 $10,000 fine and you're liable if you burn down 8 half the country, you know. And I just think that 9 this is overkill. Why put our people in extra 10 jeopardy? 11 MR. WAUQUA: In a way we're not 12 putting them in extra jeopardy, we're protecting 13 them. If somebody was burning trash when they 14 shouldn't be or popping firecrackers and they 15 start a fire, there was a house next door to you 16 that it was not on trust land, we would be 17 responsible for that. 18 MR. WHITEWOLF: I understand that. 19 But doesn't the state law cover it? 20 MR. WAUQUA: Well, the state law 21 covers it by their law and they will fine you if 22 you're caught doing it when there's a burn ban 23 going. They enforce that law. 24 MR. WHITEWOLF: This is when the 25 tribe declares their own burn ban? 20 1 MR. WAUQUA: Yes, that's what it is. 2 We don't have to say as a mandate every time the 3 state does that we have to, but we make it our 4 priory to look at it in the best interest of the 5 tribe to do that. It's not nothing that we have 6 to do. We still have our sovereign rights on the 7 trust land. 8 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Mr. Chairman, does 9 that involve ceremonial sweats? Would that affect 10 if we have anyone on our tribal land having a -- 11 MR. WAUQUA: Well, I know at one time 12 they said a burn ban pertained to open fires and 13 everything. You could have gas or charcoal. If 14 you're inside of a sweat lodge, I mean, it's 15 contained, so I think -- I don't think that -- 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's stated here. 17 MR. GRIFFIN: On Page 2. 18 MR. WAUQUA: Does it have it on 19 there? 20 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It makes exceptions 21 for those kind of circumstances. 22 MS. ISAAC: So this will be during 23 the Comanche Nation Fair also, the burn ban? 24 MR. GRIFFIN: Hopefully not. If we 25 get some rain. 21 1 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We hope to get rain 2 before then. 3 MS. ISAAC: I don't see it 4 happening. When we were at Craterville, there 5 were rules out there, but people still made big 6 bonfires. Nobody enforced -- 7 MR. WAUQUA: Well, at that time they 8 didn't have what they was calling burn bans. It 9 was just on assumption to hold it down. 10 MS. ISAAC: Yeah, but they didn't 11 hold it down. 12 MR. WAUQUA: I understood that. But, 13 I mean, there's certain times that we can -- and 14 we did have our fire people out there and 15 everybody out there anyway. So as long as you do 16 have your firemen and somebody there or something, 17 I think it would be okay if it wasn't a permit. 18 Yes? 19 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Will this 20 affect our Indian housing in any way, saying if 21 clientele had rented a house from the tribe and 22 they caught their grass on fire, would housing 23 have to pay for that person's property? 24 MR. WAUQUA: Well, I would think that 25 if it was accidental, they would look at it either 22 1 or the other way. But the housing authority does 2 have insurance on those homes that does cover 3 that. 4 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, I have one 5 last question. What is the fine? How much is 6 it? 7 MR. GRIFFIN: I was misquoted on 8 that. It's supposed to have been $1,000 and it 9 got in there $10,000. It may help us to scare 10 them, but it was the same as the state. 11 MR. WAUQUA: It's the same as the 12 state. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make the motion. 14 MR. WAUQUA: There is a motion on the 15 floor to accept Resolution 74-11. Do I heard a 16 second? 17 MR. ESCHITI: I second. 18 MR. WAUQUA: All those in favor 19 signify by saying "aye". 20 (Aye.) 21 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 22 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 23 The next resolution is 75-11. This 24 was to just -- administrative part of the nursing 25 program and college on their funds is what it was, 23 1 right? 2 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes. 3 MR. WAUQUA: Okay. 75-11 was just 4 pertaining to the Comanche Nation College and 5 their nursing program, to keep the nursing 6 separate within their system, is what it was. So 7 all it is was pertaining to the funds that go to 8 the nursing program and the funding that went 9 directly to the college for purposes where they 10 have to have it for their audits and other 11 things. That's why they needed it passed. So do 12 I have a motion on the floor to accept 75-11? 13 MR. ESCHITI: I'll make a motion to 14 accept 75-11. 15 MR. WAUQUA: Do I hear a second? 16 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I second. 17 MR. WAUQUA: There is a second. All 18 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 19 (Aye.) 20 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 21 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One opposed, 22 one abstain. 23 Okay. The next resolution is 76-11. 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Language is the 25 archival language. It's administration of the 24 1 funding since it's under the college. 2 MR. WAUQUA: Yes. And we do have 3 another resolution, 76-11, pertaining to college 4 on their funding, too, for the archival program 5 that they have to have a resolution for the same 6 thing. So do I hear a motion to accept 76-11? 7 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make the motion. 8 MR. WAUQUA: Do I hear a second? 9 MR. KOMACHEET: Second. 10 MR. WAUQUA: There is a second. All 11 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 12 (Aye.) 13 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 14 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One opposed, 15 one abstain. 5, 1, and 1. 16 Resolution Number 77-11, Rescind 17 Elderly Center Advisory Board Resolution. Number 18 77-11. What this is pertaining to is they had an 19 advisory board at -- or they do have at the 20 Elderly Center. It had come to our attention and 21 brought to us that they wanted to rescind that for 22 reasons of here and there. I don't know, really. 23 It gets down to somebody saying, yes, we need it 24 and somebody we don't. 25 Now, I don't know -- I'm going to be 25 1 honest with you. I don't know too much why it was 2 even put in place and what the purpose of it is. 3 Is there anybody in here that's on the board or 4 knows? 5 MS. CRAIG: In the past, it was my 6 understanding that the general council had heard 7 this several years back and the director never did 8 act upon it. So in order to be getting funding, 9 you had to have an advisory board, and apparently 10 from our understanding, the advisory board, the 11 names that were submitted, everybody was deceased 12 but one. So this was -- we all got together and 13 decided, well, we have the Title 6 folks here, and 14 if an advisory board is needed so that our elder 15 center can be utilizing the funds properly without 16 being harassed or penalized for anything, this was 17 the purpose of it. 18 We also realized we are not being 19 paid, it's strictly volunteer. And when 20 Mr. Nelson was the TA, he was given a number of 21 letters from different people that were very 22 unhappy about the atmosphere, about the way things 23 were handled at the center, and things that they 24 had been asking to be done but was never done. So 25 then when they were having bingos and fund 26 1 raisers, the question came about where is the 2 money going? What are they doing with the money? 3 Well, that was not our position to go 4 and demand to know all these things, but the 5 patrons out there are asking. So when you want 6 answers, who do you ask but the director? If you 7 don't get answers from the director, who do you go 8 to? Well, we've had meetings since we got 9 organized and we were selected. Everyone had to 10 send a resume in. It was not by friendship, by 11 political reasons. They went by the resumé, and 12 you were selected to be on the advisory board. 13 It's only a two-year term. And after that 14 two-year term when the election comes about, 15 they'll get another board. 16 Apparently, the past director, acting 17 director didn't want one, and the one that's put 18 in her place didn't know too much about it. So 19 when we asked her to sit in the meeting, she did. 20 She sat in one meeting with us. That wasn't a 21 very helpful meeting to her. So the one, the 22 director that's there now, she says she doesn't 23 need an advisory board. Apparently the person 24 doesn't realize the word advisory is not what 25 she's thinking. We're there to advise her of what 27 1 the people want, of their needs. 2 And so in the meantime we have been 3 advised on the advisory board, we have suggested 4 to the past CBC members, and one of the problems 5 when it came about, that was taken care of. 6 Another problem came about, that was taken care 7 of. But in the past, these problems were 8 presented to the directors. That was never taken 9 care of. It wasn't -- they didn't care what the 10 elders thought. We were just nobody. 11 Well, I'm going to tell you right 12 now, some of those people working down there are 13 going to be elders some day and they're going to 14 want something done and they're going to want a 15 happy atmosphere. You know, when you walk down 16 there and you walk into any of the other elders 17 centers that we have been visiting, you feel 18 welcome. They greet you, they give you nice food 19 and sit and visit with you. But we go down here 20 to our center, we go in there and we eat, it's 21 like we're taking food from somebody. Or if you 22 want seconds, there's not enough for anybody. Or 23 the kitchen help doesn't have enough help. We 24 can't do anything about that. That's not our 25 position to hire anybody. But the people back 28 1 there complain about different things, and we hear 2 about it. 3 So this resolution, in my opinion, 4 and I don't know how the rest of the people here 5 feel about it, but in my opinion this resolution 6 should never have been put into place without 7 having a meeting with the advisory board that we 8 have now and let us explain exactly what's going 9 on and what it's all about. And also have the 10 director come and sit with us. She refuses to 11 do -- say we're going to have a meeting, she's 12 accused us of having a secret meeting. Our 13 meetings are not secret. We hold nothing back. 14 MR. WAUQUA: How many's on the 15 advisory board and who are they? 16 MS. CRAIG: We have five. 17 MR. WAUQUA: Do you know who they 18 are? 19 MS. CRAIG: Mrs. Jayco, there's me, 20 and the chairman. I am the second in command. 21 Then we have Arlene Asenap is the secretary, we 22 have Lee Mowry is the alternate, and we have Carol 23 Hall, an alternate, and we have Mary Rutledge as 24 treasurer. We have these positions, but we have 25 no money. So that's just something to be on 29 1 paper. 2 MR. WAUQUA: And you're saying that 3 everybody except the one is Comanche that is on 4 that board? 5 MS. CRAIG: Yes. And I don't think 6 it should make any difference because we do get 7 help from federal funding, and anybody that is 8 eligible can go there and eat. And I forgot to 9 mention, Bess Blazebrook is an honorary member. 10 She was one of the original members of it. 11 MR. WAUQUA: I think in all of the 12 contracts we have done in the past, and I don't 13 know how that one was done, but the policies and 14 procedures and guidelines has changed since they 15 required to have an advisory board, is what I had 16 talked to some of the people about. But the issue 17 that I have always said and still say, that when 18 we have these programs, it's our programs as the 19 Comanche Nation, not other tribes. 20 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: No, it's not. 21 It's a Title 6 program. 22 MR. WAUQUA: I don't understand 23 having a committee person who's the head of this 24 committee that's not a tribal member. 25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This is not a 30 1 Comanche program. This is a Title 6 nutrition 2 program for Indian elders over the age of -- it's 3 all tribes. And this idea that we own this and we 4 can -- 5 MR. WAUQUA: I haven't seen this 6 other contract. We put in there stating to the 7 fact that we service our tribal people. And if 8 there is any funds left, that we service other 9 tribes. 10 MS. ISAAC: So you don't have a 11 problem with just that one issue, just because 12 he's Kiowa? 13 MR. WAUQUA: No, I just want to find 14 out, but I heard there was a nontribal member who 15 was head of the committee. 16 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 17 I just want to say that we, as the committee, as 18 we were formed about a year ago we have been under 19 a threat. You know that song "When Johnny Comes 20 Marching Home Again"? We've heard that so many 21 times. And when Johnny comes marching home again, 22 we're going to get rid of this committee. And 23 that has been a threat and always been said, and I 24 applaud you for trying to keep your campaign 25 promise of getting rid of us. But, you know, you 31 1 want to get rid of a 90-year-old woman, the 2 youngest person on the committee is 64 and I'm 3 handicapped. One of the reasons why this 4 committee is so important, when you're 5 handicapped, you have to look at things 6 differently. We have given advice that we needed 7 to have more than one handicap stall in the 8 bathroom, we needed to have rails in the back, and 9 when we're coming. 10 With my walker and I get in my car, I 11 have to go in and get into the center. We were 12 thankful that they finally got electric doors in 13 there. But you know what? You never think that 14 you're going to be handicapped. I never thought 15 I'd be in this situation. It makes you look at 16 the world really different. And you have to have 17 some special needs. There's a lot of elders there 18 who are handicapped, and I'm the voice for the 19 handicap people who are there. We need extra 20 assistance at times. We don't want to have to ask 21 for help, but sometimes you have to ask for help. 22 MR. WAUQUA: Well, pertaining to what 23 you have said -- 24 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: This center 25 serves a lot of needs. And like you said, you 32 1 said you only heard one side. We're trying to 2 give you the other side. When was the last time 3 you were at the Elders Center? 4 MR. WAUQUA: It's been a while. 5 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Well, you need 6 to come down and look at the elders center. Of 7 course, everybody's going to be friendly to you, 8 because, you know, you came marching home and 9 you're keeping your promises. You're taking your 10 issues out on elderly people and handicapped 11 people. 12 MR. WAUQUA: If we go back and start 13 over again, I'm here for the tribe and for all 14 tribal members, not for myself. And pertaining to 15 what you're saying about politics, it's got 16 nothing to do with it. I never made a promise to 17 anybody about anything and I will let you know 18 that right now. 19 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: You said 20 yourself not to talk out of turn. 21 MR. WAUQUA: I know how it is to be 22 done and I don't expect to do that and I don't 23 expect anybody else to do that. I don't do things 24 like that. You may think I do, but I don't. I 25 got a right to take up for myself, too. 33 1 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I understand 2 that, and that's why I'm sticking up for the 3 elderly. 4 MR. WAUQUA: That's why I'm trying to 5 get to the bottom of this, see what we can do. 6 MS. ISAAC: So you will have -- so 7 everybody out there can have -- if they're not 8 interested, they'll be elders one day. 9 MR. WAUQUA: In the second place, 10 when I get to what we're going to get to here, I 11 have no vote. So why is it me? 12 MS. ISAAC: But you're going to have 13 a meeting with the people, the elder council, at 14 one point in time so you can get everything -- 15 MR. WAUQUA: Yes, I will. I think 16 that to satisfy everybody on the point of what 17 y'all are saying, I make a motion myself to table 18 this until we can discuss it with y'all. 19 MS. ISAAC: And you were talking 20 about another tribe. There's people that come 21 there to eat that go on their trips. Well, 22 they're not Comanche, they're Sioux Indians. 23 MR. WAUQUA: We pay for their trip? 24 MS. ISAAC: Yeah, we don't get to go, 25 but they do. 34 1 MR. WAUQUA: Well, let's do something 2 about it. Y'all are sitting here griping about 3 that. Well, why don't we take care of that, too. 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 5 if there's a motion on the table, we need a 6 second, do we not? 7 MR. WAUQUA: I don't think there was 8 a motion. 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: You said you would 10 make it. 11 MR. WAUQUA: I made a motion and I 12 need a second that we will table it until I look 13 at it and meet with y'all and talk about it. 14 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: I have a 15 comment. There's elders in the back, but when 16 Aurilla's talking, we can't hear her. We have a 17 right to hear everything that they're saying. And 18 when they say they're handicapped, our lives are 19 what we make them. It's only fair that the rest 20 of us hear what they're complaining about, because 21 we've heard a lot of complaints that they made. 22 One being that they're going to have a fund 23 raiser. There's nothing in their guidelines 24 saying that they can have a fund raiser. So where 25 does that leave the rest of us? I don't even go 35 1 there because of what I hear they do. 2 MR. WAUQUA: Who are you referring 3 to? 4 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: To these 5 ladies here when things happen down at the elders 6 center. 7 MR. WAUQUA: Well, that just goes to 8 show you there's another side of it, too, right? 9 I made a motion to table it. 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I'll second it. 11 MR. WAUQUA: So we will look at it 12 and take care of it. And there's no problem to 13 say that we will listen to you, just like I said. 14 MR. NELSON: Mr. Chairman, before you 15 table it, this all came about just due to the 16 fact, I believe when Delphine Nelson was the TA, 17 this was an advisory board. There was two Kiowa, 18 three Comanches. At that time, they had employees 19 for the contract and labeled these people as 20 advisory board. You know, they put them on there 21 as an advisory board. Please look at the Title 6 22 contract, sir. Please look at it. It does give 23 strength to an advisory board, it does. It serves 24 all tribes. 25 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Can I say just 36 1 one thing? This booklet, you need to read what 2 the federal guidelines are for this nutrition 3 center. You're in danger of losing your federal 4 funding if you don't follow their guidelines. And 5 I reiterate, it's not a Comanche owned, you're the 6 governing body. 7 MR. WAUQUA: I've always been a firm 8 believer, and I said this yesterday in our meeting 9 that prior today to go over some stuff that we 10 were working on. I've always said if a person, I 11 don't know how many people sitting out there have 12 ever been in business for themselves, or even 13 worked for somebody. But when you got more than 14 one boss, it's hard to get your job done. I know 15 everybody's got a boss. I got a boss and just 16 because I'm chairman doesn't mean I don't have a 17 boss. I know I do. 18 MS. ISAAC: This has been going on 19 years and years, and she hasn't been following 20 these. 21 MR. WAUQUA: What I'm trying to get 22 at is some of these committees you have formed and 23 some of these committees that are there, they put 24 it on theirself, you know, if you're not going to 25 listen to me you're not going to get what you 37 1 want. It isn't supposed to be like that. 2 MS. ISAAC: There hasn't been any 3 committees except for this one. 4 MR. WAUQUA: That's my point of view 5 of it. I don't like to see it, because if you go 6 back to say if you had a business and somebody 7 told you to do this and you turn around and 8 somebody tells you to do something else, what are 9 you supposed to do? 10 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Go by the 11 federal guidelines. 12 MS. ISAAC: Give all the people who 13 don't want to listen to what you're saying a copy 14 of this federal guideline so they'll understand. 15 Have them read it so they understand. Maria 16 should have had this committee a long time ago. 17 UNIDENTIFIED SPEAKER: Mr. Chairman, 18 if we had copies of our bylaws, it talks about 19 fund raisers, but we do have bylaws that were 20 approved, submitted and approved by the CBC. 21 MR. WAUQUA: The CBC approved it? 22 MS. ISAAC: Yeah, they approved it. 23 And if we do gripe, like you're saying, if we 24 gripe to higher people, we will lose that. But 25 nobody has griped all these years. Nobody has 38 1 done anything about how that place is run, because 2 they just sit there and eat. 3 MR. WAUQUA: I don't think I used the 4 word gripe. We're going to sit down and talk 5 about it and straighten it out. 6 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Ask for the 7 question. 8 MR. WAUQUA: We've got a motion on 9 the floor to table this until further notice until 10 we meet with you. 11 MS. ISAAC: Mr. Chairman, I would 12 like to say it's been four or five years ago that 13 the general council did vote to do this, select 14 this board. It just never has been done. Maria 15 never wanted it. So when it's finally done now 16 it's a big issue, but the general council approved 17 this. 18 MR. WAUQUA: Okay. We have a motion 19 on the floor to -- I don't know when we're going 20 to -- as soon as possible just look at it. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, I'll put it 22 down for -- 23 MR. WAUQUA: Do we have a second? 24 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I seconded it. 25 MR. WAUQUA: All in favor to table 39 1 this until a later date until we visit with the 2 committee to see what other issues there is with 3 it. All those in favor signify by saying "aye". 4 (Aye.) 5 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 6 sign. All those abstain, same sign. Pass. I 7 abstain. 8 Okay. The next resolution we have is 9 78-11. 10 MR. MASON: Mr. Chairman, if we could 11 get a microphone up here for the people that are 12 discussing these various issues so we can all be 13 part of the discussion. I just wondered if it's 14 possible to get -- we're missing all the 15 discussion over here, back here in the back. I 16 know I am. I don't know -- you could place a 17 microphone up there where they could come up to it 18 and speak out, let us know what's going on. Thank 19 you. 20 MR. WAUQUA: Thank you. The next 21 resolution we have on the docket is 78-11, and 22 it's pertaining to our revolving loan program. We 23 have some outstanding loans out there. What this 24 resolution is pertaining to is that we act on 25 recapturing some of this money that is owed to the 40 1 tribe through the courts or whatever we have to 2 do. That's what this resolution is pertaining 3 to. Do I have a motion on the floor to accept 4 this? 5 MR. ESCHITI: I make a motion to 6 accept 78-11. 7 MR. WAUQUA: Do we have a second? 8 MR. KOMACHEET: Second. 9 MR. WAUQUA: We have a motion, we 10 have a second. All those in favor signify by 11 saying "aye". 12 (Aye.) 13 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 14 sign. All those abstain, same sign. 15 MR. STILLWELL: Mr. Chairman, I got a 16 question. 17 MR. WAUQUA: Hold on. Abstain, one. 18 Yes, go ahead. 19 MR. STILLWELL: My name is Brian 20 Stillwell, tribal member. Didn't we sell off all 21 the bills of Citizen Pottawatomie that involved a 22 loan? 23 MR. WAUQUA: Well, we sold the 24 contracts to them to act as a vendor to say that 25 they will run it and collect the bad notes on it, 41 1 is what it is. 2 MR. STILLWELL: So basically the 3 money we handed out to everybody, we pushed it to 4 Citizen Pottawatomie to collect it, right? 5 MR. WAUQUA: Yes, we are paying them 6 a fee to collect that for us. Most of that money 7 is coming back to us, except for the fee that 8 we -- 9 MR. STILLWELL: Is it being collected 10 by them? 11 MR. WAUQUA: Well, that's what we're 12 trying to do right now. That's why we're doing 13 this resolution so we can go ahead and file 14 through the courts and do this. 15 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Is a certain 16 percentage coming out of the contract? 17 MR. WAUQUA: I haven't seen the 18 contract, but there's a certain percentage we pay 19 out monthly or yearly. Revolving loan is what it 20 is. It's just like contracting it out for 21 somebody else to do instead of us. Because you 22 know how when you get into laws and laws and other 23 laws when it's pertaining to tribal members, it 24 kind of gets nasty, especially if they're kin to 25 each other and everything. Then everybody starts 42 1 getting mad at everybody. I know that's probably 2 one of the reasons everybody's coming to me saying 3 why don't we have our own court system. It's 4 really going to be hard, you know, to prosecute 5 somebody you know. I know it wouldn't be easy for 6 them to do it to me, but I just feel that way 7 because there's a lot of families going to be hurt 8 over it and I just hate to see it. It's going to 9 have to come one of these days. I think it's 10 probably something for our tribal members to think 11 about because one of these days we are going to 12 have to have it. 13 MS. ISAAC: Okay. If we're not going 14 to have it soon, then why don't y'all rescind 15 that, whatever motion that was made, not to go to 16 CFR Court? I mean, sometimes we need to go the to 17 CFR Court. They don't want to get involved in 18 your governmental affairs and we need it. So 19 rescind that if you want to rescind something. 20 MR. WAUQUA: We will look at it. We 21 will have to look at putting it together before we 22 rescind anything. It is something we will look 23 at. Because I know we had been visiting in the 24 past few days about some of the issues on our 25 court system and stuff. We just haven't got close 43 1 to it, but we will. 2 Okay. The next resolution we have on 3 the docket is Number 79-11. It is pertaining to 4 hazard mitigation plan. Ours? 5 MR. TIPPECONNIE: It's ours. It's 6 one of the things we have to do to be in 7 compliance. 8 MR. WAUQUA: This is a resolution to 9 adopt the Comanche Nation Hazard Mitigation Plan. 10 We have to have this to submit with the paperwork 11 we have and stuff. So do we have a motion on the 12 floor to accept? 13 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Motion to accept, 14 Chairman. 15 MR. WAUQUA: Second? 16 MR. ESCHITI: Second. 17 MR. WAUQUA: All those in favor 18 signify by saying "aye". 19 (Aye.) 20 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 21 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 22 The next resolution we have is 23 80-11. It's a signature, another signature, I 24 guess. Is this for the banks? 25 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Yes, this is for 44 1 financial institutions. 2 MR. WAUQUA: For our financial. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Excuse me. This 4 one is for the 20 percent. 5 MR. WAUQUA: For the 20 percent trust 6 fund that we have. All it is is changing the CBC 7 that we have on there, because the old ones are 8 gone, so that's all this is. Do I have a motion? 9 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 10 approve. 11 MR. WAUQUA: I have a motion on the 12 floor to accept 80-11. Do I have a second? 13 MS. TERRY: I second. 14 MR. WAUQUA: We have a second. All 15 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 16 (Aye.) 17 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 18 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 19 81-11, Resolution requiring authority 20 to change signatories authority. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: This is another in 22 the back. 23 MR. WAUQUA: It's the signatories to 24 us. The banks are requiring us to change all the 25 signatures on the cards we have. Do I have a 45 1 motion to accept? 2 MR. ESCHITI: I make a motion to 3 accept 81-11. 4 MR. WAUQUA: Do I have a second? 5 MS. TERRY: I second. 6 MR. WAUQUA: There is a second. All 7 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 8 (Aye.) 9 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 10 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 11 Resolution 82-11. This is a 12 resolution to raise the amount for our higher 13 education, college students is what this is. All 14 the tuitions are going up, all the college fees 15 are going up. We haven't raised this or looked at 16 raising college fees for any of our students 17 probably in the last six, seven years. No one 18 brought it to our attention because the fees and 19 everything else, the students are not getting 20 enough money to take care of their books and fees 21 and everything else. So that's why we want 22 propose to do this. This is the resolution we're 23 going to do it by. We're raising it from 2,500 24 now to 3,000, is what it is. We're raising it 25 500. I see no problem with helping the students 46 1 or any other people sitting at the school that 2 will be there. 3 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a motion to 4 approve. 5 MR. WAUQUA: Do I have a second? 6 MR. KOSECHEQUETAH: Second, 7 Chairman. 8 MR. WAUQUA: I have a second. All 9 those in favor signify by saying "aye". 10 (Aye.) 11 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 12 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 13 Okay. We do have a couple of more 14 resolutions that were added that we missed. I'm 15 sorry. The next one is 83-11 pertaining to the 16 banks on a deal for the business committee for a 17 licensing agreement for the City National Bank to 18 use our logo on all the printouts like they sent 19 to you for our elderly payment, envelopes, and 20 stuff like that. All they did was requesting us 21 to put out to use that logo on there, is all it 22 is. It's not that they're going to produce other 23 things and sell it or anything like that. They 24 just have to get it from us because our logo is 25 protected by the law. Nobody could use it for 47 1 other things. That's all they're doing is 2 requesting us to do that. That's what this 3 Resolution 83-11 is pertaining to. 4 MR. TIPPECONNIE: I make a 5 recommendation to approve it. 6 MR. ESCHITI: I second. 7 MR. WAUQUA: There is a motion and a 8 second. All those in favor signify by saying 9 "aye". 10 (Aye.) 11 MR. WAUQUA: All those opposed, same 12 sign. All those abstain, same sign. One abstain. 13 MR. TIPPECONNIE: The next one is 14 JOM. We'll just make it 84-11. This is a JOM and 15 we had it brought forward in the last meeting and 16 we tabled it. So we don't have to approve it. It 17 was tabled. It was never put into action, unless 18 you want to have a motion to say it's dead. 19 MR. WAUQUA: Let's go ahead and look 20 at it. Okay. That's all the resolutions we have 21 for today. We're into our new and old business 22 now. The first person on our -- I don't know if 23 it's new or old. Mr. Thomas Narcomey, is he here? 24 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yes. I wanted to 25 get the status of our Comanche Nation Enterprise. 48 1 They were voted down at the referendum vote. I 2 guess they won't have a budget for the next fiscal 3 year. I'd like to get some kind of report on 4 them. 2008, 9, 2010 and 11, they were budgeted a 5 total of $5.4 million, and right now I think they 6 have about 2.25 million in cash available. I 7 think that's required for that 8(a) program. So 8 there's 3.1 million that's -- I don't know how 9 much they spent of that or how much they got left, 10 but what we have to show for it, and I was at 11 their meeting in February of this year. Well, to 12 be truthful, a lot of blue sky. I've seen that 13 all the time, annual meetings. But I'd like to 14 get some, you know, some real figures and some 15 real information like they got a contract with our 16 joint venture with Todd Construction. And I think 17 that they're projected to get about 800,000 18 profit. Since they don't have a CEO -- I don't 19 know, they might have. I don't know. I know 20 their CEO resigned in January, John Evans. And 21 then Orme, he was their chairman, he resigned. 22 Maybe in February, I'm not sure. And then we 23 haven't had any financial reports to the Comanche 24 people since February '09. February 10th there 25 was an annual report but no financial report. 49 1 February 2011 there was an annual report but no 2 financial report. This is last February. So 3 that's a lot of money to be that secret with no 4 financial report. 5 MR. WAUQUA: We are scheduled to -- 6 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: They did present 7 it on the board for a little while, but then they 8 moved it. I got a picture of it, but it's not 9 clear. 10 MR. WAUQUA: We're scheduled to meet 11 with them sometime next week to go over those 12 figures and to do what we need to do to that, but 13 I know come the last of September, the last day of 14 September, I'm going to request an audit on their 15 program to close it out. But they are supposed to 16 meet with us next week some time. 17 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: Yeah, get the 18 status. They probably still have a lot of money 19 there and I don't know what they're doing. I 20 don't think anybody knows. 21 MR. WAUQUA: Well, I think their 22 plans are is the money they have will carry on and 23 keep the program going. We still want to account 24 for the moneys that they did spend there, is what 25 we want to do. 50 1 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: I don't know why 2 they want to use our janitor service and get 3 military contracts with that, I don't know. 4 Also on their first meeting I told 5 them, I recommended that they do 100 percent 6 Comanche Construction Company. I guess they're a 7 construction company, but it's on paper. I don't 8 think they have a hammer. But here we could have 9 done an 8(a) proposal back in -- whenever their 10 first meeting was. Well, anyway, '08. And if 11 they done a proposal, they could have got about 3 12 or 400,000 to develop a construction company, 100 13 percent Comanche owned. And I told them the next 14 year, and still nothing. I said, well, there's 15 nobody intelligent enough or experienced enough on 16 that enterprise where they could use a consultant 17 to hire a consultant to do a proposal. So three 18 years I've been telling them and still nothing. 19 But that would be a way to use that 8(a) 20 certification, because they're still, you know, 21 Fort Sill construction, other military bases. I 22 think ourselves, we have about -- I forget what it 23 is. 1.8 -- say 1.9 million on capital 24 improvement. Enterprise got voted down so their 25 million dollars goes to capital improvement. So 51 1 there's 2.9, well, say there's $3 million 2 construction money that we had a construction 3 company they could do all that. And I don't know 4 how much of that, maybe 3-and-a-half million. 5 Plus I think the housing authority, they got 6 awarded $2 million for new houses. So we could 7 subcontract out of that, if we had a construction 8 company. These are some recommendations. When 9 I'm talking about proposals, we could also do a 10 home health care. I think you could make a 11 million on that a year, home health care, hospice, 12 MRI, dialysis. But I think that's a way -- and 13 then whatever money they have left we could use it 14 for consulting to do a construction company, 15 develop a proposal. To me, it's got all the 16 ingredients and it will pretty much write itself. 17 We have unemployed Comanches, and I think it would 18 benefit the tribe. That's just what I wanted to 19 say about the enterprise because they're kind of 20 secretive. No financial reports. You've got to 21 have something. If you want a million dollars, 22 you've got to have financial reports. Maybe 23 that's the reason they didn't get the million. 24 MR. WAUQUA: Thank you. 25 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: And then also they 52 1 had Felton Dean's property. I think it was a golf 2 course. It was operating, I think. They had a 3 lot of buildings over there. One of them was a 4 Hallmark building. I've heard that it's no longer 5 there and I don't know where's the buildings and 6 how much did we pay to get it demolished or did it 7 -- or we could have moved the building over here 8 for the maintenance or, you know, what. So we 9 need a full report on that Felton Dean's property, 10 the status of that. 11 MR. WAUQUA: I was going to ask them 12 that anyway. 13 MR. TOM NARCOMEY: These are things 14 that, you know, we're all in the dark or some more 15 secrets. I hate to say, but that's the way it 16 seems. 17 MR. WAUQUA: Okay. Thank you. We 18 will look into that for you and we will get back 19 with you. People sitting here today, if you're 20 here, we will give you the findings on it, but I 21 myself want to know what happened to that building 22 and stuff. I question it. 23 MS. ISAAC: People just think -- I 24 mean, we all know about these things but nobody 25 says anything because we think our leaders are 53 1 taking care of it and it did not start with 2 Michael Burgess. It started further down the 3 line. 4 MR. WAUQUA: I'm not the kind of 5 person to mention things, and I don't wish anybody 6 else would. I think it's fair to one person or 7 the other to take care of our business and be 8 done. We have the next person that would like to 9 speak to the CBC. Mr. Roderick Whitewolf. 10 MR. WHITEWOLF: Thank you, 11 Mr. Chairman, Vice Chair, the rest of the CBC 12 members. Thank you for the time. It's not going 13 to take very long. I want to speak on the per 14 capita payment that we've been hearing about for 15 the past 15 months. We understand and I was an 16 initiator of the 60 percent per cap plan and we 17 haven't heard anything for it since the last 15 18 months. We wanted to help, me and Mr. Nelson, 19 Mr. Wahnee, John David, we put together a little 20 program, take a few minutes here. I think it's 21 important to let us know where we're at, what's 22 happening, what needs to happen. And with that, 23 I'll yield my time on the floor to Mr. Nelson. 24 MR. NELSON: Well, it would be nice 25 if somebody could turn this on. Well, I want to 54 1 thank our elder, Mr. Whitewolf, and our elder, 2 Mr. Wahnee. They asked me to help them on this. 3 It's an honor for elders to be concerned about the 4 tribal government. What this is, what we're going 5 to present, it's going to be short and sweet and I 6 would hope everybody would wait until we're 7 through on questions. I want to congratulate 8 Yonie, Eddie, Mr. Komacheet, Mr. Wauqua on being 9 elected. 10 The reason Mr. Wahnee and 11 Mr. Whitewolf asked me to present to these guys, 12 if you remember two years ago at our general 13 council we voted for Resolution Number 2010-01. 14 40 percent was to go to 60 percent per cap 15 payments, 25 percent of that was for community and 16 education was to go to 20 percent. 10 percent for 17 tribal government goes unchanged, and 25 percent 18 changes to 10 percent for economic development. 19 Gentlemen, I've got to ask you one 20 question, and I would hope you would hold your 21 answer to the end. It's been 15 months since 22 general council order was mandated. If you'll 23 look here, here's April when we ordered it. We 24 ended a fiscal year, we started a fiscal year, we 25 come to one year this past April. It's coming 55 1 right back up to another fiscal year. Right here 2 is a guide to say 15 months. How many more 3 months, how many more months? You know, it was a 4 general council order. There's four questions, 5 four questions, and I hope the audience looks at 6 this as elementary. I hope they look at it as 7 we're not trying to be mean, we're just answers. 8 Four questions. 1, was it a submission or an 9 admission? 2, there's eight questions. 3, the 10 assessment of the nation. Number 4 is most 11 important. What is the time line? You just seen 12 the graph. It showed 15 months. I hope everybody 13 can see this. I hope you can. Submission, if you 14 submit a RAP plan, which we did in 2004 and 2005, 15 there was things that they did not know. Why? 16 Because we never gave money to our people. The 17 thing they know is this: We gave them an 18 admission. Admission more or less that, hey, we 19 really don't want to do it because it's 20 unfinished. 2, there's no clarity. 3, there's 21 innuendo. 4, you have elected people's opinion. 22 5, there's no definite assessment. 7, there's no 23 outline. 8, the awarding Bureau officials that 24 approved the RAP, they're confused. They're 25 totally confused. It comes to the CBC. What is 56 1 the living standards of our people? Do we know? 2 The second question, Chairman Wauqua, 3 the awarding Bureau officials came back and asked 4 these 8 questions. Elementary. An 8th grader at 5 Thomas could answer them. How many number of 6 enrolled Comanche members are there? How many are 7 unemployed? We don't live on a reservation, we 8 live in a jurisdiction. How many are employed in 9 the jurisdiction? I guess number 5 is the loaded 10 question. The amount of revenues generated by 11 each business, and how much is that revenue is 12 available to the nation? Have we done an 13 assessment of government services, water, sewer, 14 housing, law enforcement, fire protection, road 15 maintenance, tribal court? We just talked about 16 it earlier. Social service programs, it goes to 17 the red every year. Every year. Our people are 18 in need. 19 Number 9, whether the level of 20 governmental services is curtailed because of lack 21 of revenue. That is the second question. The 22 third question, I believe a true assessment needs 23 to be done. Why? The first RAP, we didn't have 24 no parameters. We didn't know what we needed. 25 We've had six years now. We should know. We 57 1 should. So answer all questions why. For the 2 integrity of the Comanche people and their voting 3 agreement to even pass this. Integrity of the 4 Comanche people. Knowing this fact, I say, and I 5 hope others believe this that voted on this, it 6 would behoove this business committee and Comanche 7 Nation chairman that this process be done in a 8 professional, analytical format by gathering 9 information in a canvas survey outline. Go to the 10 programs. How many did you serve? How much was 11 your payroll? Go to our people in Cache, Apache, 12 Walter, Cyril, Fletcher. Ask them. Grandma, how 13 many of your kids are employed? How many of your 14 grandkids are employed? How many of them get 15 social service? Did you guys get any light help? 16 You need it. To be factual to our people. Okay. 17 I got to admit this past 2004 RAP was outsourced 18 and it was paid for. It was. The 2004 Revenue 19 Allocation Plan, it has been complicit. It has. 20 And I'm not going to sit here and start a big 21 argument. We don't need to. It's been complicit 22 to it's own wording. It has needed revision 23 because NIGC says if you are 25 percent in 24 arrearage, if you do not have a court, if you've 25 got problems, loans, garnishments, whatever, and 58 1 it doesn't appeal to the old RAP, you got to 2 revise it. That's the law. That's the law. What 3 is the time line? This is the question. 4 Our fiscal year starts October 2011. 5 We have got half of July, August, September 6 Two-and-a-half months. So honestly, if it was 7 approved, you might have a 77 percent chance. 8 Might. Let's go to the second quarter around 9 December. You've got a chance then. Maybe 20 10 percent. How about general council time? You 11 know, people ask you guys at general council, what 12 happened to the RAP? 13 Let's go to fiscal year October 2012, 14 if we're still around. That's a 98 percent 15 chance, maybe a 2 percent. Do we have to wait to 16 2013? That's the four questions. Elder Whitewolf 17 is going to come up, I'm through, and he has 18 something to ask you. I believe he has some 19 handouts I'll hand out. It comes to this debate, 20 and I'll hand these out. 21 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Are those on the 22 handout? 23 MR. NELSON: Yes. We've only got 24 like 25, guys, so I hope you guys share. Look at 25 the numbers. Please, look at the numbers. This 59 1 is what we voted on. Some did, some didn't, some 2 threw it in the trash. 3 MR. WAUQUA: While they're handing 4 those out, a brief comment on what was said here. 5 We as a business committee have been sitting here 6 probably going on three weeks, and we're looking 7 at two weeks' time frame to get that submitted to 8 the BIA. They had written a letter back to us on 9 the findings they needed. It will be submitted 10 back to the BIA probably within a two-week 11 period. The questions he asked and the questions 12 he's talking about, we have worked on it and we're 13 getting it done now in our time frame, and the 14 goal is probably two weeks from this week to get 15 it submitted back to the BIA. I don't know what 16 other questions there is with them or whatever 17 this is for, but we have taken care of our -- we 18 are in the process of taking care of it. 19 MR. NELSON: Well, Mr. Chairman, 20 Mr. Whitewolf, he yielded me the floor. I'm 21 yielding it back. And I guess Mr. Whitewolf, he 22 passed out something to you, so it comes to this. 23 Yeah, you guys can say you did it, but it's been 24 15 months. It hasn't been done. 25 MR. WAUQUA: How long was you 60 1 employed here? 2 MR. NELSON: I wasn't working on no 3 Revenue Allocation Plan. 4 MR. WAUQUA: How long was you 5 employed here, though? 6 MR. NELSON: One year. 7 MR. WAUQUA: I thought it was two. 8 MR. NELSON: I was at home. 9 MR. WAUQUA: Do what? 10 MR. NELSON: I was at home. 11 MR. WAUQUA: Did you get paid while 12 you was at home? 13 MR. NELSON: You know I did. 14 MR. WAUQUA: You should have worked 15 on this. 16 MR. NELSON: Sir, I'm not on the 17 agenda, he's on the agenda. 18 MR. WAUQUA: We just got the letter 19 pertaining to this, like I said, about a week ago, 20 on the findings that we need to submit back to 21 them, and we are in the process of getting those 22 fixed and we are in the process of getting those 23 back to them within two weeks. So as far as I 24 know, that's as far as we are right now. 25 MR. NELSON: Well, this gentleman 61 1 here is on the agenda. I'm off the floor. 2 MR. WHITEWOLF: This is something 3 that we know has get to be done. 4 MR. WAUQUA: That's why we're working 5 on it. 6 MR. WHITEWOLF: We'd like for the CBC 7 to make a motion of what they want to do, because 8 this has got to be done. It's way past. We've 9 got to have it -- if y'all pass it, we've got to 10 have a general council to go over the budget. 11 We've got to do that quick, because you're going 12 to change from 40 to 60 percent. 13 MR. NELSON: Well, Mr. Chairman, 14 Mr. Wahnee is going to state some rebuttal to your 15 facts you just said. 16 MR. WAHNEE: One of the things that 17 we have to understand is that as a Comanche 18 Nation, we have to appropriately plan our 19 operations so it meets the greatest needs of our 20 Comanche people. I heard so many of our people's 21 needs out here this morning. I feel for you, for 22 what you're feeling. Tribal council, it is very 23 important that we get involved in getting this 24 accomplished. I think it -- the Revenue 25 Allocation Plan has to be done because tribal 62 1 council has already said they know exactly how 2 they want this set up, and they passed this. It's 3 already passed. It's an official action. It's a 4 directive to the CBC. 5 What we're proposing is we will take 6 all of the federal regulations and we will be 7 willing to work diligently and put together by 8 going out, visiting, collecting data, information, 9 everything that's required in 25 CFR part 10 14103(c)(2) and make sure that everything in there 11 is 100 percent in compliance. What you've got is 12 you've got an administrative officer, the Bureau 13 of Indian Affairs has to look over and approve of 14 your Revenue Allocation Plan. To be perfectly 15 honest with you, when I spoke to them, they said 16 they're confused. They say on one side we say one 17 thing but on the other side we don't follow 18 through or we make excuses or management of the 19 tribe is not in agreement. But that's not the 20 issue. The statute says that we have to get 21 involved and we have to get this Revenue 22 Allocation Plan done. And it's very important for 23 all our people, every one of our tribal members. 24 So we'll get as much information as we can to help 25 our nation. And not only that, it will help the 63 1 tribal government to stay in compliance pretty 2 much with your constitution. And I know all of 3 you took your oath to swear to standby the 4 constitution and support the requirements of the 5 constitution. So one of the things we want to do, 6 we want to make sure everybody understands that 7 this is law. It's not something that we may do, 8 it's something that we have to do. We want to 9 make sure that we get it done. We really 10 appreciate your time on this. 11 MR. NELSON: Thank you, Mr. Wahnee. 12 2009 fiscal year, Mr. Tippeconnie, you had a 30 13 percent reduction. 2010 fiscal year we had a $809 14 individual per cap. Now we're banking on you guys 15 to submit 8 simple questions. But the bottom 16 line, they're not simple. You haven't done the 17 due diligence, you haven't gone to the 18 community. You can't call a meeting, you go to 19 their house. You got to go there. You've got to 20 ask the question, you've got to be direct. You've 21 got to ask your program. When I was here, all I 22 could see -- and I got a sustainable percentage. 23 Our percentage to our people is 19 to 29 percent. 24 The other was payroll. Is that the service we 25 want for our people? Then you have budget cuts. 64 1 So it comes to this: The NIGC will enforce tribal 2 compliance. They will. If you had a 30 percent 3 cut and you didn't do a revision, they'll take 4 care of you. Thank God nobody blew the whistle on 5 us. You know about this, Mr. Codopony knew about 6 this. But that's gaming. They're making our 7 money. They're making our money. Our 8 responsibility here, we elected you people to take 9 care of that responsibility, not budget cuts. If 10 you do, tell the government why, why did you. 11 This is startling. I really would hope the CBC 12 would look at this. 2005, this is the year we got 13 our per caps. We got 1,036, '06 we got 1,020, 14 2007 we got 1,412, 2008 we got 1,269, 2009, we got 15 1,115, 2010 we got 809. I want to go right to 16 here. Does 2010 tell the NIGC we approved this at 17 general council, 40 percent of that is that 18 amount, 809, minus what we got. Was there 19,787 19 Comanches? No, there wasn't. 20 With that said, Mr. Whitewolf has 21 something he has to ask y'all and I'm through. I 22 think it's the atom bomb. I guess it comes down 23 to this last question, Mr. Chairman. We've spent 24 exactly 15 minutes on this. The last question 25 Mr. Whitewolf's going to ask you, and I think it's 65 1 a guarantee of why it needs to be done 2 independently from you guys, with your help, 3 though. 4 MR. WHITEWOLF: My question is, why 5 does the Revenue Allocation Plan need to be done 6 other than by the business committee? It comes to 7 these three simple questions. How many Comanche 8 people are enrolled as of yesterday? Do y'all 9 know? 10 MR. TIPPECONNIE: We announced that 11 today. 12 MR. TAHSEQUAH: 15,741. 13 MR. WHITEWOLF: How many Comanche 14 members are over the age of 18? 15 MR. REDELK: 10,616. 16 MR. WHITEWOLF: And how many enrolled 17 Comanches are minors? 18 MR. TIPPECONNIE: Well, it would be 19 the 4,000, you know, minus that figure. 20 MR. WHITEWOLF: 4,020 people are 21 kids. This is why somebody other than the 22 business committee needs to do an impartial and 23 thorough Revenue Allocation Plan for all these 24 members that did order it done. Since we told 25 y'all to do it, hasn't been anything done. We 66 1 don't know when y'all are going to do it, when -- 2 we don't even know what your time line is. But 3 it's got to be done now. So I'll leave that up to 4 y'all. 5 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Mr. Whitewolf, Jerry 6 Tahsequah. I'm listening to your presentation and 7 thank you for such a wonderful presentation. My 8 question is, are you wanting to hire an 9 independent contractor to do it immediately, so 10 are we saying to put out a bid for a contractor so 11 to do this, what we have elected our council to do 12 and our lawyers to be responsible for? 13 MR. WHITEWOLF: We need impartial -- 14 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Impartial. Are we 15 talking about contracting? 16 MR. WHITEWOLF: Yes, do it right now. 17 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Somebody to submit a 18 resolution or a contract to do this within a time 19 line beginning when? 20 MR. NELSON: Hopefully they adhere to 21 a procurement policy. We've established one 22 here. Hopefully they still follow it. Hopefully 23 it's a bid process. Hopefully it's Comanches to 24 do it. 25 MR. TAHSEQUAH: We have an elected 67 1 body that right now said they would submit this 2 within two weeks of this time. Mr. Whitewolf, 3 that's my understanding. Is the time lime they 4 have set is two weeks to submit this. 5 MR. WHITEWOLF: They're going to 6 finish it in two weeks? 7 MR. TAHSEQUAH: They said submit. My 8 understanding is submit. Am I correct in my 9 terminology? 10 MR. WHITEWOLF: Johnny, are you 11 saying that? 12 MR. WAUQUA: Yes. 13 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Our committee has 14 said that. Two weeks is the time line. My 15 question is -- 16 MR. WAUQUA: We've already been 17 working on it. 18 MR. TAHSEQUAH: So my question is, 19 Mr. Whitewolf, if we contract someone else out, 20 we're going to have to come up, the Comanche 21 Nation, we're going to pay someone else to come 22 out and do it. Mr. Nelson, do you have an 23 estimate of how much hiring a private contractor 24 would cost right now? 25 MR. NELSON: I can't mention names, I 68 1 can't mention price, but in 2004 I heard 7,000 2 bucks. 3 MR. TAHSEQUAH: To hire a private 4 contractor right now? 5 MR. NELSON: Actually they were 6 Comanches. 7 MR. TAHSEQUAH: So also we'd have to 8 put together persons to serve as advisory 9 committee and others to hire these people or put 10 out for bid. Say if you wanted to -- if they 11 wanted to go out -- 12 MR. NELSON: I hope not. 13 MR. WHITEWOLF: This group would be 14 self-contained. 15 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Mine is to go along 16 with our tribe and give them the two weeks they 17 have from today's date and come back with saying, 18 yes, they have a proposal. 19 MR. NELSON: Are you going to trust 20 guys that get a $250 stipend to go out and do a 21 great analytical survey to get this done right? 22 MR. TAHSEQUAH: Well, I'm going to 23 trust someone to go out that I have no say on that 24 I want to send them out? 25 MR. NELSON: Wallace Coffey did, and 69 1 you're getting a per cap every year because of 2 that. 3 MR. TAHSEQUAH: That's true, we are 4 getting a per cap every year. Thank you. 5 MR. MASON: As I'm following along 6 here, I'm quite surprised at the ineffectiveness 7 of progress on this particular mandate that came 8 from general council, and something blares out. I 9 hate to say this because it's going to sound 10 critical, but I guess this is the time to 11 criticize and let everybody know. 12 MR. WHITEWOLF: Well, if it is 13 constructive, then we can take it. 14 MR. MASON: I'm not talking about the 15 presentation. You're shining a light in a very 16 dark area that we all appreciate here, I know I 17 do. But here's what I was going to say. Has our 18 committee been incapable of following through with 19 that mandate that came from the general council? 20 That's what it appears to be like, to me. 21 MR. REDELK: 15 months. 22 MR. MASON: That's a long, long time. 23 Okay. The next thing this gentleman 24 over here says, okay, maybe we need to farm that 25 out. If you farm it out in a contract -- 70 1 MR. TAHSEQUAH: No, what they're 2 saying is we are going to have to have somebody 3 contract this out and Mr. Whitewolf agrees. Now, 4 this is my belief and I hope it's your belief. 5 MR. MASON: That is not to be 6 discussed anymore, that is a mandate. Mandate 7 means you will try your very best to get this 8 done. And if obstacles pop up that are 9 unsurmountable, the very least the elected 10 leadership can do is to say, hey, we went along 11 here, we cannot meet the regulation or anything 12 else that may present itself in an obstacle. But 13 then you won't have this just put on the 14 back burner and appear to people like, hey, we're 15 not even concerned with it. We'll just keep it 16 back there and never answer it. But fortunately, 17 there's people who are interested in the per cap 18 and wonder why the elected leadership isn't 19 reacting to the mandate that come off of the 20 general council floor. 21 MR. WAUQUA: Let me answer that 22 question for you. There has been a letter and has 23 been sent to the BIA in the past. And what they 24 did was send us a letter back, correspondence back 25 stating there was other findings that we needed to 71 1 get. It is in the process. 2 MR. MASON: And therein lies one of 3 the obstacles. We're not following through from 4 what they told the committee, and they're seeing 5 it as confusion, if I understand the presentation 6 properly. 7 MR. WAUQUA: It has been submitted. 8 We are finding the findings for them and 9 resubmitting it. 10 MR. WHITEWOLF: Mr. Chairman, are you 11 talking about the letter where they shipped the 12 resolution and a copy of the old RAP plan? Is 13 that the letter you're talking about? 14 MR. WAUQUA: I don't know which 15 letter you're talking about. The letter they sent 16 us was pertaining to what else we needed to submit 17 for the -- for it to go through, is what it was. 18 MR. WHITEWOLF: The first part of 19 this year, right? 20 MR. WAUQUA: I don't know what date 21 was on it, because I wasn't here the first part of 22 the year. A lot of us committee haven't been 23 here. 24 MR. WHITEWOLF: That's the letter 25 that depressed us, because we knew nothing had 72 1 been done. 2 MS. ISAAC: Well, there's three 3 people still on the committee that have been here, 4 and that should have picked it up. Everybody 5 wants this. 6 MR. WAUQUA: We have. We have picked 7 it, and that's why we're working on getting it 8 done. I have visited with our Secretary/Treasurer 9 and that was one of the issues, asking first thing 10 I come in here and he come to me and he said, you 11 know, we're going to have to work on this. I said 12 yes. So we have been working on it and we are 13 getting ready to, like I had said, submit it back 14 again on the findings they wanted. Because it has 15 been submitted before. 16 MR. WHITEWOLF: Mr. Chairman, make 17 this a constructive comment. No mean spirit in 18 there. But Mr. Tippeconnie has changed the budget 19 three times without anybody's -- 20 MR. WAUQUA: That's got nothing to do 21 with that. 22 MR. WHITEWOLF: What I'm saying is 23 how can we trust him? 24 MR. ESCHITI: I'd like to say 25 something. I've been listening here. It's really 73 1 unfair, and I mean, that's fine, you've got that 2 right, you've got the floor, you can say whatever 3 you want. But us as new committee just coming on, 4 especially Mr. Wauqua just come on in the last 5 couple of weeks, the things that y'all are talking 6 about here today, we've been working on. And this 7 RAP has been one of the top issues that we've been 8 really pressing to try to get this information 9 done. As a matter of fact, Mr. Tippeconnie's the 10 one that brought it up for us, that we need to get 11 it done. You know, give us a little time. I 12 mean, you said they've had 15 months. Give us a 13 little more than a couple of months to work on 14 this and get that information back to them. You 15 know, it's really unfair, but, you know, I'll take 16 that part of the heat. But give us new people a 17 little bit of time, and I'll bet you we'll take 18 care of it. 19 MR. WHITEWOLF: Well, we don't mean 20 to be unfair. We just wanted to know when it's 21 going to be done. 22 MR. ESCHITI: I think the chairman 23 just told you that. 24 MR. WHITEWOLF: Two weeks. We'll see 25 a copy of it in two weeks? 74 1 MR. ESCHITI: We're going to be 2 working on it. You asked us and that's what we're 3 telling you, sir. All the questions you have 4 asked today is pretty much everything we've been 5 working on. We've come in during the middle of 6 the week and prior to the CBC meetings to be more 7 on what we're talking about and things that's 8 going in the tribe. We're coming in on our own 9 time, but we want to. I mean, we were elected to 10 these positions to help you guys out there, our 11 Comanche people. Give us that opportunity to do 12 what we said we're going to do. 13 MS. ISAAC: Tell us what you're doing 14 and we won't have so many questions. 15 MR. ESCHITI: We're letting you know, 16 ma'am. 17 MR. TAHSEQUAH: I want to say one 18 more thing. Last year at this time I asked the 19 same question after we were going to the 60/40. 20 We voted on it, and I asked Mr. Tippeconnie, how 21 long do you or the council would you say that we 22 could go over to the 60/40, because it has to go 23 through the BIA, Department of the Interior, to 24 the Secretary of State. And I think at the time 25 if we go back to the records and you can go 75 1 on-line and find out that that meeting, this 2 process can take anywhere from a year to two years 3 for us to see if we can go to 60/40 because we're 4 a high risk tribe. Give them time. Give our 5 council time. Thank you. That's all I'm going to 6 say. 7 MR. REDELK: Mr. Chairman, there was 8 a reference made to a letter that was submitted, 9 and I have a copy of that letter. It was November 10 1, 2010. This was to the regional director. I 11 think the other members have a copy, also. And 12 the timeline for the BIA, the eight questions 13 that's been mentioned, March 2011 was the response 14 to that letter. 15 I will say one thing. Being on the 16 previous CBC and serving with these incoming CBC 17 members for a very short time, the operative word 18 that I hear from this group is we. It was not 19 there this previous 12 months. That's all I have 20 to say. 21 MR. ESCHITI: Thank you. 22 MR. WAUQUA: I make a motion at this 23 time we go into executive session to take care of 24 other business. 25 MR. ESCHITI: I second. 76 1 MR. WAUQUA: We have a second. So 2 we'll take a five minute break and then we're 3 going into executive session. 4 (Executive session commenced at 5 11:39 p.m.) 6 7 8 * * * * * * 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 77 1 R E P O R T E R 'S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 STATE OF OKLAHOMA ) ) 4 COUNTY OF OKLAHOMA ) 5 I, Kelly Stoabs, Certified Shorthand 6 Reporter for the State of Oklahoma, certify that 7 the above and foregoing meeting transcribed by me 8 is a true and correct transcript of the meeting; 9 that the meeting was held on July 9, 2011, in the 10 State of Oklahoma; that I am not an attorney for 11 nor a relative of any said parties, or otherwise 12 interested in the event of said action. 13 IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set 14 my hand and seal office on this the 9th day of 15 July, 2011. 16 17 18 __________________________ 19 Kelly Stoabs Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 for the State of Oklahoma 21 22 23 24 25 78 1 S E C R E T A R Y ' S C E R T I F I C A T E 2 3 I, Robert Tippeconnie, Secretary- 4 Treasurer of Comanche Nation Business Committee, 5 certify that the above is a true and correct 6 transcript of a meeting of CBC Members held at 7 10:00 a.m. on July 9, 2011, and that the meeting 8 was duly called and held in all respects in 9 accordance with the charters and bylaws of the 10 Comanche Nation and that a quorum was present. 11 I further certify that the votes and 12 resolutions of the CBC Members of Comanche Nation 13 at the meeting are operative and in full force and 14 effect and have not been annulled or modified by 15 any vote or resolution passed or adopted by the 16 CBC since that meeting. 17 18 19 Signed:_________________________ Date:____________ Robert Tippeconnie 20 Secretary-Treasurer 21 22 23 24 25